Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 the arabs sell oil at $16 a barrell to europe. they sell it to chile for $10 per barrell. they sell it to us for $130 per barrell. same oil, same barrell. why? because the U.S. will pay it, no matter how high the cost goes. why? because we are a nation dependent on oil. if we want the gas prices to come down, the only way is to be less dependent on oil. we need to generate all our energy from solar, wind, and water power. how would you like it if you never had to put gas in your car or pay any utilities every month? wouldn't that be nice? the problem is most people want fast cars and big fancy houses and are not willing to go green or live green or live with less stuff. so, until people change, nothing else will change. , Blake Wilson <mbw wrote: > > frag's right. these inane " don't buy gas " > scaremails have been around for a couple years: > > http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/nogas.asp > > yawn.... > > >too bad it could never work, as the system doesn't work that way > > > >you want lower gas prices, use less.... > > > >tis the only way > > > > > >angelicammo > >May 15, 2008 8:10 AM > >ammo , Heather Zacchi , yudystuff , L Wong , > >Kevin Williams , Andrea Wiggins , Caren Welch , > >w1tjl, , Tu , > >Al Tremblay , tomstarr12 , > >taylormiranda12, " susan.moynihan " , > >SurveySpot , PAMELA STEVENS , Elsie Squier , > >smeegdoieva , setter_estates, Tina > >Sessa , Scott , Justin Salvio , rocco , > >Rjbsims, rebeccacooke, > >rbarnes747 , raysjerseygirlinmass , Jenni Raabe > >, questions, Philip Pockoski , > >charlotte plummer , Phia , phatnuts75 , Lindsey > >Peirce , Lindsey Peirce , Paralegal , bette > >papadinis , christine omalley , Susan OKonis , > >Andrea Oberle , TIMOTHY NORMAN , n1st , > >myboyand3girls , Simone Minichino , > >mindywest, Rich and Michele , > >MichaelCrist, > >meteagle, Aimee Menapace , Melissa , > >Angela Melendez , Elena McFarland , > >marykohrer, marybatchelder , Donna Marie > >, Ken Marceau , Sue's Mail , Madman169, > >Jacqui Maddy , luvbeinmom04 , Maryann Los , > >Emily Ljubicic , lisacvd , > >lisa, Landa Leavy , > >KIM LAMESA , Rebekah Ladona , kwolffmorales , > >krettman, kitchykat1 , > >kbrobston, kathrynmroy , kathbeach4 , > >Julianne , juggle82001, jr9kitty , > >Desiree Joy , jonathan927 , Kelly Johnson , > >Denise Johnson , " Christopher R. Johnson " , > >jj768_01, Jessica , jennw0507 , Jein , > >Caya Jappinen , jannvb , jamjwu142 , JUDITH > >JADOVICH , iceeeen, > >Hufnagelocsi, Nancy Hendryx , Greta , > >carla guild , GreenEyedAngel , giveitanewlife , > >Lisa Gillis , geniesmommy, Rolando M > >Garcia , gail , Gail , " gabrielle.johnson28 " , > >futuremrswheelie , > >FarmingtonValleyFreecycleCafe , > >frankmisericordia , Maryjo Franklin , for2knit , > >DIANA FISKE , Angie Fish , Joe Ferrara , > >Jennifer Feigenbaum , emmabatchelor , > >EGoff1976, eens , mercedes echevarria , > > " e.thomas77 " , ROBERT DWYER , Joan Dunn , tracy > >dubois , coleen donaldson , Joyce Dolat , > >diane.f.menard, DIANE OATES , > >dette51 , debr916 , Debbie , Debbie , dbb , > >David , cutimami , > >CT4free4sale4rent4trade , > >creativehearts1 , corinnefreaney , conniegalli , > >congsignment , colechia, coeja73 , > >chickpower06 , cheesecake1171 , cboice, > >cathleen.long, BMCPEDIRN, > >betheriver , " Bernier, Robert " , > >basillake, baileybiz, > >april cassidy , Annmarie , angelsee1 , > >aidiansmom , adin , acheymomma , > >aaron buchanan , > >3dogs2kids1cat > > Fw: [aidiansmom] No Gas on May 15 (TODAY) > > > > > >- > ><mrbmgrn4life1968 > ><aidiansmom >aidiansmom > >Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:41 AM > >[aidiansmom] No Gas on May 15 (TODAY) > > > >Just passing on the message. Obviously, it's your choice. Just in > >case you would want to know...... > > > >NO GAS...On May 15th 2008 - Don't pump gas on May 15th > > > >In April 1997, there was a " gas out " conducted nationwide in protest > >of gas > >prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight. > > > >On May 15th 2008, all internet users are to not go to a gas station in > >protest of high gas prices. Gas is now over $3.50 a gallon in most > >places. > > > >There are 73,000,000+ American members currently on the internet > >network, > >and the average car takes about $30 to $50 to fill up. > > > >If all users did not go to the pump on the 15th, it would take > >$2,292,000,000.00 (that's almost $3 BILLION) out of the oil company's > >pockets for just one day, so please do not go to the gas station on > >May > >15th and let's try to put a