Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 What I mean is total trip is $1,250 including Airfare + all expenses. On Internet cost of air return ticket (economy) is Rs.35,000/- (US$ 875) approx. We don't have direct flights from India to Bali; either we have to go via Singapore or Bangkok or Hong kong. Travel Agent in india checks on web only. Anyways, I can only attend if someone sponsors Air-ticket. Rest other expenses I can spend by my own. We developed more donors, contacts last time. Thanks to Dr. Chinny Krishna, who well-organized the 2007 conference. I met there Philp & Trix Wollen from Australia who offered funds for New Ambulance, met Jolene Secondo from US & PCRM who brought lots of stuff like medicines, Pet Toys, Leash & Chains, Dog Food, Bowls etc which was very useful. I always thank them. I also met some vets & NGO's in rural Maharashtra there, through which we planned Donkey Health Camps in Pandharpur. Some of Indian friends who attended the 2007 conf. given on spot donations or promised were Bakul Khatao of Bombay SPCA, Brinda Upadhyaya of ASHA, and so on... I thank them. Regards, Nilesh Bhanage *: +91-251-2625059 Cell : +91 9820161114 " Hands that help are holier than lips that pray. " Kim Bartlett [anpeople] Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:58 AM aapn airfares AFA-2008 Importance: High Since it costs around $1,250 US for a roundtrip ticket (economy) from the US to Bali, it is hard to believe that airfare from India to Bali could cost that much. You should check online for good values and not go through a travel agent. Kim >Dear Mr. Gupta, > >Thank you for spreading the word. > >The cost of attending the 3 days conference [from India] comes up to >50,000/- approx [indian Rupees]. >(Including Air-Ticket, Visa, Hotel Stay & Local Transfers). The >air-ticket comes for around 35,000/- approx. (US$ 1250) + Conference >Fees. > >Do you think Indian NGO's can afford to send someone? We cannot afford >to spend this much money without being sponsored. > >(Although the past 2 conferences fetched us 2 gifts. A Digital Camera & >an Ambulance for Animals.) > > >Regards, > > >Nilesh Bhanage >www.pawsasia.org <<http://www.pawsasia.org/ <http://www.pawsasia.org/> >http://www.pawsasia.org/ <http://www.pawsasia.org/> > >*: +91-251-2625059 >Cell : +91 9820161114 > " Hands that help are holier than lips that pray. " > > >Shalabh Gupta ><aapn%40>aapn <aapn%40> > Please attend the AFA-2008 > >Respected Sir/Madam, > >It is good news for all of us, that " ASIA FOR ANIMALS -2008 " will be >held Bali (Indonesia) from 27-29, August, 2008. > >For more details about the conference, please visit the website: >www.asiaforanimals. org >For any query, please email : <AfAbali%40gmail.com>AfAbali <AfAbali%40gmail.com> ><AfAbali%40gmail.com> . > >I request you to attend the conference, publicize the event and >contribute in all the ways you can. > >We shall meet at some point again. Let's keep working for a better >day for animals. > >With best regards, > >Shalabh Gupta > >President- SPCA Moradabad City, India >Member- Indian Vegan Society -- Kim Bartlett, President of Animal People, Inc. Postal mailing address: P.O. Box 960, Clinton WA 98236 U.S.A. email <ANPEOPLE <ANPEOPLE%40whidbey.com> > web-site: http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/ <http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Dear Kim, The two airlines that have flights from Kolkata to Bali are Singapore Airlines and Thai Airways. Singapore Airlines costs around Rs.31,000, ie., $775, if we take $1 as Rs.40 roughly. Thai Airways costs Rs.37,000, ie., $925. These prices are the bare minimum for economy class, whether you book your tickets directly or online. Total costs do come close to Rs.50,000 inclusive of all expenses. To give you an analogy, if you consider the topmost spectrum of Indian corporate salaries, one could assume a figure of Rs.100,000($2500) per month, an amount that is paid only by the richest management firms and a very selected section of the IT sector. Animal welfare incomes are very far off this amount, both for organisations and individuals. Spending Rs.50,000($1250) for attending a conference for three days would mean a reduction of the highest amount of an Indian corporate monthly salary by half at one go. I leave you to draw your own conclusions on the economics and affordability of attending this