Re : Pet dogs damaging the environment, claims book

[Guest guest]

I see where you are coming from but there is a lot to say against keeping

any pets. Prince Charles has a Rainforest protection project. Here :

http://www.rainforestsos.org/

He does some environmental protection work, organic farming etc.

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jigs Gaton <herojig wrote:

 

> Shub, I am so glad u posted this one...saved me the trouble! But I was too

> upset when I read this in New Scientist the other day, as they used German

> Sheppard as the example, saying that my Krypto has a carbon “paw print”

> equal to 2 Toyota SUVs running full speed for 10,000 Kilometres. What a load

> of dog poop! There are an ever increasing number of pseudo scientific

> authors doing *anything *to cash in on the climate change frenzy,

> including using stupid titles like “Time to Eat the Dog.” Robert and Brenda

> Vale are just two examples.

>

> It’s all part of the concentrated effort to blame environmental ruin on

> you, your dog, and your hamster. This distracts us all from the burning of

> the rainforest and other massive corporate destructions taking place. The

> real thieves of the planet are roaming free, while dogs and hamsters are now

> under suspicion and soon to be indicted.

>

> I have not read the book (and it may contains valuable insight), but

> sensationalism at this height and at the expense of innocent animals is

> unacceptable and should not be condoned. Perhaps if the authors had titled

> the work “Time to Eat Your Slaughter House Owners,” I might be

> interested...but then again, that title would never make it to the NYT

> Bestsellers list...

>

> Jigs in Nepal

>

> Ps.If anyone does read this work, please let us know if Prince Charles is

> blamed there for raising carbon levels, as he does have a lot of pet frogs:)

>

>

>

>

>

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> **Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:22:26 +0530

> **AAPN List <aapn >

> ** Pet dogs damaging the environment, claims book

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6416683/Pet-dogs-as-b\

ad-for-planet-as-driving-4x4s-book-claims.html

> # Pet dogs as bad for planet as driving 4x4s, book claims Owners should

> consider doing without, downsizing or even eating their pets to help save

> the planet, according to a new book.

>

> By Paul Stokes

> Published: 7:35PM BST 23 Oct 2009

>

> Bo Obama Photo: REUTERS

>

> It claims that the carbon footprint left by domesticated animals is out of

> proportion to the size of their paws.

>

> A medium-sized dog has the same impact as a Toyota Land Cruiser driven

> 6,000

> miles a year, while a cat is equivalent to a Volkswagen Golf.

>

> Related Articles

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> - Anti-fouling campaign features toddler eating dog

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> mess<

>

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paign-features-toddler-eating-dog-mess.html

> >

> - Peta under fire over claim that it kills most animals left at its US

> headquarters<

>

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-over-claim-that-it-kills-most-animals-left-at-its-US-headquarters.html

> >

> - Pet Subjects: when dogs wake up, mother cats and prescription

> charges<

>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/4175725/Pet-Subjects-when-dogs-wake-up-mother-\

cats-and-prescription-charges.html

> >

> - Fury as Denmark proposes cull of mongrel But rabbits and chickens are

>

> eco-friendly because they provide meat for their owners while a canary or

> a

> goldfish has little effect on the environment.

>

> At the same time a pair of hamsters do the same damage as running a plasma

> television, suggests the book Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to

> Sustainable Living.

>

> New Zealand-based authors Robert and Brenda Vale base their findings on the

> amount of land needed to grow food for pets ranging from budgerigars to

> cats

> and dogs.

>

> They say an average Collie eats 164kg of meat and 95kg of cereals a year,

> giving it a high impact on the planet.

>

> But a pair of rabbits can produce 36 young annually, which would provide

> 72kg of meat and help decrease the owner's carbon footprint.

>

> Mr Vale, an architect who specialises in sustainable living, said: " There

> are no recipes in the book. We're not actually saying it is time to eat the

> dog.

>

> " We're just saying that we need to think about and know the (ecological)

> impact of some of the things we do and that we take for granted. "

>

> He explained that sustainability issues require us to make choices which

> are

> " as difficult as eating your dog " .