dent in the Middle Eastern oil industry > >for at > >least one day. > > > >If you agree (which I can¢t see why you wouldn't) resend this to your > >entire contact list. With it saying, ''Don't pump gas on May 15th " ! > > > > > > > >What gets us into trouble is not what we don't > >know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't > >so. > >- Mark Twain > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Hi Marcie > the arabs sell oil at $16 a barrell to europe. they sell it to chile > for $10 per barrell. they sell it to us for $130 per barrell. So, where do those figures come from? Reason I ask is that, although Americans like to think their petrol prices are the highest in the world, petrol in the UK still costs more than twice as much.... (currently at around $8 per gallon). The original article says that the average car costs $30 to fill up. I have a very small car (smaller than anything you'd get in the US - a Nissan Micra), and this costs me the equivalent of $70 to fill up. An " average " US car would cost well over $100 to fill up at a UK petrol station. So, bearing that in mind, I find it quite hard to believe that the UK buys its petrol at a tenth of what the US buys it for! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 hmmm while i agree on the "use less" definately, may i ask about where you got your facts mentioned in the first part? the price of oil is dictated a lot by traders, the price goes up up the mercantile boards around the world, of course this is majorly affected by supply and demand, but also by fears, speculation, etc and so forth the worlds oil producers affect prices by how much they pump, and how much they charge for a base price, but that $127/bbl price out there now is not what they set, thats the mercantile boards and ppl buying up supplies that's also a worldwide price, what you pay on the open market... countries can set up agreements with certain producers, say, "we agree to pay $50/bbl for 5 yrs, even if the price goes below that world wide" funny thing is, Hugo Chavez offered this to the US several years ago, forgot the exact price, but he said "prices are going to go up, we'll lock you in at this price, no matter how high it goes" and of course we laughed at him....funny how no one remembers that... Tis a tad funny how we over here in the colonies have this vision of "the arabs" and the middle east...oooo., them arabs are driving up our price of gas...actually..we get only a portion of our oil from the midfdle east here. Europe of course is different, as is apan and other areas, but....the top places we import from are: Canada, and Mexico.... then Saudi Arabia then Venezuala, Nigeria, and i forget where after that...but, out of our top ten importers only two countries send us any large amounts of oil, the saudis and iraq...heck, we get a lot of imports from the UK..maybe we should bomb them..(lucky for our english pals that their north sea deposits are tanking, so, we'll hold off on the attack..for now..) but, yeah, we could change all this around with investments in alterno's alas, it may all be too little too late (sorry, i'ma big doomer on this note..i foresee wholesale worldwide collapse) anywho..i blame charlie chaplan...why? well, gotta blame someone.... Marcie Jones May 15, 2008 9:05 PM Re: No Gas on May 15 (TODAY) the arabs sell oil at $16 a barrell to europe. they sell it to chile for $10 per barrell. they sell it to us for $130 per barrell. same oil, same barrell. why? because the U.S. will pay it, no matter how high the cost goes. why? because we are a nation dependent on oil. if we want the gas prices to come down, the only way is to be less dependent on oil. we need to generate all our energy from solar, wind, and water power. how would you like it if you never had to put gas in your car or pay any utilities every month? wouldn't that be nice? the problem is most people want fast cars and big fancy houses and are not willing to go green or live green or live with less stuff. so, until people change, nothing else will change. , Blake Wilson <mbw wrote:>> frag's right. these inane "don't buy gas" > scaremails have been around for a couple years:> > http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/nogas.asp> > yawn....> > >too bad it could never work, as the system doesn't work that way> >> >you want lower gas prices, use less....