Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into landfill??? I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than the short use of our 'normal' bulb. Dilemmas! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Switch off for traditional bulbs > > Major retailers are backing the scheme, Mr Benn said > Plans to phase out the traditional lightbulb by 2011 have been announced by Environment Secretary Hilary Benn. > Mr Benn told the Labour conference he wanted to see an end to the sale of 150-watt bulbs from next January. > Less powerful traditional bulbs would be taken off the shelves in stages under the voluntary energy-saving scheme by 2011. > Greenpeace said the move was " long overdue " and would help the UK reduce its CO2 emissions. > Off for good > Mr Benn told the conference in Bournemouth: " The major retailers and the energy suppliers are now leading a voluntary initiative with the strong support of the lighting industry and of the government to help phase out traditional, high-energy lightbulbs. > > > > Not such a bright idea > " We need to turn them off for good. > " And so our aim is for traditional 150-watt lightbulbs to be phased out by January next year, 100-watt bulbs the year after, 40-watt bulbs the year after that and all high-energy lightbulbs by 2011. " > Mr Benn estimated that the move would save five million tonnes of CO2 a year and take the UK closer to its target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2050. > Greenpeace said most retailers had already agreed to stop selling high-energy bulbs following a campaign of its own. > Mr Benn said he also wanted to see an end to products such as energy-wasting TVs. > > > > Peter H > > > _________ > Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it > now. > http://uk.answers./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Older energy efficient bulbs you could not use dimmer switches with( not that I have any dimmer switches), but I believe technology has moved on and the newer ones can................could need to check that out. The Valley Vegan........... Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork Sent: Friday, 28 September, 2007 7:52:33 AM Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into landfill???I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than the short use of our 'normal' bulb.Dilemmas!Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Switch off for traditional bulbs > > Major retailers are backing the scheme, Mr Benn said> Plans to phase out the traditional lightbulb by 2011 have been announced by Environment Secretary Hilary Benn. > Mr Benn told the Labour conference he wanted to see an end to the sale of 150-watt bulbs from next January. > Less powerful traditional bulbs would be taken off the shelves in stages under the voluntary energy-saving scheme by 2011. > Greenpeace said the move was "long overdue" and would help the UK reduce its CO2 emissions. > Off for good > Mr Benn told the conference in Bournemouth: "The major retailers and the energy suppliers are now leading a voluntary initiative with the strong support of the lighting industry and of the government to help phase out traditional, high-energy lightbulbs. > > > > Not such a bright idea > "We need to turn them off for good. > "And so our aim is for traditional 150-watt lightbulbs to be phased out by January next year, 100-watt bulbs the year after, 40-watt bulbs the year after that and all high-energy lightbulbs by 2011." > Mr Benn estimated that the move would save five million tonnes of CO2 a year and take the UK closer to its target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2050. > Greenpeace said most retailers had already agreed to stop selling high-energy bulbs following a campaign of its own. > Mr Benn said he also wanted to see an end to products such as energy-wasting TVs. > > > > Peter H> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it> now.> http://uk.answers. /> For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 At 6:52 AM +0000 9/28/07, heartwerk wrote: >It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to >throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into >landfill??? > >I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and >certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with >our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light >properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for >two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car >and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no >street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is >pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so >convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the >batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than >the short use of our 'normal' bulb. > >Dilemmas! Yes, there are CFLs that are made to be used with dimmer switches. My main problem with CFLs, though, is that they contain mercury so must be disposed of as hazardous waste. Perhaps by the time the new laws go into effect, we'll have other choices, such as affordable and bright-enough LED lighting. AFAIK the most interesting and exciting work on low-cost, energy-efficient lighting is being done in countries that don't have a national electric grid. Another option for torches is to use a faraday torch, which doesn't need batteries. You shake it to produce light. I have a different type of batteryless flashlight, which has a hand crank -- very convenient, since I never have to check batteries. Yet another option is to use solar path lights, which recharge even in overcast weather , though they may not stay on late enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 yarrow Fri, 28 Sep 2007 9:49 pm Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs At 6:52 AM +0000 9/28/07, heartwerk wrote: >It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to >throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into >landfill??? > >I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and >certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with >our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light >properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for >two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car >and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no >street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is >pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so >convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the >batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than >the short use of our 'normal' bulb. > >Dilemmas! Yes, there are CFLs that are made to be used with dimmer switches. My main problem with CFLs, though, is that they contain mercury so must be disposed of as hazardous waste. Perhaps by the time the new laws go into effect, we'll have other choices, such as affordable and bright-enough LED lighting. AFAIK the most interesting and exciting work on low-cost, energy-efficient lighting is being done in countries that don't have a national electric grid. Another option for torches is to use a faraday torch, which doesn't need batteries. You shake it to produce light. I have a different type of batteryless flashlight, which has a hand crank -- very convenient, since I never have to check batteries. Yet another option is to use solar path lights, which recharge even in overcast weather , though they may not stay on late enough. Check Out the new free AIM® Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Hi Peter We had a look at the energy efficient bulbs yesterday. They all say they cannot be used with dimmer switches, timer switches or senser lights :-( We bought one for the sitting room to see if they still interfere with our television reception, and they don't :-) Jo - Peter VV Friday, September 28, 2007 8:40 PM Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Older energy efficient bulbs you could not use dimmer switches with( not that I have any dimmer switches), but I believe technology has moved on and the newer ones can................could need to check that out. The Valley Vegan........... Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork Sent: Friday, 28 September, 2007 7:52:33 AM Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into landfill???I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than the short use of our 'normal' bulb.Dilemmas!Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Switch off for traditional bulbs > > Major retailers are backing the scheme, Mr Benn said> Plans to phase out the traditional lightbulb by 2011 have been announced by Environment Secretary Hilary Benn. > Mr Benn told the Labour conference he wanted to see an end to the sale of 150-watt bulbs from next January. > Less powerful traditional bulbs would be taken off the shelves in stages under the voluntary energy-saving scheme by 2011. > Greenpeace said the move was "long overdue" and would help the UK reduce its CO2 emissions. > Off for good > Mr Benn told the conference in Bournemouth: "The major retailers and the energy suppliers are now leading a voluntary initiative with the strong support of the lighting industry and of the government to help phase out traditional, high-energy lightbulbs. > > > > Not such a bright idea > "We need to turn them off for good. > "And so our aim is for traditional 150-watt lightbulbs to be phased out by January next year, 100-watt bulbs the year after, 40-watt bulbs the year after that and all high-energy lightbulbs by 2011." > Mr Benn estimated that the move would save five million tonnes of CO2 a year and take the UK closer to its target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2050. > Greenpeace said most retailers had already agreed to stop selling high-energy bulbs following a campaign of its own. > Mr Benn said he also wanted to see an end to products such as energy-wasting TVs. > > > > Peter H> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it> now.> http://uk.answers. /> For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 We were unable here to find new bulbs that can be used with these switches/lights. It is interesting about the mercury. I also read on the BBC website article that they actually use more energy for production than the normal bulbs. Solar lights would not suit me in our front garden as I need a brighter light to be on for 1 or 2 minutes. Jo - <yarrow Saturday, September 29, 2007 2:49 AM Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs > At 6:52 AM +0000 9/28/07, heartwerk wrote: > >It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to > >throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into > >landfill??? > > > >I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and > >certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with > >our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light > >properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for > >two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car > >and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no > >street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is > >pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so > >convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the > >batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than > >the short use of our 'normal' bulb. > > > >Dilemmas! > > > Yes, there are CFLs that are made to be used with dimmer switches. > > My main problem with CFLs, though, is that they contain mercury so > must be disposed of as hazardous waste. > > Perhaps by the time the new laws go into effect, we'll have other > choices, such as affordable and bright-enough LED lighting. AFAIK the > most interesting and exciting work on low-cost, energy-efficient > lighting is being done in countries that don't have a national > electric grid. > > Another option for torches is to use a faraday torch, which doesn't > need batteries. You shake it to produce light. I have a different > type of batteryless flashlight, which has a hand crank -- very > convenient, since I never have to check batteries. > > Yet another option is to use solar path lights, which recharge even > in overcast weather , though they may