Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 , thanks for your kind words; I blush. Let¹s see how far this post goes. First, I had totally forgotten that this list is powered by a ! Shows you how often I use that. But that¹s good news for you in regards to your search question. Go to the page direct ( http://pets.aapn) and use the advanced search for finding posts based on keywords, author, and the like. On eating meat occasionally...please don¹t tell anyone:) But in my life I have been: 1. Born into a meat-eating family and weened on cow-based formula. 2. A McDonald¹s junkie, a militant vegan, a normal vegetarian, a lacto-vegan, a nothing-but-raw-vegetables-never-cut-as-not-to-hurt-them vegan, and someone who once worshipped crystals. 3. In other words, I have done it all, for varying degrees of time, measured in months to decades. Here is my favourite story in this regard (already censored once, but let¹s try again): I was visiting my 110% pure vegan friend during her daughter's 7th birthday party. It was a large affair complete with pin-the-petals-on-the-sunflower game and 100% recyclable party decorations. When it came time for the traditional blow-out-the-candles and happy-birthday carol, a huge tri-layered chocolate cake was presented to the throng of kids panting with anticipation. Even my mouth was watering at that time I was vegan and had not had a treat like that in over a year. The song was sung and candles blown and everyone dug in. You could feel, as well as see the transformation around the large outdoor table. The cake contained no refined sugars or sweetener harvested via the slave labour of bees. It was hard to tell what the cake was made of really, but that was not the real tragedy. The look on the birthday girl's face as she watched all her non-vegan friends spitting and choking said it all. I will never forget that party, nor the extremism of my friend and the disappointment of her daughter. After all, there is a time to " let them eat cake². But the moral here is that fundamentalism of any type is probably harmful to someone or something. I can¹t prove that, but the truth in that statement seems to jump out and bite me. On the other hand, I don¹t think that not eating meat is a fundamentalist view point. It¹s just very hard to do in the world¹s supermarket of dead flesh. I suppose the in-vitro production of meat from animal DNA is the technology of the future. Sounds like sci-fi to me, but so sounded humans going to the moon back in 1958. We can only pray that humans figure out some substitute before it¹s too late. As for me, I can¹t help myself; I will occasionally eat a hamburger if it¹s done well and I still hear carrots scream when I slice them. Cheers, Jigs in Nepal On 10/27/08 11:04 AM, " " wrote: > Dear Jigme, > Thank you for your latest post that is enlightening as > usual. Could you please clarify a point. Discussing the utility of forum > boards ou write : Eliminating the loss of knowledge inherent in email rings; > all posts are preserved for posterity online, and not in individual inboxes. > AAPN has a website where you can access all posted messages; they are > preserved according to date. I have visited the website occasionally but since > messages are preserved according to date, it is difficult to access messages > according to subject(eg., elephant polo, zoos, stray dog care etc.) Perhaps > you could comment on this so that the sytem could be better transformed? > I also appreciate your candour in admitting the fact that you eat meat > occasionally. When I posted the anti vegetarianism article, I knew it would > elicit virulent responses like the ones we got. I am grateful yours was not > one of them. > Regards and best wishes, > > Warmly, > > > > On 10/26/08, Herojig <herojig wrote: >> A NOTE FROM A TECHNOLOGIST (and Asian animal lover) >> >> Ah, the slippery slope of censorship and moderation of an email list...first >> let me say this post is not about the content of this list, but about the >> technology employed. The content here is grand, even if most of it is being >> disseminated into the virtual wind. This post is about the history of email >> lists like this one, and how technologists solved the problems of filtering >> content (ie. Asian vs. Indian-specific posts, and censoring (ie. >> Rubbish-for-some vs. Gold-for-others), as well the problem of email >> retention and lack thereof. >> >> To be brief, web technologists invented the forum board. Forum boards are >> abundant today (perhaps u have joined a few already) and that technology, >> referred to as a Content Management System (CMS) is already in it¹s third or >> fourth generation of development, meaning they are so easy to use and set up >> your 13-year can do it. Note: A forum board differs a bit from an online >> group, as in Google Groups, which is another evolution from an email list >> like this one. I¹ll explain that a bit later in this post. >> >> So, what would AAPN look like if converted to a forum board? How does one >> go about converting a list to a forum board? And what would that mean to >> all the users of this email list if this were considered? Will this mean >> more email or less email in my inbox? These, and other good questions >> abound... >> >> First take a look at one of my favourite forum boards: >> http://www.photoshopcafe.com/cafe/index.php >> >> I am a designer as well as an avid animal lover who occasionally eats a >> hamburger (go figure). So I like to learn, discuss, and research all topics >> about design. Photoshopcafe.com is specific but not exclusive to people who >> use photoshop in design work. Much like here in this list, where there is a >> specific area of interest (animals in asia) but an inclusive array of topics >> (welfare work, animal news, etc.). A forum board allows for the >> catorgization of an area of interest into something a bit more organized >> then the subject line of an email, for example in the case of >> photoshopcafe.com <http://photoshopcafe.com/> , designers can >> post/converse/debate inside of pre-defined >> topic areas like Photography, Web Design, Music, etc. The moderator¹s role >> here is to 1) set up the topics, whatever they may be, and 2) make sure the >> posters stay on topic. Most forum boards contain a bucket for ³other.² >> This ³other² is where anything goes posts that do not fit into the defined >> topics on the board - and is un-moderated. So one can quickly see from this >> example where technology has improved on the email-list by: >> 1. Clearly defining the topics of discussion for users >> 2. Providing a space for off-topic discussion >> 3. Eliminating the loss of knowledge inherent in email rings; all posts are >> preserved for posterity online, and not in individual inboxes. >> >> Now, going from an email-list to a forum board is non-trivial as we techies >> say. It requires a set-up that is usually a collaboration of the current >> moderator of the email list, web programmers, and the users of the list. >> Forum boards require dedicated web server space, either free or paid for, >> and also require a bit of work to setup. This transformation also requires a >> fundamental change in the way users contribute and read the information >> disseminated. User¹s log onto a forum board and interact online, and don¹t >> spend a lot of time in their dark recess of Outlook or other email package. >> Users don¹t get email conversations that stretch down to the floor and >> beyond, they go online and read them - after being notified that their >> topic of interest has been updated. Forum boards do not mean less email, but >> shorter and more targeted email. >> >> Now how is this approach different from Google or Facebook groups? Forum >> boards are a generation beyond online groups tech-wise, and do not solve the >> problem inherent in an email list (categorization of topics for easy >> moderation). Groups are really just another way to administer an email list, >> and quickly become as confusing as your Outlook Express inbox. Forum boards >> represent a fundamental change in the way information is accessed and >> stored. >> >> Well, I hope you have found this technology note of interest (and that it >> passes moderator approval). My purpose in writing the note is not to >> encourage a switch in technology or transformation of the AAPN email list as >> we know it today. My purpose in writing this note was to relay the >> inevitable evolution of email lists. Just as animals adapt to survive, so do >> internet users. The number of email lists is way down, now on the endangered >> technologies list, and the new habitat that everyone is being moved to is >> either a Group (think zoo) or to a forum board (think wildlife preserve). We >> should all be aware of the change. >> >> Jigs, Ex-programmer and knowledge worker. >> > > -- Paul Reitman, CEO Phoenix Studios Nepal Mobile: 9841589797 www.phoenixstudios.com.np/corporate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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