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Has the issue of the lettuce being in sealed plastic

ever been addressed? I don't recall seeing anything

but my thought is that the packaging has something to

do with it if the outbreaks are traced to packaged

lettuce or spinach. We all know plastic containers

have all kinds of toxins, pcb's, etc. so would plastic

bags sealed with live veggies in them be any

different?

Just wondered what everyone thought about it.

 

Cheryl

 

--- jandor9 <jandor9 wrote:

 

> The FDA issued these warnings last September about

> bagged salads too.

> Unfortunately, they don't think that washing your

> greens will make

> them safe. The salads and spinach are already washed

> several times

> during processing. The FDA is concerned the plants

> are picking up the

> E.Coli from contaminated ground water, binding the

> bacteria to the

> plants cells. Unless we cook the greens completely,

> there is still a

> risk of E.coli...

>

> Janis

>

> , Mike

> Christie <mike

> wrote:

> >

> > Not just spinach but lettuce. From the San Jose

> Mercury News on

> Tuesday:

> >

> > Federal and state officials have launched a

> wide-ranging evaluation

> > of lettuce farming and processing in the Salinas

> Valley, hoping to

> > determine why leafy green vegetables grown over

> the past decade

> have

> > been linked to a potentially deadly strain of E.

> coli.

> >

> > Lettuce and spinach grown in the valley, dubbed

> the " Salad Bowl of

> > the World,'' have been connected to eight of 19

> outbreaks of

> > Escherichia coli O157:H7, associated with such

> produce since 1995.

> >

> > The whole article is at:

> >

>

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/health/15498285.htm

> >

> > (but I believe (free) membership is required to

> see it)

> >

> > At 06:15 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > >There have been e-coli outbreaks tracked to

> bagged spinach. Be

> > >cautious. In fact I just got this Fox news break

> by e-mail -

> > >

> > >FDA URGES CONSUMERS TO AVOID BAGGED FRESH SPINACH

> AFTER E. COLI

> > >OUTBREAK LEAVES ONE DEAD, 50 MORE SICK IN EIGHT

> STATES

> > >

> > >Debbie

> >

>

 

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I use plastic.

I don't buy bagged salads only because I like to buy my own types of lettuce

and make my own mix. The green onion e.coli didn't come from plastic.

Donna

 

 

 

Coming into Los Angeles, bringing in a couple of keys.

Don't touch my bags, if you please Mr. Customs man.

Source: Arlo Guthrie, Coming Into Los Angeles

 

 

 

Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail.

 

 

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I read some info here:

http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/salad.asp

 

So, to my understanding, it has only been the *bagged* produce that has been

a problem! So how come the unbagged (loose in produce section) is not

having any issues? *This* has me confused! What is it about the bags? :(

 

 

 

 

On 9/15/06, jandor9 <jandor9 wrote:

>

> The E coli, Hepatitis A, whatever is already ON the produce or IN the

> produce BEFORE it ever gets near plastic bags, wrap, whatever. Even if

> you put them in a sealed glass jar the produce would still be

> contaminated. It's not the fact that it's in sealed plastic either. If

> bagged produce is kept properly in a refrigerated enviroment,it

> actually retards spoilage and bacterial growth. That's why those bags

> of cut washed greens are, unopened, good for at least a week if kept

> cold. Throw a couple of lettuce leaves on a shelf of your fridge for a

> couple of days. I don't think you would eat them. Bacteria and viruses

> need warmth and moisture to thrive. Like inside our bodies.

>

>

>

 

 

 

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In a message dated 9/16/06 7:46:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jandor9 writes:

 

> Until they figure out where the contamination is coming from I think

> I'll be steering clear of the bagged stuff.

 

I have yet to understand why it's predominately the bagged produce that seems

to cause the most problems. Isn't all produce washed prior to shipping? And

if something is grown in contaminated soil, makes no difference if it's

bagged or unbagged. I think if we knew the half of it we'd all stop eating.

