Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Forwarding what I received about the horrid things mankind can do to our wildlife. Yitze This YouTube film (see below) was brought to my attention recently. We have no way of knowing if this was once a wild orangutan. But, we do know Thailand has illegally imported many wild orangutans in the past. In fact, there are still 11 wild-caught orangutans languishing in cages in Thailand since they were first discovered and confiscated back in February. The chances are they will end up looking like and being treated in a similar way to the one in the film, because no orangutan NGO group I have approached so far will lift a finger to help them now. Let me know if you are prepared to help. Sad, though all this is, more shocking still is that I have been unable to persuade any orangutan or animal welfare group to provide even modest funding to an investigator (not me) to address issues like the orangutan in this film. As far as I know, and of course I could be wrong because I would never suggest I know what everyone is doing, it is just me personally and one other person using private savings to try and do something to help captive orangutans. Just how sad is this? Check out this film below. What you see is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to captive orangutans. Does anyone out there care enough to want to help them? Thailand Nong Nooch flower garden, obese *orangutan* sitting with tourists getting photos taken then later abused by a Thai zookeeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hi Yitze, The video is about two years old and is indeed a horrible thing to see. If you look further on the internet you will see this also happens in many other countries and most unbelievable even in zoos in the orangutan range states Indonesia and Malaysia. With no animal welfare laws it is very hard to fight this in Thailand, is it legal in your country or is there no law like here? I did not know that you have been asking to help the 12 (not 11) confiscated orangutans in Thailand. As a matter of fact we are helping financially with feeding the orangutans at the moment and have asked the authorities to hand them over to one of our facilities for the time being (before/if they are repatriated) as we think we can provide better care than they get now. The CITES offices in Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta have until today not replied if they would like to receive the orangutans back in their respective countries, although they have been asked officially 6 months ago, so not much progress there either. It leaves me wondering who the people are that are using their personal savings to help these confiscated orangutans, as I have seen no one but IPPL in the USA interested at all after we have made the authorities act on our official complaints. Edwin Wiek Wildlife Friends Foundation Thailand 108 moo 6, Tambon Thamairuak Amphoe Thayang 76130 Petchaburi THAILAND Tel/Fax: +66-32-458363 Mobile: +66-8-90600906 http://www.wfft.org SKYPE: wildlife_rescue FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/WildlifeFriendsFoundation --- On Thu, 22/10/09, yitzeling <yitzeling wrote: yitzeling <yitzeling (TH) is there anything we can do aapn Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 12:48 PM Forwarding what I received about the horrid things mankind can do to our wildlife. Yitze This YouTube film (see below) was brought to my attention recently. We have no way of knowing if this was once a wild orangutan. But, we do know Thailand has illegally imported many wild orangutans in the past. In fact, there are still 11 wild-caught orangutans languishing in cages in Thailand since they were first discovered and confiscated back in February. The chances are they will end up looking like and being treated in a similar way to the one in the film, because no orangutan NGO group I have approached so far will lift a finger to help them now. Let me know if you are prepared to help. Sad, though all this is, more shocking still is that I have been unable to persuade any orangutan or animal welfare group to provide even modest funding to an investigator (not me) to address issues like the orangutan in this film. As far as I know, and of course I could be wrong because I would never suggest I know what everyone is doing, it is just me personally and one other person using private savings to try and do something to help captive orangutans. Just how sad is this? Check out this film below. What you see is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to captive orangutans. Does anyone out there care enough to want to help them? Thailand Nong Nooch flower garden, obese *orangutan* sitting with tourists getting photos taken then later abused by a Thai zookeeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Hi Sonia, Of course I have the contacts and have tried this. I don't think this will make much of a difference. It is very clear to me that both the Malaysian as well as the Indonesian government do not want to receive these animals back. Malaysia already refused in 2006 and 2007 to consider taking in the 78 orangutans