En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

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Hi Silas

 

That's a bit of a surprise - perhaps I've just come at it from the angle of a vegan, but I've only ever heard one of those "myths" before, and that was number 5. The rest I've always heard even meat eaters accept that the other way around is the case...

 

BB

Peter

 

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Silas Cordeiro Pascoal

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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:34 AM

En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

cohensmilk1 <cohensmilk1 escreveu: Para: notmilk De: "cohensmilk1" <cohensmilk1Data: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:12:58 -0000Assunto: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be VegetarianTop Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian Over the 14 years that I have been lecturing, writing columns, and attending health conferences, I've been witness to ten major myths promoted by various anti-vegan groups such as the dairyindustry, meat industry, Weston Price Lost-and-Foundation, and www.mercola.idiot.THE TEN MYTHS 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease than do vegetarians. 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because they have higher rates of the male sex hormone. 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of the major diseases than do vegetarians. 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than meat eaters. 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a pregnant woman or nursing mother. 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller than children born to meat eaters. 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also consume vegetables. 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher rates of heart disease than meat eaters. 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than do vegetarians. 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than do vegetarians. ___ ONE BY ONE, LET'S DISPEL THOSE MYTHS ___ 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease than do vegetarians. "Significant atherosclerosis is rare in peoples whose diet over the life span is predominantly vegetarian and low in calories, total lipids, saturated lipids and cholesterol." Nutrition and Athersclerosis by Louis Katz. 1958 ____ 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because they have higher rates of the male sex hormone. "The study measured testosterone levels in 696 Oxford University men. Of the study participants, 233 were vegan (ate no animal products) and 237 were vegetarian (ate milk and dairy products). The remaining 237 subjects were men who ate meat on most days of the week...vegans had higher testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat eaters." British Journal of Cancer, 83(1), July 2000 ____ 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of mankind's major diseases than do vegetarians. "Scientific data suggest positive relationships between a vegetarian diet and reduced risk for several chronic degenerative diseases and conditions, including obesity, coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and some types of cancer." Journal of American Dietetic Association, 11/97, 97(1) ____ 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than meat eaters. "Vegetarians often have lower mortality rates from several chronic degenerative diseases than do non vegetarians." British Medical Journal, 1996; 313 ____ 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a pregnant woman or nursing mother. "Vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy and lactation." Am J Clin Nutr. 1994;59(suppl):1176S-1181S. ____ 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller than children born to meat eaters. "Vegan diets can meet the nutrient and energy needs of pregnant women. Birth weights of infants born to well nourished vegetarian women have been shown to be similar to birth-weight norms and to birth weights of infants of non vegetarians." Pediatrics. 1989;84 ____ 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also consume vegetables. "Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefits because higher concentration of antioxidants such as vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals." Am J Clin Nutr. 1996;63(suppl) ____ 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher rates of heart disease than meat eaters. "Mortality from coronary artery disease is lower in vegetarians than in non vegetarians." British Medical Journal, 1994; 308 ____ 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than do vegetarians. "Type 2 diabetes mellitus is less likely to be a cause of death in vegetarians than non vegetarians." Am J Clin Nutr. 1988;48(suppl) ____ 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than do vegetarians. "Breast cancer rates are lower in populations that consume plant based diets." American Cancer Society Cancer Facts and Figures, 1994 ____ Real science overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that a plant-based diet make for healthier people. Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.com -------------------THE NOTMILK NEWSLETTER:SUBSCRIBE: send an empty Email to-notmilk- UNSUBSCRIBE: send an empty Email to-notmilk- Forward this message to your milk-drinking friends:MILK from A to Z: http://www.notmilk.com/milkatoz.html2O QUESTIONS: http://www.notmilk.com/notmilkfaq.htmlWhat is an excellent alternative for NOTMILK?http://www.soytoy.com ... make your own grain and nut milks!SoyToy recipes forum: soytoy-

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Surely these have been swapped. I have never heard any of these said about meat eating being healthier than vegetable eating.

 

Jo

 

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Silas Cordeiro Pascoal

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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:34 AM

