Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008  Hi Peter I really don't follow Rugby - but I thought on recent form England were one of the best teams in the world - didn't they win the world cup a couple of years ago, and then do pretty well again this year? In tennis, something I do follow, the British national hero (supported by the English as much as anyone) is Scottish. In motor racing a few years back, most English people were supporting David Coulthard (until he went to a crummy team and there were other British people who were in a better position to win). The sports I follow don't tend to have great Welsh competitors, but I don't see any reason why the English wouldn't support them if they did exist, just as they support the Scots. BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:13 PM Re: Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution I think its curious that if England win at Rugby they get four pages in the newspaper, If Wales,Scotland, or Ireland win they are lucky to get a whole page. Its all out of proportion, and thats what adds fuel to the fire. If you looked back to the pre game press, it was all England are going to win the 6 nations, they are the best team, even the comentary on the first half was pretty exagerated, he soon shut up in the second half mind! You will never stop the competetive streak between England and Wales at rugby, its always seen as the big game in the 6 nations. Burning flags is just stupid. Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Tuesday, 5 February, 2008 8:15:51 AMRe: Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution Hi JoThis is a very good point... I've found that once the English teams areknocked out of something, if there's another UK team left in, the Englishwill transfer their support to them.... unlike the last world cup when theWelsh and Scottish were burning English flags. I remember that when Englandplayed Brazil, the sale of Brazilian flags in Scotland and Wales was higherfor that week than for the national flag of their own countries!!! !BBPeter-"heartwerk" <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com><@gro ups.com>Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:44 AM Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts EvolutionAlso, once when discussing ruby and Welsh hatred of the English yousaid that the television never supported the Welsh team. Well thanksto you and that discussion I have since become a rugby fan, and watchit whenever it is on the television. I can tell you without a shadowof a doubt that the 'English' television thoroughly supports Wales,Ireland and Scotland exactly the same as it does England. The samehappens in all other sports too - Andy Murray is an example.I think it's about time you stopped holding old grudges about thingsthat happened centuries ago, and not to you personally.Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Somehow I find that hard to believe, unfotunately.>> Peter H>>>>> > metalscarab <metalscarab@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:04:13 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>> > Hi Peter>> I dunno - I've not heard any English people have any antagonismtoward the Welsh... except in retaliation!>> BB> Peter> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Monday, February 04, 2008 8:40 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> And to be fair vice versa......>> Peter H>>>>> > metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:38:25 AM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > Hi Jo / Peter>> So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English?>> BB> Peter> -> jo> @gro ups.com> Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the Englandteam to win!>> Jo> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> The best team won in the end!>> Peter H>>>>> > jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half,England not too good in second.>> Jo> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> I agree.> Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby todayon English soil?....... ...>> Peter H>>>>> > metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > Hi Peter>> I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity inthe suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any ofthe "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terriblepun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be trulyenvironmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impactof localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg!>> And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on hislocal farm almost certainly will have a large number of travelmiles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round.>> BB> Peter> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> Dont know what to make of this :> Thanks to Bryan Welch (â?oWhy I Farm,â?� February/March 2007) forhis moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearlythree years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid thesynthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animalproducts. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animalsâ?Tlives, our planetâ?Ts well-being and conservation of resources.> Recently, however, Iâ?Tve begun to re-evaluate my choices for atruly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. Iâ?Tmrealizing that being vegan in Montana isnâ?Tt nearly as sustainableas eating meat raised in a place like Bryanâ?Ts farm. My endive andfig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comesfrom anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meatand potatoes from right down the road.> Within the past year Iâ?Tve reintroduced the occasional meal ofwild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home.Iâ?Tve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how andwhere the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed.> My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of theanimal and aim to be â?oone shot wonders.â?� They took me huntingthis fall. We didnâ?Tt kill an animal that day, but I am stillcommitted to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with asort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest,self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybesome sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the laststep in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humilityand depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. Hisrespect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty aboutconfronting the life-death transition, are inspirational andaffirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience ofkilling the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan â?"the world would be better for it.> ROSE TOCKE> Helena, Montana> The Vegetarian Choice> http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx>> Peter H>>>>> Sent from - a smarter inbox.>>>>>> Sent from - a smarter inbox.>>>>>> Sent from - a smarter inbox.