(HK) My summary of meeting Panel (13-May) on Food Safety and Environmental Hygiene

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

 

 

This is what happened in Hong Kong yesterday in our Legislative Council, on

the regulation of pet shops/breeders industry.

 

 

 

(Links to the LEGCO documents:

http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr07-08/english/panels/fseh/agenda/fsag0513.htm )

 

 

 

 

 

David

 

 

 

_____

 

nokillcity [nokillcity ] On

Behalf Of David Wong

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:04 PM

nokillcity ; Angelina Chen; Pamela Lay; pet lover;

charlotte; Animal Earth Forum °Êª«¦a²y°Q½×°Ï; burrowsx; Dave

Burrows; tonyjames; Wong Hon Ming; Wong Hon Ming; Anthony Lam

[nokillcity] My summary of meeting Panel (13-May) on Food Safety

and Environmental Hygiene

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

Yesterday's news coverage here: http://www.animalea

<http://www.animalearth.org/forum/index.php?topic=2497.msg15329#msg15329>

rth.org/forum/index.php?topic=2497.msg15329#msg15329

Not bad amidst the earthquake!

 

Recap of the panel meeting (13-May)

 

These were the main points discussed in the meeting, as far as I can recall

:

 

** Comments from NGOs/deputations

 

1. All the NGOs & the HK Breeders Association presented their views.

Each org had about 3 minutes to speak

2. HK Breeders Association said that they would like pet breedings to

be licencsed/controlled in the same way as other " livestocks " like

pigs/chickens/cows.

3. Animal Earth welcomed the amendments but questionned the rational

and afcd's " consultation " process leading up to the hobby breeder loophole,

i.e. (f)(iii)

4. Animal Earth stressed the need for transparently, responsibly, &

humanely treating any affected animals when the new law comes into effect

5. HK Pet Friends Union questionned the rationale for the

" 1-breed-2-bitches " and suggested that breeding frequency would be more

appropriate to protect the well-being of the animals concerned

6. HK Pet Friends Union provided overseas (New Jersey)'s experience in

prohibiting dog breedings to exceed one litter per year

7. SPCA welcomed the new conditions, but has reservation also on

(f)(iii)

8. Hong Kong Veterinary Association welcomed the amendment

9. Dr Katriona Bradley welcomed the amendment

10. Ms HO Loy welcomed the amendment but also expressed concern in the

hobby breeders loophole

 

** Comments from LEGCO Members

 

Mr Albert Ho -- questionned whether licensing for pet traders and

breeders are different; questioned the rationale being the hobby breeder

loophole; suggested waiver for agricultural land use can be obtained for

breeders operation

 

Mr Wong Yung Kan -- requested that proper breeder licensing should be

explored instead of allowing hobby breeders, and mixing up with animal

trader licences

 

Ms Salina Chow -- requested the hobby breeder loophole be removed; asked

afcd why it could take 9 months for breeding operations to obtain proper

licence; demanded that the bill be thoroughly studied before bringing to

legco again.

 

Ms Audrey Eu -- questionned the rationale & practicality behind the

hobby breeder, specifically the feasibility of controlling, detected the

1-breed-2-bitches requirement for home breeders

 

Mr Cheung Yu-yan (Chairman) -- overall, not satisfied with AFCD's

explanations especially on the lengthy licencing procedures, the

non-one-stop-shop approach to licensing, and the hobby breeder loophole;

blaming afcd officials for taking members " round and round and round without

answering members' queries " ; asked afcd to go back and provide work out a

thorough scheme.

 

That's all I can remember.

If anybody who attended has anything to supplement, please do.

 

David

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

 

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sheila. <sheila hk; john;

sallyea (AT) (DOT) <sallyea com; angie_scott@

<angie_scott hotmail.com; burrowsx@netvigator

<burrowsx .com; angiechen@netvigato

<angiechen r.com; pamlay (AT) netvigator (DOT)

<pamlay com; funnypetss (AT) (DOT)

<funnypetss com.hk; marian (AT) hkalleycats (DOT)

<marian com; charlotte (AT) sparkcc (DOT)

<charlotte com

RE: LEGCO PROTEST - URGENT, at meeting (13-May) Panel on Food

Safety and Environmental Hygiene]

Mon, 12 May 2008 22:02:35 +0800

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

All set for tomorrow !!

 

 

 

Protest: 1:45pm, 13-May Tuesday, at LEGCO building entrance.

