Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Hi everybody! I just wanted to know how did you make your vegan coming-out (!) to your family and friends. For me, that was such a hard thing to do! My mother was like : " Oh my God, do you wanna kill yourself? Are you anorexic? This is dangererous!!! " , so it wasn't that easy to do. I didn't want her to cook cheese lasagna when I come for a visit, so I had to tell her... I've try to explain why I'm vegan (I don't want animals to be my slaves), but she really thinks I'm crazy. Do you have tips or suggestions to give to me? And what do you do when you're invited to a friend's dinner? Do you say that you're vegan? Do you prepare your food and bring it? OK! I think it's enough questions already Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Greeatings Edith, I've been fortunate enough to have understanding parents. They have been supportive from my choice of eating to my spiritual path. You might try to comfort your mom by telling her you understand nutrition and you know what your body needs. If she asks you where do you get your protein ask her which amino acid is she concerned about..lol...ok I got this out of Veganomicon but I thought that part was funny. Proteins are made up of amino acids, some our body makes on it's own. Essential amino acids are the ones our body can not synthesize without help from what we eat. So a complete protein means all ten essential amino acids are present. Like combining rice and beans is a complete protein or the grain Quinoa is complete protein on it's own. You don't have to food combine either just eat a wide variety of healthy foods throughout the day. I recommend the book Becoming Vegan by Brenda Davis and Vesanto Melina. It has helped me understand nutrition. Teaching by example is a good way for others to learn without a preachy edge that can turn people off and make them feel defensive. I believe you should tell your host your food choices then offer to bring a dish or two and make those dishes really shine. Bring rich divine dishes and your company won't believe that eating a vegan meal could taste so good..lol. Most people unfortunatly don't get it yet. They don't understand where their " food " comes from and what their " food " goes through to get on their plate. If you go about your presentation of what you eat rather then what you don't eat, how wonderful you feel, people might listen with an open mind rather than feel defensive. A lot of times when people start talking about animal rights and meat eating, the harm on the evironment it challenges other's thoughts and feelings and what they know..now that can be a good thing but a lot of people react by getting defensive, therefore a closed mind. If you accent the postive first, have them try a few tasty dishes you might have them in the right frame of mind to be open enough to actually learn where their " food " comes from. Blessings, Sky , " bi_vegan_freak " <bi_vegan_freak wrote: > > Hi everybody! > > I just wanted to know how did you make your vegan coming-out (!) to > your family and friends. > > For me, that was such a hard thing to do! My mother was like : " Oh > my God, do you wanna kill yourself? Are you anorexic? This is > dangererous!!! " , so it wasn't that easy to do. I didn't want her to > cook cheese lasagna when I come for a visit, so I had to tell her... > I've try to explain why I'm vegan (I don't want animals to be my > slaves), but she really thinks I'm crazy. Do you have tips or > suggestions to give to me? > > And what do you do when you're invited to a friend's dinner? Do you > say that you're vegan? Do you prepare your food and bring it? > > OK! I think it's enough questions already > > Edith > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 hey there Edith i don't think i ever had much of a coming out i told my parents, but they were (and are) thousands of miles away..so when i told my dad over the phone, it was "oh...umm..ok" eh, i was the weird son anyways..i was the colored mohawk kid who was basically squating in california, and my dad didn't know what to make of me anyways hahahaha as for friends, no big del.lotsa vegans and vegetarians around here, plus, my friends for the most part are open minded foks nowadays, friends try and pick a place that has vegan food if we go somewhere...if they can't for some reason, i don't go, simple as that..i'll hang out with em another time...notl ike i don't see these folks all the time anyways... bi_vegan_freak Jul 4, 2008 8:16 PM Vegan coming-out Hi everybody!I just wanted to know how did you make your vegan coming-out (!) to your family and friends.For me, that was such a hard thing to do! My mother was like : " Oh my God, do you wanna kill yourself? Are you anorexic? This is dangererous!!!", so it wasn't that easy to do. I didn't want her to cook cheese lasagna when I come for a visit, so I had to tell her... I've try to explain why I'm vegan (I don't want animals to be my slaves), but she really thinks I'm crazy. Do you have tips or suggestions to give to me?And what do you do when you're invited to a friend's dinner? Do you say that you're vegan? Do you prepare your food and bring it? OK! I think it's enough questions already :)Edith With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Hello, My husband and I told each of our family members over time when we knew we'd be eating with them. With friends, old and new, it tends to come up when we're planning on meals together. People handle it in different ways. I try to be pretty quiet about it in vet school, because people can be so judgy about dietary choices, but eventually everyone in my class knew anyway. People do give me a hard time about it occasionally, but, over time, it seems that most people come around to respecting my dietary choices and not being too put out. Even my father, a hunter, has come around to respecting my decision and my feelings about this issue. I, again, HIGHLY recommend the book " Vegan Freak. " They have a whole chapter devoted to talking to other people, maybe a couple chapters. If nothing else, I like reading about what others have gone through when sharing the vegan news or just in daily interactions with others. Have a lovely day. ~Faith , " bi_vegan_freak " <bi_vegan_freak wrote: > > Hi everybody! > > I just wanted to know how did you make your vegan coming-out (!) to > your family and friends. > > For me, that was such a hard thing to do! My mother was like : " Oh > my God, do you wanna kill yourself? Are you anorexic? This is > dangererous!!! " , so it wasn't that easy to do. I didn't want her to > cook cheese lasagna when I come for a visit, so I had to tell her... > I've try to explain why I'm vegan (I don't want animals to be my > slaves), but she really thinks I'm crazy. Do you have tips or > suggestions to give to me? > > And what do you do when you're invited to a friend's dinner? Do you > say that you're vegan? Do you prepare your food and bring it? > > OK! I think it's enough questions already > > Edith > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Hi Faith :)Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say?Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whether fish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration, desperation and irritation :SAt times it gets really hard to keep my cools :(Thanks,Beatriz--- On Sat, 7/5/08, Faith <tigerpainter wrote:Faith <tigerpainter Re: Vegan coming-out Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 3:44 PM Hello, My husband and I told each of our family members over time when we knew we'd be eating with them. With friends, old and new, it tends to come up when we're planning on meals together. People handle it in different ways. I try to be pretty quiet about it in vet school, because people can be so judgy about dietary choices, but eventually everyone in my class knew anyway. People do give me a hard time about it occasionally, but, over time, it seems that most people come around to respecting my dietary choices and not being too put out. Even my father, a hunter, has come around to respecting my decision and my feelings about this issue. I, again, HIGHLY recommend the book "Vegan Freak." They have a whole chapter devoted to talking to other people, maybe a couple chapters. If nothing else, I like reading about what others have gone through when sharing the vegan news or just in daily interactions with others. Have a lovely day. ~Faith @gro ups.com, "bi_vegan_freak" <bi_vegan_freak@ ...