>>>>>> Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail. >To send an email to -unsubscr ibe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008  Hi Peter / Peter Colin has just pointed out that there are/have been quite a few Welsh snooker players - all supported by the television presenters. Jo - metalscarab Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:51 PM Re: Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution  Hi Peter I really don't follow Rugby - but I thought on recent form England were one of the best teams in the world - didn't they win the world cup a couple of years ago, and then do pretty well again this year? In tennis, something I do follow, the British national hero (supported by the English as much as anyone) is Scottish. In motor racing a few years back, most English people were supporting David Coulthard (until he went to a crummy team and there were other British people who were in a better position to win). The sports I follow don't tend to have great Welsh competitors, but I don't see any reason why the English wouldn't support them if they did exist, just as they support the Scots. BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:13 PM Re: Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution I think its curious that if England win at Rugby they get four pages in the newspaper, If Wales,Scotland, or Ireland win they are lucky to get a whole page. Its all out of proportion, and thats what adds fuel to the fire. If you looked back to the pre game press, it was all England are going to win the 6 nations, they are the best team, even the comentary on the first half was pretty exagerated, he soon shut up in the second half mind! You will never stop the competetive streak between England and Wales at rugby, its always seen as the big game in the 6 nations. Burning flags is just stupid. Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Tuesday, 5 February, 2008 8:15:51 AMRe: Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution Hi JoThis is a very good point... I've found that once the English teams areknocked out of something, if there's another UK team left in, the Englishwill transfer their support to them.... unlike the last world cup when theWelsh and Scottish were burning English flags. I remember that when Englandplayed Brazil, the sale of Brazilian flags in Scotland and Wales was higherfor that week than for the national flag of their own countries!!! !BBPeter-"heartwerk" <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com><@gro ups.com>Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:44 AM Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts EvolutionAlso, once when discussing ruby and Welsh hatred of the English yousaid that the television never supported the Welsh team. Well thanksto you and that discussion I have since become a rugby fan, and watchit whenever it is on the television. I can tell you without a shadowof a doubt that the 'English' television thoroughly supports Wales,Ireland and Scotland exactly the same as it does England. The samehappens in all other sports too - Andy Murray is an example.I think it's about time you stopped holding old grudges about thingsthat happened centuries ago, and not to you personally.Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Somehow I find that hard to believe, unfotunately.>> Peter H>>>>> > metalscarab <metalscarab@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:04:13 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>> > Hi Peter>> I dunno - I've not heard any English people have any antagonismtoward the Welsh... except in retaliation!>> BB> Peter> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Monday, February 04, 2008 8:40 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> And to be fair vice versa......>> Peter H>>>>> > metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:38:25 AM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > Hi Jo / Peter>> So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English?>> BB> Peter> -> jo> @gro ups.com> Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the Englandteam to win!>> Jo> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> The best team won in the end!>> Peter H>>>>> > jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half,England not too good in second.>> Jo> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> I agree.> Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby todayon English soil?....... ...>> Peter H>>>>> > metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > Hi Peter>> I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity inthe suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any ofthe "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terriblepun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be trulyenvironmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impactof localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg!>> And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on hislocal farm almost certainly will have a large number of travelmiles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round.>> BB> Peter> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> Dont know what to make of this :> Thanks to Bryan Welch (â?oWhy I Farm,â?� February/March 2007) forhis moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearlythree years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid thesynthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animalproducts. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animalsâ?Tlives, our planetâ?Ts well-being and conservation of resources.> Recently, however, Iâ?Tve begun to re-evaluate my choices for atruly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. Iâ?Tmrealizing that being vegan in Montana isnâ?Tt nearly as sustainableas eating meat raised in a place like Bryanâ?Ts farm. My endive andfig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comesfrom anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meatand potatoes from right down the road.> Within the past year Iâ?Tve reintroduced the occasional meal ofwild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home.Iâ?Tve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how andwhere the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed.> My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of theanimal and aim to be â?oone shot wonders.â?� They took me huntingthis fall. We didnâ?Tt kill an animal that day, but I am stillcommitted to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with asort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest,self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybesome sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the laststep in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humilityand depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. Hisrespect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty aboutconfronting the life-death transition, are inspirational andaffirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience ofkilling the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan â?"the world would be better for it.> ROSE TOCKE> Helena, Montana> The Vegetarian Choice> http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx>> Peter H>>>>> Sent from - a smarter inbox.>>>>>> Sent from - a smarter inbox.>>>>>> Sent from - a smarter inbox.