> >> >tis the only way> >> >> >angelicammo> >May 15, 2008 8:10 AM> >ammo , Heather Zacchi , yudystuff , L Wong , > >Kevin Williams , Andrea Wiggins , Caren Welch , > >w1tjl, , Tu , > >Al Tremblay , tomstarr12 , > >taylormiranda12, "susan.moynihan" , > >SurveySpot , PAMELA STEVENS , Elsie Squier , > >smeegdoieva , setter_estates, Tina > >Sessa , Scott , Justin Salvio , rocco , > >Rjbsims, rebeccacooke, > >rbarnes747 , raysjerseygirlinmass , Jenni Raabe > >, questions, Philip Pockoski , > >charlotte plummer , Phia , phatnuts75 , Lindsey > >Peirce , Lindsey Peirce , Paralegal , bette > >papadinis , christine omalley , Susan OKonis , > >Andrea Oberle , TIMOTHY NORMAN , n1st , > >myboyand3girls , Simone Minichino , > >mindywest, Rich and Michele , > >MichaelCrist, > >meteagle, Aimee Menapace , Melissa , > >Angela Melendez , Elena McFarland , > >marykohrer, marybatchelder , Donna Marie > >, Ken Marceau , Sue's Mail , Madman169, > >Jacqui Maddy , luvbeinmom04 , Maryann Los , > >Emily Ljubicic , lisacvd , > >lisa, Landa Leavy , > >KIM LAMESA , Rebekah Ladona , kwolffmorales , > >krettman, kitchykat1 , > >kbrobston, kathrynmroy , kathbeach4 , > >Julianne , juggle82001, jr9kitty , > >Desiree Joy , jonathan927 , Kelly Johnson , > >Denise Johnson , "Christopher R. Johnson" , > >jj768_01, Jessica , jennw0507 , Jein , > >Caya Jappinen , jannvb , jamjwu142 , JUDITH > >JADOVICH , iceeeen, > >Hufnagelocsi, Nancy Hendryx , Greta , > >carla guild , GreenEyedAngel , giveitanewlife , > >Lisa Gillis , geniesmommy, Rolando M > >Garcia , gail , Gail , "gabrielle.johnson28" , > >futuremrswheelie , > >FarmingtonValleyFreecycleCafe , > >frankmisericordia , Maryjo Franklin , for2knit , > >DIANA FISKE , Angie Fish , Joe Ferrara , > >Jennifer Feigenbaum , emmabatchelor , > >EGoff1976, eens , mercedes echevarria , > >"e.thomas77" , ROBERT DWYER , Joan Dunn , tracy > >dubois , coleen donaldson , Joyce Dolat , > >diane.f.menard, DIANE OATES , > >dette51 , debr916 , Debbie , Debbie , dbb , > >David , cutimami , > >CT4free4sale4rent4trade , > >creativehearts1 , corinnefreaney , conniegalli , > >congsignment , colechia, coeja73 , > >chickpower06 , cheesecake1171 , cboice, > >cathleen.long, BMCPEDIRN, > >betheriver , "Bernier, Robert " , > >basillake, baileybiz, > >april cassidy , Annmarie , angelsee1 , > >aidiansmom , adin , acheymomma , > >aaron buchanan , > >3dogs2kids1cat > Fw: [aidiansmom] No Gas on May 15 (TODAY)> >> >> >-> ><mrbmgrn4life1968> ><aidiansmom >aidiansmom > >Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:41 AM> >[aidiansmom] No Gas on May 15 (TODAY)> >> >Just passing on the message. Obviously, it's your choice. Just in> >case you would want to know......> >> >NO GAS...On May 15th 2008 - Don't pump gas on May 15th> >> >In April 1997, there was a "gas out" conducted nationwide in protest> >of gas> >prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight.> >> >On May 15th 2008, all internet users are to not go to a gas station in> >protest of high gas prices. Gas is now over $3.50 a gallon in most> >places.> >> >There are 73,000,000+ American members currently on the internet> >network,> >and the average car takes about $30 to $50 to fill up.> >> >If all users did not go to the pump on the 15th, it would take> >$2,292,000,000.00 (that's almost $3 BILLION) out of the oil company's> >pockets for just one day, so please do not go to the gas station on> >May> >15th and let's try to put a dent in the Middle Eastern oil industry> >for at> >least one day.> >> >If you agree (which I can¢t see why you wouldn't) resend this to your> >entire contact list. With it saying, ''Don't pump gas on May 15th"!> >> >> >> >What gets us into trouble is not what we don't > >know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't > >so.> >- Mark Twain> >> >> What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 well, you'd be able to fill up much "cheaper" here if you brought over those pounds! dollar is in the gutter... Peter May 16, 2008 1:36 AM Re: Re: No Gas on May 15 (TODAY) Hi Marcie> the arabs sell oil at $16 a barrell to europe. they sell it to chile> for $10 per barrell. they sell it to us for $130 per barrell.So, where do those figures come from?Reason I ask is that, although Americans like to think their petrol prices are the highest in the world, petrol in the UK still costs more than twice as much.... (currently at around $8 per gallon).The original article says that the average car costs $30 to fill up. I have a very small car (smaller than anything you'd get in the US - a Nissan Micra), and this costs me the equivalent of $70 to fill up. An "average" US car would cost well over $100 to fill up at a UK petrol station.So, bearing that in mind, I find it quite hard to believe that the UK buys its petrol at a tenth of what the US buys it