En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

cohensmilk1 <cohensmilk1 escreveu: Para: notmilk De: "cohensmilk1" <cohensmilk1Data: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:12:58 -0000Assunto: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be VegetarianTop Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian Over the 14 years that I have been lecturing, writing columns, and attending health conferences, I've been witness to ten major myths promoted by various anti-vegan groups such as the dairyindustry, meat industry, Weston Price Lost-and-Foundation, and www.mercola.idiot.THE TEN MYTHS 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease than do vegetarians. 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because they have higher rates of the male sex hormone. 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of the major diseases than do vegetarians. 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than meat eaters. 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a pregnant woman or nursing mother. 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller than children born to meat eaters. 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also consume vegetables. 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher rates of heart disease than meat eaters. 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than do vegetarians. 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than do vegetarians. ___ ONE BY ONE, LET'S DISPEL THOSE MYTHS ___ 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease than do vegetarians. "Significant atherosclerosis is rare in peoples whose diet over the life span is predominantly vegetarian and low in calories, total lipids, saturated lipids and cholesterol." Nutrition and Athersclerosis by Louis Katz. 1958 ____ 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because they have higher rates of the male sex hormone. "The study measured testosterone levels in 696 Oxford University men. Of the study participants, 233 were vegan (ate no animal products) and 237 were vegetarian (ate milk and dairy products). The remaining 237 subjects were men who ate meat on most days of the week...vegans had higher testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat eaters." British Journal of Cancer, 83(1), July 2000 ____ 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of mankind's major diseases than do vegetarians. "Scientific data suggest positive relationships between a vegetarian diet and reduced risk for several chronic degenerative diseases and conditions, including obesity, coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and some types of cancer." Journal of American Dietetic Association, 11/97, 97(1) ____ 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than meat eaters. "Vegetarians often have lower mortality rates from several chronic degenerative diseases than do non vegetarians." British Medical Journal, 1996; 313 ____ 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a pregnant woman or nursing mother. "Vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy and lactation." Am J Clin Nutr. 1994;59(suppl):1176S-1181S. ____ 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller than children born to meat eaters. "Vegan diets can meet the nutrient and energy needs of pregnant women. Birth weights of infants born to well nourished vegetarian women have been shown to be similar to birth-weight norms and to birth weights of infants of non vegetarians." Pediatrics. 1989;84 ____ 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also consume vegetables. "Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefits because higher concentration of antioxidants such as vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals." Am J Clin Nutr. 1996;63(suppl) ____ 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher rates of heart disease than meat eaters. "Mortality from coronary artery disease is lower in vegetarians than in non vegetarians." British Medical Journal, 1994; 308 ____ 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than do vegetarians. "Type 2 diabetes mellitus is less likely to be a cause of death in vegetarians than non vegetarians." Am J Clin Nutr. 1988;48(suppl) ____ 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than do vegetarians. "Breast cancer rates are lower in populations that consume plant based diets." American Cancer Society Cancer Facts and Figures, 1994 ____ Real science overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that a plant-based diet make for healthier people. Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.com -------------------THE NOTMILK NEWSLETTER:SUBSCRIBE: send an empty Email to-notmilk- UNSUBSCRIBE: send an empty Email to-notmilk- Forward this message to your milk-drinking friends:MILK from A to Z: http://www.notmilk.com/milkatoz.html2O QUESTIONS: http://www.notmilk.com/notmilkfaq.htmlWhat is an excellent alternative for NOTMILK?http://www.soytoy.com ... make your own grain and nut milks!SoyToy recipes forum: soytoy-

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you haven't heard from the folks at weston price then.....

a local radio station has a show where the host is a huge fan of em...

pretty sickening

jo Dec 12, 2007 10:39 AM Re: En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

 

 

 

 

Surely these have been swapped. I have never heard any of these said about meat eating being healthier than vegetable eating.

 

Jo

 

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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:34 AM