conference without a sponsorship from India or any developing nation. Thanks for writing. Best wishes and kind regards, On 6/3/08, Kim Bartlett <anpeople wrote: > > Since it costs around $1,250 US for a roundtrip ticket (economy) from > the US to Bali, it is hard to believe that airfare from India to Bali > could cost that much. You should check online for good values and > not go through a travel agent. > Kim > > >Dear Mr. Gupta, > > > >Thank you for spreading the word. > > > >The cost of attending the 3 days conference [from India] comes up to > >50,000/- approx [indian Rupees]. > >(Including Air-Ticket, Visa, Hotel Stay & Local Transfers). The > >air-ticket comes for around 35,000/- approx. (US$ 1250) + Conference > >Fees. > > > >Do you think Indian NGO's can afford to send someone? We cannot afford > >to spend this much money without being sponsored. > > > >(Although the past 2 conferences fetched us 2 gifts. A Digital Camera & > >an Ambulance for Animals.) > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Nilesh Bhanage > >www.pawsasia.org <<http://www.pawsasia.org/>http://www.pawsasia.org/> > >*: +91-251-2625059 > >Cell : +91 9820161114 > > " Hands that help are holier than lips that pray. " > > > > > >Shalabh Gupta > ><aapn%40 <aapn%2540>> > aapn <aapn%40> > > Please attend the AFA-2008 > > > >Respected Sir/Madam, > > > >It is good news for all of us, that " ASIA FOR ANIMALS -2008 " will be > >held Bali (Indonesia) from 27-29, August, 2008. > > > >For more details about the conference, please visit the website: > >www.asiaforanimals. org > >For any query, please email : <AfAbali%40gmail.com<AfAbali%2540gmail.com> > >AfAbali <AfAbali%40gmail.com> > ><AfAbali%40gmail.com <AfAbali%2540gmail.com>> . > > > >I request you to attend the conference, publicize the event and > >contribute in all the ways you can. > > > >We shall meet at some point again. Let's keep working for a better > >day for animals. > > > >With best regards, > > > >Shalabh Gupta > > > >President- SPCA Moradabad City, India > >Member- Indian Vegan Society > > -- > Kim Bartlett, President of Animal People, Inc. > Postal mailing address: P.O. Box 960, Clinton WA 98236 U.S.A. > email <ANPEOPLE <ANPEOPLE%40whidbey.com>> web-site: > http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Due to the drastic spiralling of oil prices, airlines have hiked fuel surcharges five times in the past five months, passing on the additional burden to the passenger. Therefore for animal people of 3rd world developing nations it is difficult to shell out that much money to go & attend a conference, does not make sense either. Instead, AFA organisers/ sponsors could do best by alotting the collected funds to the needy NGOs working with animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 The cost of flying is high for everyone, even those with money. Airlines need to pass this " burden " to their customers as they are companies set up with the aim of making money, that is nothing new either. Having a conference abroad every 18 months is probably too much for most NGO's; maybe even the ones " with money " . The last one in India was not cheap either; flying there was expensive, rather old and dirty accommodation was priced over a hundred dollars a night. I think however that the bottom-line is if it is worth to go or not? As I can read in Nilesh remarks they raised an ambulance through this meeting and did some networking as well, so it looks like it was worth a lot, especially taking in consideration that it was a home-match for them. I was told by the organiser of this year that the aim of this years meeting was to have people talk about problems they faced and how they dealt with it and overcame these problems. Unfortunately I never heard about it again and I am afraid that we will be sitting listening again to one person after the other talk about their successes in the past and their future plans hoping for someone attending to help fund this. Not much to learn from for most of us I would think. So networking stays as one of the main objectives for attending. For Wildlife NGO's such as ours it is not very interesting as there are not many wildlife issues on the program again, taking that together with the fact that the meeting will be much the same as the last one we will probably not attend this year. Every dollar can only be spend once... if you have to spend them, spend