>

> Mr Vale added: " Once you see where cats and dogs fit in your overall

> balance

> of things, you might decide to have the cat but not also to have the two

> cars and the three bathrooms and be a meat-eater yourself. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ha! U bet there is a lot to say about keeping pets, but blaming the end of

civilization as we know it on poor Fido, is not one that I would waste my

time listening to. Btw, my reference to the Prince was in regards to his

foundation’s excellent TV commercial that has celebs with rainforest frogs

on their shoulders and laps. Now there is a way to make a point. Titling

your global warming poppycock “Time to Eat the Dogâ€, all the while knowing

that some people already do, is not what I call a good way to make a point.

Cheers,

Jigs “Boycott the Book†Gaton

 

 

 

 

 

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:36:20 +0530

AAPN List <aapn >

Re : Pet dogs damaging the environment, claims book

 

I see where you are coming from but there is a lot to say against keeping

any pets. Prince Charles has a Rainforest protection project. Here :

http://www.rainforestsos.org/

He does some environmental protection work, organic farming etc.

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jigs Gaton <herojig wrote:

 

> Shub, I am so glad u posted this one...saved me the trouble! But I was too

> upset when I read this in New Scientist the other day, as they used German

> Sheppard as the example, saying that my Krypto has a carbon „paw print‰

> equal to 2 Toyota SUVs running full speed for 10,000 Kilometres. What a load

> of dog poop! There are an ever increasing number of pseudo scientific

> authors doing *anything *to cash in on the climate change frenzy,

> including using stupid titles like „Time to Eat the Dog.‰ Robert and

Brenda

> Vale are just two examples.

>

> It‚s all part of the concentrated effort to blame environmental ruin on

> you, your dog, and your hamster. This distracts us all from the burning of

> the rainforest and other massive corporate destructions taking place. The

> real thieves of the planet are roaming free, while dogs and hamsters are now

> under suspicion and soon to be indicted.

>

> I have not read the book (and it may contains valuable insight), but

> sensationalism at this height and at the expense of innocent animals is

> unacceptable and should not be condoned. Perhaps if the authors had titled

> the work „Time to Eat Your Slaughter House Owners,‰ I might be

> interested...but then again, that title would never make it to the NYT

> Bestsellers list...

>

> Jigs in Nepal

>

> Ps.If anyone does read this work, please let us know if Prince Charles is

> blamed there for raising carbon levels, as he does have a lot of pet frogs:)

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------

> **

> **Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:22:26 +0530

> **AAPN List <aapn >

> ** Pet dogs damaging the environment, claims book

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6416683/Pet-dogs-as-b

ad-for-planet-as-driving-4x4s-book-claims.html

> # Pet dogs as bad for planet as driving 4x4s, book claims Owners should

> consider doing without, downsizing or even eating their pets to help save

> the planet, according to a new book.

>

> By Paul Stokes

> Published: 7:35PM BST 23 Oct 2009

>

> Bo Obama Photo: REUTERS

>

> It claims that the carbon footprint left by domesticated animals is out of

> proportion to the size of their paws.

>

> A medium-sized dog has the same impact as a Toyota Land Cruiser driven

> 6,000

> miles a year, while a cat is equivalent to a Volkswagen Golf.

>

> Related Articles

>

> - Anti-fouling campaign features toddler eating dog

>

> mess<

>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5812486/Anti-fouling-cam

paign-features-toddler-eating-dog-mess.html

> >

> - Peta under fire over claim that it kills most animals left at its US

> headquarters<

>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/5106600/Peta-under-fire

-over-claim-that-it-kills-most-animals-left-at-its-US-headquarters.html

> >

> - Pet Subjects: when dogs wake up, mother cats and prescription

> charges<

>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/4175725/Pet-Subjects-when-dogs-wake-up-mother-

cats-and-prescription-charges.html

> >

> - Fury as Denmark proposes cull of mongrel But rabbits and chickens are

>

> eco-friendly because they provide meat for their owners while a canary or

> a

> goldfish has little effect on the environment.