> wrote: > > Hi everybody! > > I just wanted to know how did you make your vegan coming-out (!) to > your family and friends. > > For me, that was such a hard thing to do! My mother was like : " Oh > my God, do you wanna kill yourself? Are you anorexic? This is > dangererous! !!", so it wasn't that easy to do. I didn't want her to > cook cheese lasagna when I come for a visit, so I had to tell her... > I've try to explain why I'm vegan (I don't want animals to be my > slaves), but she really thinks I'm crazy. Do you have tips or > suggestions to give to me? > > And what do you do when you're invited to a friend's dinner? Do you > say that you're vegan? Do you prepare your food and bring it? > > OK! I think it's enough questions already > > Edith > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Faith, I haven't had any problem yet being Vegan. My answer is always "yes" and it works. Do you want to go have pizza? Yes. Do you want to come over for barbequed hamburgers? Yes. Want to go to the Thai restaurant? Yes. Just yesterday I went for a barbeque. I brought along with me some yams, white potatoes, zuchini, and other veggies with 100% whole wheat buns (and white ones for other people). I sliced them all up, put them on foil on the barbeque with EVOO & Mrs. Dash and everyone was jealous. Of course I made enough for everyone. My veggie burger was the best! My veggie pizzas work fine and even the Thai restaurant works for me. I have just learned to bring my own stuff with enough to share. The only problem I have had is everyone wants my food! I had to separate my veggies and put butter on theirs so I couldn't eat any left overs. I have become the local star and only got one "HMPHHHH!" from one husband, lol. But that same husband gobbles up my strawberry/banana desert! Shelley H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 It's hard isn't it Beatriz? What I wrote to Edith was that most people don't get it. They don't understand where their " food " comes from or what their " food " went through to end up on their plate. We live on automatic most of the time..almost in a zombie state..lol. Once you have made that connection however, it's difficult to understand why others have not and why they resist when you try to explain. It's like breaking out of that zombie trance..an enlighentment you want to share and you want others to understand. It's hard to go against the mainstream of society. I feel like an endangered salmon just trying to make it back home only to find my home is not mine anymore, it's a dam and I can't reach it. One problem is connection. People are not connected to their food, to Mother Earth, to others or even to themselves. I think in many ways people also fear what they do not know or understand. And with fear brings a whole party of emotions. I've felt that just within my spiritual path. Somehow being Pagan has threatened some people's very own existence..lol. They have no clue what my spiritual path really is. Without connection and with fear people are very resistant to anything other than what they've been told. I do think in many ways these things are changing. Paganism is a little better understood these days. At least in some places. Global warming is real. And since the 90's I've seen vegetarianism and veganism and macrobiotics become better understood (in mainstream society) ways of eating for people, the planet, and animals. There is still much work to be done. Much suffering to end for both people and animals and yes Mother Earth. So in this long post the only thing I can really tell you is first breathe, try to relax(if you practice yoga and meditation it can really help in stressful situations) then find a place within your heart to extend your compassion from animals to that person you are talking to. This may be difficult but you are reaching out to another human being(Connection) Envision them in positive light. Once you've made this connection with them it may be easier to tell them your way of life without the emotions of anger or frustration. They will hopefully pick up on those positive feelings and postive body language and then be more open to what you are saying (without fear) I concentrate on the things I do eat, not what I don't eat. That creamy chocolate pie I had the other day or the savory soup I had for lunch. I tell them the possibilities are endless. I believe if presented in a very postive manner people are less likely to feel uncomfortable or feel defensive and therefore be more open and maybe even find the path of connection. Hope this helps in some way. Blessings, Sky , Beatriz <searchingalight wrote: > > Hi Faith > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say? > Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whether fish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration, desperation and irritation :S > At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > Thanks, > Beatriz > > > --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Faith <tigerpainter wrote: > Faith <tigerpainter > Re: Vegan coming-out > > Saturday, July 5, 2008, 3:44 PM > > > > > Hello, > > > > My husband and I told each of our family members over time when we > > knew we'd be eating with them. With friends, old and new, it tends to > > come up when we're planning on meals together. People handle it in > > different ways. I try to be pretty quiet about it in vet school, > > because people can be so judgy about dietary choices, but eventually > > everyone in my class knew anyway. People do give me a hard time about > > it occasionally, but, over time, it seems that most people come around > > to respecting my dietary choices and not being too put out. Even my > > father, a hunter, has come around to respecting my decision and my > > feelings about this issue. > > > > I, again, HIGHLY recommend the book " Vegan Freak. " They have a whole > > chapter devoted to talking to other people, maybe a couple chapters. > > If nothing else, I like reading about what others have gone through > > when sharing the vegan news or just in daily interactions with others. > > > > Have a lovely day. > > ~Faith > > > > @gro ups.com, " bi_vegan_freak " > > <bi_vegan_freak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi everybody! > > > > > > I just wanted to know how did you make your vegan coming-out (!) to > > > your family and friends. > > > > > > For me, that was such a hard thing to do! My mother was like : " Oh > > > my God, do you wanna kill yourself? Are you anorexic? This is > > > dangererous! !! " , so it wasn't that easy to do. I didn't want her to > > > cook cheese lasagna when I come for a visit, so I had to tell her... > > > I've try to explain why I'm vegan (I don't want animals to be my > > > slaves), but she really thinks I'm crazy. Do you have tips or > > > suggestions to give to me? > > > > > > And what do you do when you're invited to a friend's dinner? Do you > > > say that you're vegan? Do you prepare your food and bring it? > > > > > > OK! I think it's enough questions already > > > > > > Edith > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Hello, Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put it beautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassion your message land better. A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting with others: * I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full of information