not stay on late enough. > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 across from the farmers market at Temescal this morning there was a stand in someone's driveway, energy efficient bulbs that work with dimmers... small world jo Sep 29, 2007 2:53 AM Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Hi Peter We had a look at the energy efficient bulbs yesterday. They all say they cannot be used with dimmer switches, timer switches or senser lights :-( We bought one for the sitting room to see if they still interfere with our television reception, and they don't :-) Jo - Peter VV Friday, September 28, 2007 8:40 PM Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Older energy efficient bulbs you could not use dimmer switches with( not that I have any dimmer switches), but I believe technology has moved on and the newer ones can................could need to check that out. The Valley Vegan........... Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Sent: Friday, 28 September, 2007 7:52:33 AM Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into landfill???I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than the short use of our 'normal' bulb.Dilemmas!Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Switch off for traditional bulbs > > Major retailers are backing the scheme, Mr Benn said> Plans to phase out the traditional lightbulb by 2011 have been announced by Environment Secretary Hilary Benn. > Mr Benn told the Labour conference he wanted to see an end to the sale of 150-watt bulbs from next January. > Less powerful traditional bulbs would be taken off the shelves in stages under the voluntary energy-saving scheme by 2011. > Greenpeace said the move was "long overdue" and would help the UK reduce its CO2 emissions. > Off for good > Mr Benn told the conference in Bournemouth: "The major retailers and the energy suppliers are now leading a voluntary initiative with the strong support of the lighting industry and of the government to help phase out traditional, high-energy lightbulbs. > > > > Not such a bright idea > "We need to turn them off for good. > "And so our aim is for traditional 150-watt lightbulbs to be phased out by January next year, 100-watt bulbs the year after, 40-watt bulbs the year after that and all high-energy lightbulbs by 2011." > Mr Benn estimated that the move would save five million tonnes of CO2 a year and take the UK closer to its target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2050. > Greenpeace said most retailers had already agreed to stop selling high-energy bulbs following a campaign of its own. > Mr Benn said he also wanted to see an end to products such as energy-wasting TVs. > > > > Peter H> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it> now.> http://uk.answers. /> For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. wargasm wargasm one two three pit bull, pit bull, one two three wave those flags high in the air as long as it takes place over there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I hope I find some here before the other ones are not around then. Jo Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs across from the farmers market at Temescal this morning there was a stand in someone's driveway, energy efficient bulbs that work with dimmers... small world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I sent off a question to a lightbulb seller and this was their reply : Unfortunately there are no compact fluorescent energy savers available on the UK market that can be dimmed using a standard domestic dimmer. There are dimmable ones available in the US but the technology used is not compatible with all of the types of dimmer which are used here so these are not manufactured for the UK market. Energy savers can be installed successfully with most types of rotary dimmer (not the touch plate variety or remote control ones) but only if the dimmer is left full-on all the time. If you are considering buying a number of energy savers for use with dimmers which are to be left full-on then please try one before placing an order for several. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Saturday, 29 September, 2007 10:53:13 AMRe: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Hi Peter We had a look at the energy efficient bulbs yesterday. They all say they cannot be used with dimmer switches, timer switches or senser lights :-( We bought one for the sitting room to see if they still interfere with our television reception, and they don't :-) Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, September 28, 2007 8:40 PM Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Older energy efficient bulbs you could not use dimmer switches with( not that I have any dimmer switches), but I believe technology has moved on and the newer ones can......... .......could need to check that out. The Valley Vegan....... .... Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comFriday, 28 September, 2007 7:52:33 AM Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into landfill???I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than the short use of our 'normal' bulb.Dilemmas!Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Switch off for traditional bulbs > > Major retailers are backing the scheme, Mr Benn said> Plans to phase out the traditional lightbulb by 2011 have been announced by Environment Secretary Hilary Benn. > Mr Benn told the Labour conference he wanted to see an end to the sale of 150-watt bulbs from next January. > Less powerful traditional bulbs would be taken off the shelves in stages under the voluntary energy-saving scheme by 2011. > Greenpeace said the move was "long overdue" and would help the UK reduce its CO2 emissions. > Off for good > Mr Benn told the conference in Bournemouth: "The major retailers and the energy suppliers are now leading a voluntary initiative with the strong support of the lighting industry and of the government to help phase out traditional, high-energy lightbulbs. > > > > Not such a bright idea > "We need to turn them off for good. > "And so our aim is for traditional 150-watt lightbulbs to be phased out by January next year, 100-watt bulbs the year after, 40-watt bulbs the year after that and all high-energy lightbulbs by 2011." > Mr Benn estimated that the move would save five million tonnes of CO2 a year and take the UK closer to its target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2050. > Greenpeace said most retailers had already agreed to stop selling high-energy bulbs following a campaign of its own. > Mr Benn said he also wanted to see an end to products such as energy-wasting TVs. > > > > Peter H> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it> now.