them well. Edwin Wiek WFFT Thailand _____ aapn [aapn ] On Behalf Of AZAM SIDDIQUI Tuesday, 03 June, 2008 11:19 PM NileshBhanage Cc: aapn Re: airfares AFA-2008 Due to the drastic spiralling of oil prices, airlines have hiked fuel surcharges five times in the past five months, passing on the additional burden to the passenger. Therefore for animal people of 3rd world developing nations it is difficult to shell out that much money to go & attend a conference, does not make sense either. Instead, AFA organisers/ sponsors could do best by alotting the collected funds to the needy NGOs working with animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 As a one-time attendee (Singapore) from a tiny org in Nepal, I agree with the sentiments echoed in the past few notes re: expense and accommodations. I happened to be flying back from the Netherlands where our org had just been given a grant, so attending the AFA was not so much a burden then, but for the years since, the expense can not be justified in relation to our budget. Solutions? I suppose it would be very naive to consider mass-funding of air-fare sponsorships for presenters and even participants (but I have been accused of that before). Is there an alternative to donor-driven handouts? Observation: as a retired IT professional, I have followed the industry with nostalgia over the years and noticed this about trade shows and network conferences; there are far less of them then there used to be. Participation is down across the board in even the bigger shows like COMDEX, and less and less smaller businesses and private individuals attend. What is happening instead is of interest to even non-technologists, as the cost savings of virtual networking are starting to outweigh the inherent problems of this emerging phenomenon. Some interesting reading in this regard can be found here: * http://www.appscout.com/2008/04/virtual_worlds_2008.php * http://www.building.co.uk/sustain_story.asp?sectioncode=747 & storycode=310098 8 & c=2 * http://secondlife.com/whatis/ * http://elearningtech.blogspot.com/2007/05/conference-networking-tools-do-the y.html * http://www.cvm.tamu.edu/wklemm/Eight%20Ways/8waystoengage.htm Sample output from a successful Online Conference: http://www.jisc.ac.uk/whatwedo/programmes/elearning_pedagogy/elp_conference0 7.aspx Of course, there are a million other links in this regard, thanks to Google, but the point being that perhaps some of this should be explored by the organizers of AFA 2009. With the cost of a half-dozen tickets, something useful can surely be created for the dozens of folks who can¹t attend the conferences in real time. Recommendation: AFA should organize a team of folks (non-conference organizers and organizers of past events) to study the feasibly of an online component for the next event. The study should include budgeting and cost assessment, and a plan for a beta test of the online component. Seems like AFA 2008 would be a great place to get this work started. Too bad I can¹t afford to go this year, as my topic to present would have been ³Don¹t Just Bark Bite: Using Technology to Develop Sticky Animal Welfare Messages.² But maybe you can catch it next year online:) Jigs Advisor to www.animalnepal.org Edwin Wiek <edwin.wiek Organization: WFFT <edwin.wiek Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:42:03 +0700 AZAM SIDDIQUI <azam24x7 Cc: <aapn > RE: airfares AFA-2008 The cost of flying is high for everyone, even those with money. Airlines need to pass this " burden " to their customers as they are companies set up with the aim of making money, that is nothing new either. Having a conference abroad every 18 months is probably too much for most NGO's; maybe even the ones " with money " . The last one in India was not cheap either; flying there was expensive, rather old and dirty accommodation was priced over a hundred dollars a night. I think however that the bottom-line is if it is worth to go or not? As I can read in Nilesh remarks they raised an ambulance through this meeting and did some networking as well, so it looks like it was worth a lot, especially taking in consideration that it was a home-match for them. I was told by the organiser of this year that the aim of this years meeting was to have people talk about problems they faced and how they dealt with it and overcame these problems. Unfortunately I never heard about