En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

cohensmilk1 <cohensmilk1 > escreveu: Para: notmilk De: "cohensmilk1" <cohensmilk1 >Data: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:12:58 -0000Assunto: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be VegetarianTop Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian Over the 14 years that I have been lecturing, writing columns, and attending health conferences, I've been witness to ten major myths promoted by various anti-vegan groups such as the dairyindustry, meat industry, Weston Price Lost-and-Foundation, and www.mercola.idiot.THE TEN MYTHS 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease than do vegetarians. 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because they have higher rates of the male sex hormone. 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of the major diseases than do vegetarians. 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than meat eaters. 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a pregnant woman or nursing mother. 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller than children born to meat eaters. 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also consume vegetables. 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher rates of heart disease than meat eaters. 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than do vegetarians. 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than do vegetarians. ___ ONE BY ONE, LET'S DISPEL THOSE MYTHS ___ 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease than do vegetarians. "Significant atherosclerosis is rare in peoples whose diet over the life span is predominantly vegetarian and low in calories, total lipids, saturated lipids and cholesterol." Nutrition and Athersclerosis by Louis Katz. 1958 ____ 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because they have higher rates of the male sex hormone. "The study measured testosterone levels in 696 Oxford University men. Of the study participants, 233 were vegan (ate no animal products) and 237 were vegetarian (ate milk and dairy products). The remaining 237 subjects were men who ate meat on most days of the week...vegans had higher testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat eaters." British Journal of Cancer, 83(1), July 2000 ____ 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of mankind's major diseases than do vegetarians. "Scientific data suggest positive relationships between a vegetarian diet and reduced risk for several chronic degenerative diseases and conditions, including obesity, coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and some types of cancer." Journal of American Dietetic Association, 11/97, 97(1) ____ 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than meat eaters. "Vegetarians often have lower mortality rates from several chronic degenerative diseases than do non vegetarians." British Medical Journal, 1996; 313 ____ 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a pregnant woman or nursing mother. "Vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy and lactation." Am J Clin Nutr. 1994;59(suppl):1176S-1181S. ____ 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller than children born to meat eaters. "Vegan diets can meet the nutrient and energy needs of pregnant women. Birth weights of infants born to well nourished vegetarian women have been shown to be similar to birth-weight norms and to birth weights of infants of non vegetarians." Pediatrics. 1989;84 ____ 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also consume vegetables. "Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefits because higher concentration of antioxidants such as vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals." Am J Clin Nutr. 1996;63(suppl) ____ 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher rates of heart disease than meat eaters. "Mortality from coronary artery disease is lower in vegetarians than in non vegetarians." British Medical Journal, 1994; 308 ____ 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than do vegetarians. "Type 2 diabetes mellitus is less likely to be a cause of death in vegetarians than non vegetarians." Am J Clin Nutr. 1988;48(suppl) ____ 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than do vegetarians. "Breast cancer rates are lower in populations that consume plant based diets." American Cancer Society Cancer Facts and Figures, 1994 ____ Real science overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that a plant-based diet make for healthier people. Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.com -------------------THE NOTMILK NEWSLETTER:SUBSCRIBE: send an empty Email to-notmilk- UNSUBSCRIBE: send an empty Email to-notmilk- Forward this message to your milk-drinking friends:MILK from A to Z: http://www.notmilk.com/milkatoz.html2O QUESTIONS: http://www.notmilk.com/notmilkfaq.htmlWhat is an excellent alternative for NOTMILK?http://www.soytoy.com ... make your own grain and nut milks!SoyToy recipes forum: soytoy-

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Yeah, they have rants on their website by people claiming to be

former vegans and vegetarians with lots of warnings about how

dangerous it is, and how they saved themselves in time. They do to

nutrition what karlrove did to politics. Several hosts on that radio

station are fans of this dreck.

 

 

At 1:08 PM -0800 12/12/07, fraggle wrote:

you haven't heard from the folks at weston price then.....

 

a local radio station has a show where the host is a huge fan of

em...

 

pretty sickening

 

 

jo

Dec 12, 2007 10:39 AM

 

Re: En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be

Vegetarian

 

Surely these have been swapped. I have never heard any of

these said about meat eating being healthier than vegetable

eating.

 

Jo

 

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Silas

Cordeiro Pascoal

veg-brasil ; ; alimentos_inteligentes

Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:34 AM

En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be

Vegetarian

 

 

 

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Assunto: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

 

Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

 

Over the 14 years that I have been lecturing,

writing columns, and attending health conferences,

I've been witness to ten major myths promoted

by various anti-vegan groups such as the dairy

industry, meat industry, Weston Price Lost-and-

Foundation, and www.mercola.idiot.

 

THE TEN MYTHS

 

1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease

than do vegetarians.

 

2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because

they have higher rates of the male sex hormone.

 

3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of the

major diseases than do vegetarians.

 

4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than

meat eaters.

 

5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a

pregnant woman or nursing mother.

 

6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller

than children born to meat eaters.

 

7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients

than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also

consume vegetables.

 

8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher

rates of heart disease than meat eaters.

 

9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than

do vegetarians.

 

10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than

do vegetarians.

___

 

ONE BY ONE, LET'S DISPEL THOSE MYTHS

___

 

1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease

than do vegetarians.

 

" Significant atherosclerosis is rare in peoples

whose diet over the life span is predominantly

vegetarian and low in calories, total lipids,

saturated lipids and cholesterol. "

 

Nutrition and Athersclerosis by Louis Katz. 1958

____

 

2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because

they have higher rates of the male sex hormone.

 

" The study measured testosterone levels in 696

Oxford University men. Of the study participants,

233 were vegan (ate no animal products) and 237

were vegetarian (ate milk and dairy products).

The remaining 237 subjects were men who ate meat

on most days of the week...vegans had higher

testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat

eaters. "

 

British Journal of Cancer, 83(1), July 2000

____

 

3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of

mankind's major diseases than do vegetarians.

 

" Scientific data suggest positive relationships

between a vegetarian diet and reduced risk for

several chronic degenerative diseases and conditions,

including obesity, coronary artery disease,

hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and some

types of cancer. "

 

Journal of American Dietetic Association, 11/97, 97(1)

____

 

4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than

meat eaters.

