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ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next spring

 

we plan on coming on back to europe next april

 

we'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or

two to do " something else "

 

now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do

we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do

we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade

ago, and not with rebecca.

go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark?

 

any ideas?

any comments?

great continental places with yummy veganny food?

places we have to see?

places too avoid

 

sorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back

to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle

to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

 

now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we

aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten

path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

and of course everything revolves around beer

beer beer beer beer

 

that being said:

we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france

some other trip, but not this time

neither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republic

no amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho,

there's other palces in holland)

we'll be getting around by eurail

we love beer

we love beer

 

too bad its in april

brrrrrrrrrr

 

now, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofu

but, the gauntlet has been thrown

where there's a whip there's a way

 

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Southern Ireland? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium? all those beers..................................................................Denmark? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

No bloody help am I ...............Italy?

 

 

 

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fraggle <EBbrewpunxvegan chat Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.now, for those whoe have just

joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities. and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought

forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

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i said no islands, UK or otherwise

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

danish beers are fine...

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium? all those beers..................................................................Denmark? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

No bloody help am I ...............Italy?

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>vegan chat Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities. and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

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So how about somewhere else in e. Europe - Hungary? Bulgaria?

Romania? I'm headed to Budapest ( & Prague) myself next September.

 

Jacqueline

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

>

> ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next

spring

>

> we plan on coming on back to europe next april

>

> we'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on

having a week or two to do " something else "

>

> now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium

twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time

around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all

over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.

> go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark?

>

> any ideas?

> any comments?

> great continental places with yummy veganny food?

> places we have to see?

> places too avoid

>

> sorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands.

love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this

time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be

limited.

>

> now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca

and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we

like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we

love cities.

> and of course everything revolves around beer

> beer beer beer beer

>

> that being said:

> we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe

southern france some other trip, but not this time

> neither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills

czech republic

> no amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're

done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)

> we'll be getting around by eurail

> we love beer

> we love beer

>

> too bad its in april

> brrrrrrrrrr

>

> now, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofu

> but, the gauntlet has been thrown

> where there's a whip there's a way

>

> fraggle

>

>

> With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech

censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,

chains us all irrevocably.

>

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What about Holland?--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

fraggle <EBbrewpunxRe: Europe Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

danish beers are fine...

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM @gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .....Denmark? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

No bloody help am I ............ ...Italy?

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>vegan chat <@gro ups.com>Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.now, for those whoe have just

joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities. and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought

forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

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thought about that

the only draw back is the long train ride, don't want to spend a ton of our time on a train when we could be out and about

some good friends of ours just came back from their third tour of the balkans

jacque15320 Aug 8, 2008 12:49 PM Re: Europe

 

 

 

So how about somewhere else in e. Europe - Hungary? Bulgaria? Romania? I'm headed to Budapest ( & Prague) myself next September. Jacqueline , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:>> ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next spring> > we plan on coming on back to europe next april> > we'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"> > now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.> go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? > > any ideas?> any comments?> great continental places with yummy veganny food?> places we have to see?> places too avoid> > sorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.> > now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities. > and of course everything revolves around beer> beer beer beer beer> > that being said:> we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this time> neither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republic> no amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)> we'll be getting around by eurail> we love beer> we love beer> > too bad its in april> brrrrrrrrrr> > now, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofu> but, the gauntlet has been thrown> where there's a whip there's a way> > fraggle> > > With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.>

 

 

 

 

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i know beer is your goal, but i think italy is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too.

i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:

http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/details/Food/Beers.htmlthe country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second thoughts....

blake On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

What about Holland?--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

fraggle <EBbrewpunx

Re: Europe Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

danish beers are fine...

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM @gro ups.com

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .....Denmark? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

No bloody help am I ............ ...Italy?

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

vegan chat <@gro ups.com>Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do " something else "

now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.

go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

now, for those whoe have just

joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities. and of course everything revolves around beer

beer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republic

no amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in april

brrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought

forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

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heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

Blake Wilson Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

i know beer is your goal, but i think italy is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too. i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/details/Food/Beers.htmlthe country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second thoughts....blake

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about Holland?