 

Every industry is looking to cut costs but when it comes down to the health

and safety of the consumer this comes across as shoddy business. Someone may

well cut their costs, but in the long run they ultimately lose when they're

fined and/or shut down. You can fool some of the people all of the time and all

of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of

the time. Sooner or later the chickens come home to roost.

 

TM

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 9/16/06 9:23:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jandor9 writes:

 

> EXCUSE ME..This is a VEGETARIAN GROUP!!..NO CHICKENS ALLOWED!!!Ha Ha!

 

Don't think I didn't think about that before I typed it. LOL

>

>

> They are gambling on us good citizens having a short memory, which we

> do. We'll be eatting bagged salad and spinach in a couple of months

> without a care in the world.

>

 

Well, I'll tell ya....as one who is a fan of bagged lettuce/spinach because

of the convenience I think this latest incident has clinched it for me. I'll

take the few extra minutes and prep it myself in hopes of cutting my risks. I

didn't come this far to be felled by a bag of produce. LOL

 

TM

 

 

 

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On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9 wrote:

>

> <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli contamination except

> grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird and rabbit

> poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. It's all

> over the place.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes.

 

I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it is everywhere.

And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which helps it to

multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but can fend off

low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we encounter mass

quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from being in bags in

addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and thus become

sick.

 

 

 

No more bags for me.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 9/17/06 12:36:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jtwigg writes:

 

> Well you know, if I put fresh bunches of lettuce in my produce drawers of

> my refrigerator, without putting it into a plastic bag, it wilts the same day.

> I put it in those bags on rolls in the produce sections.

> Judy

>

 

Several years ago I recall someone making bags with tiny holes in them for

storing produce...allowed the veggies to breathe and cut down on accumlated

moisture. As I remember it, they worked pretty well. I wonder if they still

make

them. I guess you could probably do it yourself with an ordinary plastic

bag.

 

TM

 

 

 

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Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated and the

bagged greens are left out over night!!

 

Marilyn Daub

mcdaub

Vanceburg, KY

My Cats Knead Me!!

-

jandor9

Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM

Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach

 

 

Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm enviroment.

Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels until they

get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad left out

of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They have cases

documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped spinach. It

seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload that got

very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have wilted

spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were from

the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed up and

the distance between them-thinking of transporting the greens. This

is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach either

growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed with

contaminated water during processing in order to have that much

E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your friend

tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why all

those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over.

 

COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>)

Janis

 

, " Thia .... " <bipolyf

wrote:

>

> On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9 wrote:

> >

> > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli contamination

except

> > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird and

rabbit

> > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. It's all

> > over the place.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Yes.

>

> I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it is

everywhere.

> And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which

helps it to

> multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but can

fend off

> low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we

encounter mass

> quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from being in

bags in

> addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and thus

become

> sick.

>

>

>

> No more bags for me.

>

>

>

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You are lucky!!

 

Marilyn Daub

mcdaub

Vanceburg, KY

My Cats Knead Me!!

-

jandor9

Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:38 AM

Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach

 

 

Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and all the

bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are in

open chill cases with cold water sprayers too.

 

Janis

 

, " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub

wrote:

>

> Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated and

the

> bagged greens are left out over night!!

>

> Marilyn Daub

> mcdaub

> Vanceburg, KY

> My Cats Knead Me!!

> -

> jandor9

>

> Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM

> Re: Plastic packaging and Caution

with spinach

>

>

> Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm

enviroment.

> Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels until

they

> get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad left

out

> of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They have

cases

> documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped spinach.

It

> seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload that

got

> very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have wilted

> spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were from

> the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed up

and

> the distance between them-thinking of transporting the greens.

This

> is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach

either

> growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed with

> contaminated water during processing in order to have that much

> E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your

friend

> tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why all

> those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over.

>

> COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>)

> Janis

>

> , " Thia .... " <bipolyf@>

> wrote:

> >

> > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote:

> > >

> > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli contamination

> except

> > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird and

> rabbit

> > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. It's

all

> > > over the place.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it is

> everywhere.

> > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which

> helps it to

> > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but can

> fend off

> > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we

> encounter mass

> > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from being

in

> bags in

> > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and thus

> become

> > sick.

