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Now just where did you come up with that idea? No, not true.Ludicrous idea

actually. I distinguish between those that are vegetarians and those that

are vegans all of whom do so for their own personal reasons. I don't

eat/drink dairy because cows are milked with machines and stand side by

side. LOL Cows are forced to have calves back to back and the babies are

taken from them right after birth to the distress of the mother and calve.

The cows are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics. In some farm factories

they are now being kept in the stalls day and night in order to get the most

milk from them with the least cost. If you have seen those Happy Cow

California Milk / Cheese commercials I can tell you from personal

observations that is absolutely not true. If you travel the I-5 in

California you can see dairy cows in pens that look like feed lots...nothing

but mud, but with tiny elevations where they can try to get out of the mud.

It is disgusting. The cows are so over milked and treated with hormones that

many have udders dragging on the ground. Mastitis is rampant. Not a normal

thing to happen. The more they are milked the more milk they will give so

the natural rhythms are ignored and they are milked more frequently. They

are sent to slaughter for hamburger when their milk production declines

usually by the age of five and usually at age 3-4. And I might add, long

before signs of Mad Cow disease can show up. It takes years for outward

symptoms to show up. The cow that was just found to have mad cow disease was

ten years old as I understand it. A non-factoried cow will live 25 years.

For those that are still eating hamburger it is usually from dairy cows that

have been exhausted and can't give the enormous amount of milk demanded.

They are now expected and forced to give 100 pounds of milk today, ten times

more than they would naturally. Try this site to see why I don't drink or

eat dairy. http://www.factoryfarming.com/dairy.htm And what do you think

they do with all of those male baby cows that come from the dairy cow? Veal.

That is the primary source of veal, which by the way is on the increase as

people forget the horrors of what happens to those babies. Will you do me

the favor Shawn and read it? Love ya' and now off to boil the frozen tofu.

linda

 

" subprong " <subprong

 

I suppose a person who chose the diet for

> animal rights might think a lacto-vegetarian isn't a vegetarian because,

to

> them, milking a cow with machines, standing side-by-side and how/what they

> might go through in the process may be considered violent to them.

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Vegetarian-- pregnant with meaning! :)

 

 

 

Okay, I think that the definition of vegetarian is not clear to most

people... because some draw their veggie line in the sand with

different angled sticks: Vegan,...Lacto...

 

This causes confusion to the onlooker or novice. However, to

understand the term, one must understand that an underlying

philosophy is built into the word itself. The term vegetarian stands

on its own: it stands on a principle of a non-violent diet. A person

may opt to become vegetarian for health only or other reasons, but

that doesn't change the meaning of the word.

 

I want to post Webster's specific definition verbatim :

 

vegetarian, n.

one that believes in or practices living on a diet of vegetables,

fruits, grains, nuts , and sometimes animal products (as milk and

cheese)--vegetarian adj. vegetarianism n.

 

That Webster's has used the word " believes " indicates that a belief

is connected to the word--the philosophy which is inherent. There is

a line which cannot be crossed.

 

For Example: I'm a lacto-vegetarian which means I use milk products

but do not take eggs, fish, or meat. In addition, however I do not

eat cheeses with rennet, nor do I use milk that contains vitamin D

which has its source as fish oil.

 

Although the categories of the word vegetarian differ... It has its

boundaries in meaning, which are not just the tools of semantics. If

you kill an animal to eat it, you're not eating a vegetarian diet. If

you kill a vegetable to eat it, you are still eating a vegetarian

diet.

Pertinent to this tenet is that cows aren't directly slaughtered for

their milk. I think you have to think clearly in terms of direct

cause and effect. Otherwise the logic is lost in the muddle, and we

extend or contract the definition, ad nauseam.

 

I'm not trying to say people who are " striving " to become vegetarians

are without merit! I'm just saying that being vegetarian is like

being pregnant, either you are or you aren't! :)

 

PS: Webster's definition for Fish n. water dwelling animal...

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}{a }{a you don't get it...reread the it with an open mind...then

pick up a dictionary sometime and something on a practical Non

violent philosophy and while you're at it pick a book of poetry!

 

It will broaden your }{orizons

 

 

 

 

, " linda " <lindai81

wrote:

>

> Now just where did you come up with that idea? No, not

true.Ludicrous idea

> actually. I distinguish between those that are vegetarians and

those that

> are vegans all of whom do so for their own personal reasons. I

don't

> eat/drink dairy because cows are milked with machines and stand

side by

> side. LOL Cows are forced to have calves back to back and the

babies are

> taken from them right after birth to the distress of the mother and

calve.

> The cows are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics. In some farm

factories

> they are now being kept in the stalls day and night in order to get

the most

> milk from them with the least cost. If you have seen those Happy Cow

> California Milk / Cheese commercials I can tell you from personal

> observations that is absolutely not true. If you travel the I-5 in

> California you can see dairy cows in pens that look like feed

lots...nothing

> but mud, but with tiny elevations where they can try to get out of

the mud.