 

" Vegetarians often have lower mortality rates

from several chronic degenerative diseases than

do non vegetarians. "

 

British Medical Journal, 1996; 313

____

 

5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a

pregnant woman or nursing mother.

 

" Vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the

life cycle, including during pregnancy and lactation. "

 

Am J Clin Nutr. 1994;59(suppl):1176S-1181S.

____

 

6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller

than children born to meat eaters.

 

" Vegan diets can meet the nutrient and energy needs

of pregnant women. Birth weights of infants born

to well nourished vegetarian women have been shown

to be similar to birth-weight norms and to birth

weights of infants of non vegetarians. "

 

Pediatrics. 1989;84

____

 

7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients

than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also

consume vegetables.

 

" Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefits

because higher concentration of antioxidants such

as vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals. "

 

Am J Clin Nutr. 1996;63(suppl)

____

 

8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher

rates of heart disease than meat eaters.

 

" Mortality from coronary artery disease is lower in

vegetarians than in non vegetarians. "

 

British Medical Journal, 1994; 308

____

 

9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than

do vegetarians.

 

" Type 2 diabetes mellitus is less likely to be a

cause of death in vegetarians than non vegetarians. "

 

Am J Clin Nutr. 1988;48(suppl)

____

 

10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than

do vegetarians.

 

" Breast cancer rates are lower in populations that

consume plant based diets. "

 

American Cancer Society Cancer Facts and Figures, 1994

____

 

Real science overwhelmingly supports the conclusion

that a plant-based diet make for healthier people.

 

Robert Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thankfully not !!!!

 

Jo

 

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you haven't heard from the folks at weston price then.....

 

a local radio station has a show where the host is a huge fan of em...

 

pretty sickening

[Guest guest]

You have to wonder about the mentality and sanity of these people,

and their listeners.

 

Jo

 

, yarrow wrote:

>

> Yeah, they have rants on their website by people

> claiming to be former vegans and vegetarians with

> lots of warnings about how dangerous it is, and

> how they saved themselves in time. They do to

> nutrition what karlrove did to politics. Several

> hosts on that radio station are fans of this

> dreck.

>

>

> At 1:08 PM -0800 12/12/07, fraggle wrote:

> you haven't heard from the folks at weston price then.....

>

> a local radio station has a show where the host is a huge fan of

em...

>

> pretty sickening

>

>

> jo

> Dec 12, 2007 10:39 AM

>

> Re: En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be

Vegetarian

>

> Surely these have been swapped. I have never

> heard any of these said about meat eating being

> healthier than vegetable eating.

>

> Jo

>

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> <cordeiropascoalSilas Cordeiro Pascoal

> To:

> <veg-brasilveg-brasil

> ;

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> ;

> <alimentos_inteligentesalimentos_inteligentes

> Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:34 AM

> En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

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> cohensmilk1 <<cohensmilk1cohensmilk1 escreveu:

>

> Para: <notmilk >notmilk

> De: " cohensmilk1 " <<cohensmilk1cohensmilk1

> Data: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:12:58 -0000

> Assunto: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

>

> Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

>

> Over the 14 years that I have been lecturing,

> writing columns, and attending health conferences,

> I've been witness to ten major myths promoted

> by various anti-vegan groups such as the dairy

> industry, meat industry, Weston Price Lost-and-

> Foundation, and <http://www.mercola.idiot>www.mercola.idiot.

>

> THE TEN MYTHS

>

> 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease

> than do vegetarians.

>

> 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because

> they have higher rates of the male sex hormone.

>

> 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of the

> major diseases than do vegetarians.

>

> 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than

> meat eaters.

>

> 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a

> pregnant woman or nursing mother.

>

> 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller

> than children born to meat eaters.

>

> 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients

> than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also

> consume vegetables.

>

> 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher

> rates of heart disease than meat eaters.

>

> 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than

> do vegetarians.

>

> 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than

> do vegetarians.

> ___

>

> ONE BY ONE, LET'S DISPEL THOSE MYTHS

> ___

>

> 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease

> than do vegetarians.

>

> " Significant atherosclerosis is rare in peoples

> whose diet over the life span is predominantly

> vegetarian and low in calories, total lipids,

> saturated lipids and cholesterol. "

>

> Nutrition and Athersclerosis by Louis Katz. 1958

> ____

>

> 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because

> they have higher rates of the male sex hormone.

>

> " The study measured testosterone levels in 696

> Oxford University men. Of the study participants,

> 233 were vegan (ate no animal products) and 237

> were vegetarian (ate milk and dairy products).