> >

> >

> >

> > No more bags for me.

> >

> >

> >

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They say they are working on that, but the produce is all out in " warm "

cases and no refrigeration yet. This is why I travel 30 to 40 miles to buy

my produce where they have it refrigerated and watered!!

 

Marilyn Daub

mcdaub

Vanceburg, KY

My Cats Knead Me!!

-

genny_y2k

Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:47 AM

Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach

 

 

-Same here Janis, All the veggie cases are chilled and the little

song " singing in the rain " plays while the fresh veggies are sprayed

with cold water. Of course potatoes, onions, etc. are not in chill

cases and should not be. The packaged veggie mixes,herbs,fresh cut

fruits, and some salad dressings, are also in chilled cases. I think

I would talk to the store managers if they do not keep perishable

leafy veggies in chill cases.

Deanna - In , " jandor9 " <jandor9

wrote:

>

> Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and all

the

> bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are in

> open chill cases with cold water sprayers too.

>

> Janis

>

> , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated

and

> the

> > bagged greens are left out over night!!

> >

> > Marilyn Daub

> > mcdaub@

> > Vanceburg, KY

> > My Cats Knead Me!!

> > -

> > jandor9

> >

> > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM

> > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution

> with spinach

> >

> >

> > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm

> enviroment.

> > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels until

> they

> > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad left

> out

> > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They have

> cases

> > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped

spinach.

> It

> > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload

that

> got

> > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have wilted

> > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were

from

> > the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed up

> and

> > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the greens.

> This

> > is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach

> either

> > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed

with

> > contaminated water during processing in order to have that much

> > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your

> friend

> > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why

all

> > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over.

> >

> > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>)

> > Janis

> >

> > , " Thia .... " <bipolyf@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli

contamination

> > except

> > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird

and

> > rabbit

> > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it.

It's

> all

> > > > over the place.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > >

> > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it

is

> > everywhere.

> > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which

> > helps it to

> > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but

can

> > fend off

> > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we

> > encounter mass

> > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from

being

> in

> > bags in

> > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and

thus

> > become

> > > sick.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > No more bags for me.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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lol Ours sounds like you are walking thru a rain forest, when they start up.

Chilled cases are the norm here for bagged veggie products. They carry the tofu

in water, refrigerated salad dressings, veggie cheese,fresh squeezed juices and

Nayoise in those also at our stores.

Judy

Judy

-

jandor9

Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:49 AM

Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach

 

 

I think those sprayers have motion sensors in them! Ha Ha Ha!!!

 

, " genny_y2k " <genny_y2k

wrote:

>

> -Same here Janis, All the veggie cases are chilled and the little

> song " singing in the rain " plays while the fresh veggies are

sprayed

> with cold water. Of course potatoes, onions, etc. are not in chill

> cases and should not be. The packaged veggie mixes,herbs,fresh cut

> fruits, and some salad dressings, are also in chilled cases. I

think

> I would talk to the store managers if they do not keep perishable

> leafy veggies in chill cases.

> Deanna - In , " jandor9 " <jandor9@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and all

> the

> > bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are

in

> > open chill cases with cold water sprayers too.

> >

> > Janis

> >

> > , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated

> and

> > the

> > > bagged greens are left out over night!!

> > >

> > > Marilyn Daub

> > > mcdaub@

> > > Vanceburg, KY

> > > My Cats Knead Me!!

> > > -

> > > jandor9

> > >

> > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM

> > > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution

> > with spinach

> > >

> > >

> > > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm

> > enviroment.

> > > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels

until

> > they

> > > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad

left

> > out

> > > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They

have

> > cases

> > > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped

> spinach.

> > It

> > > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload

> that

> > got

> > > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have

wilted

> > > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were

> from

> > > the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed

up

> > and

> > > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the

greens.

> > This

> > > is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach

> > either

> > > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed

> with

> > > contaminated water during processing in order to have that

much

> > > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your

> > friend

> > > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why

> all

> > > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over.

