Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherearthnews.com/Modern-Homesteading/2007-04-01/Dear-Mother-April-May-2007.aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherearthnews.com/Modern-Homesteading/2007-04-01/Dear-Mother-April-May-2007.aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?.......... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?.......... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Ha, Ha,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 9:25:38 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008  Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?.......... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?.......... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Seriously in need of a geography lesson................. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 11:19:29 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 The best team won in the end! Peter H jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008  Surely it comes under history. Jo - Peter VV Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:19 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Seriously in need of a geography lesson................. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 11:19:29 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Its a contact sport, and a rough one at that, everyone accepts it. The referee didnt see it as a problem? Peter H jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Sunday, 3 February, 2008 9:41:47 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the England team to win! Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution The best team won in the end! Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Nope, the post office recognise the difference between England & Wales, plenty of roadsigns on the borders, and maps always show the borders?Maps are used in geography, not history? Peter H jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Sunday, 3 February, 2008 9:41:18 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Surely it comes under history. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:19 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Seriously in need of a geography lesson...... ......... .. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:19:29 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008  Hi Jo / Peter So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English? BB Peter - jo Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the England team to win! Jo - Peter VV Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution The best team won in the end! Peter H jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008  Hi Peter Last I knew, Westminster was based in London! BB Peter - Peter VV Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Nope, the post office recognise the difference between England & Wales, plenty of roadsigns on the borders, and maps always show the borders?Maps are used in geography, not history? Peter H jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Sunday, 3 February, 2008 9:41:18 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Surely it comes under history. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:19 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Seriously in need of a geography lesson...... ......... .. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:19:29 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 you kids and yer rivalries... if you'd just accept your place within USA Corp we could all just move on *giggle* *snort* Peter VV Feb 3, 2008 2:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Nope, the post office recognise the difference between England & Wales, plenty of roadsigns on the borders, and maps always show the borders?Maps are used in geography, not history? Peter H jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Sunday, 3 February, 2008 9:41:18 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Surely it comes under history. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:19 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Seriously in need of a geography lesson...... ......... .. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:19:29 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008  Hi Fraggle Now, you know very well that under the ruling of the US Supreme Court in the Dartmouth College case, all land in the US is owned by the English monarch. ;-) BB Peter - fraggle Monday, February 04, 2008 4:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution you kids and yer rivalries... if you'd just accept your place within USA Corp we could all just move on *giggle* *snort* Peter VV Feb 3, 2008 2:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Nope, the post office recognise the difference between England & Wales, plenty of roadsigns on the borders, and maps always show the borders?Maps are used in geography, not history? Peter H jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Sunday, 3 February, 2008 9:41:18 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Surely it comes under history. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:19 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Seriously in need of a geography lesson...... ......... .. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:19:29 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 that just showed the early bias of the supreme court to protect corporations over social legislation metalscarab Feb 4, 2008 8:59 AM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Fraggle Now, you know very well that under the ruling of the US Supreme Court in the Dartmouth College case, all land in the US is owned by the English monarch. ;-) BB Peter - fraggle Monday, February 04, 2008 4:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution you kids and yer rivalries... if you'd just accept your place within USA Corp we could all just move on *giggle* *snort* Peter VV Feb 3, 2008 2:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Nope, the post office recognise the difference between England & Wales, plenty of roadsigns on the borders, and maps always show the borders?Maps are used in geography, not history? Peter H jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Sunday, 3 February, 2008 9:41:18 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Surely it comes under history. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:19 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Seriously in need of a geography lesson...... ......... .. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:19:29 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008  Certainly the attitude that Peter gives. Jo - metalscarab Monday, February 04, 2008 9:38 AM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Jo / Peter So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English? BB Peter - jo Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the England team to win! Jo - Peter VV Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution The best team won in the end! Peter H jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008  LOL - cheeky! Jo - fraggle Monday, February 04, 2008 4:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution you kids and yer rivalries... if you'd just accept your place within USA Corp we could all just move on *giggle* *snort* Peter VV Feb 3, 2008 2:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Nope, the post office recognise the difference between England & Wales, plenty of roadsigns on the borders, and maps always show the borders?Maps are used in geography, not history? Peter H jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Sunday, 3 February, 2008 9:41:18 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Surely it comes under history. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:19 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Seriously in need of a geography lesson...... ......... .. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:19:29 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Accepted our fate long ago under Blair.... Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Monday, 4 February, 2008 4:25:46 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution you kids and yer rivalries... if you'd just accept your place within USA Corp we could all just move on *giggle* *snort* Peter VV Feb 3, 2008 2:20 PM @gro ups.com Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Nope, the post office recognise the difference between England & Wales, plenty of roadsigns on the borders, and maps always show the borders?Maps are used in geography, not history? Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSunday, 3 February, 2008 9:41:18 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Surely it comes under history. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:19 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Seriously in need of a geography lesson...... ......... .. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:19:29 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Ah, so you are aware of some English landmarks? Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:39:35 AMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter Last I knew, Westminster was based in London! BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Nope, the post office recognise the difference between England & Wales, plenty of roadsigns on the borders, and maps always show the borders?Maps are used in geography, not history? Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSunday, 3 February, 2008 9:41:18 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Surely it comes under history. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:19 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Seriously in need of a geography lesson...... ......... .. Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:19:29 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  LOL - touche! and all that. BBJo - metalscarab @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:25 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter So, where was the game? In Wales or England? ;-) BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 And to be fair vice versa...... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:38:25 AMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Jo / Peter So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English? BB Peter - jo @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the England team to win! Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution The best team won in the end! Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008  Hi Peter I dunno - I've not heard any English people have any antagonism toward the Welsh... except in retaliation! BB Peter - Peter VV Monday, February 04, 2008 8:40 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution And to be fair vice versa...... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:38:25 AMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Jo / Peter So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English? BB Peter - jo @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the England team to win! Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution The best team won in the end! Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Somehow I find that hard to believe, unfotunately. Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:04:13 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I dunno - I've not heard any English people have any antagonism toward the Welsh... except in retaliation! BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Monday, February 04, 2008 8:40 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution And to be fair vice versa...... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMonday, 4 February, 2008 9:38:25 AMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Jo / Peter So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English? BB Peter - jo @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the England team to win! Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution The best team won in the end! Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008  Hi Peter I dunno - perhaps I just get a bit cheesed off with the constant racism I get from a number of Welsh people. Perhaps it's a problem of living near the border, but it does seem as though there are a large number of Welsh folks around here (and on e-mail lists) who have a real chip on their shoulder when it comes to the English. I've yet to come across anyone English with the same issues.... well, unless of course you take into consideration the fact that over 90% of the "Welsh" (and, ironically, the most fervent anti-English in my experience) come from English families who have moved to Wales in the past 100 years!!!! BB Peter - Peter VV Monday, February 04, 2008 9:17 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Somehow I find that hard to believe, unfotunately. Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:04:13 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I dunno - I've not heard any English people have any antagonism toward the Welsh... except in retaliation! BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Monday, February 04, 2008 8:40 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution And to be fair vice versa...... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMonday, 4 February, 2008 9:38:25 AMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Jo / Peter So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English? BB Peter - jo @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution  ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the England team to win! Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution The best team won in the end! Peter H jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution I agree. Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ... Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PMRe: An Omnivore’s Evolution  Hi Peter I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg! And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round. BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Dont know what to make of this : Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,†February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources. Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road. Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed. My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.†They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan — the world would be better for it. ROSE TOCKEHelena, Montana The Vegetarian Choice http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx Peter H Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Sent from - a smarter inbox. Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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