it again and I am afraid that we will be sitting listening again to one person after the other talk about their successes in the past and their future plans hoping for someone attending to help fund this. Not much to learn from for most of us I would think. So networking stays as one of the main objectives for attending. For Wildlife NGO's such as ours it is not very interesting as there are not many wildlife issues on the program again, taking that together with the fact that the meeting will be much the same as the last one we will probably not attend this year. Every dollar can only be spend once... if you have to spend them, spend them well. Edwin Wiek WFFT Thailand _____ aapn <aapn%40> [aapn <aapn%40> ] On Behalf Of AZAM SIDDIQUI Tuesday, 03 June, 2008 11:19 PM NileshBhanage Cc: aapn <aapn%40> Re: airfares AFA-2008 Due to the drastic spiralling of oil prices, airlines have hiked fuel surcharges five times in the past five months, passing on the additional burden to the passenger. Therefore for animal people of 3rd world developing nations it is difficult to shell out that much money to go & attend a conference, does not make sense either. Instead, AFA organisers/ sponsors could do best by alotting the collected funds to the needy NGOs working with animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I really like Jiggy's suggestion. I for one am feeling sad about the fact that I won't be able to attend AFA 2008. There's no prospect of being able to join any other animal welfare conference in the near future. I would definetely join an online conference if given the opportunity. One other thing we did in Nepal is form a network among reputed local AW orgs. Such a network has the potential of providing us with much needed inspiration and new ideas. Another great (and relatively cheap) suggestion is to join an online course with Humane Society International US. See http://www.humanesocietyu.org/ On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Herojig <herojig wrote: > As a one-time attendee (Singapore) from a tiny org in Nepal, I agree > with > the sentiments echoed in the past few notes re: expense and accommodations. > I happened to be flying back from the Netherlands where our org had just > been given a grant, so attending the AFA was not so much a burden then, but > for the years since, the expense can not be justified in relation to our > budget. Solutions? > > I suppose it would be very naive to consider mass-funding of air-fare > sponsorships for presenters and even participants (but I have been accused > of that before). Is there an alternative to donor-driven handouts? > > Observation: as a retired IT professional, I have followed the industry > with > nostalgia over the years and noticed this about trade shows and network > conferences; there are far less of them then there used to be. > Participation > is down across the board in even the bigger shows like COMDEX, and less and > less smaller businesses and private individuals attend. What is happening > instead is of interest to even non-technologists, as the cost savings of > virtual networking are starting to outweigh the inherent problems of this > emerging phenomenon. Some interesting reading in this regard can be found > here: > > * http://www.appscout.com/2008/04/virtual_worlds_2008.php > * > > http://www.building.co.uk/sustain_story.asp?sectioncode=747 & storycode=310098 > 8 & c=2 > * http://secondlife.com/whatis/ > * > > http://elearningtech.blogspot.com/2007/05/conference-networking-tools-do-the > y.html > * http://www.cvm.tamu.edu/wklemm/Eight%20Ways/8waystoengage.htm > > Sample output from a successful Online Conference: > > http://www.jisc.ac.uk/whatwedo/programmes/elearning_pedagogy/elp_conference0 > 7.aspx > > Of course, there are a million other links in this regard, thanks to > Google, > but the point being that perhaps some of this should be explored by the > organizers of AFA 2009. With the cost of a half-dozen tickets, something > useful can surely be created for the dozens of folks who can¹t attend the > conferences in real time. > > Recommendation: AFA should organize a team of folks (non-conference > organizers and organizers of past events) to study the feasibly of an > online > component for the next event. The study should include budgeting and cost > assessment, and a plan for a beta test of the online component. Seems like > AFA 2008 would be a great place to get this work started. > > Too bad I can¹t afford to go this year, as my topic to present would have > been ³Don¹t Just Bark Bite: Using Technology to Develop Sticky Animal > Welfare Messages.