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

Re: Europe Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

danish beers are fine...

 

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

@gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .....Denmark? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

No bloody help am I ............ ...Italy?

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>vegan chat <@gro ups.com>Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

 

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as i said in my original post (albeit badly), we are open to other places in the netherlands, besides amsterdam.

if someone knows of a must see...

i went to rotterdam a loong time ago, not to thrilled with it...

echolike Aug 8, 2008 1:09 PM Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about Holland?--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>Re: Europe Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

danish beers are fine...

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM @gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .....Denmark? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

No bloody help am I ............ ...Italy?

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>vegan chat <@gro ups.com>Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities. and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

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Including murdering my father’s

entire family in Turkey

between 1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did.

And President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to

maintain military bases in Turkey

and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern Iraq.

Which they of course, turned around and attacked anyway. I have Turkish

friends-but you could not pay me enough to set foot in Turkey.

When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he

laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?”

 

We remember.

 

Sorry. Snarl.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggle

Saturday, August 09, 2008

11:31 AM

 

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

 

 

 

 

Blake Wilson

Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i know beer is your goal,

but i think italy

is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of

vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too.

 

i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but

doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine

national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:

 

http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/details/Food/Beers.html

 

the country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that

little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second

thoughts....

 

blake

 

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike >

wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about Holland?

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

wrote:

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

 

 

Re: Europe

 

 

Friday, August 8, 2008,

1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

 

 

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

 

 

belgium is wonderful, but we did that

last year. might be into something else

 

 

danish beers are fine...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peter VV

Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

 

 

@gro ups.com

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland? - you

would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think

Austria would be hard for

a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium?

all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... .........

.......... .....Denmark?

....bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so?

but probably wrong.

 

 

No bloody help am I ............ ...Italy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message

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vegan chat <@gro ups.com>

Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM

Europe

 

 

 

 

ok, some how, some way,

we are heading back across the pond next spring

 

we plan on coming on back to europe next

april

 

we'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and

then plan on having a week or two to do " something else "

 

now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice

now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do

we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a

decade ago, and not with rebecca.

go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark?

 

any ideas?

any comments?

great continental places with yummy veganny food?

places we have to see?

places too avoid

 

sorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands.

love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this

time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

 

now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't

really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like

underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature,

we love cities.

 

and of course

everything revolves around beer

beer beer beer beer

 

that being said:

we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some

other trip, but not this time

neither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republic

no amsterdam,

boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's

other palces in holland)

we'll be getting around by eurail

we love beer

we love beer

 

too bad its in april

brrrrrrrrrr

 

now, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofu

but, the gauntlet has been thrown

where there's a whip there's a way

 

fraggle

 

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along with every other us president

 

CKG Aug 9, 2008 4:13 PM RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

Including murdering my father’s entire family in Turkey between 1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did. And President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to maintain military bases in Turkey and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern Iraq. Which they of course, turned around and attacked anyway. I have Turkish friends-but you could not pay me enough to set foot in Turkey. When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?â€

 

We remember.

 

Sorry. Snarl.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggleSaturday, August 09, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

 

Blake Wilson Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

i know beer is your goal, but i think italy is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too. i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/details/Food/Beers.htmlthe country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second thoughts....blake

 

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about Holland?

 

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

 

Re: Europe

Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

 

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

 

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

 

danish beers are fine...

 

 

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

 

@gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .....Denmark? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

 

No bloody help am I ............ ...Italy?

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>vegan chat <@gro ups.com>Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

 

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

 

and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

 

 

 

 

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Snarl away Cyn, I`m with you..........

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

CKG <cynthiaandtheothers Sent: Sunday, 10 August, 2008 12:13:25 AMRE: Europe

 

 

 

Including murdering my father’s entire family in Turkey between 1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did. And President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to maintain military bases in Turkey and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern Iraq . Which they of course, turned around and attacked anyway. I have Turkish friends-but you could not pay me enough to set foot in Turkey . When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?â€

 

We remember.

