Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 As far as my philosophy concern, He is bad person who does business on someone's life. Regards, Nilesh Bhanage Executive - Operations Tel : 0251 - 2625059 Cell : 09820161114 E-mail : nileshbhanage Web : www.asbindia.com " Hand that help is more holier than lips that pray! " Merritt Clifton [anmlpepl] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:20 PM aapn Hogs, heroism, hypocrisy, & high water Further to the Sharon Begley article Kim posted about the mental processes behind hypocrisy, and Kim's observations about the problematic aspects of doing disaster relief that " saves " animals only to be transported & slaughtered-- Iowa pig farmer Ron Lanz, 36, responded to flood warnings by sending 1,000 pigs to slaughter, and sending 1,800 pigs to a feedlot to be fattened in preparation for slaughter. By then the water was so high and had begun rising so fast that Lanz fled for his life, leaving 800 pigs marooned in a shed where they would probably drown. Lanz felt so bad about leaving the pigs to drown that the next day he rowed a boat to the shed and found all the pigs still alive. He forced the door open so that they could escape. 24 hours later, he found 30 pigs still alive on a patch of high ground, and resolved to rebuild his herd and continue pig farming. Most likely many & perhaps all of the rest of the pigs are now scattered throughout the countryside, augmenting the already large U.S. feral pig population. Your moral philosophy question for the day: is Lanz a good guy, a bad guy, a bit of both, a bit mixed up, or just plain crazy? -- Merritt Clifton Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE P.O. Box 960 Clinton, WA 98236 Telephone: 360-579-2505 Fax: 360-579-2575 E-mail: anmlpepl <anmlpepl%40whidbey.com> Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide, founded in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes the decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal protection organizations. We have no alignment or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; for free sample, send address.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Yeah, if we are going to talk philosophically, it boils down to an almost unsolvable conundrum. As long as there are people who eat meat, there will be animal farmers that sell meat, and people who oppose the killing of animals - and the eating of meat. And as long as there has been history, people have been eating meat. So we have come full circle. Any opposition to this inevitable circle may just be what was suggested: ³crazy² UNLESS the course of history is radically changed, and people stop eating meat. As for poor Lanz, he is perhaps as crazy as the rest of us here. Jigs NileshBhanage <NileshBhanage Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:01:48 +0530 Merritt Clifton <anmlpepl Cc: <aapn > RE: Hogs, heroism, hypocrisy, & high water As far as my philosophy concern, He is bad person who does business on someone's life. Regards, Nilesh Bhanage Executive - Operations Tel : 0251 - 2625059 Cell : 09820161114 E-mail : nileshbhanage <nileshbhanage%40asbi.co.in> Web : www.asbindia.com " Hand that help is more holier than lips that pray! " Merritt Clifton [anmlpepl <anmlpepl%40whidbey.com> ] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:20 PM aapn <aapn%40> Hogs, heroism, hypocrisy, & high water Further to the Sharon Begley article Kim posted about the mental processes behind hypocrisy, and Kim's observations about the problematic aspects of doing disaster relief that " saves " animals only to be transported & slaughtered-- Iowa pig farmer Ron Lanz, 36, responded to flood warnings by sending 1,000 pigs to slaughter, and sending 1,800 pigs to a feedlot to be fattened in preparation for slaughter. By then the water was so high and had begun rising so fast that Lanz fled for his life, leaving 800 pigs marooned in a shed where they would probably drown. Lanz felt so bad about leaving the pigs to drown that the next day he rowed a boat to the shed and found all the pigs still alive. He forced the door open so that they could escape. 24 hours later, he found 30 pigs still alive on a patch of high ground, and resolved to rebuild his herd and continue pig farming. Most likely many & perhaps all of the rest of the pigs are now scattered throughout the countryside, augmenting the already large U.S. feral pig population. Your moral philosophy question for the day: is Lanz a good guy, a bad guy, a bit of both, a bit mixed up, or just plain crazy? -- Merritt Clifton Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE P.O. Box 960 Clinton, WA 98236 Telephone: 360-579-2505 Fax: 360-579-2575 E-mail: anmlpepl <anmlpepl%40whidbey.com> <anmlpepl%40whidbey.com> Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide, founded in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes the decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal protection organizations. We have no alignment or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; for free sample, send address.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 I think it is easy to call the farmer a devil for very obvious reasons and he certainly isn't an angel, but I would be inclined to put him in the category of being " morally neutral " and susceptible to both good and bad influences, which is by far the largest category of human beings. Some people have a " good " orientation and some have a " bad " orientation; most people lack their own internal orientation - which comes from having a developed conscience - and tend to go along with wherever the majority wind blows them. Moral progress of civilization occurs when there is an increase in the " good " and a decrease in the " bad. " It is a slow process, and the rate of human population growth tends to outstrip the gains we would otherwise make through humane education and setting personal examples, but there is nothing for us to do but to keep trying. Kim >A momentary spurt of emotions, in which he heard his conscience is not >much of a reason to treat the farmer as an angel, he is still a devil >for all practical reasons. Unless that from that moment he leaves the >business for ever. > >After a week, he would again be confining pigs in crate like >enclosures that will give them no way to turn-around. sows will be >seperated from their babies and both will keep wailing and dying to >meet each other. > >He would have no qualms docking their tails and fattening them till >their legs buckle under their own weight. When they are heavy enough >they will be sent away to remain hungry for last few days as feed >wont convert to meat. And in full view of other pigs he will be >brutally slaughtered, going through an agony of hours. > >Now, if this 'farmer' is a part of the industry that requires