Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 TO WHOMSOEVER IT MAY CONCERN > " even the best groomed colony of eunuchs can't produce a single baby ! " .< It is comments like the above may only push the 'eunuchs' and 'transgenders' into a life of prostitution and beggars. *These lesser fortunate human beings who we call 'eunuchs'* have virtually no safe space, not even in their families, so as to be protected from prejudice and abuse. Animal people should stay away from making any derogatory remarks on a community in the greater interest of we being a minority in this BIG BAD world. The Government of India and the Indian Constitution even calls for respect of the right of the 'eunuchs' and makes it the duty of every Indian citizen.I It accords them a separate identity displaying a sign of true democracy. The Indian Passport Application form has three columns 1. Male, 2. Female and 3. Others. So you see they have the right to travel abroad with full dignity like you and me. The Indian Parliament has even seen members being elected our of free and fair elections who have been 'eunuchs'. On one hand we want to take the path of 'ahimsa' led by the Mahatma Gandhi on the other hand we go down to such cheap forms of absuive language. We all want our status as a minority to improve someday, and it shall show better results if we bring in even the 'eunuchs' and the not so fortunate creations of Mother nature to team up with us. Azam Siddiqui On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM, <debasischak wrote: > > > Dear animal loving friends, > For abc/ar program the AWBI has taken know-how from guys who have never > seen a single 'stray' in their lifetime in their respective motherlands and > prompting Standard of Practice (S.O.P.) of treatment and care for stray > animals, which is not available for 70% of human population in health care > in India!! > > The 'lack of focus' in the activists involved. whenever there is a 'real' > community issue which could be solved by a proactive approach, you won't > find any takers. but issues concerning 'so n so's' from international forum > always have a long que of co-defenders in india. somehow 'think > globally..act locally' is missing here! > > All must be watching with as much amusement as I am, how AAN is flooded > with ' thredbare debates' on issues by a whole lot of Indian Experts > ( An expert is a person, who avoids small error as he sweeps on to the > grand falacy- Benjamin Stolberg ). > None of these people have any power over the 'power that be' in the Govt or > NGO sector and none of them have ever legally fought, leave alone win, a > single case with the Govt. All they do, AAPN input apart, is to write to the > AWBI, a body which reminds me of a single analogy " even the best groomed > colony of eunuchs can't produce a single baby ! " . > > Hey friends, please do some fact finding on Delhi govt's plans for the > stray dogs for the ensuing C'wealth games. > *My concern is perticularly based on the fact that quite a few CW states > are human- rabies free, some even animal-rabies free. I'm trying to > visualize a marathon runner/cyclist being tailed by a pack of " community > pets " ........and its repurcussions! > Indian AWOs tend to give a 'make-believe' feel-good kind of view of the > scenario. A glaring example is the Avinash Patil episode, where every > 'somebody' gave a 'qoute' for Animal People story, and deafeningly silent > locally (in India), almost ostritch-like !! > *Very close to the games' dates,any protest/litigation will be brushed > aside (all the big names & AWOs included), as ANTI-NATIONAL, I'm affraid. > > Good wishes to all of you, Amen. > ********************** > > >I have only one question for Mr. manoj Oswal - have other NGOs who have > better set-ups and follow the SOPs developed by the AWBI been released any > money? > S. Chinny Krishna > > > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Lack-of-grant-makes-dog-sterilisati\ on-work-difficult/articleshow/5209918.cms > > Lack > > of grant makes dog sterilisation work difficult Prasad Kulkarni, TNN 9 > > November 2009, 04:24am IST > ************************************ > -- > Thank you for your compassion ! > With best regards, > Debasis Chakrabarti > Compassionate Crusaders Trust > http://www.animalcrusaders.org > > > -- http://www.stopelephantpolo.com http://www.freewebs.com/azamsiddiqui -- http://www.stopelephantpolo.com http://www.freewebs.com/azamsiddiqui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Azam Siddiqui is absolutely right. If animal people want some respect to be directed towards animals, the least they can do is respect the less-fortunate among humans. It is remarks like this that turns society against animal welfare. We must care about humans AND animals. Rude remarks certainly will not help the animal cause. The race against time is not a winnable one, but we must keep trying. As one who has filed cases and won, as well as worked with the people and the government and caused change, I can assure you that the latter is the better path, as we have so many converts and fighters with us. It is all very well to sneer at those who may not choose your path, but a democracy gives space for every body to do their own thing. Nanditha Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Azam, Well