> The remaining 237 subjects were men who ate meat

> on most days of the week...vegans had higher

> testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat

> eaters. "

>

> British Journal of Cancer, 83(1), July 2000

> ____

>

> 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of

> mankind's major diseases than do vegetarians.

>

> " Scientific data suggest positive relationships

> between a vegetarian diet and reduced risk for

> several chronic degenerative diseases and conditions,

> including obesity, coronary artery disease,

> hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and some

> types of cancer. "

>

> Journal of American Dietetic Association, 11/97, 97(1)

> ____

>

> 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than

> meat eaters.

>

> " Vegetarians often have lower mortality rates

> from several chronic degenerative diseases than

> do non vegetarians. "

>

> British Medical Journal, 1996; 313

> ____

>

> 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a

> pregnant woman or nursing mother.

>

> " Vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the

> life cycle, including during pregnancy and lactation. "

>

> Am J Clin Nutr. 1994;59(suppl):1176S-1181S.

> ____

>

> 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller

> than children born to meat eaters.

>

> " Vegan diets can meet the nutrient and energy needs

> of pregnant women. Birth weights of infants born

> to well nourished vegetarian women have been shown

> to be similar to birth-weight norms and to birth

> weights of infants of non vegetarians. "

>

> Pediatrics. 1989;84

> ____

>

> 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients

> than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also

> consume vegetables.

>

> " Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefits

> because higher concentration of antioxidants such

> as vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals. "

>

> Am J Clin Nutr. 1996;63(suppl)

> ____

>

> 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher

> rates of heart disease than meat eaters.

>

> " Mortality from coronary artery disease is lower in

> vegetarians than in non vegetarians. "

>

> British Medical Journal, 1994; 308

> ____

>

> 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than

> do vegetarians.

>

> " Type 2 diabetes mellitus is less likely to be a

> cause of death in vegetarians than non vegetarians. "

>

> Am J Clin Nutr. 1988;48(suppl)

> ____

>

> 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than

> do vegetarians.

>

> " Breast cancer rates are lower in populations that

> consume plant based diets. "

>

> American Cancer Society Cancer Facts and Figures, 1994

> ____

>

> Real science overwhelmingly supports the conclusion

> that a plant-based diet make for healthier people.

>

> Robert Cohen

> http://www.notmilk.com

>

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>

[Guest guest]

weston pricers are a kooky bunch that's attractive to people

because it comes with a " philosophy " of sorts that they can

use to justify eating animals (all parts, by the way) yet remain

committed (in a convulted way) to ecology, organic farming, health,

etc.

 

they are based in washington DC yet claim to not be a lobby for

the meat and dairy industry, which is funny. actually, to give them an

inch of credit, they are opposed to factory farming, big

animalculture, etc. but i think that's just to satisfy their

guilt!

 

my sister in law is one, and it's amazing: we'll sit down to eat

at a restaraunt (always a challenge for me) and she will order the

bacon cheeseburger and argue that it's healthy, and that's how

" nature " intended us to eat (they are heavily into some

weird interpretation of what human nature and tradition consists of)

because " look at all the healthy indigenous populations that eat

only lard and animal fat " . eh?

 

blake

 

You have to wonder about the mentality

and sanity of these people,

and their listeners.

 

Jo

 

, yarrow wrote:

>

> Yeah, they have rants on their website by people

> claiming to be former vegans and vegetarians with

> lots of warnings about how dangerous it is, and

> how they saved themselves in time. They do to

> nutrition what karlrove did to politics. Several

> hosts on that radio station are fans of this

> dreck.

>

>

> At 1:08 PM -0800 12/12/07, fraggle wrote:

> you haven't heard from the folks at weston price then.....

>

> a local radio station has a show where the host is a huge fan

of

em...

>

> pretty sickening

>

>

> jo

> Dec 12, 2007 10:39 AM

>

> Re: En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be

Vegetarian

>

> Surely these have been swapped. I have never

> heard any of these said about meat eating being

> healthier than vegetable eating.

>

> Jo

>

> -

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Pascoal

> To:

> <veg-brasilveg-brasil

> ;

>

> ;

>

<alimentos_inteligentesalimentos_inteligentes

> Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:34 AM

> En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be

Vegetarian

>

>

>

> cohensmilk1 <<cohensmilk1cohensmilk1

escreveu:

>

> Para: <notmilk >notmilk

> De: " cohensmilk1 "

<<cohensmilk1cohensmilk1

> Data: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:12:58 -0000

> Assunto: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

>

> Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

>

> Over the 14 years that I have been lecturing,

> writing columns, and attending health conferences,

> I've been witness to ten major myths promoted

> by various anti-vegan groups such as the dairy

> industry, meat industry, Weston Price Lost-and-

> Foundation, and <http://www.mercola.idiot>www.mercola.idiot.