all the >above and he happily gains from profits, he deserves no sympathy. He >would not be moved to see the poor animals crying for mercy and asking >for life, but he will let the electric saw cut the animal into pieces. >And the fact is, if he doesn't do the above, he will not survive in >business. > >Education on animal welfare should only be considered for those animal >'owners' who are really illiterate and incapable to thinking about >their animals, and where a little education can change their attitude. >And this will also only work where animal welfare and animal use are >possible at the same time and the 'owner' has a heart and mind that >can be provoked to think and be compassionate. > >Should, an AWO or ARO rescue these animals? Only if they can be >sheltered forever. > >-- >Manoj Oswal, >People for Animals - Pune > -- Kim Bartlett, President of Animal People, Inc. Postal mailing address: P.O. Box 960, Clinton WA 98236 U.S.A. email <ANPEOPLE web-site: http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Maybe PETA can distribute some tons of their Bumper stickers < " IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS " > to the following WEALTHY and EDUCATED nuts: the Iowa farmer, his truckers, the butchers and those sitting at the dining table. There are two more options: 1. Prove in the court of law that the Iowa farmer and his mates are guilty of abuse and murder of innocent beings, and hundreds of Ron Lantzs and their companions shall learn what they are supposed to be doing. OR 2. Send the guys to school which may teach them what they should have learnt as children: MORAL SCIENCE. But then this science is something they would soon claim to have forgotten. > When Lantz himself felt as if he would be directly responsible for the pigs dying miserable deaths, drowning in their pens and farrowing crates, he released them.< I would presume that Lantz instead realized that he was nearing death as well due to drowning, and there are cases of even the hardcore atheist looking up to the heavens with folded hands. It was therefore because of the fear of God almighty that he may have decided to let go the pigs to wash away his some of his sins and seek blessings. His actions were certainly not out of compassion or kindness. Coz he was rearing animals for food. < When Lantz returned to the farm and found 30 survivors, he felt responsible for rounding them up and taking care of them, which to his mind meant raising them and their offspring for slaughter, but the slaughtering would be done by others. He did not feel responsible for that.< In a crisis that is experience by most of the humans, their ethics, responsibilities and compassionate attitude etc goes for a toss. And here we are speaking of a farmer who rears animals for food, can he be different? Why are wars fought at the cost of the lives of the innocent, do we mean to say that our leaders who rule the world are not smart enough to see that responsibility of thousands of children being massacred. Yes once the war is over they do cry crocodile tears, lay wreaths, build memorials, and do all sort of tamashas just to fool some of us as to how caring and responsible they are. If this is the treatment meted out to the destitute human beings, imagine what would be the case of animals. > Analogies can be found in the mental processes of people who surrender puppies and kittens to shelters, yet go to extravagant lengths to treat the infirmities of their favorite pets; or who eat meat, yet donate to humane societies in support of rescues of the same species they eat.< Why analyze them? Would be a wastage of time and energy. Just identify them, blacklist them in the society, NEVER accept their money (but they definitely will). > Hardly anyone wants to feel responsible for animal suffering, even those who cause the most. < Again, awareness should be limited for school children or at the most till they are juvenile. For adults you have the law, the punishments, penalties etc. We should use them to reform the society and deal with the evils. The others would automatically follow the examples and move ahead in the right path. We need to build the FEAR FACTOR and add more FIRE to our passion of animal welfare rather than analyze the mentality of the humans. We animal people got to work like an ARMY and not POLICE. It is a Do or Die situation which requires a full scale operation on war footing. Azam On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Merritt Clifton <anmlpepl wrote: > None of the many commentators has so far mentioned what > appears to me to be the crux of the issue as regards pig farmer Ron > Lantz, and probably most people everywhere: the sense of personal > responsibility. > > When Lantz sent pigs off to slaughter by the thousands, his > sense of responsibility ended with closing the doors of the trucks. > Someone else was going to do the killing. Whatever suffering he > inflicted on the pigs in his role as farmer was ignored or denied. > In his understanding, the pigs were well-treated if they were of > market weight, healthy, and able to walk aboard the trucks. > > When Lantz himself felt as if he would be directly > responsible for the pigs dying miserable deaths, drowning in their > pens and farrowing crates, he released them. > > When Lantz returned to the farm and found 30 survivors, he > felt responsible for rounding them up and taking care of them, which > to his mind meant raising them and their offspring for slaughter, > but the slaughtering would be done by others. He did not feel > responsible for that. > > Analogies can be found in the mental processes of people who > surrender puppies and kittens to shelters, yet go to extravagant > lengths to treat the infirmities of their favorite pets; or who eat > meat, yet donate to humane societies in support of rescues of the > same species they eat. > > Hardly anyone wants to feel responsible for animal suffering, > even those who cause the most. > > -- > Merritt Clifton > Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE > P.O. Box 960 > Clinton, WA 98236 > > Telephone: 360-579-2505 > Fax: 360-579-2575 > E-mail: anmlpepl <anmlpepl%40whidbey.com> > Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org > > [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing > original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide, > founded in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes the > decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal protection organizations. > We have no alignment or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; > for free sample, send address.] > > -- United against elephant polo http://www.stopelephantpolo.com http://www.freewebs.com/azamsiddiqui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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