said. Just for the record, one of the most distinguished animal rights campaigners in UK now is Peter Tatchell, patron of the Captive Animals Protection Society. He is also a gay rights activist. See his essay below that compares animal rights to human rights. Thank you for your compassion!:-) Best wishes and kind regards, The book that changed my life - Animal Liberation by Peter Singer *Human rights and animal rights share the goal: ending suffering by Peter Tatchell * http://www.newstatesman.com/books/2009/01/peter-singer-human-rights New Statesman – 29 January 2009 There are many books that have influenced the way I see the world. One that stands out is Animal Liberation (1975) by Peter Singer. Probably one of the most important books of the last 100 years, it expands our moral horizons beyond our own species and is thereby major evolution in ethics. Singer was not the first philosopher to articulate the concept of animal rights. Over 200 years ago, Jeremy Bentham argued that many other species experience pain similar to human pain and that a “day may come when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny. " He proposed that the capacity to suffer, not the ability to reason, should confer on other creatures the right to be spared pain. Nor is Singer the last or most provocative thinker to the advance the rights of animals. With a glowing preface by African American author Alice Walker, Marjorie Spiegel’s book, The Dreaded Comparison – human and animal slavery (1988), compares the enslavement of animals on farms and in medical laboratories with the enslavement of black Americans. Even more shocking, in his essay Can the Treatment of Animals Be Compared to the Holocaust? (2006), David Sztybel suggests that despite some obvious differences, the mass slaughter of animals is ethically analogous to the Holocaust in the scale of suffering involved, and that there are significant similarities between the human abuse of fellow animals and the Nazi abuse of fellow humans. It was not until 1983 that I read Animal Liberation. Singer was the first person I had come across who voiced animal rights as a coherent moral philosophy and as a liberation movement on par with the freedom struggles of women, black and gay people. He argued that the abuse of animals was motivated and justified by speciesism – a notion of human supremacism which presupposes that the intelligence and technological mastery of our species gives us the right to oppress and exploit other species, regardless of the suffering caused. He proposed that speciesism is a form of oppression, comparable with racism, misogyny and homophobia. Singer identified sentience, including the capacity to experience pleasure and pain, as the common bond that unites animals, human and non-human. It follows logically, as well as ethically, that if sentient human beings have a right to be spared physical and psychological suffering then this right should be extended to sentient non-human animals that share our capacity to suffer. Their abuse in farming, sport, entertainment and medical research involves the violation of their right, as fellow sentients, to not suffer pain and distress. Singer’s philosophical framework linked together, in one seamless whole, the moral basis for both animal rights and human rights: if thinking, feeling beings have a right to be spared pain, we have a duty to oppose the abuse of both humans and other animal species. In Singer’s moral universe, cruelty is barbarism, whether it is inflicted on human or non-human animals. The campaigns for animal rights and human rights therefore share the same fundamental aim: a gentler, kinder world, based on compassion and without suffering. These ideas were eye-openers. I had previously only ever understood the issue in terms of animal welfare and the prevention of cruelty. My response? I phased out eating meat, ditched my leather jacket and began rethinking my politics. I had long been a left-wing socialist and had embraced the green agenda. Singer reminded me: socialism and environmentalism are not ends in themselves. Although progressive ideologies and social systems are valuable enablers of liberation, they are merely a means to an end, which is to maximise happiness and minimise misery. Abuses such as factory farming and anti-Semitism are wrong because they cause suffering, not for theoretical or ideological reasons. The same is true of imperialism, war, discrimination, unemployment, vivisection, slum housing, racism, and climate destruction. They result in pain, which is why ending them is moral and necessary. From Singer’s animal rights philosophy I extracted a renewed understanding that the ultimate aim of all progressive politics should be to halt bodily and mental suffering. Losing sight of this aim has led to left-wing horrors like Stalinism, where liberty is sacrificed, terror excused and suffering rationalised for the sake of the bigger, ideological goal of socialism. Too often the left is consumed by grandiose abstract ideas and political objectives, forgetting what ought to be its raison d’etre: love, compassion and a world where no being, strong or weak, suffers. Peace, justice and liberty are right because they end the pain of war, injustice and tyranny, not because