>

> THE TEN MYTHS

>

> 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease

> than do vegetarians.

>

> 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because

> they have higher rates of the male sex hormone.

>

> 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of the

> major diseases than do vegetarians.

>

> 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than

> meat eaters.

>

> 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a

> pregnant woman or nursing mother.

>

> 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller

> than children born to meat eaters.

>

> 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients

> than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also

> consume vegetables.

>

> 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher

> rates of heart disease than meat eaters.

>

> 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than

> do vegetarians.

>

> 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than

> do vegetarians.

> ___

>

> ONE BY ONE, LET'S DISPEL THOSE MYTHS

> ___

>

> 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease

> than do vegetarians.

>

> " Significant atherosclerosis is rare in peoples

> whose diet over the life span is predominantly

> vegetarian and low in calories, total lipids,

> saturated lipids and cholesterol. "

>

> Nutrition and Athersclerosis by Louis Katz. 1958

> ____

>

> 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because

> they have higher rates of the male sex hormone.

>

> " The study measured testosterone levels in 696

> Oxford University men. Of the study participants,

> 233 were vegan (ate no animal products) and 237

> were vegetarian (ate milk and dairy products).

> The remaining 237 subjects were men who ate meat

> on most days of the week...vegans had higher

> testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat

> eaters. "

>

> British Journal of Cancer, 83(1), July 2000

> ____

>

> 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of

> mankind's major diseases than do vegetarians.

>

> " Scientific data suggest positive relationships

> between a vegetarian diet and reduced risk for

> several chronic degenerative diseases and conditions,

> including obesity, coronary artery disease,

> hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and some

> types of cancer. "

>

> Journal of American Dietetic Association, 11/97, 97(1)

> ____

>

> 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than

> meat eaters.

>

> " Vegetarians often have lower mortality rates

> from several chronic degenerative diseases than

> do non vegetarians. "

>

> British Medical Journal, 1996; 313

> ____

>

> 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a

> pregnant woman or nursing mother.

>

> " Vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the

> life cycle, including during pregnancy and lactation. "

>

> Am J Clin Nutr. 1994;59(suppl):1176S-1181S.

> ____

>

> 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller

> than children born to meat eaters.

>

> " Vegan diets can meet the nutrient and energy needs

> of pregnant women. Birth weights of infants born

> to well nourished vegetarian women have been shown

> to be similar to birth-weight norms and to birth

> weights of infants of non vegetarians. "

>

> Pediatrics. 1989;84

> ____

>

> 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients

> than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also

> consume vegetables.

>

> " Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefits

> because higher concentration of antioxidants such

> as vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals. "

>

> Am J Clin Nutr. 1996;63(suppl)

> ____

>

> 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher

> rates of heart disease than meat eaters.

>

> " Mortality from coronary artery disease is lower in

> vegetarians than in non vegetarians. "

>

> British Medical Journal, 1994; 308

> ____

>

> 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than

> do vegetarians.

>

> " Type 2 diabetes mellitus is less likely to be a

> cause of death in vegetarians than non vegetarians. "

>

> Am J Clin Nutr. 1988;48(suppl)

> ____

>

> 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than

> do vegetarians.

>

> " Breast cancer rates are lower in populations that

> consume plant based diets. "

>

> American Cancer Society Cancer Facts and Figures, 1994

> ____

>

> Real science overwhelmingly supports the conclusion

> that a plant-based diet make for healthier people.

>

> Robert Cohen

> http://www.notmilk.com

>

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scary isn't it?

makes me sad sometimes that i donated to the station.......

yarrow Dec 12, 2007 9:43 PM Re: En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

 

 

 

 

Yeah, they have rants on their website by people claiming to be former vegans and vegetarians with lots of warnings about how dangerous it is, and how they saved themselves in time. They do to nutrition what karlrove did to politics. Several hosts on that radio station are fans of this dreck.

 

 

At 1:08 PM -0800 12/12/07, fraggle wrote:

you haven't heard from the folks at weston price then.....

a local radio station has a show where the host is a huge fan of em...

pretty sickening

joDec 12, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

Surely these have been swapped. I have never heard any of these said about meat eating being healthier than vegetable eating.

