Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 >Among the travellers was someone who obviously was an animal lover, >as he was carrying a lot of dogfood with him and was trying to feed >every stray on the road. With all due respect for good intentions, & making plain that I am speaking only for myself, I don't have a lot of patience with people who feed street dogs & feral cats & then are surprised when the animals are poisoned, round up & killed, or killed in some other gruesome manner. This is just as predictable as the outcome from pissing into the wind. What needs to be done is sterilizing and vaccinating the animals, and leaving them dispersed throughout their habitat, where they are obviously finding enough food to survive or they would not be there. Sterilizing them inhibits the fecundity of the population to ensure that there is more food to go around. Feeding them just concentrates them more in particular locations where they: 1) Hang around & make pests of themselves while awaiting handouts, instead of individually scavenging refuse & hunting rodents; 2) Pack up, in the case of well-fed dogs, & burn off calories by chasing humans & livestock, which authentic street dogs don't do because animals living by their own resources tend to conserve their energy; 3) Defecate in sufficient concentrations to make the vicinity unpleasant to passers-by; 4) Become unusually vulnerable to mass round-ups, poisoning, and massacre. All a feeder is really doing is conditioning animals to be killed--including conditioning them to eat poisoned baits. Often smart street animals will not take kibble, because they know very well that it is often mixed with poison. Thus, after the December 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, well-meaning American rescuers found that they had to disguise kibble by mixing it with rice in order to get the starving dogs in Sri Lanka to touch it. Every bag of kibble that a well-meaning feeder of street dogs and feral cats buys represents a sterilization surgery that the person could have paid for instead, and is often the death warrant for the dogs or cats who eat it. I have about the same response to photos of people feeding packs of street dogs that many animal advocates have to photos of bullfights: what the hell are these people thinking of? If someone wants to feed the dog or two or cat or two on his/her own doorstep, no problem, because that doesn't create a problem. Baiting animals into regular feeding locations, though, is always trouble. Sometimes it is necessary for a few days or (rarely) even weeks to condition feral cats to be caught and sterilized, but it should never be a sustained routine. Yes, I know, I am a heartless bastard. Even the four recently rescued feral cats under my bed think so. And my two dogs, also recent rescue cases, are allegedly not the brightest. -- Merritt Clifton Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE P.O. Box 960 Clinton, WA 98236 Telephone: 360-579-2505 Fax: 360-579-2575 E-mail: anmlpepl Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide, founded in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes the decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal protection organizations. We have no alignment or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; for free sample, send address.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 opinions may be different,but your points are convincing.making habitual of begging sometimes pose a threat to their independent living .Similarly Monkeys in India are become habitual of Bread biscuits and in many instances fast food,NonVeg and some times alcohal etc.They are difficult to rehabilitate. More views of Members on this matter will enlighten. Sandeep Merritt Clifton <anmlpepl wrote: >Among the travellers was someone who obviously was an animal lover, >as he was carrying a lot of dogfood with him and was trying to feed >every stray on the road. With all due respect for good intentions, & making plain that I am speaking only for myself, I don't have a lot of patience with people who feed street dogs & feral cats & then are surprised when the animals are poisoned, round up & killed, or killed in some other gruesome manner. This is just as predictable as the outcome from pissing into the wind. What needs to be done is sterilizing and vaccinating the animals, and leaving them dispersed throughout their habitat, where they are obviously finding enough food to survive or they would not be there. Sterilizing them inhibits the fecundity of the population to ensure that there is more food to go around. Feeding them just concentrates them more in particular locations where they: 1) Hang around & make pests of themselves while awaiting handouts, instead of individually scavenging refuse & hunting rodents; 2) Pack up, in the case of well-fed dogs, & burn off calories by chasing humans & livestock, which authentic street dogs don't do because animals living by their own resources tend to conserve their energy; 3) Defecate in sufficient concentrations to make the vicinity unpleasant to passers-by; 4) Become unusually vulnerable to mass round-ups, poisoning, and massacre. All a feeder is really doing is conditioning animals to be killed--including conditioning them to eat poisoned baits. Often smart street animals will not take kibble, because they know very well that it is often mixed with poison. Thus, after the December 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, well-meaning American rescuers found that they had to disguise kibble by mixing it with rice in order to get the starving dogs in Sri Lanka to touch it. Every bag of kibble that a