for!BBPeter What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008  Hi Fraggle I find it vaguely ironic that in the UK, we have huge oil fields and oil rigs in the North Sea - but we still import most of our oil and gas from places like Russia!!!!! BB Peter - fraggle Friday, May 16, 2008 4:30 PM Re: Re: No Gas on May 15 (TODAY) hmmm while i agree on the "use less" definately, may i ask about where you got your facts mentioned in the first part? the price of oil is dictated a lot by traders, the price goes up up the mercantile boards around the world, of course this is majorly affected by supply and demand, but also by fears, speculation, etc and so forth the worlds oil producers affect prices by how much they pump, and how much they charge for a base price, but that $127/bbl price out there now is not what they set, thats the mercantile boards and ppl buying up supplies that's also a worldwide price, what you pay on the open market... countries can set up agreements with certain producers, say, "we agree to pay $50/bbl for 5 yrs, even if the price goes below that world wide" funny thing is, Hugo Chavez offered this to the US several years ago, forgot the exact price, but he said "prices are going to go up, we'll lock you in at this price, no matter how high it goes" and of course we laughed at him....funny how no one remembers that... Tis a tad funny how we over here in the colonies have this vision of "the arabs" and the middle east...oooo., them arabs are driving up our price of gas...actually..we get only a portion of our oil from the midfdle east here. Europe of course is different, as is apan and other areas, but....the top places we import from are: Canada, and Mexico.... then Saudi Arabia then Venezuala, Nigeria, and i forget where after that...but, out of our top ten importers only two countries send us any large amounts of oil, the saudis and iraq...heck, we get a lot of imports from the UK..maybe we should bomb them..(lucky for our english pals that their north sea deposits are tanking, so, we'll hold off on the attack..for now..) but, yeah, we could change all this around with investments in alterno's alas, it may all be too little too late (sorry, i'ma big doomer on this note..i foresee wholesale worldwide collapse) anywho..i blame charlie chaplan...why? well, gotta blame someone.... Marcie Jones May 15, 2008 9:05 PM Re: No Gas on May 15 (TODAY) the arabs sell oil at $16 a barrell to europe. they sell it to chile for $10 per barrell. they sell it to us for $130 per barrell. same oil, same barrell. why? because the U.S. will pay it, no matter how high the cost goes. why? because we are a nation dependent on oil. if we want the gas prices to come down, the only way is to be less dependent on oil. we need to generate all our energy from solar, wind, and water power. how would you like it if you never had to put gas in your car or pay any utilities every month? wouldn't that be nice? the problem is most people want fast cars and big fancy houses and are not willing to go green or live green or live with less stuff. so, until people change, nothing else will change. , Blake Wilson <mbw wrote:>> frag's right. these inane "don't buy gas" > scaremails have been around for a couple years:> > http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/nogas.asp> > yawn....> > >too bad it could never work, as the system doesn't work that way> >> >you want lower gas prices, use less....> >> >tis the only way> >> >> >angelicammo> >May 15, 2008 8:10 AM> >ammo , Heather Zacchi , yudystuff , L Wong , > >Kevin Williams , Andrea Wiggins , Caren Welch , > >w1tjl, , Tu , > >Al Tremblay , tomstarr12 , > >taylormiranda12, "susan.moynihan" , > >SurveySpot , PAMELA STEVENS , Elsie Squier , > >smeegdoieva , setter_estates, Tina > >Sessa , Scott , Justin Salvio , rocco , > >Rjbsims, rebeccacooke, > >rbarnes747 , raysjerseygirlinmass , Jenni Raabe > >, questions, Philip Pockoski , > >charlotte plummer , Phia , phatnuts75 , Lindsey > >Peirce , Lindsey Peirce , Paralegal , bette > >papadinis , christine omalley , Susan OKonis , > >Andrea Oberle , TIMOTHY NORMAN , n1st , > >myboyand3girls , Simone Minichino , > >mindywest, Rich and Michele , > >MichaelCrist, > >meteagle, Aimee Menapace , Melissa , > >Angela Melendez , Elena McFarland , > >marykohrer, marybatchelder , Donna Marie > >, Ken Marceau , Sue's Mail , Madman169, > >Jacqui Maddy , luvbeinmom04 , Maryann Los , > >Emily Ljubicic , lisacvd , > >lisa, Landa Leavy , > >KIM LAMESA , Rebekah Ladona , kwolffmorales , > >krettman, kitchykat1 , > >kbrobston, kathrynmroy , kathbeach4 , > >Julianne , juggle82001, jr9kitty , > >Desiree Joy , jonathan927 , Kelly Johnson , > >Denise Johnson , "Christopher R. Johnson" , > >jj768_01, Jessica , jennw0507 , Jein , > >Caya Jappinen , jannvb , jamjwu142 , JUDITH > >JADOVICH , iceeeen, > >Hufnagelocsi, Nancy Hendryx , Greta , > >carla guild , GreenEyedAngel , giveitanewlife , > >Lisa Gillis , geniesmommy, Rolando M > >Garcia , gail , Gail , "gabrielle.johnson28" , > >futuremrswheelie , > >FarmingtonValleyFreecycleCafe , > >frankmisericordia , Maryjo Franklin , for2knit , > >DIANA FISKE , Angie Fish , Joe Ferrara , > >Jennifer Feigenbaum , emmabatchelor , > >EGoff1976, eens , mercedes echevarria , > >"e.thomas77" , ROBERT DWYER , Joan Dunn , tracy > >dubois , coleen donaldson , Joyce Dolat , > >diane.f.menard, DIANE OATES , > >dette51 , debr916 , Debbie , Debbie , dbb , > >David , cutimami , > >CT4free4sale4rent4trade , > >creativehearts1 , corinnefreaney , conniegalli , > >congsignment , colechia, coeja73 , > >chickpower06 , cheesecake1171 , cboice, > >cathleen.long, BMCPEDIRN, > >betheriver , "Bernier, Robert " , > >basillake, baileybiz, > >april cassidy , Annmarie , angelsee1 , > >aidiansmom , adin , acheymomma , > >aaron buchanan , > >3dogs2kids1cat > Fw: [aidiansmom] No Gas on May 15 (TODAY)> >> >> >-> ><mrbmgrn4life1968> ><aidiansmom >aidiansmom > >Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:41 AM> >[aidiansmom] No Gas on May 15 (TODAY)> >> >Just passing on the message. Obviously, it's your choice. Just in> >case you would want to know......> >> >NO GAS...On May 15th 2008 - Don't pump gas on May 15th> >> >In April 1997, there was a "gas out" conducted nationwide in protest> >of gas> >prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight.> >> >On May 15th 2008, all internet users are to not go to a gas station in> >protest of high gas prices. Gas is now over $3.50 a gallon in most> >places.> >> >There are 73,000,000+ American members currently on the internet> >network,> >and the average car takes about $30 to $50 to fill up.> >> >If all users did not go to the pump on the 15th, it would take> >$2,292,000,000.00 (that's almost $3 BILLION) out of the oil company's> >pockets for just one day, so please do not go to the gas station on> >May> >15th and let's try to put a dent in the Middle Eastern oil industry> >for at> >least one day.> >> >If you agree (which I can¢t see why you wouldn't) resend this to your> >entire contact list. With it saying, ''Don't pump gas on May 15th"!> >> >> >> >What gets us into trouble is not what we don't > >know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't > >so.> >- Mark Twain> >> >> What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 we prolly have some agreement with ya'll so that you sell us some of yer oil.... Peter May 16, 2008 8:42 AM Re: Re: No Gas on May 15 (TODAY)  Hi Fraggle I find it vaguely ironic that in the UK, we have huge oil fields and oil rigs in the North Sea - but we still import most of our oil and gas from places like Russia!!!!! BB Peter - fraggle Friday, May 16, 2008 4:30 PM Re: Re: No Gas on May 15 (TODAY) hmmm while i agree on the "use less" definately, may i ask about where you got your facts mentioned in the first part? the price of oil is dictated a lot by traders, the price goes up up the mercantile boards around the world, of course this is majorly affected by supply and demand, but also by fears, speculation, etc and so forth the worlds oil producers affect prices by how much they pump, and how much they charge for a base price, but that $127/bbl price out there now is not what they set, thats the mercantile boards and ppl buying up supplies that's also a worldwide price, what you pay on the open market... countries can set up agreements with certain producers, say, "we agree to pay $50/bbl for 5 yrs, even if the price goes below that world wide" funny thing is, Hugo Chavez offered this to the US several years ago, forgot the exact price, but he said "prices are going to go up, we'll lock you in at this price, no matter how high it goes" and of course we laughed at him....funny how no one remembers that... Tis a tad funny how we over here in the colonies have this vision of "the arabs" and the middle east...oooo., them arabs are driving up our price of gas...actually..we get only a portion of our oil from the midfdle east here. Europe of course is different, as is apan and other areas, but....the top places we import from are: Canada, and Mexico.... then Saudi Arabia then Venezuala, Nigeria, and i forget where after that...but, out of our top ten importers only two countries send us any large amounts of oil, the saudis and iraq...heck, we get a lot of imports from the UK..maybe we should bomb them..