> > >

> > > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>)

> > > Janis

> > >

> > > , " Thia .... "

<bipolyf@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli

> contamination

> > > except

> > > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses.

Bird

> and

> > > rabbit

> > > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it.

> It's

> > all

> > > > > over the place.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes.

> > > >

> > > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed,

it

> is

> > > everywhere.

> > > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist,

which

> > > helps it to

> > > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday,

but

> can

> > > fend off

> > > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we

> > > encounter mass

> > > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from

> being

> > in

> > > bags in

> > > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and

> thus

> > > become

> > > > sick.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > No more bags for me.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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I am moving there, Judy!!! giggle!!

 

Marilyn Daub

mcdaub

Vanceburg, KY

My Cats Knead Me!!

-

wwjd

Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:56 AM

Re: Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with

spinach

 

 

lol Ours sounds like you are walking thru a rain forest, when they start

up. Chilled cases are the norm here for bagged veggie products. They

carry the tofu in water, refrigerated salad dressings, veggie cheese,fresh

squeezed juices and Nayoise in those also at our stores.

Judy

Judy

-

jandor9

Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:49 AM

Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with

spinach

 

 

I think those sprayers have motion sensors in them! Ha Ha Ha!!!

 

, " genny_y2k " <genny_y2k

wrote:

>

> -Same here Janis, All the veggie cases are chilled and the little

> song " singing in the rain " plays while the fresh veggies are

sprayed

> with cold water. Of course potatoes, onions, etc. are not in chill

> cases and should not be. The packaged veggie mixes,herbs,fresh cut

> fruits, and some salad dressings, are also in chilled cases. I

think

> I would talk to the store managers if they do not keep perishable

> leafy veggies in chill cases.

> Deanna - In , " jandor9 " <jandor9@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and all

> the

> > bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are

in

> > open chill cases with cold water sprayers too.

> >

> > Janis

> >

> > , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated

> and

> > the

> > > bagged greens are left out over night!!

> > >

> > > Marilyn Daub

> > > mcdaub@

> > > Vanceburg, KY

> > > My Cats Knead Me!!

> > > -

> > > jandor9

> > >

> > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM

> > > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution

> > with spinach

> > >

> > >

> > > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm

> > enviroment.

> > > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels

until

> > they

> > > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad

left

> > out

> > > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They

have

> > cases

> > > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped

> spinach.

> > It

> > > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload

> that

> > got

> > > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have

wilted

> > > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were

> from

> > > the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed

up

> > and

> > > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the

greens.

> > This

> > > is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach

> > either

> > > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed

> with

> > > contaminated water during processing in order to have that

much

> > > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your

> > friend

> > > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why

> all

> > > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over.

> > >

> > > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>)

> > > Janis

> > >

> > > , " Thia .... "

<bipolyf@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli

> contamination

> > > except

> > > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses.

Bird

> and

> > > rabbit

> > > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it.

> It's

> > all

> > > > > over the place.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes.

> > > >

> > > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed,

it

> is

> > > everywhere.

> > > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist,

which

> > > helps it to

> > > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday,

but

> can

> > > fend off

> > > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we

> > > encounter mass

> > > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from

> being

> > in

> > > bags in

> > > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and

> thus

> > > become

> > > > sick.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > No more bags for me.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Well, I am not going to support a local grocery with produce in that

condition!!! I have to drive to the places that keep produce correctly!!

The produce here in town is wilted a few hours after it is put out. So are

the cut fruit. Not me!!

 

Marilyn Daub

mcdaub

Vanceburg, KY

My Cats Knead Me!!

-

jandor9

Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:00 PM

Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach

 

 

" Working on it " ?? Betch they are gonna work a little harder after

this. Especially since anyone who has a TV, radio, computer or the

newspaper is NOT going to buy thier warm little produce! Glad to hear

you are going elsewhere for food.

 

Janis

 

, " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub

wrote:

>

> They say they are working on that, but the produce is all out

in " warm "

> cases and no refrigeration yet. This is why I travel 30 to 40

miles to buy

> my produce where they have it refrigerated and watered!!