>

> At the same time a pair of hamsters do the same damage as running a plasma

> television, suggests the book Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to

> Sustainable Living.

>

> New Zealand-based authors Robert and Brenda Vale base their findings on the

> amount of land needed to grow food for pets ranging from budgerigars to

> cats

> and dogs.

>

> They say an average Collie eats 164kg of meat and 95kg of cereals a year,

> giving it a high impact on the planet.

>

> But a pair of rabbits can produce 36 young annually, which would provide

> 72kg of meat and help decrease the owner's carbon footprint.

>

> Mr Vale, an architect who specialises in sustainable living, said: " There

> are no recipes in the book. We're not actually saying it is time to eat the

> dog.

>

> " We're just saying that we need to think about and know the (ecological)

> impact of some of the things we do and that we take for granted. "

>

> He explained that sustainability issues require us to make choices which

> are

> " as difficult as eating your dog " .

>

> Mr Vale added: " Once you see where cats and dogs fit in your overall

> balance

> of things, you might decide to have the cat but not also to have the two

> cars and the three bathrooms and be a meat-eater yourself. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Did Fido choose domestication in the first place? The origin of pet keeping

points to the fact that people had become divorced from nature and thus

wanted animals up close. Just before the Rio conference in 1992, a

documentary stated that the amount of money Americans spend on their pets

would write off the debt of several Third World countries. Pet keeping in

the Western world has become a status symbol in many cases and has

absolutely nothing to do with spreading compassion because people who keep

them are consumeristic in nature leading highflying lifestyles damaging to

the environment. Indeed, that is the reason so many dog breeds have been

selectively bred. Criticism of pet keeping is not new as outlined in this

book. Way back in 1969, Kathleen Szasz wrote a book called 'Petishism : Pet

Cults of the Western World " in which she spoke of the misplaced attention

being devoted on this ostensibly compassionate endeavour. Other biologists

have examined both sides of the issue, including Konrad Lorenz and Desmond

Morris. I enjoyed reading the article. The authors have not blamed the dogs,

but their keepers. I have a dog, a pedigree dog, and I am quite willing to

listen to criticism of this exercise, indeed my mother and I do not see eye

to eye on the issue of pets because she believes it is cruelty to animals to

keep pets and no animal should ever be kept in a house.

So even if reading the article was time wasting, it was worthwhile. As

Bertrand Russell allegedly said, " Time enjoyed wasting is not wasted time. "

 

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Jigs Gaton <herojig wrote:

 

> Ha! U bet there is a lot to say about keeping pets, but blaming the end of

> civilization as we know it on poor Fido, is not one that I would waste my

> time listening to. Btw, my reference to the Prince was in regards to his

> foundation’s excellent TV commercial that has celebs with rainforest frogs

> on their shoulders and laps. Now *there* is a way to make a point.

> Titling your global warming poppycock “Time to Eat the Dogâ€, all the while

> knowing that some people already do, is not what I call a good way to make a

> point. Cheers,

> Jigs “Boycott the Book†Gaton

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------

> **

> **Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:36:20 +0530

>

> **AAPN List <aapn >

> **Re : Pet dogs damaging the environment, claims book

>

> I see where you are coming from but there is a lot to say against keeping

> any pets. Prince Charles has a Rainforest protection project. Here :

> http://www.rainforestsos.org/

> He does some environmental protection work, organic farming etc.

>

> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jigs Gaton <herojig wrote:

>

> > Shub, I am so glad u posted this one...saved me the trouble! But I was

> too

> > upset when I read this in New Scientist the other day, as they used

> German

> > Sheppard as the example, saying that my Krypto has a carbon „paw print‰

> > equal to 2 Toyota SUVs running full speed for 10,000 Kilometres. What a

> load

> > of dog poop! There are an ever increasing number of pseudo scientific

> > authors doing *anything *to cash in on the climate change frenzy,

> > including using stupid titles like „Time to Eat the Dog.‰ Robert and

> Brenda

> > Vale are just two examples.