(lucky for our english pals that their north sea deposits are tanking, so, we'll hold off on the attack..for now..) but, yeah, we could change all this around with investments in alterno's alas, it may all be too little too late (sorry, i'ma big doomer on this note..i foresee wholesale worldwide collapse) anywho..i blame charlie chaplan...why? well, gotta blame someone.... Marcie Jones May 15, 2008 9:05 PM Re: No Gas on May 15 (TODAY) the arabs sell oil at $16 a barrell to europe. they sell it to chile for $10 per barrell. they sell it to us for $130 per barrell. same oil, same barrell. why? because the U.S. will pay it, no matter how high the cost goes. why? because we are a nation dependent on oil. if we want the gas prices to come down, the only way is to be less dependent on oil. we need to generate all our energy from solar, wind, and water power. how would you like it if you never had to put gas in your car or pay any utilities every month? wouldn't that be nice? the problem is most people want fast cars and big fancy houses and are not willing to go green or live green or live with less stuff. so, until people change, nothing else will change. , Blake Wilson <mbw wrote:>> frag's right. these inane "don't buy gas" > scaremails have been around for a couple years:> > http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/nogas.asp> > yawn....> > >too bad it could never work, as the system doesn't work that way> >> >you want lower gas prices, use less....> >> >tis the only way> >> >> >angelicammo> >May 15, 2008 8:10 AM> >ammo , Heather Zacchi , yudystuff , L Wong , > >Kevin Williams , Andrea Wiggins , Caren Welch , > >w1tjl, , Tu , > >Al Tremblay , tomstarr12 , > >taylormiranda12, "susan.moynihan" , > >SurveySpot , PAMELA STEVENS , Elsie Squier , > >smeegdoieva , setter_estates, Tina > >Sessa , Scott , Justin Salvio , rocco , > >Rjbsims, rebeccacooke, > >rbarnes747 , raysjerseygirlinmass , Jenni Raabe > >, questions, Philip Pockoski , > >charlotte plummer , Phia , phatnuts75 , Lindsey > >Peirce , Lindsey Peirce , Paralegal , bette > >papadinis , christine omalley , Susan OKonis , > >Andrea Oberle , TIMOTHY NORMAN , n1st , > >myboyand3girls , Simone Minichino , > >mindywest, Rich and Michele , > >MichaelCrist, > >meteagle, Aimee Menapace , Melissa , > >Angela Melendez , Elena McFarland , > >marykohrer, marybatchelder , Donna Marie > >, Ken Marceau , Sue's Mail , Madman169, > >Jacqui Maddy , luvbeinmom04 , Maryann Los , > >Emily Ljubicic , lisacvd , > >lisa, Landa Leavy , > >KIM LAMESA , Rebekah Ladona , kwolffmorales , > >krettman, kitchykat1 , > >kbrobston, kathrynmroy , kathbeach4 , > >Julianne , juggle82001, jr9kitty , > >Desiree Joy , jonathan927 , Kelly Johnson , > >Denise Johnson , "Christopher R. Johnson" , > >jj768_01, Jessica , jennw0507 , Jein , > >Caya Jappinen , jannvb , jamjwu142 , JUDITH > >JADOVICH , iceeeen, > >Hufnagelocsi, Nancy Hendryx , Greta , > >carla guild , GreenEyedAngel , giveitanewlife , > >Lisa Gillis , geniesmommy, Rolando M > >Garcia , gail , Gail , "gabrielle.johnson28" , > >futuremrswheelie , > >FarmingtonValleyFreecycleCafe , > >frankmisericordia , Maryjo Franklin , for2knit , > >DIANA FISKE , Angie Fish , Joe Ferrara , > >Jennifer Feigenbaum , emmabatchelor , > >EGoff1976, eens , mercedes echevarria , > >"e.thomas77" , ROBERT DWYER , Joan Dunn , tracy > >dubois , coleen donaldson , Joyce Dolat , > >diane.f.menard, DIANE OATES , > >dette51 , debr916 , Debbie , Debbie , dbb , > >David , cutimami , > >CT4free4sale4rent4trade , > >creativehearts1 , corinnefreaney , conniegalli , > >congsignment , colechia, coeja73 , > >chickpower06 , cheesecake1171 , cboice, > >cathleen.long, BMCPEDIRN, > >betheriver , "Bernier, Robert " , > >basillake, baileybiz, > >april cassidy , Annmarie , angelsee1 , > >aidiansmom , adin , acheymomma , > >aaron buchanan , > >3dogs2kids1cat > Fw: [aidiansmom] No Gas on May 15 (TODAY)> >> >> >-> ><mrbmgrn4life1968> ><aidiansmom >aidiansmom > >Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:41 AM> >[aidiansmom] No Gas on May 15 (TODAY)> >> >Just passing on the message. Obviously, it's your choice. Just in> >case you would want to know......> >> >NO GAS...On May 15th 2008 - Don't pump gas on May 15th> >> >In April 1997, there was a "gas out" conducted nationwide in protest> >of gas> >prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight.> >> >On May 15th 2008, all internet users are to not go to a gas station in> >protest of high gas prices. Gas is now over $3.50 a gallon in most> >places.> >> >There are 73,000,000+ American members currently on the internet> >network,> >and the average car takes about $30 to $50 to fill up.> >> >If all users did not go to the pump on the 15th, it would take> >$2,292,000,000.00 (that's almost $3 BILLION) out of the oil company's> >pockets for just one day, so please do not go to the gas station on> >May> >15th and let's try to put a dent in the Middle Eastern oil industry> >for at> >least one day.> >> >If you agree (which I can¢t see why you wouldn't) resend this to your> >entire contact list. With it saying, ''Don't pump gas on May 15th"!> >> >> >> >What gets us into trouble is not what we don't > >know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't > >so.> >- Mark Twain> >> >>What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Hey Fraggle, I agree with you completely, and I have the same attitude you do about the worldwide failure we are approaching. Plus, I'm a bah-humbug kind of person anyway, I'm against organized religion (the Catholic church is the wealthiest corporation in the world - or wait, is that the Mormons, oh anyway..) - I also hate prejudiced people, I am pro-gay marriage, If I called myself a religion I'd say I'm a Buddhist who believes in God - now I know I sound like a crackhead! LOL But anyhow, the $130 per barrell price I mentioned the other day was just the current price the U.S. was buying for at the time; I know it changes, etc. And I got the figure from a friend of mine who is a wallstreet wonder in NY. We were just talking and he blurted out "I can't believe how much we're paying per barrell right now" and the conversation went on from there... Your facts are correct. All of them. And yes, it's probably too late but we're gonna try anyway, aren't we? Ann. http://www.annshrader.myarbonne.com fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:30:14 AMRe: Re: No Gas on May 15 (TODAY) hmmm while i agree on the "use less" definately, may i ask about where you got your facts mentioned in the first part? the price of oil is dictated a lot by traders, the price goes up up the mercantile boards around the world, of course this is majorly affected by supply and demand, but also by fears, speculation, etc and so forth the worlds oil producers affect prices by how much they pump, and how much they charge for a base price, but that $127/bbl price out there now is not what they set, thats the mercantile boards and ppl buying up supplies that's also a worldwide price, what you pay on the open market... countries can set up agreements with certain producers, say, "we agree to pay $50/bbl for 5 yrs, even if the price goes below that world wide" funny thing is, Hugo Chavez offered this to the US several years ago, forgot the exact price, but he said "prices are going to go up, we'll lock you in at this price, no matter how high it goes" and of course we laughed at him....funny how no one remembers that... Tis a tad funny how we over here in the colonies have this vision of "the arabs" and the middle east...oooo. , them arabs are driving up our price of gas...actually. .we get only a portion of our oil from the midfdle east here. Europe of course is different, as is apan and other areas, but....the top places we import from are: Canada, and Mexico.... then Saudi Arabia then Venezuala, Nigeria, and i forget where after that...but, out of our top ten importers only two countries send us any large amounts of oil, the saudis and iraq...heck, we get a lot of imports from the UK..maybe we should bomb them..(lucky for our english pals that their north sea deposits are tanking, so, we'll hold off on the attack..for now..) but, yeah, we could change all this around with investments in alterno's alas, it may all be too little too late (sorry, i'ma big doomer on this note..i foresee wholesale worldwide collapse) anywho..i blame charlie chaplan...why? well, gotta blame someone.... Marcie Jones May 15, 2008 9:05 PM @gro ups.com Re: No Gas on May 15 (TODAY) the arabs sell oil at $16 a barrell to europe. they sell it to chile for $10 per barrell. they sell it to us for $130 per barrell. same oil, same barrell. why? because the U.S. will pay it, no matter how high the cost goes. why? because we are a nation dependent on oil. if we want the gas prices to come down, the only way is to be less dependent on oil. we need to generate all our energy from solar, wind, and water power. how would you like it if you never had to put gas in your car or pay any utilities every month? wouldn't that be nice? the problem is most people want fast cars and big fancy houses and are not willing to go green or live green or live with less stuff. so, until people change, nothing else will change.