Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Theres no grudge, just a wind up, on a grand scale,culminating in the match last weekend....its taken 20 years! Shame Scotland lost. Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 5 February, 2008 7:44:21 AM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution Also, once when discussing ruby and Welsh hatred of the English you said that the television never supported the Welsh team. Well thanks to you and that discussion I have since become a rugby fan, and watch it whenever it is on the television. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the 'English' television thoroughly supports Wales, Ireland and Scotland exactly the same as it does England. The same happens in all other sports too - Andy Murray is an example.I think it's about time you stopped holding old grudges about things that happened centuries ago, and not to you personally.Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Somehow I find that hard to believe, unfotunately.> > Peter H > > > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:04:13 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> >  > Hi Peter> > I dunno - I've not heard any English people have any antagonism toward the Welsh... except in retaliation!> > BB> Peter> - > Peter VV > @gro ups.com > Monday, February 04, 2008 8:40 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > > And to be fair vice versa......> > Peter H > > > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:38:25 AM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > >  > Hi Jo / Peter> > So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English?> > BB> Peter> - > jo > @gro ups.com > Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > >  > ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the England team to win!> > Jo> - > Peter VV > @gro ups.com > Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > > The best team won in the end!> > Peter H > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > >  > Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second.> > Jo> - > Peter VV > @gro ups.com > Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > > I agree.> Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ...> > Peter H > > > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > >  > Hi Peter> > I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg!> > And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round.> > BB> Peter> - > Peter VV > @gro ups.com > Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > > Dont know what to make of this :> Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,â€� February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources.> Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road.> Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed.> My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.â€� They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan â€" the world would be better for it.> ROSE TOCKE> Helena, Montana> The Vegetarian Choice> http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx> > Peter H > > > > > Sent from - a smarter inbox. > > > > > > Sent from - a smarter inbox. > > > > > > Sent from - a smarter inbox. > > > > > > Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail. > Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 And you bite every time....... Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 5 February, 2008 7:36:45 AM Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution If you remember a few years ago though, I, in my innocence, had never realised there was any hatred emanating from Wales. If there is any bad feeling on my part now, it is because you have told us that the Welsh dislike the English and you take every opportunity available to snipe. Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> And to be fair vice versa......> > Peter H > > > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:38:25 AM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> >  > Hi Jo / Peter> > So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English?> > BB> Peter> - > jo > @gro ups.com > Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > >  > ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the England team to win!> > Jo> - > Peter VV > @gro ups.com > Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > > The best team won in the end!> > Peter H > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > >  > Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half, England not too good in second.> > Jo> - > Peter VV > @gro ups.com > Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > > I agree.> Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby today on English soil?....... ...> > Peter H > > > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > >  > Hi Peter> > I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity in the suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any of the "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terrible pun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be truly environmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impact of localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg!> > And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on his local farm almost certainly will have a large number of travel miles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round.> > BB> Peter> - > Peter VV > @gro ups.com > Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM> Re: An Omnivore’s Evolution> > > Dont know what to make of this :> Thanks to Bryan Welch (“Why I Farm,â€� February/March 2007) for his moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearly three years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid the synthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animal products. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animals’ lives, our planet’s well-being and conservation of resources.> Recently, however, I’ve begun to re-evaluate my choices for a truly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. I’m realizing that being vegan in Montana isn’t nearly as sustainable as eating meat raised in a place like Bryan’s farm. My endive and fig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comes from anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meat and potatoes from right down the road.> Within the past year I’ve reintroduced the occasional meal of wild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home. I’ve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how and where the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed.> My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of the animal and aim to be “one shot wonders.â€� They took me hunting this fall. We didn’t kill an animal that day, but I am still committed to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with a sort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest, self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybe some sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the last step in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humility and depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. His respect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty about confronting the life-death transition, are inspirational and affirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience of killing the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan â€" the world would be better for it.> ROSE TOCKE> Helena, Montana> The Vegetarian Choice> http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx> > Peter H > > > > > Sent from - a smarter inbox. > > > > > > Sent from - a smarter inbox. > > > > > > Sent from - a smarter inbox. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail. > Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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