that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in my program ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight and kept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussion that they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for as long at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets too heated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later. * I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods are over meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowed in milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really go over well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while we are eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue the discussion another time. * I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off the top of my head that I can recommend to others when the information they are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exact answers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazing books, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up to date information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get their email address and send them links. * When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, and ignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites me to a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely, decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. My classmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs without screaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like the freak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian over the past year! * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go home and vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, for better or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people in our lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in my beliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to say than if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about how deprived I feel. I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, Vegan Freak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husband and I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to them about veganism. Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on these forums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll share the recipe if I'm allowed to. Have a wonderful night, ~Faith , Beatriz <searchingalight wrote: > > Hi Faith > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say? > Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whether fish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration, desperation and irritation :S > At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > Thanks, > Beatriz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Wow! That was a beautiful answer Thanks a lot! Edith Faith <tigerpainter Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 8:40:07 PM Re: Vegan coming-out Hello,Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put itbeautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassionyour message land better. A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting withothers:* I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full ofinformation that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in myprogram ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight andkept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussionthat they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for aslong at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets tooheated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later.* I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods areover meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowedin milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really goover well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while weare eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue thediscussion another time.* I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off thetop of my head that I can recommend to others when the informationthey are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exactanswers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazingbooks, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up todate information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get theiremail address and send them links.* When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, andignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites meto a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely,decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. Myclassmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs withoutscreaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like thefreak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian overthe past year! * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go homeand vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, forbetter or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people inour lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in mybeliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to saythan if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about howdeprived I feel.I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, VeganFreak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husbandand I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to themabout veganism.Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on theseforums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll sharethe recipe if I'm allowed to. Have a wonderful night,~Faith@gro ups.com, Beatriz <searchingalight@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Faith > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say?> Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whetherfish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration,desperation and irritation :S> At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > Thanks,> Beatriz Now with a new friend-happy design! Try the new Canada Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 My goodness - it's quiet on here today. Shame after the people who have been joining in recently. I hope you haven't all gone away. Jo - Faith Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:40 AM Re: Vegan coming-out Hello,Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put itbeautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassionyour message land better. A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting withothers:* I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full ofinformation that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in myprogram ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight andkept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussionthat they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for aslong at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets tooheated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later.* I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods areover meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowedin milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really goover well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while weare eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue thediscussion another time.* I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off thetop of my head that I can recommend to others when the informationthey are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exactanswers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazingbooks, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up todate information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get theiremail address and send them links.