>

> Marilyn Daub

> mcdaub

> Vanceburg, KY

> My Cats Knead Me!!

> -

> genny_y2k

>

> Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:47 AM

> Re: Plastic packaging and Caution

with spinach

>

>

> -Same here Janis, All the veggie cases are chilled and the little

> song " singing in the rain " plays while the fresh veggies are

sprayed

> with cold water. Of course potatoes, onions, etc. are not in chill

> cases and should not be. The packaged veggie mixes,herbs,fresh cut

> fruits, and some salad dressings, are also in chilled cases. I

think

> I would talk to the store managers if they do not keep perishable

> leafy veggies in chill cases.

> Deanna - In , " jandor9 " <jandor9@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and

all

> the

> > bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are

in

> > open chill cases with cold water sprayers too.

> >

> > Janis

> >

> > , " Marilyn Daub "

<mcdaub@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not

refrigerated

> and

> > the

> > > bagged greens are left out over night!!

> > >

> > > Marilyn Daub

> > > mcdaub@

> > > Vanceburg, KY

> > > My Cats Knead Me!!

> > > -

> > > jandor9

> > >

> > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM

> > > Re: Plastic packaging and

Caution

> > with spinach

> > >

> > >

> > > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm

> > enviroment.

> > > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels

until

> > they

> > > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad

left

> > out

> > > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They

have

> > cases

> > > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped

> spinach.

> > It

> > > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload

> that

> > got

> > > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have

wilted

> > > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York

were

> from

> > > the same date code too because of the dates the cases

showed up

> > and

> > > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the

greens.

> > This

> > > is why they are working with the possibilities of the

spinach

> > either

> > > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being

sprayed

> with

> > > contaminated water during processing in order to have that

much

> > > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did

your

> > friend

> > > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's

why

> all

> > > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over.

> > >

> > > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>)

> > > Janis

> > >

> > > , " Thia .... "

<bipolyf@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli

> contamination

> > > except

> > > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses.

Bird

> and

> > > rabbit

> > > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it.

> It's

> > all

> > > > > over the place.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes.

> > > >

> > > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed,

it

> is

> > > everywhere.

> > > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist,

which

> > > helps it to

> > > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday,

but

> can

> > > fend off

> > > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when

we

> > > encounter mass

> > > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from

> being

> > in

> > > bags in

> > > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time,

and

> thus

> > > become

> > > > sick.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > No more bags for me.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Well you know, if I put fresh bunches of lettuce in my produce drawers of my

refrigerator, without putting it into a plastic bag, it wilts the same day. I

put it in those bags on rolls in the produce sections.

Judy

-

jandor9

 

 

" The produce here in town is wilted a few hours after it is put out. "

 

Exactly. And the bagged stuff probably looks worse if left out since

it's in it's own little terrarium. I hope they find out what the

source is this time. They never did find out what the source was with

the salad E.coli outbreak last year.

 

Janis

 

---

.

 

 

 

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Maybe they need to look at how it is handled in some of the grocery stores

and the delivery in the hot trucks??

 

Marilyn Daub

mcdaub

Vanceburg, KY

My Cats Knead Me!!

-

jandor9

Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:29 PM

Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach

 

 

" The produce here in town is wilted a few hours after it is put out. "

 

Exactly. And the bagged stuff probably looks worse if left out since

it's in it's own little terrarium. I hope they find out what the

source is this time. They never did find out what the source was with

the salad E.coli outbreak last year.

 

Janis

 

 

 

, " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub

wrote:

>

> Well, I am not going to support a local grocery with produce in

that

> condition!!! I have to drive to the places that keep produce

correctly!!

> The produce here in town is wilted a few hours after it is put

out. So are

> the cut fruit. Not me!!

>

> Marilyn Daub

> mcdaub

> Vanceburg, KY

> My Cats Knead Me!!

> -

> jandor9

>

> Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:00 PM

> Re: Plastic packaging and Caution

with spinach

>

>

> " Working on it " ?? Betch they are gonna work a little harder after

> this. Especially since anyone who has a TV, radio, computer or the

> newspaper is NOT going to buy thier warm little produce! Glad to

hear

> you are going elsewhere for food.

