Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab > Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 how so? "technically"? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 would you like to take this offline? i'm not sure if anyone else is really interested in this rather long discussion. as for wheat beer, yes have another bottle. had a few yesterday out in SF...very refreshing when the sun come out! tho, Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 11:50 AM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here how so? "technically"? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Because it didn't happen that way. You're thinking of the MODERN view of the gods, which is pretty general and superficial. In reality they were way more complicated than that. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: how so? " technically " ? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of " viable " members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com> @gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of " viable " members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!) The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient! I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the " clan " religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE... BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of " viable " members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of " viable " members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of " viable " members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of " viable " members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of " viable " members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of " viable " members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or " intelligently eclectic " . I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of " viable " members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.com AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothic http://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com ~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystic http://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 thats cause I`m as deep as a puddle!, and superficial as a budwieser..........so elucidate? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156 Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 8:56:18 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Because it didn't happen that way. You're thinking of the MODERN view of the gods, which is pretty general and superficial. In reality they were way more complicated than that. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: how so? "technically"? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comMonday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008  Carry on - I'm reading :-) Jo - fraggle Monday, June 30, 2008 8:53 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here would you like to take this offline? i'm not sure if anyone else is really interested in this rather long discussion. as for wheat beer, yes have another bottle. had a few yesterday out in SF...very refreshing when the sun come out! tho, Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 11:50 AM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here how so? "technically"? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 There you go Oracle, continue with my education. Oh, and I couldnt wait for you to agree , so I had another bottle anyway........... Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 10:44:19 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here  Carry on - I'm reading :-) Jo - fraggle @gro ups.com Monday, June 30, 2008 8:53 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here would you like to take this offline? i'm not sure if anyone else is really interested in this rather long discussion. as for wheat beer, yes have another bottle. had a few yesterday out in SF...very refreshing when the sun come out! tho, Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 11:50 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here how so? "technically" ? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comMonday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 oh dear bacchus... ok..so peter, are you talking "belief", faith, all religion, or organized religion? give me a focal point to start at. Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 1:46 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here There you go Oracle, continue with my education. Oh, and I couldnt wait for you to agree , so I had another bottle anyway........... Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 10:44:19 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here  Carry on - I'm reading :-) Jo - fraggle @gro ups.com Monday, June 30, 2008 8:53 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here would you like to take this offline? i'm not sure if anyone else is really interested in this rather long discussion. as for wheat beer, yes have another bottle. had a few yesterday out in SF...very refreshing when the sun come out! tho, Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 11:50 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here how so? "technically" ? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comMonday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older? .......and what are the elder gods? didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 10:51:19 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here oh dear bacchus... ok..so peter, are you talking "belief", faith, all religion, or organized religion? give me a focal point to start at. Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 1:46 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here There you go Oracle, continue with my education. Oh, and I couldnt wait for you to agree , so I had another bottle anyway...... ..... Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMonday, 30 June, 2008 10:44:19 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here  Carry on - I'm reading :-) Jo - fraggle @gro ups.com Monday, June 30, 2008 8:53 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here would you like to take this offline? i'm not sure if anyone else is really interested in this rather long discussion. as for wheat beer, yes have another bottle. had a few yesterday out in SF...very refreshing when the sun come out! tho, Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 11:50 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here how so? "technically" ? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comMonday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008  Do you think you're overdoing the drink a bit Peter? Jo - Peter VV Monday, June 30, 2008 10:46 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here There you go Oracle, continue with my education. Oh, and I couldnt wait for you to agree , so I had another bottle anyway........... Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 10:44:19 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here  Carry on - I'm reading :-) Jo - fraggle @gro ups.com Monday, June 30, 2008 8:53 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here would you like to take this offline? i'm not sure if anyone else is really interested in this rather long discussion. as for wheat beer, yes have another bottle. had a few yesterday out in SF...very refreshing when the sun come out! tho, Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 11:50 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here how so? "technically" ? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comMonday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 i'm going back to yer original question what do you mean by elder gods? in general that term is used to encompass the Cthulhu mythos ok, and as for the second, it STILL isn't that easy it's not like one day a greek sat down and went "hmmm, i'll think i'll start a religion on apollo" ok, this is going to take a bit...i'll address it in another e-mail, and make sure the subject shows it cheers fraggle Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 1:57 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older? .......and what are the elder gods? didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 10:51:19 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here oh dear bacchus... ok..so peter, are you talking "belief", faith, all religion, or organized religion? give me a focal point to start at. Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 1:46 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here There you go Oracle, continue with my education. Oh, and I couldnt wait for you to agree , so I had another bottle anyway...... ..... Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMonday, 30 June, 2008 10:44:19 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here  Carry on - I'm reading :-) Jo - fraggle @gro ups.com Monday, June 30, 2008 8:53 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here would you like to take this offline? i'm not sure if anyone else is really interested in this rather long discussion. as for wheat beer, yes have another bottle. had a few yesterday out in SF...very refreshing when the sun come out! tho, Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 11:50 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here how so? "technically" ? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comMonday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Hi Peter It's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has this actually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had the same gods with different names. There have been several cultures that have had gods with similar job descriptions as those in other cultures, but they're not the same gods. BB Peter On 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same > time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must > have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older? > ......and what are the elder gods? > didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky > god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Hi Peter,Please allow me to cut in.Different cultures, same God, different name, well, it's happening right now:God, Jehovah, Allah,... even the Hindus, known to be politeistic, actually have only one God. All other "gods" are demi-gods, maybe the equivalent to the saints in christian religions... If I got that right, of course :PCheers,Beatriz--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote:Peter Kebbell <metalscarabRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 6:00 AM Hi Peter It's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has this actually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had the same gods with different names. There have been several cultures that have had gods with similar job descriptions as those in other cultures, but they're not the same gods. BB Peter On 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: > whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same > time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must > have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older? > ......and what are the elder gods? > didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky > god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 I think you mean " polytheistic " , and that viewpoint isn't shared by all. Many, many different attitudes even in those cultures towards their gods, and most of them do NOT believe that they are the equivalent of demi-gods or saints. On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:30 AM, Beatriz <searchingalight wrote: Hi Peter,Please allow me to cut in.Different cultures, same God, different name, well, it's happening right now:God, Jehovah, Allah,... even the Hindus, known to be politeistic, actually have only one God. All other " gods " are demi-gods, maybe the equivalent to the saints in christian religions... If I got that right, of course Cheers,Beatriz --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: Peter Kebbell <metalscarab Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 6:00 AM Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures that have had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: > whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older? > ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? -- Email: bluerose156AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156 http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com~Boston_GothicBoston_Mystic Boston-Pagans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Good answer, I wonder what they put on their CV`s? Gods only exist as long as there are believers, so if that is the case do they grow stronger the more believers they have? P.S. WE ARE ALL GODS. Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 11:00:08 AMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures thathave had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:> whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older?> ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 please be careful where you tread yes, there is a belief that gods only exist as long as they have followers/believers, and some believe that the more followers they have, the more "real" or powerful they become. many others don;t share this belief just be aware that there is a wide variety of thought, and be careful not to tread on toes please Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 10:57 AM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Good answer, I wonder what they put on their CV`s? Gods only exist as long as there are believers, so if that is the case do they grow stronger the more believers they have? P.S. WE ARE ALL GODS. Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab > Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 11:00:08 AMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures thathave had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:> whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older?> ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Is that possible? Fraggle, tell her............... Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 12:06:28 AMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here  Do you think you're overdoing the drink a bit Peter? Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Monday, June 30, 2008 10:46 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here There you go Oracle, continue with my education. Oh, and I couldnt wait for you to agree , so I had another bottle anyway...... ..... Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMonday, 30 June, 2008 10:44:19 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here  Carry on - I'm reading :-) Jo - fraggle @gro ups.com Monday, June 30, 2008 8:53 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here would you like to take this offline? i'm not sure if anyone else is really interested in this rather long discussion. as for wheat beer, yes have another bottle. had a few yesterday out in SF...very refreshing when the sun come out! tho, Peter VV Jun 30, 2008 11:50 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here how so? "technically" ? care to expand on that? how could two different civilisations wake up one morning , both on the same day with synchronised sun dials, and think lets have a god of the sea, one for love, one for wine, etc, etc, and another thing, shall I have another bottle of wheat beer or not? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comMonday, 30 June, 2008 8:34:50 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here the romans were very good at absorbing other cultures, and taking what they wanted/needed. technically, neither came first. Peter VV Jun 28, 2008 1:40 PM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I thought the greek gods were the same as the roman gods, but with different names?, which came first? or did they arrive at the same time? did one copy off the other? What are classed as the old gods? Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 28 June, 2008 10:33:22 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Oh crumbs.... well, I can try! Although it does get quite complicated with the various theories that are around (and I'm a few years out of date, so it's possible that there are different theories nowadays!)The oldest known religions are those of ancient Sumer and Egypt, although both were already very complex and well developed by the time we know anything about them (around 3,000 BCE), so were probably already ancient at that point. It's pretty likely that religious belief has been around since humanity (or its predecessors) became sentient!I don't know exactly how old the Roman gods are - the Roman republic itself appeared around 750 BCE, and as far as I know, the religion that developed in that has its roots in the "clan" religions that were encompassed in the republic. Same with Greek gods. Judaism in anything approaching its modern form developed around the time of the Babylonian exile (c.500 BCE), but has roots going back to the tribal peoples of modern day Israel / Palestine, along with roots in Sumerian and Egyptian religions. Christianity in its modern form developed over the first 3 or 4 centuries CE...BBPeter 2008/6/28 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>: Well, you certainly did big him up there! I shall wait and see if the expert replies. Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Friday, 27 June, 2008 11:19:33 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Peter's your man for that answer - he has discussed with world experts, and might even be one himself. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Friday, June 27, 2008 8:33 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Is it possible to put an age on a faith ( you said old gods ), I wonder what the oldest faith would be? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 11:15:44 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here  Yes, people do believe in all the old gods. Jo - Peter VV @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Realy? worship as in believe they exist sort of thing? wow, does anyone believe on Roman gods still? are they two sides of the same coin, dont wish to offend, I realy am ignorant, sorry. Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 10:12:20 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here I worship Greek gods. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Boy am I ignorant, I dont understand any of this? Peter vv Blue Rose <bluerose156@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com Thursday, 26 June, 2008 9:28:08 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Not all, but working on it! The current one is my favorite. He is quite squee. I'm a Greek polytheist. I'd describe myself more as either syncretic or "intelligently eclectic". I don't really mix 'n' match, just fill holes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: Oooooh! I feel some chat coming on :-) What path are you (I'm eclectic and Druid (but not wholly)) and have you seen all the old Doctors? or did you come in on the newer ones? We have just two episodes left this year :-( but they look as though they should be good. BBJo - Blue Rose @gro ups.com Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:16 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of "viable" members here Yay!<-- also a Pagan and Doctor Who fan. :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:54 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> wrote: I personally like heavy metal, Doctor Who, Paganism and theparanormal, photography, gardening, gentle walks etc.What do you like? -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans Not happy with your email address? 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Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 If toes werent meant to be trodden on, why are they right on the end of feet waiting to be trod on? its not like they are behind your knee or something......... Look if I upset any of you new guys, I will personally give you a refund. You old buggers like me know I`m just a little stirrer with a black, black sense of humour that matches my heart. I just dont get religion, no religion now Can I get a V? Can I get an E? Can I get a G? Praise the lord and pass the ammo............ Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 8:05:32 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here please be careful where you tread yes, there is a belief that gods only exist as long as they have followers/believers , and some believe that the more followers they have, the more "real" or powerful they become. many others don;t share this belief just be aware that there is a wide variety of thought, and be careful not to tread on toes please Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 10:57 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Good answer, I wonder what they put on their CV`s? Gods only exist as long as there are believers, so if that is the case do they grow stronger the more believers they have? P.S. WE ARE ALL GODS. Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 1 July, 2008 11:00:08 AMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures thathave had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:> whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older?> ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 seriously peter, many of us know your "ways", but in this, lay off. seriously. Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 11:21 AM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here If toes werent meant to be trodden on, why are they right on the end of feet waiting to be trod on? its not like they are behind your knee or something......... Look if I upset any of you new guys, I will personally give you a refund. You old buggers like me know I`m just a little stirrer with a black, black sense of humour that matches my heart. I just dont get religion, no religion now Can I get a V? Can I get an E? Can I get a G? Praise the lord and pass the ammo............ Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 8:05:32 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here please be careful where you tread yes, there is a belief that gods only exist as long as they have followers/believers , and some believe that the more followers they have, the more "real" or powerful they become. many others don;t share this belief just be aware that there is a wide variety of thought, and be careful not to tread on toes please Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 10:57 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Good answer, I wonder what they put on their CV`s? Gods only exist as long as there are believers, so if that is the case do they grow stronger the more believers they have? P.S. WE ARE ALL GODS. Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 1 July, 2008 11:00:08 AMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures thathave had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:> whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older?> ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 seriously peter, many of us know your "ways", but in this, lay off. seriously. Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 11:21 AM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here If toes werent meant to be trodden on, why are they right on the end of feet waiting to be trod on? its not like they are behind your knee or something......... Look if I upset any of you new guys, I will personally give you a refund. You old buggers like me know I`m just a little stirrer with a black, black sense of humour that matches my heart. I just dont get religion, no religion now Can I get a V? Can I get an E? Can I get a G? Praise the lord and pass the ammo............ Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 8:05:32 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here please be careful where you tread yes, there is a belief that gods only exist as long as they have followers/believers , and some believe that the more followers they have, the more "real" or powerful they become. many others don;t share this belief just be aware that there is a wide variety of thought, and be careful not to tread on toes please Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 10:57 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Good answer, I wonder what they put on their CV`s? Gods only exist as long as there are believers, so if that is the case do they grow stronger the more believers they have? P.S. WE ARE ALL GODS. Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 1 July, 2008 11:00:08 AMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures thathave had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:> whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older?> ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 I consider myself censored. Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 8:33:49 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here seriously peter, many of us know your "ways", but in this, lay off. seriously. Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 11:21 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here If toes werent meant to be trodden on, why are they right on the end of feet waiting to be trod on? its not like they are behind your knee or something... ...... Look if I upset any of you new guys, I will personally give you a refund. You old buggers like me know I`m just a little stirrer with a black, black sense of humour that matches my heart. I just dont get religion, no religion now Can I get a V? Can I get an E? Can I get a G? Praise the lord and pass the ammo........ .... Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comTuesday, 1 July, 2008 8:05:32 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here please be careful where you tread yes, there is a belief that gods only exist as long as they have followers/believers , and some believe that the more followers they have, the more "real" or powerful they become. many others don;t share this belief just be aware that there is a wide variety of thought, and be careful not to tread on toes please Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 10:57 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Good answer, I wonder what they put on their CV`s? Gods only exist as long as there are believers, so if that is the case do they grow stronger the more believers they have? P.S. WE ARE ALL GODS. Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 1 July, 2008 11:00:08 AMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures thathave had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:> whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older?> ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 we all gotta do what we all gotta do *adjusts heavy heavy moderator cap* seriously, we don't let ppl on here who just want to go "mmmm..meat meat meat! i just shot me a bunny and i gutted it and i loved every minute of it" so, in the same vein, not gonna let folks tromp all over someone elses belief when it comes to religion everyone is different you are free to believe what you want, just don;t go "your dumb, your god is dumb" etc and so forth sorry, not gonna be allowed. not kosher et al coomprende'? thank you for your time and support this has been a test of the emergency broadcast system Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 11:43 AM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here I consider myself censored. Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 8:33:49 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here seriously peter, many of us know your "ways", but in this, lay off. seriously. Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 11:21 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here If toes werent meant to be trodden on, why are they right on the end of feet waiting to be trod on? its not like they are behind your knee or something... ...... Look if I upset any of you new guys, I will personally give you a refund. You old buggers like me know I`m just a little stirrer with a black, black sense of humour that matches my heart. I just dont get religion, no religion now Can I get a V? Can I get an E? Can I get a G? Praise the lord and pass the ammo........ .... Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comTuesday, 1 July, 2008 8:05:32 PMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here please be careful where you tread yes, there is a belief that gods only exist as long as they have followers/believers , and some believe that the more followers they have, the more "real" or powerful they become. many others don;t share this belief just be aware that there is a wide variety of thought, and be careful not to tread on toes please Peter VV Jul 1, 2008 10:57 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Good answer, I wonder what they put on their CV`s? Gods only exist as long as there are believers, so if that is the case do they grow stronger the more believers they have? P.S. WE ARE ALL GODS. Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 1 July, 2008 11:00:08 AMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures thathave had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:> whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older?> ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008  Of course - the more people think on one thing, the stronger it gets. Jo - Peter VV Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:57 PM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Good answer, I wonder what they put on their CV`s? Gods only exist as long as there are believers, so if that is the case do they grow stronger the more believers they have? P.S. WE ARE ALL GODS. Peter vv Peter Kebbell <metalscarab > Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 11:00:08 AMRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures thathave had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:> whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older?> ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Hi Beatriz I think that depends very much on who you talk to. Muslims may believe that Allah is the same as the Christian god, but Christians certainly don't. Same with Christians and Jews. Hindus are a mix, although mostly still believe in a whole pantheon of deities... BB Peter - Beatriz Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:30 AM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Hi Peter,Please allow me to cut in.Different cultures, same God, different name, well, it's happening right now:God, Jehovah, Allah,... even the Hindus, known to be politeistic, actually have only one God. All other "gods" are demi-gods, maybe the equivalent to the saints in christian religions... If I got that right, of course :PCheers,Beatriz--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: Peter Kebbell <metalscarabRe: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 6:00 AM Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures thathave had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:> whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older?> ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Hi Peter, That really depends on who you talk to. I remember going to a wonderful theological lecture at Uni where one of our professors posited a model in which the major monotheistic and polytheistic religions were all images of the same basic tenets of faith, but some were closer to a sharp focus than others. (This was a Christian lecturer, so the focus given was Christianity in focus, then Judaism the next closest, then Islam, and I forget what order the other ones were.) I can't for the life of me find an online reference to this model, but it's a nice idea. Gaya On 7/2/08, Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Beatriz I think that depends very much on who you talk to. Muslims may believe that Allah is the same as the Christian god, but Christians certainly don't. Same with Christians and Jews. Hindus are a mix, although mostly still believe in a whole pantheon of deities... BB Peter - Beatriz Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:30 AM Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Hi Peter,Please allow me to cut in.Different cultures, same God, different name, well, it's happening right now:God, Jehovah, Allah,... even the Hindus, known to be politeistic, actually have only one God. All other " gods " are demi-gods, maybe the equivalent to the saints in christian religions... If I got that right, of course Cheers,Beatriz--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: Peter Kebbell <metalscarab Re: Re: Question about amt. of roman gods here Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 6:00 AM Hi PeterIt's a great question, with just one problem... at what point has thisactually happened? I'm not aware of any two cultures who have had thesame gods with different names. There have been several cultures that have had gods with similar job descriptions as those in othercultures, but they're not the same gods.BBPeterOn 30/06/2008, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: > whoa, rewind, the question was how could two religions start at the same> time (greek & roman) and have the same gods with different names.One must> have preceded the other surely?, so which is the older? > ......and what are the elder gods?> didnt nomadic tribes have a more simplified belief system ( worship the sky> god, sort of thing) so why have so many as the greeks and romans did? -- Ms Madeline J Anderson t: 01242 861269m: 07881 623654e: maddy.anderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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