> >

> > It‚s all part of the concentrated effort to blame environmental ruin on

> > you, your dog, and your hamster. This distracts us all from the burning

> of

> > the rainforest and other massive corporate destructions taking place.

> The

> > real thieves of the planet are roaming free, while dogs and hamsters are

> now

> > under suspicion and soon to be indicted.

> >

> > I have not read the book (and it may contains valuable insight), but

> > sensationalism at this height and at the expense of innocent animals is

> > unacceptable and should not be condoned. Perhaps if the authors had

> titled

> > the work „Time to Eat Your Slaughter House Owners,‰ I might be

> > interested...but then again, that title would never make it to the NYT

> > Bestsellers list...

> >

> > Jigs in Nepal

> >

> > Ps.If anyone does read this work, please let us know if Prince Charles is

> > blamed there for raising carbon levels, as he does have a lot of pet

> frogs:)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > **

> > **Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:22:26 +0530

> > **AAPN List <aapn >

> > ** Pet dogs damaging the environment, claims book

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6416683/Pet-dogs-as-b\

ad-for-planet-as-driving-4x4s-book-claims.html

> > # Pet dogs as bad for planet as driving 4x4s, book claims Owners should

> > consider doing without, downsizing or even eating their pets to help save

> > the planet, according to a new book.

> >

> > By Paul Stokes

> > Published: 7:35PM BST 23 Oct 2009

> >

> > Bo Obama Photo: REUTERS

> >

> > It claims that the carbon footprint left by domesticated animals is out

> of

> > proportion to the size of their paws.

> >

> > A medium-sized dog has the same impact as a Toyota Land Cruiser driven

> > 6,000

> > miles a year, while a cat is equivalent to a Volkswagen Golf.

> >

> > Related Articles

> >

> > - Anti-fouling campaign features toddler eating dog

> >

> > mess<

> >

>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5812486/Anti-fouling-cam\

paign-features-toddler-eating-dog-mess.html

> > >

> > - Peta under fire over claim that it kills most animals left at its US

> > headquarters<

> >

>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/5106600/Peta-under-fire\

-over-claim-that-it-kills-most-animals-left-at-its-US-headquarters.html

> > >

> > - Pet Subjects: when dogs wake up, mother cats and prescription

> > charges<

> >

>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/4175725/Pet-Subjects-when-dogs-wake-up-mother-\

cats-and-prescription-charges.html

> > >

> > - Fury as Denmark proposes cull of mongrel But rabbits and chickens are

> >

> > eco-friendly because they provide meat for their owners while a canary

> or

> > a

> > goldfish has little effect on the environment.

> >

> > At the same time a pair of hamsters do the same damage as running a

> plasma

> > television, suggests the book Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to

> > Sustainable Living.

> >

> > New Zealand-based authors Robert and Brenda Vale base their findings on

> the

> > amount of land needed to grow food for pets ranging from budgerigars to

> > cats

> > and dogs.

> >

> > They say an average Collie eats 164kg of meat and 95kg of cereals a year,

> > giving it a high impact on the planet.

> >

> > But a pair of rabbits can produce 36 young annually, which would provide

> > 72kg of meat and help decrease the owner's carbon footprint.

> >

> > Mr Vale, an architect who specialises in sustainable living, said: " There

> > are no recipes in the book. We're not actually saying it is time to eat

> the

> > dog.

> >

> > " We're just saying that we need to think about and know the (ecological)

> > impact of some of the things we do and that we take for granted. "

> >

> > He explained that sustainability issues require us to make choices which

> > are

> > " as difficult as eating your dog " .

> >

> > Mr Vale added: " Once you see where cats and dogs fit in your overall

> > balance

> > of things, you might decide to have the cat but not also to have the two

> > cars and the three bathrooms and be a meat-eater yourself. "

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>Did Fido choose domestication in the first place?

 

 

Yes. The available evidence is quite overwhelming that dogs

chose to live with people, not the other way around, & have

continued to live among people all over the world, regardless of how

badly they are treated, because they have co-evolved with us to live

off our refuse & the rodents who also consume it.

 

 

 

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