 

Sorry. Snarl.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [ @gro ups.com ] On Behalf Of fraggleSaturday, August 09, 2008 11:31 AM@gro ups.comRe: Europe

 

 

 

 

heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

 

Blake Wilson Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM @gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

i know beer is your goal, but i think italy is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too. i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:http://www.turkeytr avelplanner. com/details/ Food/Beers. htmlthe country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second thoughts....blake

 

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about Holland ?

 

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net> wrote:

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

Re: Europe@gro ups.com

Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

 

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

 

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

 

danish beers are fine...

 

 

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

 

@gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland ? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium ? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ..... Denmark ? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

 

No bloody help am I ............ ... Italy ?

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>vegan chat <@gro ups.com>Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

 

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany , and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? ( namur , orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany , butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark ? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands . love to go back to Bath and London , but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to

go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

 

and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam , boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all

irrevocably.

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks, dear. I’ve officially cooled off

now. Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Peter VV

Sunday, August 10, 2008 3:02

AM

 

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

Snarl away Cyn, I`m with you..........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message

----

CKG <cynthiaandtheothers (AT) comcast (DOT) net>

 

Sunday, 10 August, 2008 12:13:25 AM

RE: Europe

 

 

Including murdering my father’s entire family in Turkey between

1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did. And

President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to

maintain military bases in Turkey

and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern Iraq

.. Which they of course, turned around and attacked anyway. I have

Turkish friends-but you could not pay me enough to set foot in Turkey .

When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he

laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?”

 

We remember.

 

Sorry. Snarl.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [

@gro ups.com ] On Behalf Of fraggle

Saturday, August 09, 2008

11:31 AM

@gro ups.com

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

 

-----Original

Message-----

Blake Wilson

Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM

@gro ups.com

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

i know beer is

your goal, but i think italy

is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of

vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too.

 

i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but

doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine

national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:

 

http://www.turkeytr avelplanner. com/details/ Food/Beers. html

 

the country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that

little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second

thoughts....

 

blake

 

On Fri, Aug 8,

2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike >

wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What

about Holland

?

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin

k.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

 

Subject:

Re: Europe

@gro ups.com

 

Date:

Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

i said

no islands, UK

or otherwise

 

 

to

hard to get to, tube is expensive

 

 

belgium is wonderful, but we did that

last year. might be into something else

 

 

danish

beers are fine...

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Peter VV

Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

 

 

To:

@gro ups.com

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern

Ireland ? - you would have a job finding a vegan

brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria

would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium ? all those beers.......

.......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ..... Denmark ?

....bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so?

but probably wrong.

 

 

No bloody help

am I ............ ... Italy

?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original

Message ----

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

vegan chat <@gro ups.com>

Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM

Europe

 

 

 

 

ok, some how,

some way, we are heading back across the pond next spring

 

we plan on coming on back to europe next

april

 

we'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany , and

then plan on having a week or two to do " something else "

 

now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice

now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? ( namur , orval, etc) do

we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany , butt hat was over a

decade ago, and not with rebecca.

go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark ?

 

any ideas?

any comments?

great continental places with yummy veganny food?

places we have to see?

places too avoid

 

sorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands

.. love to go back to Bath and London , but, just not in the cards this

time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

 

now, for those

whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the

touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for

hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

 

and of course

everything revolves around beer

beer beer beer beer

 

that being said:

we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some

other trip, but not this time

neither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republic

no amsterdam

, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's

other palces in holland)

we'll be getting around by eurail

we love beer

we love beer

 

too bad its in april

brrrrrrrrrr

 

now, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofu

but, the gauntlet has been thrown

where there's a whip there's a way

 

fraggle

 

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first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear fraggle;

 

I so sincerely hope that you did not mean

that since every other US

president has denied the existence of the first genocide of the 20th

century, then it must have not happened.