* When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, andignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites meto a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely,decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. Myclassmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs withoutscreaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like thefreak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian overthe past year! * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go homeand vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, forbetter or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people inour lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in mybeliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to saythan if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about howdeprived I feel.I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, VeganFreak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husbandand I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to themabout veganism.Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on theseforums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll sharethe recipe if I'm allowed to. Have a wonderful night,~Faith , Beatriz <searchingalight wrote:>> Hi Faith > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say?> Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whetherfish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration,desperation and irritation :S> At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > Thanks,> Beatriz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 It's one or the rare sunny days of this summer in Montreal! I don't want to miss it in front of my computer (what I do actually... doh!). I'll be back Jo, don't worrie Edith jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 1:31:26 PMRe: Re: Vegan coming-out My goodness - it's quiet on here today. Shame after the people who have been joining in recently. I hope you haven't all gone away. Jo - Faith @gro ups.com Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:40 AM Re: Vegan coming-out Hello,Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put itbeautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassionyour message land better. A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting withothers:* I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full ofinformation that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in myprogram ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight andkept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussionthat they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for aslong at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets tooheated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later.* I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods areover meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowedin milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really goover well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while weare eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue thediscussion another time.* I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off thetop of my head that I can recommend to others when the informationthey are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exactanswers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazingbooks, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up todate information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get theiremail address and send them links.* When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, andignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites meto a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely,decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. Myclassmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs withoutscreaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like thefreak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian overthe past year! * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go homeand vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, forbetter or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people inour lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in mybeliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to saythan if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about howdeprived I feel.I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, VeganFreak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husbandand I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to themabout veganism.Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on theseforums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll sharethe recipe if I'm allowed to. Have a wonderful night,~Faith@gro ups.com, Beatriz <searchingalight@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Faith > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say?> Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whetherfish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration,desperation and irritation :S> At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > Thanks,> Beatriz Now with a new friend-happy design! Try the new Canada Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 You want me to stir everyone up a bit? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 6:31:26 PMRe: Re: Vegan coming-out My goodness - it's quiet on here today. Shame after the people who have been joining in recently. I hope you haven't all gone away. Jo - Faith @gro ups.com Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:40 AM Re: Vegan coming-out Hello,Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put itbeautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassionyour message land better. A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting withothers:* I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full ofinformation that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in myprogram ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight andkept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussionthat they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for aslong at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets tooheated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later.* I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods areover meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowedin milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really goover well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while weare eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue thediscussion another time.* I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off thetop of my head that I can recommend to others when the informationthey are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exactanswers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazingbooks, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up todate information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get theiremail address and send them links.* When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, andignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites meto a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely,decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. Myclassmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs withoutscreaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like thefreak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian overthe past year! * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go homeand vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, forbetter or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people inour lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in mybeliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to saythan if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about howdeprived I feel.I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, VeganFreak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husbandand I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to themabout veganism.Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on theseforums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll sharethe recipe if I'm allowed to. Have a wonderful night,~Faith@gro ups.com, Beatriz <searchingalight@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Faith > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say?> Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whetherfish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration,desperation and irritation :S> At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > Thanks,> Beatriz Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 busy looking for work and, really, just haven't had time to play online (or much to say) then again, i really rarely have much to say.... Blue Rose Jul 8, 2008 11:54 AM Re: Re: Vegan coming-out Heh--busy at work, lol. On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: You want me to stir everyone up a bit? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 6:31:26 PMRe: Re: Vegan coming-out My goodness - it's quiet on here today. Shame after the people who have been joining in recently. I hope you haven't all gone away. Jo - Faith @gro ups.com Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:40 AM Re: Vegan coming-out Hello,Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put itbeautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassionyour message land better. A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting withothers:* I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full ofinformation that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in myprogram ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight andkept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussionthat they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for aslong at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets tooheated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later.* I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods areover meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowedin milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really goover well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while weare eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue thediscussion another time.* I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off thetop of my head that I can recommend to others when the informationthey are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exactanswers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazingbooks, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up todate information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get theiremail address and send them links.* When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, andignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites meto a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely,decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. Myclassmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs withoutscreaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like thefreak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian overthe past year! * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go homeand vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, forbetter or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people inour lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in mybeliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to saythan if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about howdeprived I feel.I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, VeganFreak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husbandand I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to themabout veganism.Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on theseforums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll sharethe recipe if I'm allowed to. Have a wonderful night,~Faith@gro ups.com, Beatriz <searchingalight@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Faith > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say?> Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whetherfish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration,desperation and irritation :S> At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > Thanks,> Beatriz Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at -- Email: bluerose156 AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com~Boston_GothicBoston_MysticBoston-Pagans With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 here..in the middle of another heat wave fourth heat wave of the year so far...sorta odd for us very hot, hazy, and muggy..... "E. P." Jul 8, 2008 10:44 AM Re: Re: Vegan coming-out It's one or the rare sunny days of this summer in Montreal! I don't want to miss it in front of my computer (what I do actually... doh!). I'll be back Jo, don't worrie Edith jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 1:31:26 PMRe: Re: Vegan coming-out My goodness - it's quiet on here today. Shame after the people who have been joining in recently. I hope you haven't all gone away. Jo - Faith @gro ups.com Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:40 AM Re: Vegan coming-out Hello,Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put itbeautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassionyour message land better. A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting withothers:* I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full ofinformation that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in myprogram ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight andkept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussionthat they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for aslong at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets tooheated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later.* I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods areover meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowedin milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really goover well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while weare eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue thediscussion another time.* I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off thetop of my head that I can recommend to others when the informationthey are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exactanswers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazingbooks, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up todate information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get theiremail address and send them links.* When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, andignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites meto a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely,decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. Myclassmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs withoutscreaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like thefreak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian overthe past year! * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go homeand vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, forbetter or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people inour lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in mybeliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to saythan if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about howdeprived I feel.I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, VeganFreak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husbandand I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to themabout veganism.Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on theseforums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll sharethe recipe if I'm allowed to. Have a wonderful night,~Faith@gro ups.com, Beatriz <searchingalight@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Faith > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say?> Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whetherfish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration,desperation and irritation :S> At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > Thanks,> Beatriz Now with a new friend-happy design! Try the new Canada Messenger With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Had to drive all the way to Birmingham for a 50 minute meeting about how I have to find myself a new role within the company I work for. Great, 6 hours on the road for diddly squat, are they having a giraffe or what? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 9:08:48 PMRe: Re: Vegan coming-out busy looking for work and, really, just haven't had time to play online (or much to say) then again, i really rarely have much to say.... Blue Rose Jul 8, 2008 11:54 AM @gro ups.com Re: Re: Vegan coming-out Heh--busy at work, lol. On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: You want me to stir everyone up a bit? Peter vv jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 8 July, 2008 6:31:26 PMRe: Re: Vegan coming-out My goodness - it's quiet on here today. Shame after the people who have been joining in recently. I hope you haven't all gone away. Jo - Faith @gro ups.com Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:40 AM Re: Vegan coming-out Hello,Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put itbeautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassionyour message land better. A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting withothers:* I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full ofinformation that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in myprogram ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight andkept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussionthat they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for aslong at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets tooheated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later.* I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods areover meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowedin milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really goover well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while weare eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue thediscussion another time.* I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off thetop of my head that I can recommend to others when the informationthey are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exactanswers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazingbooks, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up todate information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get theiremail address and send them links.* When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, andignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites meto a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely,decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. Myclassmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs withoutscreaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like thefreak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian overthe past year! * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go homeand vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, forbetter or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people inour lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in mybeliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to saythan if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about howdeprived I feel.I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, VeganFreak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husbandand I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to themabout veganism.Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on theseforums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll sharethe recipe if I'm allowed to. Have a wonderful night,~Faith@gro ups.com, Beatriz <searchingalight@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Faith > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say?> Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whetherfish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration,desperation and irritation :S> At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > Thanks,> Beatriz Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at -- Email: bluerose156@ gmail.comAIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com~http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothichttp://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystichttp://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 *Raises hand* poorly here - looks like we have a pretty cardre of excuses between us On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:44 PM, E. P. <bi_vegan_freak wrote: > It's one or the rare sunny days of this summer in Montreal! > > I don't want to miss it in front of my computer (what I do actually... > doh!). > > I'll be back Jo, don't worrie > > Edith > > > jo <jo.heartwork > > Tuesday, July 8, 2008 1:31:26 PM > Re: Re: Vegan coming-out > > My goodness - it's quiet on here today. Shame after the people who have > been joining in recently. I hope you haven't all gone away. > > Jo > > > - > Faith > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:40 AM > Re: Vegan coming-out > > Hello, > > Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put it > beautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassion > your message land better. > A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting with > others: > * I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full of > information that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in my > program ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight and > kept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussion > that they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for as > long at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets too > heated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later. > * I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods are > over meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowed > in milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really go > over well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while we > are eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue the > discussion another time. > * I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off the > top of my head that I can recommend to others when the information > they are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exact > answers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazing > books, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up to > date information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get their > email address and send them links. > * When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, and > ignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites me > to a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely, > decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. My > classmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs without > screaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like the > freak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian over > the past year! > * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go home > and vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. > Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, for > better or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people in > our lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in my > beliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to say > than if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about how > deprived I feel. > > I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, Vegan > Freak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husband > and I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to them > about veganism. > > Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on these > forums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll share > the recipe if I'm allowed to. > > Have a wonderful night, > ~Faith > > @gro ups.com, Beatriz <searchingalight@ ...