Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Has the issue of the lettuce being in sealed plastic ever been addressed? I don't recall seeing anything but my thought is that the packaging has something to do with it if the outbreaks are traced to packaged lettuce or spinach. We all know plastic containers have all kinds of toxins, pcb's, etc. so would plastic bags sealed with live veggies in them be any different? Just wondered what everyone thought about it. Cheryl --- jandor9 <jandor9 wrote: > The FDA issued these warnings last September about > bagged salads too. > Unfortunately, they don't think that washing your > greens will make > them safe. The salads and spinach are already washed > several times > during processing. The FDA is concerned the plants > are picking up the > E.Coli from contaminated ground water, binding the > bacteria to the > plants cells. Unless we cook the greens completely, > there is still a > risk of E.coli... > > Janis > > , Mike > Christie <mike > wrote: > > > > Not just spinach but lettuce. From the San Jose > Mercury News on > Tuesday: > > > > Federal and state officials have launched a > wide-ranging evaluation > > of lettuce farming and processing in the Salinas > Valley, hoping to > > determine why leafy green vegetables grown over > the past decade > have > > been linked to a potentially deadly strain of E. > coli. > > > > Lettuce and spinach grown in the valley, dubbed > the " Salad Bowl of > > the World,'' have been connected to eight of 19 > outbreaks of > > Escherichia coli O157:H7, associated with such > produce since 1995. > > > > The whole article is at: > > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/health/15498285.htm > > > > (but I believe (free) membership is required to > see it) > > > > At 06:15 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote: > > > > >There have been e-coli outbreaks tracked to > bagged spinach. Be > > >cautious. In fact I just got this Fox news break > by e-mail - > > > > > >FDA URGES CONSUMERS TO AVOID BAGGED FRESH SPINACH > AFTER E. COLI > > >OUTBREAK LEAVES ONE DEAD, 50 MORE SICK IN EIGHT > STATES > > > > > >Debbie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 I use plastic. I don't buy bagged salads only because I like to buy my own types of lettuce and make my own mix. The green onion e.coli didn't come from plastic. Donna Coming into Los Angeles, bringing in a couple of keys. Don't touch my bags, if you please Mr. Customs man. Source: Arlo Guthrie, Coming Into Los Angeles Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 But bacteria grows inside sealed containers, espec. plastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 I read some info here: http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/salad.asp So, to my understanding, it has only been the *bagged* produce that has been a problem! So how come the unbagged (loose in produce section) is not having any issues? *This* has me confused! What is it about the bags? On 9/15/06, jandor9 <jandor9 wrote: > > The E coli, Hepatitis A, whatever is already ON the produce or IN the > produce BEFORE it ever gets near plastic bags, wrap, whatever. Even if > you put them in a sealed glass jar the produce would still be > contaminated. It's not the fact that it's in sealed plastic either. If > bagged produce is kept properly in a refrigerated enviroment,it > actually retards spoilage and bacterial growth. That's why those bags > of cut washed greens are, unopened, good for at least a week if kept > cold. Throw a couple of lettuce leaves on a shelf of your fridge for a > couple of days. I don't think you would eat them. Bacteria and viruses > need warmth and moisture to thrive. Like inside our bodies. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 In a message dated 9/16/06 7:46:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jandor9 writes: > Until they figure out where the contamination is coming from I think > I'll be steering clear of the bagged stuff. I have yet to understand why it's predominately the bagged produce that seems to cause the most problems. Isn't all produce washed prior to shipping? And if something is grown in contaminated soil, makes no difference if it's bagged or unbagged. I think if we knew the half of it we'd all stop eating. Every industry is looking to cut costs but when it comes down to the health and safety of the consumer this comes across as shoddy business. Someone may well cut their costs, but in the long run they ultimately lose when they're fined and/or shut down. You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Sooner or later the chickens come home to roost. TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 In a message dated 9/16/06 9:23:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jandor9 writes: > EXCUSE ME..This is a VEGETARIAN GROUP!!..NO CHICKENS ALLOWED!!!Ha Ha! Don't think I didn't think about that before I typed it. LOL > > > They are gambling on us good citizens having a short memory, which we > do. We'll be eatting bagged salad and spinach in a couple of months > without a care in the world. > Well, I'll tell ya....as one who is a fan of bagged lettuce/spinach because of the convenience I think this latest incident has clinched it for me. I'll take the few extra minutes and prep it myself in hopes of cutting my risks. I didn't come this far to be felled by a bag of produce. LOL TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9 wrote: > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli contamination except > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird and rabbit > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. It's all > over the place. > Yes. I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it is everywhere. And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which helps it to multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but can fend off low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we encounter mass quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from being in bags in addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and thus become sick. No more bags for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 In a message dated 9/17/06 12:36:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jtwigg writes: > Well you know, if I put fresh bunches of lettuce in my produce drawers of > my refrigerator, without putting it into a plastic bag, it wilts the same day. > I put it in those bags on rolls in the produce sections. > Judy > Several years ago I recall someone making bags with tiny holes in them for storing produce...allowed the veggies to breathe and cut down on accumlated moisture. As I remember it, they worked pretty well. I wonder if they still make them. I guess you could probably do it yourself with an ordinary plastic bag. TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated and the bagged greens are left out over night!! Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - jandor9 Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm enviroment. Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels until they get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad left out of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They have cases documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped spinach. It seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload that got very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have wilted spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were from the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed up and the distance between them-thinking of transporting the greens. This is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach either growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed with contaminated water during processing in order to have that much E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your friend tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why all those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over. COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>) Janis , " Thia .... " <bipolyf wrote: > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9 wrote: > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli contamination except > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird and rabbit > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. It's all > > over the place. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it is everywhere. > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which helps it to > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but can fend off > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we encounter mass > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from being in bags in > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and thus become > sick. > > > > No more bags for me. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 You are lucky!! Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - jandor9 Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:38 AM Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and all the bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are in open chill cases with cold water sprayers too. Janis , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub wrote: > > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated and the > bagged greens are left out over night!! > > Marilyn Daub > mcdaub > Vanceburg, KY > My Cats Knead Me!! > - > jandor9 > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach > > > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm enviroment. > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels until they > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad left out > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They have cases > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped spinach. It > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload that got > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have wilted > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were from > the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed up and > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the greens. This > is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach either > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed with > contaminated water during processing in order to have that much > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your friend > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why all > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over. > > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>) > Janis > > , " Thia .... " <bipolyf@> > wrote: > > > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote: > > > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli contamination > except > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird and > rabbit > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. It's all > > > over the place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it is > everywhere. > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which > helps it to > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but can > fend off > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we > encounter mass > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from being in > bags in > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and thus > become > > sick. > > > > > > > > No more bags for me. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 They say they are working on that, but the produce is all out in " warm " cases and no refrigeration yet. This is why I travel 30 to 40 miles to buy my produce where they have it refrigerated and watered!! Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - genny_y2k Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:47 AM Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach -Same here Janis, All the veggie cases are chilled and the little song " singing in the rain " plays while the fresh veggies are sprayed with cold water. Of course potatoes, onions, etc. are not in chill cases and should not be. The packaged veggie mixes,herbs,fresh cut fruits, and some salad dressings, are also in chilled cases. I think I would talk to the store managers if they do not keep perishable leafy veggies in chill cases. Deanna - In , " jandor9 " <jandor9 wrote: > > Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and all the > bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are in > open chill cases with cold water sprayers too. > > Janis > > , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub@> > wrote: > > > > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated and > the > > bagged greens are left out over night!! > > > > Marilyn Daub > > mcdaub@ > > Vanceburg, KY > > My Cats Knead Me!! > > - > > jandor9 > > > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM > > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution > with spinach > > > > > > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm > enviroment. > > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels until > they > > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad left > out > > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They have > cases > > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped spinach. > It > > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload that > got > > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have wilted > > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were from > > the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed up > and > > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the greens. > This > > is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach > either > > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed with > > contaminated water during processing in order to have that much > > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your > friend > > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why all > > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over. > > > > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>) > > Janis > > > > , " Thia .... " <bipolyf@> > > wrote: > > > > > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli contamination > > except > > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird and > > rabbit > > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. It's > all > > > > over the place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it is > > everywhere. > > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which > > helps it to > > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but can > > fend off > > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we > > encounter mass > > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from being > in > > bags in > > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and thus > > become > > > sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > No more bags for me. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 lol Ours sounds like you are walking thru a rain forest, when they start up. Chilled cases are the norm here for bagged veggie products. They carry the tofu in water, refrigerated salad dressings, veggie cheese,fresh squeezed juices and Nayoise in those also at our stores. Judy Judy - jandor9 Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:49 AM Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach I think those sprayers have motion sensors in them! Ha Ha Ha!!! , " genny_y2k " <genny_y2k wrote: > > -Same here Janis, All the veggie cases are chilled and the little > song " singing in the rain " plays while the fresh veggies are sprayed > with cold water. Of course potatoes, onions, etc. are not in chill > cases and should not be. The packaged veggie mixes,herbs,fresh cut > fruits, and some salad dressings, are also in chilled cases. I think > I would talk to the store managers if they do not keep perishable > leafy veggies in chill cases. > Deanna - In , " jandor9 " <jandor9@> > wrote: > > > > Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and all > the > > bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are in > > open chill cases with cold water sprayers too. > > > > Janis > > > > , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated > and > > the > > > bagged greens are left out over night!! > > > > > > Marilyn Daub > > > mcdaub@ > > > Vanceburg, KY > > > My Cats Knead Me!! > > > - > > > jandor9 > > > > > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM > > > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution > > with spinach > > > > > > > > > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm > > enviroment. > > > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels until > > they > > > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad left > > out > > > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They have > > cases > > > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped > spinach. > > It > > > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload > that > > got > > > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have wilted > > > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were > from > > > the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed up > > and > > > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the greens. > > This > > > is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach > > either > > > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed > with > > > contaminated water during processing in order to have that much > > > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your > > friend > > > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why > all > > > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over. > > > > > > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>) > > > Janis > > > > > > , " Thia .... " <bipolyf@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli > contamination > > > except > > > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird > and > > > rabbit > > > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. > It's > > all > > > > > over the place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it > is > > > everywhere. > > > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which > > > helps it to > > > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but > can > > > fend off > > > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we > > > encounter mass > > > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from > being > > in > > > bags in > > > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and > thus > > > become > > > > sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No more bags for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 I am moving there, Judy!!! giggle!! Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - wwjd Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:56 AM Re: Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach lol Ours sounds like you are walking thru a rain forest, when they start up. Chilled cases are the norm here for bagged veggie products. They carry the tofu in water, refrigerated salad dressings, veggie cheese,fresh squeezed juices and Nayoise in those also at our stores. Judy Judy - jandor9 Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:49 AM Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach I think those sprayers have motion sensors in them! Ha Ha Ha!!! , " genny_y2k " <genny_y2k wrote: > > -Same here Janis, All the veggie cases are chilled and the little > song " singing in the rain " plays while the fresh veggies are sprayed > with cold water. Of course potatoes, onions, etc. are not in chill > cases and should not be. The packaged veggie mixes,herbs,fresh cut > fruits, and some salad dressings, are also in chilled cases. I think > I would talk to the store managers if they do not keep perishable > leafy veggies in chill cases. > Deanna - In , " jandor9 " <jandor9@> > wrote: > > > > Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and all > the > > bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are in > > open chill cases with cold water sprayers too. > > > > Janis > > > > , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated > and > > the > > > bagged greens are left out over night!! > > > > > > Marilyn Daub > > > mcdaub@ > > > Vanceburg, KY > > > My Cats Knead Me!! > > > - > > > jandor9 > > > > > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM > > > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution > > with spinach > > > > > > > > > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm > > enviroment. > > > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels until > > they > > > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad left > > out > > > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They have > > cases > > > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped > spinach. > > It > > > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload > that > > got > > > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have wilted > > > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were > from > > > the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed up > > and > > > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the greens. > > This > > > is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach > > either > > > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed > with > > > contaminated water during processing in order to have that much > > > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your > > friend > > > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why > all > > > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over. > > > > > > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>) > > > Janis > > > > > > , " Thia .... " <bipolyf@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli > contamination > > > except > > > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird > and > > > rabbit > > > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. > It's > > all > > > > > over the place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it > is > > > everywhere. > > > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which > > > helps it to > > > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but > can > > > fend off > > > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we > > > encounter mass > > > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from > being > > in > > > bags in > > > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and > thus > > > become > > > > sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No more bags for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Well, I am not going to support a local grocery with produce in that condition!!! I have to drive to the places that keep produce correctly!! The produce here in town is wilted a few hours after it is put out. So are the cut fruit. Not me!! Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - jandor9 Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:00 PM Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach " Working on it " ?? Betch they are gonna work a little harder after this. Especially since anyone who has a TV, radio, computer or the newspaper is NOT going to buy thier warm little produce! Glad to hear you are going elsewhere for food. Janis , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub wrote: > > They say they are working on that, but the produce is all out in " warm " > cases and no refrigeration yet. This is why I travel 30 to 40 miles to buy > my produce where they have it refrigerated and watered!! > > Marilyn Daub > mcdaub > Vanceburg, KY > My Cats Knead Me!! > - > genny_y2k > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:47 AM > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach > > > -Same here Janis, All the veggie cases are chilled and the little > song " singing in the rain " plays while the fresh veggies are sprayed > with cold water. Of course potatoes, onions, etc. are not in chill > cases and should not be. The packaged veggie mixes,herbs,fresh cut > fruits, and some salad dressings, are also in chilled cases. I think > I would talk to the store managers if they do not keep perishable > leafy veggies in chill cases. > Deanna - In , " jandor9 " <jandor9@> > wrote: > > > > Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and all > the > > bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are in > > open chill cases with cold water sprayers too. > > > > Janis > > > > , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not refrigerated > and > > the > > > bagged greens are left out over night!! > > > > > > Marilyn Daub > > > mcdaub@ > > > Vanceburg, KY > > > My Cats Knead Me!! > > > - > > > jandor9 > > > > > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM > > > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution > > with spinach > > > > > > > > > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm > > enviroment. > > > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels until > > they > > > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad left > > out > > > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They have > > cases > > > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped > spinach. > > It > > > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload > that > > got > > > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have wilted > > > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York were > from > > > the same date code too because of the dates the cases showed up > > and > > > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the greens. > > This > > > is why they are working with the possibilities of the spinach > > either > > > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being sprayed > with > > > contaminated water during processing in order to have that much > > > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did your > > friend > > > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's why > all > > > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over. > > > > > > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>) > > > Janis > > > > > > , " Thia .... " <bipolyf@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli > contamination > > > except > > > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. Bird > and > > > rabbit > > > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. > It's > > all > > > > > over the place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, it > is > > > everywhere. > > > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, which > > > helps it to > > > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, but > can > > > fend off > > > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when we > > > encounter mass > > > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from > being > > in > > > bags in > > > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, and > thus > > > become > > > > sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No more bags for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Well you know, if I put fresh bunches of lettuce in my produce drawers of my refrigerator, without putting it into a plastic bag, it wilts the same day. I put it in those bags on rolls in the produce sections. Judy - jandor9 " The produce here in town is wilted a few hours after it is put out. " Exactly. And the bagged stuff probably looks worse if left out since it's in it's own little terrarium. I hope they find out what the source is this time. They never did find out what the source was with the salad E.coli outbreak last year. Janis --- . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Maybe they need to look at how it is handled in some of the grocery stores and the delivery in the hot trucks?? Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - jandor9 Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:29 PM Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach " The produce here in town is wilted a few hours after it is put out. " Exactly. And the bagged stuff probably looks worse if left out since it's in it's own little terrarium. I hope they find out what the source is this time. They never did find out what the source was with the salad E.coli outbreak last year. Janis , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub wrote: > > Well, I am not going to support a local grocery with produce in that > condition!!! I have to drive to the places that keep produce correctly!! > The produce here in town is wilted a few hours after it is put out. So are > the cut fruit. Not me!! > > Marilyn Daub > mcdaub > Vanceburg, KY > My Cats Knead Me!! > - > jandor9 > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:00 PM > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach > > > " Working on it " ?? Betch they are gonna work a little harder after > this. Especially since anyone who has a TV, radio, computer or the > newspaper is NOT going to buy thier warm little produce! Glad to hear > you are going elsewhere for food. > > Janis > > , " Marilyn Daub " <mcdaub@> > wrote: > > > > They say they are working on that, but the produce is all out > in " warm " > > cases and no refrigeration yet. This is why I travel 30 to 40 > miles to buy > > my produce where they have it refrigerated and watered!! > > > > Marilyn Daub > > mcdaub@ > > Vanceburg, KY > > My Cats Knead Me!! > > - > > genny_y2k > > > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:47 AM > > Re: Plastic packaging and Caution > with spinach > > > > > > -Same here Janis, All the veggie cases are chilled and the little > > song " singing in the rain " plays while the fresh veggies are > sprayed > > with cold water. Of course potatoes, onions, etc. are not in chill > > cases and should not be. The packaged veggie mixes,herbs,fresh cut > > fruits, and some salad dressings, are also in chilled cases. I > think > > I would talk to the store managers if they do not keep perishable > > leafy veggies in chill cases. > > Deanna - In , " jandor9 " <jandor9@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Glad I don't shop there!! I shop at Pathmark and Shoprite and > all > > the > > > bagged stuff is in open chill cases. All the " loose " greens are > in > > > open chill cases with cold water sprayers too. > > > > > > Janis > > > > > > , " Marilyn Daub " > <mcdaub@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Many of the grocery store produce sections are not > refrigerated > > and > > > the > > > > bagged greens are left out over night!! > > > > > > > > Marilyn Daub > > > > mcdaub@ > > > > Vanceburg, KY > > > > My Cats Knead Me!! > > > > - > > > > jandor9 > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:20 AM > > > > Re: Plastic packaging and > Caution > > > with spinach > > > > > > > > > > > > Bagging does not keep produce warm unless it's in a warm > > > enviroment. > > > > Those bagged salads are kept cold all thru their travels > until > > > they > > > > get to the store to keep them fresh. Think of what a salad > left > > > out > > > > of the fridge for several hours looks like...wilted. They > have > > > cases > > > > documented in 19 states so far. That is a lot of shipped > > spinach. > > > It > > > > seems kind of remote that it would all be from one truckload > > that > > > got > > > > very warm for a few hours. Not to mention they would have > wilted > > > > spinach. I doubt the spinach from Washinton and New York > were > > from > > > > the same date code too because of the dates the cases > showed up > > > and > > > > the distance between them-thinking of transporting the > greens. > > > This > > > > is why they are working with the possibilities of the > spinach > > > either > > > > growing in contaminated soil/water and possibly being > sprayed > > with > > > > contaminated water during processing in order to have that > much > > > > E.coli bacteria embedded in the spinach. By the way, did > your > > > friend > > > > tell you we have E. coli in our digestive systems? That's > why > > all > > > > those " Employees Must Wash Hands " signs are up all over. > > > > > > > > COOK 'EM ALL!! >:>) > > > > Janis > > > > > > > > , " Thia .... " > <bipolyf@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 9/16/06, jandor9 <jandor9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip>There is NO way to 100% prevent E. coli > > contamination > > > > except > > > > > > grow everything in stadium sized sterile greenhouses. > Bird > > and > > > > rabbit > > > > > > poop have E. coli in it. Runoff water has E. coli in it. > > It's > > > all > > > > > > over the place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > I had a friend explain to me just yesterday, that indeed, > it > > is > > > > everywhere. > > > > > And the fact that it is bagged, keeps it warm and moist, > which > > > > helps it to > > > > > multiply. We all deal with bacteria and virus everyday, > but > > can > > > > fend off > > > > > low quantities naturally. It's a fact of life. But when > we > > > > encounter mass > > > > > quantities of something (in this case, excess growth from > > being > > > in > > > > bags in > > > > > addition to being contaminated), we have a harder time, > and > > thus > > > > become > > > > > sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No more bags for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Yes that is what I was saying. LOL Judy - jandor9 Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:16 PM Re: Plastic packaging and Caution with spinach If it's NOT in a bag and in a fridge, it gets dehydrated and wilts. In the bag and COLD it stays fresher, longer. , " wwjd " <jtwigg wrote: > > Well you know, if I put fresh bunches of lettuce in my produce drawers of my refrigerator, without putting it into a plastic bag, it wilts the same day. I put it in those bags on rolls in the produce sections. > Judy > - > jandor9 > > > " The produce here in town is wilted a few hours after it is put out. " > > Exactly. And the bagged stuff probably looks worse if left out since > it's in it's own little terrarium. I hope they find out what the > source is this time. They never did find out what the source was with > the salad E.coli outbreak last year. > > Janis > > --- > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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