Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Dear all, I thank everyone who has taken the time and trouble to address this issue. It is true that there is a difference in approach in Western and Eastern attitudes to animals. I also appreciate the acknowledgement that AfA is principally an animal welfare forum and think it is magnanimous of Kim to suggest more animal rights issues in future AfA conferences. What I find disappointing is that the audience erupts into applause whenever there is talk of humane culling(as in Madras) and humane slaughter(as in Bali). Even in Singapore, a prominent animal welfare advocate mentioned that she found humane slaughter comfortable. Slavery is a good example where rights could not have been achieved by humane treatment. Also the movement against the death penalty regardless of the method of killing. Regarding the Egyptian fatwa, as a rationalist I think it is dangerous to advocate morality by issuing fatwas. I hope no one takes offence regarding this but Islam as a religion does not preach compassion towards human beings who are not Islamic, leave alone animals. I could quote scores of passages from the Quran to cement my view. The American writer Sam Harris has written extensively on this and I could share his writings with anyone interested to explore this issue further. Islam does encourage exploitation of animals. Also if we follow fatwas to be kind to animals, what prevents us from adhering to fatwas that urge individuals to fly aeroplanes into skyscrapers? Whose fatwa is authentic and why should I give more importance to one over another if both are coming from equally venerable sources? Regardless of what philosophical orientation we orient ourselves to regarding animal rights and welfare, it seems quite cogent that animal welfare accepts animal exploitation whilst trying to make abusive activities less cruel. Thus animal welfarists would find it acceptable to have two more square inches of cage space for a factory farmed chicken, elephant polo matches without the ankus, bigger and better enriched cages in zoos etc. But animal rights activists would like to put an end to these practices, ie., factory farming, animal entertainment and animal captivity. In my view, short term humane measures are only welcome in so far as they are a step towards phasing the practice out altogether. Being comfortable with welfarist measures might mean feeling less guilty whilst eating meat or seeing animals in captivity. Also welfare measures have been widely abused and compromised such as the 'Freedom Food' scheme of the RSPCA and live animal transportation in UK. Keith Mann has commented quite extensively on compromises made by animal welfare organisations whilst promoting better welfare schemes for animals that are eventually killed in his book 'From Dusk 'til Dawn'. I think the Bali Zoo is a good example of the conflict between animal rights and welfare. From the animal righst point of view, the zoo should be closed or phased out specially considering that ghastly conditions in which it is incarcerating animals. But the welfare perspective would push for better enrichment and improvement of enclosures. Improvement, I ask? Can anyone speak out for improvement of the bird cages that are at the entrance of Bali Zoo housing Golden Orioles? They are reminescent of the awful cages that people use to keep pet birds. The only solution I see is to open the doors of those cages and let the Golden Orioles fly out. Also I was left very disillusioned about what was planned for the future of Bali Zoo. During the zoo session, I heard all good things about improved conditions in the zoo. Then I visited the zoo and saw the concentration camp like conditions for myself. Later I heard the zoo is trying to procure elephants, perish the thought! And I also heard that the owner has fallen out with the consultant of the zoo who now wants it closed. Now it leaves me befuddled from both a welfare and rights perspective on what to do with the zoo. I personally suggested that the zoo should not acquire new animals and should not breed any more animals. From both the animal rights and welfare viewpoints, I reckon the suggestions stand their ground but from a purely welfarist stance one could argue for the continued existence of Bali Zoo through enrichment measures and better cages. The goals of animal welfare and animal rights can meet on occasions. We saw this during the elephant polo campaign and no one can deny that both welfarists and rightists have the wellbeing of the animals in mind. It is just that in many instances, animal rights activists take an extra step further. To take the example of Richard Dawkins on religion, we are all atheists in relation to Zeus and Apollo and the millions of Gods worshipped by ancient people. It is just that avowed atheists go one step further. So whilst I certainly am in favour of humane treatment of animals that will eventually be killed, I also emphasise that we should not forget that our ultimate aim is to put an end to the killing itself just as it is our objective to see an end to all forms of animal exploitation. Whilst we may differ in our approaches, there is no harm in talking. The AfA Bali conference was a good place to do this. I certainly had enlightening discussions with people harbouring different views and I hope that future AfA conferences will keep the channel of communication flowing between animal rights activists and animal welfarists. Best regards, Sincerely, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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