 

 

 

Bring your weapons! (slogans & signs )

 

 

 

See you

 

 

 

David

 

 

 

FYI, the panel meeting will come to our agenda item around 4:15pm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

 

David Wong [ky@davidwong <ky .org]

Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:07 PM

Lamma Animal Protection; Dr John Wedderburn; Sally Andersen; Angie

Scott; burrowsx@netvigator <burrowsx .com; Angie

Chen; Pamela Lay; pet lover; marian (AT) hkalleycats (DOT) <marian (AT) hkalleycats (DOT)

com> com

LEGCO PROTEST - URGENT, at meeting (13-May) Panel on Food Safety

and Environmental Hygiene]

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

*** SUPER URGENT ***

Will stage a protest next Tuesday 13-May at LEGCO.

Topic: Huge loophole allowing bad breeders to do business

Event: Protest outside LEGCO entrance while Panel meeting held inside

(which could pass the bad law)

 

Please join & call up people & dogs.

Please create & bring your own slogans!!!!

 

David

 

-------

 

 

Subject:

 

Re: [Fwd: Re: Request to attend meeting (13-May) Panel on Food Safety and

Environmental Hygiene]

 

 

Date:

 

Thu, 08 May 2008 14:52:07 +0800

 

 

 

 

David Wong <ky <ky

 

 

To:

 

Angie Scott <angie_scott <angie_scott

 

 

 

 

Angie, YES YES YES.

 

Please do.

Bring your own creation of whatever gadgets that can get frontpage coverage.

XXXL size please. And, please call up people and dogs.

 

I will make a huge elephant+rat hole in the wall.

Let's make it a bonanza of yelling at the govt --- " BAD BREEDERS COME TO

PLAY. ANIMALS WITH HELL TO STAY.... "

Any other slogan? Feel free to throw in your ideas.

 

Tentatively, gather 1:45pm, 13-May Tuesday, at LEGCO building entrance.

OK, let's go tell people then!!

 

What's your phone? Let's SMS if need be.

 

I'll call the reporters.

 

David

 

 

Angie Scott wrote:

 

How's things going ?

 

What's the latest on the protest ?

 

Should we just make a big LOOP out of a rubber hose and hold it up with a

banner at the top saying " current loop hole " and lets get all our friends

pet shop dogs walking through it. I have 3 and my friends 3 pet shop dogs

we can put a label around the dogs neck saying " I was a pet shop dog " I

have all my vet bills from all the problems they have from BAD BREEDING !!!

 

A

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

 

Tue, 6 May 2008 15:50:10 +0800

ky (AT) davidwong (DOT) <ky org

angie_scott@ <angie_scott hotmail.com

Re: [Fwd: Re: Request to attend meeting (13-May) Panel on Food

Safety and Environmental Hygiene]

 

 

so, how many people do u guess you can call up to the protest?

bear in mind it's a Tuesday afternoon

 

 

 

Angie Scott wrote:

 

yerrrrrrrrrrrrrr let's do it LOVE the idea !!!! My dogs were all sick

pet shop dogs - they all had luxating patella ....ofcourse I didn't buy them

from pet shops but adopted them after they had been dumped !!!

 

 

_____

 

 

Tue, 6 May 2008 15:31:55 +0800

ky (AT) davidwong (DOT) <ky org

angie_scott@ <angie_scott hotmail.com

Re: [Fwd: Re: Request to attend meeting (13-May) Panel on Food

Safety and Environmental Hygiene]

 

 

We have lobbied some legco members to support us too.

And you're right, public attention is important.

 

Do you think we can stage a mini-protest outside legco entrance on 13-May,

as usual ?

Gimmick -- how about an elephant going thru a giant rat hole? meaning that

that tiny loophole (i.e. allowing hobby breeders) will bring huge

opportunity for unscrupulous merchants to exploit

 

 

 

 

Angie Scott wrote:

 

Ofcourse A.F.D wants us to all come out and support their amendments this

coming 13th May .... they seem a little worried as the pet traders have got

some Legco members to support them.

 

I am working on getting as many people to turn up .... but the average

member of the public doesn't seem to know that this meeting is happening

...... A.F.D asks that we as groups bring it to the attention of the public

in the next few days. hhhmmmmm !!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

 

 

Photos & videos of yesterday¡¦s protest at Hong Kong LEGCO

 

 

 

http://www.animalearth.org/forum/index.php?topic=2497.msg15340#msg15340

 

 

 

David

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

aapn [aapn ] On Behalf Of David

Wong

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:14 PM

aapn

(HK) My summary of meeting Panel (13-May) on Food Safety and

Environmental Hygiene

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

This is what happened in Hong Kong yesterday in our Legislative Council, on

the regulation of pet shops/breeders industry.