of any intellectual theory or reasoning. Singer led me to realise anew that the real test of progressive politics is very simple: does it decrease suffering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Apart from this aspect. I think it is high time we all decide to not to use negative language towards any animal organization until an attempt has been made to find a solution with gentler words. I find that the SOP were truly designed by people who spent decades on stray animal management. In fact their commitment is to the extent that they got the word 'stray' changed to free roaming as... they are not lost pets... but animals who belong to the city and are free roaming animals. It may be ok to criticize a particular aspect of the SOP that is not confirming to animal welfare or too impractical... but rubbishing a whole report and bad mouthing the individuals without explaining their fault is not acceptable. The SOP is the best thing to happen to the ABC program as it helps taming the 'contractors' who have set up NGOs that run as business of ABC. The SOP makes it possible to get them to do what they are supposed to do and not what they just want to do. Manoj aapn , azam24x7 <azam24x7 wrote: > > TO WHOMSOEVER IT MAY > CONCERN > > > > " even the best groomed colony of eunuchs can't produce a single baby ! " .< > > It is comments like the above may only push the 'eunuchs' and > 'transgenders' into a life of prostitution and beggars. > *These lesser fortunate human beings who we call 'eunuchs'* have virtually > no safe space, not even in their families, so as to be protected from > prejudice and abuse. > > Animal people should stay away from making any derogatory remarks on a > community in the greater interest of we being a minority in this BIG BAD > world. > > The Government of India and the Indian Constitution even calls for respect > of the right of the 'eunuchs' and makes it the duty of every Indian > citizen.I > It accords them a separate identity displaying a sign of true democracy. > The Indian Passport Application form has three columns 1. Male, 2. Female > and 3. Others. > So you see they have the right to travel abroad with full dignity like you > and me. > The Indian Parliament has even seen members being elected our of free and > fair elections who have been 'eunuchs'. > > On one hand we want to take the path of 'ahimsa' led by the Mahatma Gandhi > on the other hand we go down to such cheap forms of absuive language. > We all want our status as a minority to improve someday, and it shall show > better results if we bring in even the 'eunuchs' and the not so fortunate > creations of Mother nature to team up with us. > > > > Azam Siddiqui > > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM, <debasischak wrote: > > > > > > > Dear animal loving friends, > > For abc/ar program the AWBI has taken know-how from guys who have never > > seen a single 'stray' in their lifetime in their respective motherlands and > > prompting Standard of Practice (S.O.P.) of treatment and care for stray > > animals, which is not available for 70% of human population in health care > > in India!! > > > > The 'lack of focus' in the activists involved. whenever there is a 'real' > > community issue which could be solved by a proactive approach, you won't > > find any takers. but issues concerning 'so n so's' from international forum > > always have a long que of co-defenders in india. somehow 'think > > globally..act locally' is missing here! > > > > All must be watching with as much amusement as I am, how AAN is flooded > > with ' thredbare debates' on issues by a whole lot of Indian Experts > > ( An expert is a person, who avoids small error as he sweeps on to the > > grand falacy- Benjamin Stolberg ). > > None of these people have any power over the 'power that be' in the Govt or > > NGO sector and none of them have ever legally fought, leave alone win, a > > single case with the Govt. All they do, AAPN input apart, is to write to the > > AWBI, a body which reminds me of a single analogy " even the best groomed > > colony of eunuchs can't produce a single baby ! " . > > > > Hey friends, please do some fact finding on Delhi govt's plans for the > > stray dogs for the ensuing C'wealth games. > > *My concern is perticularly based on the fact that quite a few CW states > > are human- rabies free, some even animal-rabies free. I'm trying to > > visualize a marathon runner/cyclist being tailed by a pack of " community > > pets " ........and its repurcussions! > > Indian AWOs tend to give a 'make-believe' feel-good kind of view of the > > scenario. A glaring example is the Avinash Patil episode, where every > > 'somebody' gave a 'qoute' for Animal People story, and deafeningly silent > > locally (in India), almost ostritch-like !! > > *Very close to the games' dates,any protest/litigation will be brushed > > aside (all the big names & AWOs included), as ANTI-NATIONAL, I'm affraid. > > > > Good wishes to all of you, Amen. > > ********************** > > > > >I have only one question for Mr. manoj Oswal - have other NGOs who have > > better set-ups and follow the SOPs developed by the AWBI been released any > > money? > > S. Chinny Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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