> It is disgusting. The cows are so over milked and treated with

hormones that

> many have udders dragging on the ground. Mastitis is rampant. Not a

normal

> thing to happen. The more they are milked the more milk they will

give so

> the natural rhythms are ignored and they are milked more

frequently. They

> are sent to slaughter for hamburger when their milk production

declines

> usually by the age of five and usually at age 3-4. And I might add,

long

> before signs of Mad Cow disease can show up. It takes years for

outward

> symptoms to show up. The cow that was just found to have mad cow

disease was

> ten years old as I understand it. A non-factoried cow will live 25

years.

> For those that are still eating hamburger it is usually from dairy

cows that

> have been exhausted and can't give the enormous amount of milk

demanded.

> They are now expected and forced to give 100 pounds of milk today,

ten times

> more than they would naturally. Try this site to see why I don't

drink or

> eat dairy. http://www.factoryfarming.com/dairy.htm And what do

you think

> they do with all of those male baby cows that come from the dairy

cow? Veal.

> That is the primary source of veal, which by the way is on the

increase as

> people forget the horrors of what happens to those babies. Will you

do me

> the favor Shawn and read it? Love ya' and now off to boil the

frozen tofu.

> linda

>

> " subprong " <subprong

>

> I suppose a person who chose the diet for

> > animal rights might think a lacto-vegetarian isn't a vegetarian

because,

> to

> > them, milking a cow with machines, standing side-by-side and

how/what they

> > might go through in the process may be considered violent to them.

>

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WEll thank ya suprong and I just knew a fellow poet would appreciate

the word thing by webster's.. I'm glad to let you in on the vitamin

D thing...In fact sometimes, vitamin A is from an animal source in

liquid milk too...it's a mess out there... haha

 

, subprong <subprong

wrote:

>

> Very interesting and refreshing to read. Do we have the " original "

> definition of the term vegetarian(ism)? Was the Webster's version

the same

> as others?

>

> It is always interesting that people assume that if you are

vegetarian that

> you are doing it for animal rights or non-violence against

animals. In

> fact, there are various reasons. I suppose a person who chose the

diet for

> animal rights might think a lacto-vegetarian isn't a vegetarian

because, to

> them, milking a cow with machines, standing side-by-side and

how/what they

> might go through in the process may be considered violent to them.

>

> Though as you state according to that Websters definition, a lacto

> vegetarian fits the description accurately. ...and yet simply as a

> " vegetarian " . This is probably why the terms lacto or ova were

introduced

> into the vegetarian labels.

>

> Then for those that think baby chicks appear out of nowhere like

magic

> (according to the Starburst lady) and whom eat chicken, then came

along a

> pollo-veg, then the cold blooded pesce(a)-veg and so on and so

forth. Now

> there will be flexi-pollo-lacto vegetarians. That will be tough to

rhyme!

> :)

>

> Oh btw, I did not realize (or remember) that some sources of Vit D

came from

> fish oil. Thanks for that information. Hope to hear from ya soon,

> Cuppa_2a.

>

> S.

>

> On 3/15/06, cuppa_2u <> wrote:

> >

> > Okay, I think that the definition of vegetarian is not clear to

most

> > people... because some draw their veggie line in the sand with

> > different size sticks. Vegan,...Lacto...

> >

> > This causes confusion to the onlooker or novice. However, to

> > understand the term, one must understand that an underlying

> > philosophy is built into the word itself. The term vegetarian

stands

> > on its own: it stands on a principle of a non-violent diet.

> >

> > A person may opt to become vegetarian for health only or other

> > reasons, but that doesn't change the meaning of the word.

> >

> > I want to post Webster's specific definition verbatim :

> >

> > vegetarian, n.

> > one that believes in or practices living on a diet of vegetables,

> > fruits, grains, nuts , and sometimes animal products (as milk and

> > cheese)--vegetarian adj. vegetarianism n.

> >

> > That Webster's has used the word " believes " indicates that a

belief

> > is connected to the word--the philosophy which is inherent.

> >

> > For Example: I'm a lacto-vegetarian which means I use milk

products

> > but do not take eggs, fish, or meat. In addition, however I do

not

> > eat cheeses with rennet, nor do I use milk that contains vitamin D

> > which has its source as fish oil.

> >

> > Although the categories of the word vegetarian differ...It has its

> > boundaries in meaning, which are not just the tools of

semantics. If

> > you kill an animal to eat it, you're not eating a vegetarian

diet. If

> > you kill a vegetable to eat it, you are still eating a vegetarian

> > diet.

> > Pertinent to this tenet is that cows aren't directly slaughtered

for

> > their milk. I think you have to think clearly in terms of direct

> > cause and effect. Otherwise the logic is lost in the muddle, and

we

> > extend or contract the definition, ad nauseam.

> >

> > I'm not trying to say people who are " striving " to become

vegetarians

> > are without merit! I'm just saying that being vegetarian is like

> > being pregnant, either you are or you aren't! :)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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