 

Jo

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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:34 AM

En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

 

cohensmilk1 <cohensmilk1 > escreveu:

Para: notmilk De: "cohensmilk1" <cohensmilk1 >Data: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:12:58 -0000Assunto: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be VegetarianTop Reasons NOT To Be VegetarianOver the 14 years that I have been lecturing,writing columns, and attending health conferences,I've been witness to ten major myths promotedby various anti-vegan groups such as the dairyindustry, meat industry, Weston Price Lost-and-Foundation, and www.mercola.idiot.THE TEN MYTHS1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart diseasethan do vegetarians.2) Meat eating men make for better lovers becausethey have higher rates of the male sex hormone.3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of themajor diseases than do vegetarians.4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates thanmeat eaters.5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for apregnant woman or nursing mother.6) Children born to vegetarians are smallerthan children born to meat eaters.7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrientsthan vegetarians, because the animals they eat alsoconsume vegetables.8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higherrates of heart disease than meat eaters.9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes thando vegetarians.10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer thando vegetarians.___ONE BY ONE, LET'S DISPEL THOSE MYTHS___1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart diseasethan do vegetarians."Significant atherosclerosis is rare in peopleswhose diet over the life span is predominantlyvegetarian and low in calories, total lipids,saturated lipids and cholesterol."Nutrition and Athersclerosis by Louis Katz. 1958____2) Meat eating men make for better lovers becausethey have higher rates of the male sex hormone."The study measured testosterone levels in 696Oxford University men. Of the study participants,233 were vegan (ate no animal products) and 237were vegetarian (ate milk and dairy products).The remaining 237 subjects were men who ate meaton most days of the week...vegans had highertestosterone levels than vegetarians and meateaters."British Journal of Cancer, 83(1), July 2000____3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all ofmankind's major diseases than do vegetarians."Scientific data suggest positive relationshipsbetween a vegetarian diet and reduced risk forseveral chronic degenerative diseases and conditions,including obesity, coronary artery disease,

hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and sometypes of cancer."Journal of American Dietetic Association, 11/97, 97(1)____4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates thanmeat eaters."Vegetarians often have lower mortality ratesfrom several chronic degenerative diseases thando non vegetarians."British Medical Journal, 1996; 313____5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for apregnant woman or nursing mother."Vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of thelife cycle, including during pregnancy and lactation."Am J Clin Nutr. 1994;59(suppl):1176S-1181S.____6) Children born to vegetarians are smallerthan children born to meat eaters."Vegan diets can meet the nutrient and energy needsof pregnant women. Birth weights of infants bornto well nourished vegetarian women have been shownto be similar to birth-weight norms and to birthweights of infants of non vegetarians."Pediatrics. 1989;84____7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrientsthan vegetarians, because the animals they eat alsoconsume vegetables."Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefitsbecause higher concentration of antioxidants suchas vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals."Am J Clin Nutr. 1996;63(suppl)____8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higherrates of heart disease than meat eaters."Mortality from coronary artery disease is lower invegetarians than in non vegetarians."British Medical Journal, 1994; 308____9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes thando vegetarians."Type 2 diabetes mellitus is less likely to be acause of death in vegetarians than non vegetarians."Am J Clin Nutr. 1988;48(suppl)____10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer thando vegetarians."Breast cancer rates are lower in populations thatconsume plant based diets."American Cancer Society Cancer Facts and Figures, 1994____Real science overwhelmingly supports the conclusionthat a plant-based diet make for healthier people.Robert Cohenhttp://www.notmilk.com-------------------THE NOTMILK NEWSLETTER:SUBSCRIBE: send an empty Email to-notmilk- UNSUBSCRIBE: send an empty Email to-notmilk- Forward this message to your milk-drinking friends:MILK from A to Z: http://www.notmilk.com/milkatoz.html2O QUESTIONS: http://www.notmilk.com/notmilkfaq.htmlWhat is an excellent alternative for NOTMILK?http://www.soytoy.com ... make your own grain and nut milks!SoyToy recipes forum: soytoy-

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they are all very "selective" in what facts they trot out, and which they ignore

Blake Wilson Dec 13, 2007 8:00 AM Re: En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian

 

 

 

 

weston pricers are a kooky bunch that's attractive to people because it comes with a "philosophy" of sorts that they can use to justify eating animals (all parts, by the way) yet remain committed (in a convulted way) to ecology, organic farming, health, etc.

 

they are based in washington DC yet claim to not be a lobby for the meat and dairy industry, which is funny. actually, to give them an inch of credit, they are opposed to factory farming, big animalculture, etc. but i think that's just to satisfy their guilt!

 

my sister in law is one, and it's amazing: we'll sit down to eat at a restaraunt (always a challenge for me) and she will order the bacon cheeseburger and argue that it's healthy, and that's how "nature" intended us to eat (they are heavily into some weird interpretation of what human nature and tradition consists of) because "look at all the healthy indigenous populations that eat only lard and animal fat". eh?