>

> Janis

>

> , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub@>

> wrote:

> >

> > They say they are working on that, but the produce is all out

> in " warm "

> > cases and no refrigeration yet. This is why I travel 30 to 40

> miles to buy

> > my produce where they have it refrigerated and watered!!

> >

> > Marilyn Daub

> > mcdaub@

> > Vanceburg, KY

> > My Cats Knead Me!!

> > -

> > genny_y2k

> >

> > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:47 AM

> > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution

> with spinach

> >

> >

> > -Same here Janis, All the veggie cases are chilled and the

little

> > song " singing in the rain " plays while the fresh veggies are

> sprayed

> > with cold water. Of course potatoes, onions, etc. are not in

chill

> > cases and should not be. The packaged veggie

mixes,herbs,fresh cut

> > fruits, and some salad dressings, are also in chilled cases. I

> think

> > I would talk to the store managers if they do not keep

perishable

> > leafy veggies in chill cases.

> > Deanna - In , " jandor9 "

<jandor9@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite

and

> all

> > the

> > > bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens

are

> in

> > > open chill cases with cold water sprayers too.

> > >

> > > Janis

> > >

> > > , " Marilyn Daub "

> <mcdaub@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not

> refrigerated

> > and

> > > the

> > > > bagged greens are left out over night!!

> > > >

> > > > Marilyn Daub

> > > > mcdaub@

> > > > Vanceburg, KY

> > > > My Cats Knead Me!!

> > > > -

> > > > jandor9

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM

> > > > Re: Plastic packaging and

> Caution

> > > with spinach

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm

> > > enviroment.

> > > > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels

> until

> > > they

> > > > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a

salad

> left

> > > out

> > > > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted.

They

> have

> > > cases

> > > > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped

> > spinach.

> > > It

> > > > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one

truckload

> > that

> > > got

> > > > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would

have

> wilted

> > > > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York

> were

> > from

> > > > the same date code too because of the dates the cases

> showed up

> > > and

> > > > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the

> greens.

> > > This

> > > > is why they are working with the possibilities of the

> spinach

> > > either

> > > > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being

> sprayed

> > with

> > > > contaminated water during processing in order to have

that

> much

> > > > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did

> your

> > > friend

> > > > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems?

That's

> why

> > all

> > > > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over.

> > > >

> > > > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>)

> > > > Janis

> > > >

> > > > , " Thia .... "

> <bipolyf@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli

> > contamination

> > > > except

> > > > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile

greenhouses.

> Bird

> > and

> > > > rabbit

> > > > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli

in it.

> > It's

> > > all

> > > > > > over the place.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes.

> > > > >

> > > > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that

indeed,

> it

> > is

> > > > everywhere.

> > > > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and

moist,

> which

> > > > helps it to

> > > > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus

everyday,

> but

> > can

> > > > fend off

> > > > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But

when

> we

> > > > encounter mass

> > > > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth

from

> > being

> > > in

> > > > bags in

> > > > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder

time,

> and

> > thus

> > > > become

> > > > > sick.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > No more bags for me.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Yes that is what I was saying. LOL

Judy

-

jandor9

Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:16 PM

Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach

 

 

If it's NOT in a bag and in a fridge, it gets dehydrated and wilts.

In the bag and COLD it stays fresher, longer.

, " wwjd " <jtwigg wrote:

>

> Well you know, if I put fresh bunches of lettuce in my produce

drawers of my refrigerator, without putting it into a plastic bag, it

wilts the same day. I put it in those bags on rolls in the produce

sections.

> Judy

> -

> jandor9

>

>

> " The produce here in town is wilted a few hours after it is put

out. "

>

> Exactly. And the bagged stuff probably looks worse if left out

since

> it's in it's own little terrarium. I hope they find out what the

> source is this time. They never did find out what the source was

with

> the salad E.coli outbreak last year.

>

> Janis

>

> ---

> .

>

>

>

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