I apologize in advance because I hope I am

wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggle

Saturday, August 09, 2008

8:28 PM

 

RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

along

with every other us president

 

 

 

 

 

 

CKG

Aug 9, 2008 4:13 PM

RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Including murdering my father’s entire family in Turkey

between 1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did.

And President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to

maintain military bases in Turkey

and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern

Iraq. Which they of course, turned around and attacked

anyway. I have Turkish friends-but you could not pay me enough to set

foot in Turkey.

When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he

laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?”

We remember.

Sorry. Snarl.

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggle

Saturday, August 09, 2008

11:31 AM

 

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

heck,

with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Blake Wilson

Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM

 

 

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i know beer is

your goal, but i think italy is the go to

place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of vegan pastas

in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too.

 

i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but

doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine

national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:

 

http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/details/Food/Beers.html

 

the country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that

little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second

thoughts....

 

blake

 

On Fri, Aug 8,

2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about

Holland?

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

wrote:

 

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

 

 

Subject:

Re: Europe

 

 

Date:

Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

i said

no islands, UK

or otherwise

 

 

to

hard to get to, tube is expensive

 

 

belgium is wonderful, but we did that

last year. might be into something else

 

 

danish

beers are fine...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Peter VV

Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

 

 

To:

@gro ups.com

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern

Ireland? - you would have a job finding a

vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats

wrong with Belgium?

all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... .........

.......... .....Denmark?

....bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so?

but probably wrong.

 

 

No bloody help

am I ............ ...Italy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

-----

Original Message ----

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

vegan chat <@gro ups.com>

Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM

Europe

 

 

 

 

ok, some how,

some way, we are heading back across the pond next spring

 

we plan on coming on back to europe

next april

 

we'll be spending a week in Bremen

Germany,

and then plan on having a week or two to do " something else "

 

now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium

twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur,

orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany,

butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.

go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark?

 

 

any ideas?

any comments?

great continental places with yummy veganny food?

places we have to see?

places too avoid

 

sorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands.

love to go back to Bath and London,

but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and

tube, and our time will be limited.

 

now, for those

whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the

touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for

hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

 

and of course

everything revolves around beer

beer beer beer beer

 

that being said:

we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france

some other trip, but not this time

neither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republic

no amsterdam,

boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's

other palces in holland)

we'll be getting around by eurail

we love beer

we love beer

 

too bad its in april

brrrrrrrrrr

 

now, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofu

but, the gauntlet has been thrown

where there's a whip there's a way

 

fraggle

 

With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the

first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Cyn

 

You are most certainly wrong. I think you have misread the reply.

 

Jo

 

 

-

CKG

Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:32 AM

RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

Dear fraggle;

 

I so sincerely hope that you did not mean that since every other US president has denied the existence of the first genocide of the 20th century, then it must have not happened.

I apologize in advance because I hope I am wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggleSaturday, August 09, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

along with every other us president

 

 

CKG Aug 9, 2008 4:13 PM RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

Including murdering my father’s entire family in Turkey between 1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did. And President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to maintain military bases in Turkey and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern Iraq. Which they of course, turned around and attacked anyway. I have Turkish friends-but you could not pay me enough to set foot in Turkey. When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?”

We remember.

Sorry. Snarl.

Cyn

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggleSaturday, August 09, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Europe

 

 

 

heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

 

Blake Wilson Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

i know beer is your goal, but i think italy is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too. i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/details/Food/Beers.htmlthe country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second thoughts....blake

 

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about Holland?

 

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

 

Re: Europe

Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

 

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

 

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

 

danish beers are fine...

 

 

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

 

@gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .....Denmark? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

 

No bloody help am I ............ ...Italy?

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>vegan chat <@gro ups.com>Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

 

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

 

and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

 

 

 

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no, my point was that every us president has done what bush has done

every US president has stood behind turkey and stepped away from any mention of genocide of the armenians (or kurds)

much more politic to pretend it never happened, then we can have military bases and missiles i n turkey...