 

blake

 

You have to wonder about the mentality and sanity of these people,and their listeners.Jo , yarrow wrote:>> Yeah, they have rants on their website by people> claiming to be former vegans and vegetarians with> lots of warnings about how dangerous it is, and> how they saved themselves in time. They do to> nutrition what karlrove did to politics. Several> hosts on that radio station are fans of this> dreck.>>> At 1:08 PM -0800 12/12/07, fraggle wrote:> you haven't heard from the folks at weston price then.....>> a local radio station has a show where the host is a huge fan ofem...>> pretty sickening>> > jo> Dec 12, 2007 10:39 AM> > Re: En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To BeVegetarian>> Surely these have been swapped. I have never> heard any of these said about meat eating being> healthier than vegetable eating.>> Jo>> -> <cordeiropascoalSilas Cordeiro Pascoal> To:> <veg-brasilveg-brasil ;> > ;> <alimentos_inteligentesalimentos_inteligentes Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:34 AM> En: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian>>>> cohensmilk1 <<cohensmilk1cohensmilk1 escreveu:>> Para: <notmilk >notmilk > De: "cohensmilk1" <<cohensmilk1cohensmilk1> Data: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:12:58 -0000> Assunto: NOTMILK - Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian>> Top Reasons NOT To Be Vegetarian>> Over the 14 years that I have been lecturing,> writing columns, and attending health conferences,> I've been witness to ten major myths promoted> by various anti-vegan groups such as the dairy> industry, meat industry, Weston Price Lost-and-> Foundation, and <http://www.mercola.idiot>www.mercola.idiot.>> THE TEN MYTHS>> 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease> than do vegetarians.>> 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because> they have higher rates of the male sex hormone.>> 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of the> major diseases than do vegetarians.>> 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than> meat eaters.>> 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a> pregnant woman or nursing mother.>> 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller> than children born to meat eaters.>> 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients> than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also> consume vegetables.>> 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher> rates of heart disease than meat eaters.

>> 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than> do vegetarians.>> 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than> do vegetarians.> ___>> ONE BY ONE, LET'S DISPEL THOSE MYTHS> ___>> 1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease> than do vegetarians.>> "Significant atherosclerosis is rare in peoples> whose diet over the life span is predominantly> vegetarian and low in calories, total lipids,> saturated lipids and cholesterol.">> Nutrition and Athersclerosis by Louis Katz. 1958> ____>> 2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because> they have higher rates of the male sex hormone.>> "The study measured testosterone levels in 696> Oxford University men. Of the study participants,> 233 were vegan (ate no animal products) and 237> were vegetarian (ate milk and dairy products).> The remaining 237 subjects were men who ate meat> on most days of the week...vegans had higher> testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat> eaters.">> British Journal of Cancer, 83(1), July 2000> ____>> 3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of> mankind's major diseases than do vegetarians.>> "Scientific data suggest positive relationships> between a vegetarian diet and reduced risk for> several chronic degenerative diseases and conditions,> including obesity, coronary artery disease,> hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and some> types of cancer.">> Journal of American Dietetic Association, 11/97, 97(1)> ____>> 4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than> meat eaters.>> "Vegetarians often have lower mortality rates> from several chronic degenerative diseases than> do non vegetarians.">> British Medical Journal, 1996; 313> ____>> 5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a> pregnant woman or nursing mother.>> "Vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the> life cycle, including during pregnancy and lactation.">> Am J Clin Nutr. 1994;59(suppl):1176S-1181S.> ____>> 6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller> than children born to meat eaters.>> "Vegan diets can meet the nutrient and energy needs> of pregnant women. Birth weights of infants born> to well nourished vegetarian women have been shown> to be similar to birth-weight norms and to birth> weights of infants of non vegetarians.">> Pediatrics. 1989;84> ____>> 7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients> than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also> consume vegetables.>> "Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefits> because higher concentration of antioxidants such> as vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals.">> Am J Clin Nutr. 1996;63(suppl)> ____>> 8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher> rates of heart disease than meat eaters.>> "Mortality from coronary artery disease is lower in> vegetarians than in non vegetarians.">> British Medical Journal, 1994; 308> ____>> 9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than> do vegetarians.>> "Type 2 diabetes mellitus is less likely to be a> cause of death in vegetarians than non vegetarians.">> Am J Clin Nutr. 1988;48(suppl)> ____>> 10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than> do vegetarians.>> "Breast cancer rates are lower in populations that> consume plant based diets.">> American Cancer Society Cancer Facts and Figures, 1994> ____>> Real science overwhelmingly supports the conclusion> that a plant-based diet make for healthier people.>> Robert Cohen> http://www.notmilk.com>>>>>>>> -------------------> THE NOTMILK NEWSLETTER:> SUBSCRIBE: send an empty Email to-> notmilk-

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