 

(Links to the LEGCO documents:

http://www.legco.

<http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr07-08/english/panels/fseh/agenda/fsag0513.htm>

gov.hk/yr07-08/english/panels/fseh/agenda/fsag0513.htm )

 

David

 

_____

 

nokillcity@gro <nokillcity%40> ups.com

[nokillcity@gro <nokillcity%40> ups.com]

On

Behalf Of David Wong

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:04 PM

nokillcity@gro <nokillcity%40> ups.com;

Angelina Chen; Pamela Lay; pet lover;

charlotte; Animal Earth Forum °Êª«¦a²y°Q½×°Ï; burrowsx@netvigator

<burrowsx%40netvigator.com> .com; Dave

Burrows; tonyjames (AT) cuhk (DOT) <tonyjames%40cuhk.edu.hk> edu.hk; Wong Hon

Ming; Wong Hon Ming; Anthony Lam

[nokillcity] My summary of meeting Panel (13-May) on Food Safety

and Environmental Hygiene

 

Dear All,

 

Yesterday's news coverage here: http://www.animalea

<http://www.animalea <http://www.animalearth.org/forum/index.php?topic=2497.

msg15329#msg15329> rth.org/forum/index.php?topic=2497.msg15329#msg15329>

rth.org/forum/index.php?topic=2497.msg15329#msg15329

Not bad amidst the earthquake!

 

Recap of the panel meeting (13-May)

 

These were the main points discussed in the meeting, as far as I can recall

:

 

** Comments from NGOs/deputations

 

1. All the NGOs & the HK Breeders Association presented their views.

Each org had about 3 minutes to speak

2. HK Breeders Association said that they would like pet breedings to

be licencsed/controlled in the same way as other " livestocks " like

pigs/chickens/cows.

3. Animal Earth welcomed the amendments but questionned the rational

and afcd's " consultation " process leading up to the hobby breeder loophole,

i.e. (f)(iii)

4. Animal Earth stressed the need for transparently, responsibly, &

humanely treating any affected animals when the new law comes into effect

5. HK Pet Friends Union questionned the rationale for the

" 1-breed-2-bitches " and suggested that breeding frequency would be more

appropriate to protect the well-being of the animals concerned

6. HK Pet Friends Union provided overseas (New Jersey)'s experience in

prohibiting dog breedings to exceed one litter per year

7. SPCA welcomed the new conditions, but has reservation also on

(f)(iii)

8. Hong Kong Veterinary Association welcomed the amendment

9. Dr Katriona Bradley welcomed the amendment

10. Ms HO Loy welcomed the amendment but also expressed concern in the

hobby breeders loophole

 

** Comments from LEGCO Members

 

Mr Albert Ho -- questionned whether licensing for pet traders and

breeders are different; questioned the rationale being the hobby breeder

loophole; suggested waiver for agricultural land use can be obtained for

breeders operation

 

Mr Wong Yung Kan -- requested that proper breeder licensing should be

explored instead of allowing hobby breeders, and mixing up with animal

trader licences

 

Ms Salina Chow -- requested the hobby breeder loophole be removed; asked

afcd why it could take 9 months for breeding operations to obtain proper

licence; demanded that the bill be thoroughly studied before bringing to

legco again.

 

Ms Audrey Eu -- questionned the rationale & practicality behind the

hobby breeder, specifically the feasibility of controlling, detected the

1-breed-2-bitches requirement for home breeders

 

Mr Cheung Yu-yan (Chairman) -- overall, not satisfied with AFCD's

explanations especially on the lengthy licencing procedures, the

non-one-stop-shop approach to licensing, and the hobby breeder loophole;

blaming afcd officials for taking members " round and round and round without

answering members' queries " ; asked afcd to go back and provide work out a

thorough scheme.

 

That's all I can remember.

If anybody who attended has anything to supplement, please do.

 

David

 

_____

 

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RE: LEGCO PROTEST - URGENT, at meeting (13-May) Panel on Food

Safety and Environmental Hygiene]

Mon, 12 May 2008 22:02:35 +0800

 

Dear All,

 

All set for tomorrow !!

 

Protest: 1:45pm, 13-May Tuesday, at LEGCO building entrance.