@gro ups.com, Blake Wilson <mbw wrote:>> frag's right. these inane "don't buy gas" > scaremails have been around for a couple years:> > http://www.snopes. com/politics/ gasoline/ nogas.asp> > yawn....> > >too bad it could never work, as the system doesn't work that way> >> >you want lower gas prices, use less....> >> >tis the only way> >> >> >angelicammo> >May 15, 2008 8:10 AM> >ammo , Heather Zacchi , yudystuff , L Wong , > >Kevin Williams , Andrea Wiggins , Caren Welch , > >w1tjl, @gro ups.com, Tu , > >Al Tremblay , tomstarr12 , > >taylormiranda12@ ..., "susan.moynihan" , > >SurveySpot , PAMELA STEVENS , Elsie Squier , > >smeegdoieva , setter_estates@ ..., Tina > >Sessa , Scott , Justin Salvio , rocco , > >Rjbsims , rebeccacooke@ ..., > >rbarnes747 , raysjerseygirlinmas s , Jenni Raabe > >, questions@.. ., Philip Pockoski , > >charlotte plummer , Phia , phatnuts75 , Lindsey > >Peirce , Lindsey Peirce , Paralegal , bette > >papadinis , christine omalley , Susan OKonis , > >Andrea Oberle , TIMOTHY NORMAN , n1st , > >myboyand3girls , Simone Minichino , > >mindywest@. .., Rich and Michele , > >MichaelCrist@ ..., > >meteagle@.. ., Aimee Menapace , Melissa , > >Angela Melendez , Elena McFarland , > >marykohrer@ ..., marybatchelder , Donna Marie > >, Ken Marceau , Sue's Mail , Madman169@.. ., > >Jacqui Maddy , luvbeinmom04 , Maryann Los , > >Emily Ljubicic , lisacvd , > >lisa, Landa Leavy , > >KIM LAMESA , Rebekah Ladona , kwolffmorales , > >krettman@.. ., kitchykat1 , > >kbrobston@. .., kathrynmroy , kathbeach4 , > >Julianne , juggle82001@ ..., jr9kitty , > >Desiree Joy , jonathan927 , Kelly Johnson , > >Denise Johnson , "Christopher R. Johnson" , > >jj768_01@.. ., Jessica , jennw0507 , Jein , > >Caya Jappinen , jannvb , jamjwu142 , JUDITH > >JADOVICH , iceeeen, > >Hufnagelocsi@ ..., Nancy Hendryx , Greta , > >carla guild , GreenEyedAngel , giveitanewlife , > >Lisa Gillis , geniesmommy@ ..., Rolando M > >Garcia , gail , Gail , "gabrielle.johnson2 8" , > >futuremrswheelie , > >FarmingtonValleyFre ecycleCafe, > >frankmisericordia , Maryjo Franklin , for2knit , > >DIANA FISKE , Angie Fish , Joe Ferrara , > >Jennifer Feigenbaum , emmabatchelor , > >EGoff1976@. .., eens , mercedes echevarria , > >"e.thomas77" , ROBERT DWYER , Joan Dunn , tracy > >dubois , coleen donaldson , Joyce Dolat , > >diane.f.menard@ ..., DIANE OATES , > >dette51 , debr916 , Debbie , Debbie , dbb , > >David , cutimami , > >CT4free4sale4rent4t rade@ .com, > >creativehearts1 , corinnefreaney , conniegalli , > >congsignment , colechia , coeja73 , > >chickpower06 , cheesecake1171 , cboice, > >cathleen.long@ ..., BMCPEDIRN@.. ., > >betheriver , "Bernier, Robert " , > >basillake@. .., baileybiz@.. ., > >april cassidy , Annmarie , angelsee1 , > >aidiansmom@gro ups.com, adin , acheymomma , > >aaron buchanan , > >3dogs2kids1cat@ ...> > Fw: [aidiansmom] No Gas on May 15 (TODAY)> >> >> >-> ><mrbm@ ...>grn4life1968> ><aidiansmom@gro ups.com>aidiansmom@gro ups.com> >Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:41 AM> >[aidiansmom] No Gas on May 15 (TODAY)> >> >Just passing on the message. Obviously, it's your choice. Just in> >case you would want to know......> >> >NO GAS...On May 15th 2008 - Don't pump gas on May 15th> >> >In April 1997, there was a "gas out" conducted nationwide in protest> >of gas> >prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight.> >> >On May 15th 2008, all internet users are to not go to a gas station in> >protest of high gas prices. Gas is now over $3.50 a gallon in most> >places.> >> >There are 73,000,000+ American members currently on the internet> >network,> >and the average car takes about $30 to $50 to fill up.> >> >If all users did not go to the pump on the 15th, it would take> >$2,292,000, 000.00 (that's almost $3 BILLION) out of the oil company's> >pockets for just one day, so please do not go to the gas station on> >May> >15th and let's try to put a dent in the Middle Eastern oil industry> >for at> >least one day.> >> >If you agree (which I can¢t see why you wouldn't) resend this to your> >entire contact list. With it saying, ''Don't pump gas on May 15th"!> >> >> >> >What gets us into trouble is not what we don't > >know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't > >so.> >- Mark Twain> >> >> What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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