² But maybe you can catch it next year online:) > > Jigs > Advisor to www.animalnepal.org > > > Edwin Wiek <edwin.wiek <edwin.wiek%40wfft.org>> > Organization: WFFT > <edwin.wiek <edwin.wiek%40wfft.org>> > Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:42:03 +0700 > AZAM SIDDIQUI <azam24x7 <azam24x7%40gmail.com>> > Cc: <aapn <aapn%40>> > RE: airfares AFA-2008 > > > The cost of flying is high for everyone, even those with money. Airlines > need to pass this " burden " to their > customers as they are companies set up with the aim of making money, that > is > nothing new either. Having > a conference abroad every 18 months is probably too much for most NGO's; > maybe even the ones " with money " . > The last one in India was not cheap either; flying there was expensive, > rather old and dirty accommodation > was priced over a hundred dollars a night. I think however that the > bottom-line is if it is worth to go or not? > As I can read in Nilesh remarks they raised an ambulance through this > meeting and did some networking > as well, so it looks like it was worth a lot, especially taking in > consideration that it was a home-match for them. > > I was told by the organiser of this year that the aim of this years meeting > was to have people talk about > problems they faced and how they dealt with it and overcame these problems. > Unfortunately I never heard > about it again and I am afraid that we will be sitting listening again to > one person after the other talk about > their successes in the past and their future plans hoping for someone > attending to help fund this. Not much > to learn from for most of us I would think. So networking stays as one of > the main objectives for attending. > > For Wildlife NGO's such as ours it is not very interesting as there are not > many wildlife issues on the program > again, taking that together with the fact that the meeting will be much the > same as the last one we will probably > not attend this year. Every dollar can only be spend once... if you have to > spend them, spend them well. > > Edwin Wiek > WFFT Thailand > > > _____ > > aapn <aapn%40> < > aapn%40 <aapn%2540>> > [aapn <aapn%40> < > aapn%40 <aapn%2540>> ] On Behalf Of > AZAM > SIDDIQUI > Tuesday, 03 June, 2008 11:19 PM > NileshBhanage > Cc: aapn <aapn%40> < > aapn%40 <aapn%2540>> > Re: airfares AFA-2008 > > Due to the drastic spiralling of oil prices, airlines have hiked fuel > surcharges five times in the past five months, passing on the > additional burden to the passenger. > Therefore for animal people of 3rd world developing nations it is > difficult to shell out that much money to go & attend a conference, > does not make sense either. > Instead, AFA organisers/ sponsors could do best by alotting the > collected funds to the needy NGOs working with animals. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 It will be nice if the organisers please compile the proceedings and put it into abook form and also release it on net, & nbsp;for the benefit of & nbsp;those not attending conference. Dr.Sandeep K.Jain --- On Wed, 4/6/08, Herojig & lt;herojig & gt; wrote: Herojig & lt;herojig & gt; Re: airfares AFA-2008 edwin.wiek, " AZAM SIDDIQUI " & lt;azam24x7 & gt; Cc: aapn Wednesday, 4 June, 2008, 7:10 PM As a one-time attendee (Singapore) from a tiny org in Nepal, I agree with the sentiments echoed in the past few notes re: expense and accommodations. I happened to be flying back from the Netherlands where our org had just been given a grant, so attending the AFA was not so much a burden then, but for the years since, the expense can not be justified in relation to our budget. Solutions? I suppose it would be very naive to consider mass-funding of air-fare sponsorships for presenters and even participants (but I have been accused of that before). Is there an alternative to donor-driven handouts? Observation: as a retired IT professional, I have followed the industry with nostalgia over the years and noticed this about trade shows and network conferences; there are far less of them then there used to be. Participation is down across the board in even the bigger shows like COMDEX, and less and less