> wrote: >> >> Hi Faith >> Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say? >> Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whether > fish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration, > desperation and irritation :S >> At times it gets really hard to keep my cools >> Thanks, >> Beatriz > > > ________________________________ > Now with a new friend-happy design! Try the new Canada Messenger > -- Ms Madeline J Anderson t: 01242 861269 m: 07881 623654 e: maddy.anderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Sounds like you all have hotter than normal weather over there. We have a lot of rain at present, in fact today there is supposed to be 75mm of rain in Wales and the South West (both Peters). The monthly rainfall total is usually 70mm! Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Is your company having a reshuffle? :-( Same is going on here. Aren't we lucky! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Had to drive all the way to Birmingham for a 50 minute meeting about how I have to find myself a new role within the company I work for. Great, 6 hours on the road for diddly squat, are they having a giraffe or what? > >  > Peter vv > > > > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 9:08:48 PM > Re: Re: Vegan coming-out > > > busy looking for work > and, really, just haven't had time to play online (or much to say) > then again, i really rarely have much to say.... > > > > > Blue Rose > Jul 8, 2008 11:54 AM > @gro ups.com > Re: Re: Vegan coming-out > > > Heh--busy at work, lol. > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: > > You want me to stir everyone up a bit? > >  > Peter vv > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com> > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 6:31:26 PM > Re: Re: Vegan coming-out > > > My goodness - it's quiet on here today. Shame after the people who have been joining in recently. I hope you haven't all gone away. >  > Jo >  > - > Faith > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:40 AM > Re: Vegan coming-out > > Hello, > > Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put it > beautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassion > your message land better. > A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting with > others: > * I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full of > information that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in my > program ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight and > kept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussion > that they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for as > long at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets too > heated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later. > * I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods are > over meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowed > in milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really go > over well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while we > are eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue the > discussion another time. > * I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off the > top of my head that I can recommend to others when the information > they are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exact > answers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazing > books, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up to > date information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get their > email address and send them links. > * When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, and > ignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites me > to a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely, > decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. My > classmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs without > screaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like the > freak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian over > the past year! > * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go home > and vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. > Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, for > better or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people in > our lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in my > beliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to say > than if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about how > deprived I feel. > > I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, Vegan > Freak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husband > and I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to them > about veganism. > > Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on these > forums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll share > the recipe if I'm allowed to. > > Have a wonderful night, > ~Faith > > @gro ups.com, Beatriz <searchingalight@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi Faith > > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say? > > Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whether > fish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration, > desperation and irritation :S > > At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > > Thanks, > > Beatriz > > > ________________________________ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > > > -- > Email: bluerose156@ gmail.com > AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156 > http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com > ~ > http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothic > http://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystic > http://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans > > With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. > > > > ________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Really? Thank you. I often feel like I have a hard time saying things in a clear manor. That's why I wanted to get into medicine- more science, less writing. ~Faith , " E. P. " <bi_vegan_freak wrote: > > Wow! That was a beautiful answer > Thanks a lot! > Edith > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Yeah, low 90s here today--same as past few days. On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:39 AM, heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Sounds like you all have hotter than normal weather over there. Wehave a lot of rain at present, in fact today there is supposed to be 75mm of rain in Wales and the South West (both Peters). The monthlyrainfall total is usually 70mm!Jo ---To send an email to -! Groups Links<*> /<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: /join ( ID required) <*> To change settings via email: -digest -fullfeatured <*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Hmmmmm-hard to talk to much, Jo, when our city is being evacuated AGAIN due to the Camp