from Thailand, and Indonesia has at this moment no proper facility available as they rescue center already house over 2000 orphans and rescued orangutans on Borneo. If Malaysia accept them or would even consider it, they might be sending a signal that there is poaching and trade in orangutans going on in their country. Seems that the Sumatra operations are better organized, but the animals we are talking about now are all Bornean. Besides this will the costs of flying in the orangutans be extremely high. A CITES official remarked lately that " it would not matter so much in which country they are, at least the care and enclosures should be the best possible. Release back to the wild is out of the question we have been told so they end up in cages for the rest of their life, what does it matter what country they are in then? " he has kind of a point here. Edwin Wiek Wildlife Friends Foundation Thailand 108 moo 6, Tambon Thamairuak Amphoe Thayang 76130 Petchaburi THAILAND Tel/Fax: +66-32-458363 Mobile: +66-8-90600906 http://www.wfft.org SKYPE: wildlife_rescue FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/WildlifeFriendsFoundation notify [notify ] On Behalf Of rich4sonj Friday, October 23, 2009 9:37 PM edwin.wiek Re: (TH) is there anything we can do Hi Edwin Would it help you at all to have the contacts for the Director General's office of the Malaysian Wildlife Department? Sadly I think the nice guy who was DG when I was there has moved on and a rather useless lady has taken over, but might be worth a try? Kind regards Sonia aapn , Edwin Wiek <edwin.wiek wrote: > > Hi Yitze, > > The video is about two years old and is indeed a horrible thing to > see. If you look further on the internet you will see this also happens in many > other countries and most unbelievable even in zoos in the orangutan range > states Indonesia and Malaysia. With no animal welfare laws it is very hard to fight this in Thailand, is it legal in your country or is there no law like here? > > I did not know that you have been asking to help the 12 (not 11) > confiscated orangutans in Thailand. > As a matter of fact we are helping financially with feeding the orangutans at > the moment and have asked the authorities to hand them over to one of our > facilities for the time being (before/if they are repatriated) as we think we > can provide better care than they get now. The CITES offices in Kuala Lumpur > and Jakarta have until today not replied if they would like to receive the > orangutans back in their respective countries, although they have been asked > officially 6 months ago, so not much progress there either. > > It leaves me wondering who the people are that are using their > personal savings to help these confiscated orangutans, as I have seen no one > but IPPL in the USA interested at all after we have made the authorities act on > our official complaints. > > Edwin Wiek > > Wildlife Friends Foundation Thailand > > 108 moo 6, Tambon Thamairuak > > Amphoe Thayang > > 76130 Petchaburi THAILAND > > Tel/Fax: +66-32-458363 > > Mobile: +66-8-90600906 > > http://www.wfft.org > > SKYPE: wildlife_rescue > > FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/WildlifeFriendsFoundation > > > > --- On Thu, 22/10/09, yitzeling <yitzeling wrote: > > yitzeling <yitzeling > (TH) is there anything we can do > aapn > Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 12:48 PM > > > Forwarding what I received about the horrid things mankind can do to our wildlife. > > Yitze > > > > This YouTube film (see below) was brought to my attention recently. > > We have no way of knowing if this was once a wild orangutan. But, we do know Thailand has illegally imported many wild orangutans in the past. In fact, there are still 11 wild-caught orangutans languishing in cages in Thailand since they were first discovered and confiscated back in February. The chances are they will end up looking like and being treated in a similar way to the one in the film, because no orangutan NGO group I have approached so far will lift a finger to help them now. Let me know if you are prepared to help. > > Sad, though all this is, more shocking still is that I have been unable to persuade any orangutan or animal welfare group to provide even modest funding to an investigator (not me) to address issues like the orangutan in this film. As far as I know, and of course I could be wrong because I would never suggest I know what everyone is doing, it is just me personally and one other person using private savings to try and do something to help captive orangutans. Just how sad is this? > > Check out this film below. What you see is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to captive orangutans. > > Does anyone out there care enough to want to help them? > > Thailand Nong Nooch flower garden, obese *orangutan* sitting with tourists getting photos taken then later abused by a Thai zookeeper. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3805 (20090127) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3805 (20090127) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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