well-meaning feeder of street dogs and feral cats buys represents a sterilization surgery that the person could have paid for instead, and is often the death warrant for the dogs or cats who eat it. I have about the same response to photos of people feeding packs of street dogs that many animal advocates have to photos of bullfights: what the hell are these people thinking of? If someone wants to feed the dog or two or cat or two on his/her own doorstep, no problem, because that doesn't create a problem. Baiting animals into regular feeding locations, though, is always trouble. Sometimes it is necessary for a few days or (rarely) even weeks to condition feral cats to be caught and sterilized, but it should never be a sustained routine. Yes, I know, I am a heartless bastard. Even the four recently rescued feral cats under my bed think so. And my two dogs, also recent rescue cases, are allegedly not the brightest. -- Merritt Clifton Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE P.O. Box 960 Clinton, WA 98236 Telephone: 360-579-2505 Fax: 360-579-2575 E-mail: anmlpepl Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide, founded in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes the decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal protection organizations. We have no alignment or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; for free sample, send address.] Dr.Sandeep K.Jain Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 FEED THE STARVING MAKES ONE A COMPASSIONATE CITIZEN. I do not know how to make the starving pup or the monkey understand that because of a defunct system that persists in this society driven by human intellectuals, feeding them may err. A starving fellow human or animal understands just one language, the language of HUNGER. Try starving and you may understand. Yes its a menace, we all are working to reduce it, aint' we? Dont be so harsh! On 10/31/07, Dr.Sandeep Kumar Jain <jeevdaya04 wrote: > opinions may be different,but your points are convincing.making habitual of > begging sometimes pose a threat to their independent living .Similarly > Monkeys in India are become habitual of Bread biscuits and in many instances > fast food,NonVeg and some times alcohal etc.They are difficult to > rehabilitate. > > More views of Members on this matter will enlighten. > Sandeep > > Merritt Clifton <anmlpepl wrote: > >Among the travellers was someone who obviously was an animal > lover, > >as he was carrying a lot of dogfood with him and was trying to feed > >every stray on the road. > > With all due respect for good intentions, & making plain > that I am speaking only for myself, I don't have a lot of patience > with people who feed street dogs & feral cats & then are surprised > when the animals are poisoned, round up & killed, or killed in some > other gruesome manner. > > This is just as predictable as the outcome from pissing into > the wind. What needs to be done is sterilizing and vaccinating the > animals, and leaving them dispersed throughout their habitat, where > they are obviously finding enough food to survive or they would not > be there. > > Sterilizing them inhibits the fecundity of the population to > ensure that there is more food to go around. > > Feeding them just concentrates them more in particular > locations where they: > > 1) Hang around & make pests of themselves while awaiting > handouts, instead of individually scavenging refuse & hunting > rodents; > > 2) Pack up, in the case of well-fed dogs, & burn off > calories by chasing humans & livestock, which authentic street dogs > don't do because animals living by their own resources tend to > conserve their energy; > > 3) Defecate in sufficient concentrations to make the > vicinity unpleasant to passers-by; > > 4) Become unusually vulnerable to mass round-ups, > poisoning, and massacre. > > All a feeder is really doing is conditioning animals to be > killed--including conditioning them to eat poisoned baits. Often > smart street animals will not take kibble, because they know very > well that it is often mixed with poison. Thus, after the December > 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, well-meaning American rescuers found that > they had to disguise kibble by mixing it with rice in order to get > the starving dogs in Sri Lanka to touch it. > > Every bag of kibble that a well-meaning feeder of street dogs > and feral cats buys represents a sterilization surgery that the > person could have paid for instead, and is often the death warrant > for the dogs or cats who eat it. > > I have about the same response to photos of people feeding > packs of street dogs that many animal advocates have to photos of > bullfights: what the hell are these people thinking of? > > If someone wants to feed the dog or two or cat or two on > his/her own doorstep, no problem, because that doesn't create a > problem. Baiting animals into regular feeding locations, though, > is always trouble. Sometimes it is necessary for a few days or > (rarely) even weeks to condition feral cats to be caught and > sterilized, but it should never be a sustained routine. > > Yes, I know, I am a heartless bastard. Even the four > recently rescued feral cats under my bed think so. And my two dogs, > also recent rescue cases, are allegedly not the brightest. > > -- > Merritt Clifton > Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE > P.O. Box 960 > Clinton, WA 98236 > > Telephone: 360-579-2505 > Fax: 360-579-2575 > E-mail: anmlpepl > Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org > > [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing > original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide, > founded