and West fires. I have not yet been sent away with my 6 cats and dog but dare not go anywhere lest I not be permitted back home, as happened last time. There I was, homeless with no warning. Whoever said, "Do you buy it?" if something says "may" contain milk. No, I don't. Also, if there is a whole paragraph of ingredients I don't buy it. None of them are usually familiar and quite suspect. I buy peanut butter that has the ingredients of "peanuts". So simple. Shelley H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 definately so far this year much warmer then normal. my greens all gave up the ghost again heartwerk Jul 8, 2008 11:39 PM Re: Vegan coming-out Sounds like you all have hotter than normal weather over there. We have a lot of rain at present, in fact today there is supposed to be 75mm of rain in Wales and the South West (both Peters). The monthly rainfall total is usually 70mm!Jo With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 My basil and mint are thriving! Seriously, my basil is taking over the huge pot I put in it. I'm going to have to get a bigger one or something.... On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: definately so far this year much warmer then normal. my greens all gave up the ghost again heartwerk Jul 8, 2008 11:39 PM Re: Vegan coming-out Sounds like you all have hotter than normal weather over there. We have a lot of rain at present, in fact today there is supposed to be 75mm of rain in Wales and the South West (both Peters). The monthly rainfall total is usually 70mm! Jo With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. -- Email: bluerose156AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com ~Boston_GothicBoston_MysticBoston-Pagans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 i love basil and, yeah, my basil is doing fine with the heat its the chard, new zealand spinach, kale, nasturtiums and peas which went kaput oh, wait, let me say that correctly: Forsooth! tis yonder green whith hath giveth up and joineth thee choir invisible Blue Rose Jul 9, 2008 7:38 AM Re: Re: Vegan coming-out My basil and mint are thriving! Seriously, my basil is taking over the huge pot I put in it. I'm going to have to get a bigger one or something.... On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: definately so far this year much warmer then normal. my greens all gave up the ghost again heartwerk Jul 8, 2008 11:39 PM Re: Vegan coming-out Sounds like you all have hotter than normal weather over there. We have a lot of rain at present, in fact today there is supposed to be 75mm of rain in Wales and the South West (both Peters). The monthly rainfall total is usually 70mm!Jo With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. -- Email: bluerose156 AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com~Boston_GothicBoston_MysticBoston-Pagans With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Yep, tiss a pure joy........... Peter vv heartwerk <jo.heartwork Sent: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008 7:53:00 AM Re: Vegan coming-out Is your company having a reshuffle? :-(Same is going on here.Aren't we lucky!Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Had to drive all the way to Birmingham for a 50 minute meeting about how I have to find myself a new role within the company I work for. Great, 6 hours on the road for diddly squat, are they having a giraffe or what?> >  > Peter vv> > > > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 9:08:48 PM> Re: Re: Vegan coming-out> > > busy looking for work> and, really, just haven't had time to play online (or much to say)> then again, i really rarely have much to say....> > > > > Blue Rose > Jul 8, 2008 11:54 AM > @gro ups.com > Re: Re: Vegan coming-out > > > Heh--busy at work, lol.> > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:> > You want me to stir everyone up a bit? > >  > Peter vv> > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 6:31:26 PM> Re: Re: Vegan coming-out> > > My goodness - it's quiet on here today. Shame after the people who have been joining in recently. I hope you haven't all gone away.>  > Jo>  > - > Faith > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:40 AM> Re: Vegan coming-out> > Hello,> > Hm, what to say... that depends a LOT on the audience. Sky put it> beautifully, if you are coming from a place of patience and compassion> your message land better. > A few things I have found helpful to remember when interacting with> others:> * I try to let people ask me rather than coming at them full of> information that they are not wanting to hear. When the women in my> program ask how I stay so thin, I tell them that I lost weight and> kept it off easily going vegan. This opens the door to a discussion> that they are more willing to hear. I only talk about veganism for as> long at the other person seems receptive. If the talk gets too> heated, I drop it. We can always pick it up later.> * I like to avoid talking about how disgusting non-vegan foods are> over meals. Telling people that there are legal levels of pus allowed> in milk while they're finishing off a tall glass doesn't really go> over well. If people ask me about my reasons for being vegan while we> are eating, I will engage them a bit, then ask if we can continue the> discussion another time.> * I try to remember a few decent references (books, websites) off the> top of my head that I can recommend to others when the information> they are asking for becomes too specific for me to know the exact> answers to. I can tell them a bit about health, but there are amazing> books, articles, and websites out there with more accurate and up to> date information that what I'm able to hold in my head. I get their> email address and send them links.> * When the interaction is clearly intended to provoke me, I smile, and> ignore the bait. A guy in my class, Hunter... ironically, invites me> to a stake house almost every day while laughing. I always, politely,> decline and thank him for being so thoughtful as to ask me out. My> classmates respect me more for standing by my beliefs without> screaming at them than they would if I allowed myself to act like the> freak they expect me to be. A few of them have gone vegetarian over> the past year! > * Following interactions or days that bring me to my knees, I go home> and vent to other vegans that will understand where I'm coming from. > Because people do not meet vegans often, I know that each of us, for> better or worse, represent the vegan community at large to people in> our lives. If people see that I am healthy, happy, and strong in my> beliefs, they will be more willing to listen to what I have to say> than if I come off as a judgmental, angry, and whiny about how> deprived I feel.> > I don't know if that answered your question at all. That book, Vegan> Freak, has great advise on all sorts of social situations. My husband> and I love being vegan, I think people see that when we speak to them> about veganism.> > Does anyone know if it is ok to post recipes from books on these> forums? We had the most amazing vegan burritos tonight! I'll share> the recipe if I'm allowed to. > > Have a wonderful night,> ~Faith> > @gro ups.com, Beatriz <searchingalight@ ...> wrote:> >> > Hi Faith > > Could You perhaps share a few tips with us on what to say?> > Talking to some people, specially those who aren't sure on whether> fish is animal or vegetable, just makes me swing between frustration,> desperation and irritation :S> > At times it gets really hard to keep my cools > > Thanks,> > Beatriz> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > > > -- > Email: bluerose156@ gmail.com> AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156> http://x-bluerose- x.livejournal. com> ~> http://groups. / group/Boston_ Gothic> http://groups. / group/Boston_ Mystic> http://groups. / group/Boston- Pagans > > With the first link, the chain is forged. 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