 

Bring your weapons! (slogans & signs )

 

See you

 

David

 

FYI, the panel meeting will come to our agenda item around 4:15pm

 

_____

 

David Wong [ky@davidwong <ky (AT) davidwong (DOT)

<ky%40davidwong.org> org> .org]

Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:07 PM

Lamma Animal Protection; Dr John Wedderburn; Sally Andersen; Angie

Scott; burrowsx@netvigator <burrowsx@netvigator

<burrowsx%40netvigator.com> .com> .com; Angie

Chen; Pamela Lay; pet lover; marian (AT) hkalleycats (DOT) <marian (AT) hkalleycats (DOT)

com> com

LEGCO PROTEST - URGENT, at meeting (13-May) Panel on Food Safety

and Environmental Hygiene]

 

Dear All,

 

*** SUPER URGENT ***

Will stage a protest next Tuesday 13-May at LEGCO.

Topic: Huge loophole allowing bad breeders to do business

Event: Protest outside LEGCO entrance while Panel meeting held inside

(which could pass the bad law)

 

Please join & call up people & dogs.

Please create & bring your own slogans!!!!

 

David

 

-------

 

Subject:

 

Re: [Fwd: Re: Request to attend meeting (13-May) Panel on Food Safety and

Environmental Hygiene]

 

Date:

 

Thu, 08 May 2008 14:52:07 +0800

 

 

 

David Wong <ky (AT) davidwong (DOT) <ky%40davidwong.org> org>

<ky (AT) davidwong (DOT) <ky%40davidwong.org> org>

 

To:

 

Angie Scott <angie_scott@ <angie_scott%40hotmail.com> hotmail.

com> <angie_scott@ <angie_scott%40hotmail.com> hotmail.com>

 

Angie, YES YES YES.

 

Please do.

Bring your own creation of whatever gadgets that can get frontpage coverage.

XXXL size please. And, please call up people and dogs.

 

I will make a huge elephant+rat hole in the wall.

Let's make it a bonanza of yelling at the govt --- " BAD BREEDERS COME TO

PLAY. ANIMALS WITH HELL TO STAY.... "

Any other slogan? Feel free to throw in your ideas.

 

Tentatively, gather 1:45pm, 13-May Tuesday, at LEGCO building entrance.

OK, let's go tell people then!!

 

What's your phone? Let's SMS if need be.

 

I'll call the reporters.

 

David

 

Angie Scott wrote:

 

How's things going ?

 

What's the latest on the protest ?

 

Should we just make a big LOOP out of a rubber hose and hold it up with a

banner at the top saying " current loop hole " and lets get all our friends

pet shop dogs walking through it. I have 3 and my friends 3 pet shop dogs

we can put a label around the dogs neck saying " I was a pet shop dog " I

have all my vet bills from all the problems they have from BAD BREEDING !!!

 

A

 

_____

 

Tue, 6 May 2008 15:50:10 +0800

ky (AT) davidwong (DOT) <ky (AT) davidwong (DOT) <ky%40davidwong.org> org>

org

angie_scott@ <angie_scott@ <angie_scott%40hotmail.com>

hotmail.com> hotmail.com

Re: [Fwd: Re: Request to attend meeting (13-May) Panel on Food

Safety and Environmental Hygiene]

 

so, how many people do u guess you can call up to the protest?

bear in mind it's a Tuesday afternoon

 

Angie Scott wrote:

 

yerrrrrrrrrrrrrr let's do it LOVE the idea !!!! My dogs were all sick

pet shop dogs - they all had luxating patella ....ofcourse I didn't buy them

from pet shops but adopted them after they had been dumped !!!

 

_____

 

Tue, 6 May 2008 15:31:55 +0800

ky (AT) davidwong (DOT) <ky (AT) davidwong (DOT) <ky%40davidwong.org> org>

org

angie_scott@ <angie_scott@ <angie_scott%40hotmail.com>

hotmail.com> hotmail.com

Re: [Fwd: Re: Request to attend meeting (13-May) Panel on Food

Safety and Environmental Hygiene]

 

We have lobbied some legco members to support us too.

And you're right, public attention is important.

 

Do you think we can stage a mini-protest outside legco entrance on 13-May,

as usual ?

Gimmick -- how about an elephant going thru a giant rat hole? meaning that

that tiny loophole (i.e. allowing hobby breeders) will bring huge

opportunity for unscrupulous merchants to exploit

 

Angie Scott wrote:

 

Ofcourse A.F.D wants us to all come out and support their amendments this

coming 13th May .... they seem a little worried as the pet traders have got

some Legco members to support them.

 

I am working on getting as many people to turn up .... but the average

member of the public doesn't seem to know that this meeting is happening

...... A.F.D asks that we as groups bring it to the attention of the public

in the next few days. hhhmmmmm !!!

 

 

_____

 

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