> http://uk.answers. /> For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 see, strighten up you lot.. if you behaved more like the 51st state, you wouldn't have this issue.... *sigh* Peter VV Oct 1, 2007 3:23 PM Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs I sent off a question to a lightbulb seller and this was their reply : Unfortunately there are no compact fluorescent energy savers available on the UK market that can be dimmed using a standard domestic dimmer. There are dimmable ones available in the US but the technology used is not compatible with all of the types of dimmer which are used here so these are not manufactured for the UK market. Energy savers can be installed successfully with most types of rotary dimmer (not the touch plate variety or remote control ones) but only if the dimmer is left full-on all the time. If you are considering buying a number of energy savers for use with dimmers which are to be left full-on then please try one before placing an order for several. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Saturday, 29 September, 2007 10:53:13 AMRe: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Hi Peter We had a look at the energy efficient bulbs yesterday. They all say they cannot be used with dimmer switches, timer switches or senser lights :-( We bought one for the sitting room to see if they still interfere with our television reception, and they don't :-) Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, September 28, 2007 8:40 PM Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Older energy efficient bulbs you could not use dimmer switches with( not that I have any dimmer switches), but I believe technology has moved on and the newer ones can......... .......could need to check that out. The Valley Vegan....... .... Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comFriday, 28 September, 2007 7:52:33 AM Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into landfill???I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than the short use of our 'normal' bulb.Dilemmas!Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Switch off for traditional bulbs > > Major retailers are backing the scheme, Mr Benn said> Plans to phase out the traditional lightbulb by 2011 have been announced by Environment Secretary Hilary Benn. > Mr Benn told the Labour conference he wanted to see an end to the sale of 150-watt bulbs from next January. > Less powerful traditional bulbs would be taken off the shelves in stages under the voluntary energy-saving scheme by 2011. > Greenpeace said the move was "long overdue" and would help the UK reduce its CO2 emissions. > Off for good > Mr Benn told the conference in Bournemouth: "The major retailers and the energy suppliers are now leading a voluntary initiative with the strong support of the lighting industry and of the government to help phase out traditional, high-energy lightbulbs. > > > > Not such a bright idea > "We need to turn them off for good. > "And so our aim is for traditional 150-watt lightbulbs to be phased out by January next year, 100-watt bulbs the year after, 40-watt bulbs the year after that and all high-energy lightbulbs by 2011." > Mr Benn estimated that the move would save five million tonnes of CO2 a year and take the UK closer to its target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2050. > Greenpeace said most retailers had already agreed to stop selling high-energy bulbs following a campaign of its own. > Mr Benn said he also wanted to see an end to products such as energy-wasting TVs. > > > > Peter H> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it> now.> http://uk.answers. /> For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. wargasm wargasm one two three pit bull, pit bull, one two three wave those flags high in the air as long as it takes place over there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Huh, you and your wrong voltage supply!, whats wrong with 240v eh? I thought we were the 52nd? Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Monday, 1 October, 2007 8:34:43 PMRe: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs see, strighten up you lot.. if you behaved more like the 51st state, you wouldn't have this issue.... *sigh* Peter VV Oct 1, 2007 3:23 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs I sent off a question to a lightbulb seller and this was their reply : Unfortunately there are no compact fluorescent energy savers available on the UK market that can be dimmed using a standard domestic dimmer. There are dimmable ones available in the US but the technology used is not compatible with all of the types of dimmer which are used here so these are not manufactured for the UK market. Energy savers can be installed successfully with most types of rotary dimmer (not the touch plate variety or remote control ones) but only if the dimmer is left full-on all the time. If you are considering buying a number of energy savers for use with dimmers which are to be left full-on then please try one before placing an order for several. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 29 September, 2007 10:53:13 AMRe: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Hi Peter We had a look at the energy efficient bulbs yesterday. They all say they cannot be used with dimmer switches, timer switches or senser lights :-( We bought one for the sitting room to see if they still interfere with our television reception, and they don't :-) Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, September 28, 2007 8:40 PM Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Older energy efficient bulbs you could not use dimmer switches with( not that I have any dimmer switches), but I believe technology has moved on and the newer ones can......... .......could need to check that out. The Valley Vegan....... .... Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comFriday, 28 September, 2007 7:52:33 AM Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into landfill???I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than the short use of our 'normal' bulb.Dilemmas!Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Switch off for traditional bulbs > > Major retailers are backing the scheme, Mr Benn said> Plans to phase out the traditional lightbulb by 2011 have been announced by Environment Secretary Hilary Benn. > Mr Benn told the Labour conference he wanted to see an end to the sale of 150-watt bulbs from next January. > Less powerful traditional bulbs would be taken off the shelves in stages under the voluntary energy-saving scheme by 2011. > Greenpeace said the move was "long overdue" and would help the UK reduce its CO2 emissions. > Off for good > Mr Benn told the conference in Bournemouth: "The major retailers and the energy suppliers are now leading a voluntary initiative with the strong support of the lighting industry and of the government to help phase out traditional, high-energy lightbulbs. > > > > Not such a bright idea > "We need to turn them off for good. > "And so our aim is for traditional 150-watt lightbulbs to be phased out by January next year, 100-watt bulbs the year after, 40-watt bulbs the year after that and all high-energy lightbulbs by 2011." > Mr Benn estimated that the move would save five million tonnes of CO2 a year and take the UK closer to its target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2050. > Greenpeace said most retailers had already agreed to stop selling high-energy bulbs following a campaign of its own. > Mr Benn said he also wanted to see an end to products such as energy-wasting TVs. > > > > Peter H> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it> now.> http://uk.answers. /> For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. wargasm wargasm one two three pit bull, pit bull, one two three wave those flags high in the air as long as it takes place over there For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 not according to New Model Army take it up with them 51st, 52nd, 63rd..all about the same i gather... Peter VV Oct 1, 2007 3:37 PM Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Huh, you and your wrong voltage supply!, whats wrong with 240v eh? I thought we were the 52nd? Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Monday, 1 October, 2007 8:34:43 PMRe: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs see, strighten up you lot.. if you behaved more like the 51st state, you wouldn't have this issue.... *sigh* Peter VV Oct 1, 2007 3:23 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs I sent off a question to a lightbulb seller and this was their reply : Unfortunately there are no compact fluorescent energy savers available on the UK market that can be dimmed using a standard domestic dimmer. There are dimmable ones available in the US but the technology used is not compatible with all of the types of dimmer which are used here so these are not manufactured for the UK market. Energy savers can be installed successfully with most types of rotary dimmer (not the touch plate variety or remote control ones) but only if the dimmer is left full-on all the time. If you are considering buying a number of energy savers for use with dimmers which are to be left full-on then please try one before placing an order for several. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 29 September, 2007 10:53:13 AMRe: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Hi Peter We had a look at the energy efficient bulbs yesterday. They all say they cannot be used with dimmer switches, timer switches or senser lights :-( We bought one for the sitting room to see if they still interfere with our television reception, and they don't :-) Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, September 28, 2007 8:40 PM Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs Older energy efficient bulbs you could not use dimmer switches with( not that I have any dimmer switches), but I believe technology has moved on and the newer ones can......... .......could need to check that out. The Valley Vegan....... .... Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comFriday, 28 September, 2007 7:52:33 AM Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into landfill???I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than the short use of our 'normal' bulb.Dilemmas!Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Switch off for traditional bulbs > > Major retailers are backing the scheme, Mr Benn said> Plans to phase out the traditional lightbulb by 2011 have been announced by Environment Secretary Hilary Benn. > Mr Benn told the Labour conference he wanted to see an end to the sale of 150-watt bulbs from next January. > Less powerful traditional bulbs would be taken off the shelves in stages under the voluntary energy-saving scheme by 2011. > Greenpeace said the move was "long overdue" and would help the UK reduce its CO2 emissions. > Off for good > Mr Benn told the conference in Bournemouth: "The major retailers and the energy suppliers are now leading a voluntary initiative with the strong support of the lighting industry and of the government to help phase out traditional, high-energy lightbulbs. > > > > Not such a bright idea > "We need to turn them off for good. > "And so our aim is for traditional 150-watt lightbulbs to be phased out by January next year, 100-watt bulbs the year after, 40-watt bulbs the year after that and all high-energy lightbulbs by 2011." > Mr Benn estimated that the move would save five million tonnes of CO2 a year and take the UK closer to its target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2050. > Greenpeace said most retailers had already agreed to stop selling high-energy bulbs following a campaign of its own. > Mr Benn said he also wanted to see an end to products such as energy-wasting TVs. > > > > Peter H> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it> now.