in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes the > decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal protection organizations. > We have no alignment or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; > for free sample, send address.] > > > > > > Dr.Sandeep K.Jain > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 dear Azam, The views are not influenced by emotions but seems to be reality.Humanity and compassion says in the other way which we all agreee I am not for the views expressed in previous mails but these are really convincing and true upto certain extent.Many times we spoil our child by providing everything for nothing. The issue is very serious. best wishes , Sandeep On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 AZAM SIDDIQUI wrote : >FEED THE STARVING MAKES ONE A COMPASSIONATE CITIZEN. > >I do not know how to make the starving pup or the monkey understand >that because of a defunct system that persists in this society driven >by human intellectuals, feeding them may err. > >A starving fellow human or animal understands just one language, the >language of HUNGER. > >Try starving and you may understand. > >Yes its a menace, we all are working to reduce it, aint' we? >Dont be so harsh! > >On 10/31/07, Dr.Sandeep Kumar Jain <jeevdaya04 wrote: > > opinions may be different,but your points are convincing.making habitual of > > begging sometimes pose a threat to their independent living .Similarly > > Monkeys in India are become habitual of Bread biscuits and in many instances > > fast food,NonVeg and some times alcohal etc.They are difficult to > > rehabilitate. > > > > More views of Members on this matter will enlighten. > > Sandeep > > > > Merritt Clifton <anmlpepl wrote: > > >Among the travellers was someone who obviously was an animal > > lover, > > >as he was carrying a lot of dogfood with him and was trying to feed > > >every stray on the road. > > > > With all due respect for good intentions, & making plain > > that I am speaking only for myself, I don't have a lot of patience > > with people who feed street dogs & feral cats & then are surprised > > when the animals are poisoned, round up & killed, or killed in some > > other gruesome manner. > > > > This is just as predictable as the outcome from pissing into > > the wind. What needs to be done is sterilizing and vaccinating the > > animals, and leaving them dispersed throughout their habitat, where > > they are obviously finding enough food to survive or they would not > > be there. > > > > Sterilizing them inhibits the fecundity of the population to > > ensure that there is more food to go around. > > > > Feeding them just concentrates them more in particular > > locations where they: > > > > 1) Hang around & make pests of themselves while awaiting > > handouts, instead of individually scavenging refuse & hunting > > rodents; > > > > 2) Pack up, in the case of well-fed dogs, & burn off > > calories by chasing humans & livestock, which authentic street dogs > > don't do because animals living by their own resources tend to > > conserve their energy; > > > > 3) Defecate in sufficient concentrations to make the > > vicinity unpleasant to passers-by; > > > > 4) Become unusually vulnerable to mass round-ups, > > poisoning, and massacre. > > > > All a feeder is really doing is conditioning animals to be > > killed--including conditioning them to eat poisoned baits. Often > > smart street animals will not take kibble, because they know very > > well that it is often mixed with poison. Thus, after the December > > 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, well-meaning American rescuers found that > > they had to disguise kibble by mixing it with rice in order to get > > the starving dogs in Sri Lanka to touch it. > > > > Every bag of kibble that a well-meaning feeder of street dogs > > and feral cats buys represents a sterilization surgery that the > > person could have paid for instead, and is often the death warrant > > for the dogs or cats who eat it. > > > > I have about the same response to photos of people feeding > > packs of street dogs that many animal advocates have to photos of > > bullfights: what the hell are these people thinking of? > > > > If someone wants to feed the dog or two or cat or two on > > his/her own doorstep, no problem, because that doesn't create a > > problem. Baiting animals into regular feeding locations, though, > > is always trouble. Sometimes it is necessary for a few days or > > (rarely) even weeks to condition feral cats to be caught and > > sterilized, but it should never be a sustained routine. > > > > Yes, I know, I am a heartless bastard. Even the four > > recently rescued feral cats under my bed think so. And my two dogs, > > also recent rescue cases, are allegedly not the brightest. > > > > -- > > Merritt Clifton > > Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE > > P.O. Box 960 > > Clinton, WA 98236 > > > > Telephone: 360-579-2505 > > Fax: 360-579-2575 > > E-mail: anmlpepl > > Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org > > > > [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing > > original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide, > > founded in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes the > > decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal protection organizations. > > We have no alignment or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; > > for free sample, send address.] > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.Sandeep K.Jain > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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