smaller businesses and private individuals attend. What is happening instead is of interest to even non-technologists, as the cost savings of virtual networking are starting to outweigh the inherent problems of this emerging phenomenon. Some interesting reading in this regard can be found here: * http://www.appscout .com/2008/ 04/virtual_ worlds_2008. php * http://www.building .co.uk/sustain_ story.asp? sectioncode= 747 & amp;storycode= 310098 8 & amp;c=2 * http://secondlife. com/whatis/ * http://elearningtec h.blogspot. com/2007/ 05/conference- networking- tools-do- the y.html * http://www.cvm. tamu.edu/ wklemm/Eight% 20Ways/8waystoen gage.htm Sample output from a successful Online Conference: http://www.jisc. ac.uk/whatwedo/ programmes/ elearning_ pedagogy/ elp_conference0 7.aspx Of course, there are a million other links in this regard, thanks to Google, but the point being that perhaps some of this should be explored by the organizers of AFA 2009. With the cost of a half-dozen tickets, something useful can surely be created for the dozens of folks who can¹t attend the conferences in real time. Recommendation: AFA should organize a team of folks (non-conference organizers and organizers of past events) to study the feasibly of an online component for the next event. The study should include budgeting and cost assessment, and a plan for a beta test of the online component. Seems like AFA 2008 would be a great place to get this work started. Too bad I can¹t afford to go this year, as my topic to present would have been ³Don¹t Just Bark & shy; Bite: Using Technology to Develop Sticky Animal Welfare Messages.² But maybe you can catch it next year online:) Jigs Advisor to www.animalnepal. org Edwin Wiek & lt;edwin.wiek (AT) wfft (DOT) org & gt; Organization: WFFT & lt;edwin.wiek (AT) wfft (DOT) org & gt; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:42:03 +0700 AZAM SIDDIQUI & lt;azam24x7 (AT) gmail (DOT) com & gt; Cc: & lt;aapn & gt; RE: airfares AFA-2008 The cost of flying is high for everyone, even those with money. Airlines need to pass this " burden " to their customers as they are companies set up with the aim of making money, that is nothing new either. Having a conference abroad every 18 months is probably too much for most NGO's; maybe even the ones " with money " . The last one in India was not cheap either; flying there was expensive, rather old and dirty accommodation was priced over a hundred dollars a night. I think however that the bottom-line is if it is worth to go or not? As I can read in Nilesh remarks they raised an ambulance through this meeting and did some networking as well, so it looks like it was worth a lot, especially taking in consideration that it was a home-match for them. I was told by the organiser of this year that the aim of this years meeting was to have people talk about problems they faced and how they dealt with it and overcame these problems. Unfortunately I never heard about it again and I am afraid that we will be sitting listening again to one person after the other talk about their successes in the past and their future plans hoping for someone attending to help fund this. Not much to learn from for most of us I would think. So networking stays as one of the main objectives for attending. For Wildlife NGO's such as ours it is not very interesting as there are not many wildlife issues on the program again, taking that together with the fact that the meeting will be much the same as the last one we will probably not attend this year. Every dollar can only be spend once... if you have to spend them, spend them well. Edwin Wiek WFFT Thailand _____ aapn & lt;aapn% 40. com & gt; [aapn & lt;aapn% 40. com & gt; ] On Behalf Of AZAM SIDDIQUI Tuesday, 03 June, 2008 11:19 PM NileshBhanage Cc: aapn & lt;aapn% 40. com & gt; Re: airfares AFA-2008 Due to the drastic spiralling of oil prices, airlines have hiked fuel surcharges five times in the past five months, passing on the additional burden to the passenger. Therefore for animal people of 3rd world developing nations it is difficult to shell out that much money to go & amp; attend a conference, does not make sense either. Instead, AFA organisers/ sponsors could do best by alotting the collected funds to the needy NGOs working with animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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