> http://uk.answers. /> For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. wargasm wargasm one two three pit bull, pit bull, one two three wave those flags high in the air as long as it takes place over there For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. wargasm wargasm one two three pit bull, pit bull, one two three wave those flags high in the air as long as it takes place over there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Thanks Peter. I have found with our dimmer switch in the hall, which we don't use on dim now, has a tendency to gradually dim - presumably because when pressing the knob to turn it on and off, it turns a little as well. I have a little lamp that is touch sensitive, so that won't be any good without normal bulbs. Hopefully if our government intends to outlaw normal bulbs they will also insist that someone manufactures suitable bulbs for other uses!!! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > I sent off a question to a lightbulb seller and this was their reply : > Unfortunately there are no compact fluorescent energy savers available on the UK market that can be dimmed using a standard domestic dimmer. There are dimmable ones available in the US but the technology used is not compatible with all of the types of dimmer which are used here so these are not manufactured for the UK market. > Energy savers can be installed successfully with most types of rotary dimmer (not the touch plate variety or remote control ones) but only if the dimmer is left full-on all the time. If you are considering buying a number of energy savers for use with dimmers which are to be left full-on then please try one before placing an order for several. > > Peter H > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork > > Saturday, 29 September, 2007 10:53:13 AM > Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs > > Hi Peter > > We had a look at the energy efficient bulbs yesterday. They all say they cannot be used with dimmer switches, timer switches or senser lights :-( We bought one for the sitting room to see if they still interfere with our television reception, and they don't :-) > > Jo > - > Peter VV > @gro ups.com > Friday, September 28, 2007 8:40 PM > Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs > > > Older energy efficient bulbs you could not use dimmer switches with ( not that I have any dimmer switches), but I believe technology has moved on and the newer ones can......... .......could need to check that out. > The Valley Vegan....... .... > > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> > @gro ups.com > Friday, 28 September, 2007 7:52:33 AM > Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs > > > It might save energy but .... does this mean that we will have to > throw our dimmer switches, timer switches and safety lights into > landfill??? > > I have heard that you cannot use these bulbs with dimmer switches and > certainly not with timer switches. They would not be any good with > our safety lamp (energy efficient bulbs take a few minutes to light > properly) outside our front door as it has a senser and comes on for > two minutes only, which makes it ideal for us to get out of the car > and indoors, or out of the front door and into the car (we have no > street lighting where we live and in the evenings and nights it is > pitch black). We could use torches, which is not quite so > convenient, but more to the point we would have to charge the > batteries for the torches which would probably use more energy than > the short use of our 'normal' bulb. > > Dilemmas! > > Jo > > @gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01@ > wrote: > > > > Switch off for traditional bulbs > > > > Major retailers are backing the scheme, Mr Benn said > > Plans to phase out the traditional lightbulb by 2011 have been > announced by Environment Secretary Hilary Benn. > > Mr Benn told the Labour conference he wanted to see an end to the > sale of 150-watt bulbs from next January. > > Less powerful traditional bulbs would be taken off the shelves in > stages under the voluntary energy-saving scheme by 2011. > > Greenpeace said the move was " long overdue " and would help the UK > reduce its CO2 emissions. > > Off for good > > Mr Benn told the conference in Bournemouth: " The major retailers > and the energy suppliers are now leading a voluntary initiative with > the strong support of the lighting industry and of the government to > help phase out traditional, high-energy lightbulbs. > > > > > > > > Not such a bright idea > > " We need to turn them off for good. > > " And so our aim is for traditional 150-watt lightbulbs to be phased > out by January next year, 100-watt bulbs the year after, 40-watt > bulbs the year after that and all high-energy lightbulbs by 2011. " > > Mr Benn estimated that the move would save five million tonnes of > CO2 a year and take the UK closer to its target of reducing > greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2050. > > Greenpeace said most retailers had already agreed to stop selling > high-energy bulbs following a campaign of its own. > > Mr Benn said he also wanted to see an end to products such as > energy-wasting TVs. > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the > answer. Try it > > now. > > http://uk.answers. / > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. > > > > _________ > Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it > now. > http://uk.answers./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 You just don't understand the problems we have in our little island :-) Jo Re: Re: Switch off for traditional bulbs see, strighten up you lot.. if you behaved more like the 51st state, you wouldn't have this issue.... *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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