>>>>>> Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail. >To send an email to -unsubscr ibe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008  Hi Jo Indeed - many years ago (when I used to watch), I seem to recall both Ray Reardon and Terry Griffiths being very popular... much more popular with the English commentators than Steve Davis! BB Peter - jo Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:02 PM Re: Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution  Hi Peter / Peter Colin has just pointed out that there are/have been quite a few Welsh snooker players - all supported by the television presenters. Jo - metalscarab Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:51 PM Re: Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution  Hi Peter I really don't follow Rugby - but I thought on recent form England were one of the best teams in the world - didn't they win the world cup a couple of years ago, and then do pretty well again this year? In tennis, something I do follow, the British national hero (supported by the English as much as anyone) is Scottish. In motor racing a few years back, most English people were supporting David Coulthard (until he went to a crummy team and there were other British people who were in a better position to win). The sports I follow don't tend to have great Welsh competitors, but I don't see any reason why the English wouldn't support them if they did exist, just as they support the Scots. BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:13 PM Re: Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution I think its curious that if England win at Rugby they get four pages in the newspaper, If Wales,Scotland, or Ireland win they are lucky to get a whole page. Its all out of proportion, and thats what adds fuel to the fire. If you looked back to the pre game press, it was all England are going to win the 6 nations, they are the best team, even the comentary on the first half was pretty exagerated, he soon shut up in the second half mind! You will never stop the competetive streak between England and Wales at rugby, its always seen as the big game in the 6 nations. Burning flags is just stupid. Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Tuesday, 5 February, 2008 8:15:51 AMRe: Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution Hi JoThis is a very good point... I've found that once the English teams areknocked out of something, if there's another UK team left in, the Englishwill transfer their support to them.... unlike the last world cup when theWelsh and Scottish were burning English flags. I remember that when Englandplayed Brazil, the sale of Brazilian flags in Scotland and Wales was higherfor that week than for the national flag of their own countries!!! !BBPeter-"heartwerk" <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com><@gro ups.com>Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:44 AM Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts EvolutionAlso, once when discussing ruby and Welsh hatred of the English yousaid that the television never supported the Welsh team. Well thanksto you and that discussion I have since become a rugby fan, and watchit whenever it is on the television. I can tell you without a shadowof a doubt that the 'English' television thoroughly supports Wales,Ireland and Scotland exactly the same as it does England. The samehappens in all other sports too - Andy Murray is an example.I think it's about time you stopped holding old grudges about thingsthat happened centuries ago, and not to you personally.Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Somehow I find that hard to believe, unfotunately.>> Peter H>>>>> > metalscarab <metalscarab@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:04:13 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>> > Hi Peter>> I dunno - I've not heard any English people have any antagonismtoward the Welsh... except in retaliation!>> BB> Peter> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Monday, February 04, 2008 8:40 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> And to be fair vice versa......>> Peter H>>>>> > metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 4 February, 2008 9:38:25 AM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > Hi Jo / Peter>> So, displaying a fairly standard Welsh attitude toward the English?>> BB> Peter> -> jo> @gro ups.com> Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:41 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > ....but look how many injuries they had to cause to the Englandteam to win!>> Jo> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:20 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> The best team won in the end!>> Peter H>>>>> > jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 2 February, 2008 11:18:39 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > Watch it!! Twas a good match - Wales not too good in first half,England not too good in second.>> Jo> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:22 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> I agree.> Oh by the way, did I mention that Wales beat England at rugby todayon English soil?....... ...>> Peter H>>>>> > metalscarab <metalscarab@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 2 February, 2008 9:18:44 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> > Hi Peter>> I'd say it's rather lazy thinking. There is a certain validity inthe suggestion that meat from local animals won't have any ofthe "travel miles" from exotic fruits. But, at the risk of a terriblepun, it's comparing apples and pears... if he wanted to be trulyenvironmentally friendly with his diet, he would compare the impactof localy farmed meat with the impact of locally farmed veg!>> And, as Katy's just pointed out, the feed for the animals on hislocal farm almost certainly will have a large number of travelmiles... so, woolly thinking on his part all round.>> BB> Peter> -> Peter VV> @gro ups.com> Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:46 PM> Re: An Omnivoreâ?Ts Evolution>>> Dont know what to make of this :> Thanks to Bryan Welch (â?oWhy I Farm,â?� February/March 2007) forhis moving story of farm life. I have been mostly vegan for nearlythree years, primarily to eat lower on the food chain and avoid thesynthetic chemicals, hormones and antibiotics found in most animalproducts. I also choose this lifestyle in consideration of animalsâ?Tlives, our planetâ?Ts well-being and conservation of resources.> Recently, however, Iâ?Tve begun to re-evaluate my choices for atruly sustainable, healthy and environmentally sound diet. Iâ?Tmrealizing that being vegan in Montana isnâ?Tt nearly as sustainableas eating meat raised in a place like Bryanâ?Ts farm. My endive andfig salad with orange-balsamic vinaigrette, nothing of which comesfrom anywhere near Montana, strains the environment more than meatand potatoes from right down the road.> Within the past year Iâ?Tve reintroduced the occasional meal ofwild game, hunted by some friends on land within miles of my home.Iâ?Tve accepted this meat back in my diet because I know how andwhere the animal lived, what it ate and how it was killed.> My friends hunt with reverence and respect for the life of theanimal and aim to be â?oone shot wonders.â?� They took me huntingthis fall. We didnâ?Tt kill an animal that day, but I am stillcommitted to pursuing this experience. Although I await it with asort of existential sadness. I fantasize of someday having a modest,self-sustaining farm with a fabulous garden, a few chickens and maybesome sheep or goats for meat, milk and fiber. That would be the laststep in my evolution as an omnivore. I deeply appreciate the humilityand depth of connection Bryan has with his farm and animals. Hisrespect and reverence for their lives, and his honesty aboutconfronting the life-death transition, are inspirational andaffirming. I wish all meat-eaters could face the experience ofkilling the animals that sustain them with as much grace as Bryan â?"the world would be better for it.> ROSE TOCKE> Helena, Montana> The Vegetarian Choice> http://www.motherea rthnews.com/ Modern-Homestead ing/2007- 04-01/Dear- Mother-April- May-2007. aspx>> Peter H>>>>> Sent from - a smarter inbox.>>>>>> Sent from - a smarter inbox.>>>>>> Sent from - a smarter inbox.>>>>>> Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail. >To send an email to -unsubscr ibe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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