CKG Aug 10, 2008 1:32 AM RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

Dear fraggle;

 

I so sincerely hope that you did not mean that since every other US president has denied the existence of the first genocide of the 20th century, then it must have not happened.

I apologize in advance because I hope I am wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggleSaturday, August 09, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

along with every other us president

 

 

CKG Aug 9, 2008 4:13 PM RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

Including murdering my father’s entire family in Turkey between 1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did. And President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to maintain military bases in Turkey and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern Iraq. Which they of course, turned around and attacked anyway. I have Turkish friends-but you could not pay me enough to set foot in Turkey. When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?â€

We remember.

Sorry. Snarl.

Cyn

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggleSaturday, August 09, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Europe

 

 

 

heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

 

Blake Wilson Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

i know beer is your goal, but i think italy is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too. i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/details/Food/Beers.htmlthe country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second thoughts....blake

 

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about Holland?

 

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

 

Re: Europe

Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

 

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

 

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

 

danish beers are fine...

 

 

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

 

@gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .....Denmark? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

 

No bloody help am I ............ ...Italy?

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>vegan chat <@gro ups.com>Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

 

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

 

and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

 

 

 

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You are wrong, its not what he was saying. He was saying they are all the same bunch of war mongering blinkered, self serving, lack of morals bunch of tw*ts.

Or something like that............

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

CKG <cynthiaandtheothers Sent: Sunday, 10 August, 2008 9:32:05 AMRE: Europe

 

 

 

Dear fraggle;

 

I so sincerely hope that you did not mean that since every other US president has denied the existence of the first genocide of the 20th century, then it must have not happened.

I apologize in advance because I hope I am wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [ @gro ups.com ] On Behalf Of fraggleSaturday, August 09, 2008 8:28 PM@gro ups.comRE: Europe

 

 

 

 

along with every other us president

 

 

CKG Aug 9, 2008 4:13 PM @gro ups.com RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

Including murdering my father’s entire family in Turkey between 1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did. And President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to maintain military bases in Turkey and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern Iraq . Which they of course, turned around and attacked anyway. I have Turkish friends-but you could not pay me enough to set foot in Turkey . When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?â€

We remember.

Sorry. Snarl.

Cyn

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [ @gro ups.com ] On Behalf Of fraggleSaturday, August 09, 2008 11:31 AM@gro ups.comRe: Europe

 

 

 

heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

 

Blake Wilson Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM @gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

i know beer is your goal, but i think italy is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too. i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:http://www.turkeytr avelplanner. com/details/ Food/Beers. htmlthe country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second thoughts....blake

 

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about Holland ?

 

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net> wrote:

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

Re: Europe@gro ups.com

Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

 

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

 

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

 

danish beers are fine...

 

 

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

 

@gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland ? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium ? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ..... Denmark ? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

 

No bloody help am I ............ ... Italy ?

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>vegan chat <@gro ups.com>Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

 

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany , and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? ( namur , orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany , butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark ? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands . love to go back to Bath and London , but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to

go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

 

and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam , boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all

irrevocably.

 

 

 

 

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Thanks, Peter. You gave me quite a chuckle.

J

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Peter VV

Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:46

PM

 

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are

wrong, its not what he was saying. He was saying they are all the same bunch of

war mongering blinkered, self serving, lack of morals bunch of tw*ts.

Or

something like that............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message

----

CKG <cynthiaandtheothers (AT) comcast (DOT) net>

 

Sunday, 10 August, 2008 9:32:05 AM

RE: Europe

 

 

Dear fraggle;

 

I so sincerely hope that you did not mean that since every other US president

has denied the existence of the first genocide of the 20th century,

then it must have not happened.

I apologize in advance because I hope I am wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [

@gro ups.com ] On Behalf Of fraggle

Saturday, August 09, 2008

8:28 PM

@gro ups.com

RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

along

with every other us president

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

CKG

Aug 9, 2008 4:13 PM

@gro ups.com

RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

Including murdering my father’s entire family in Turkey between

1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did. And

President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to

maintain military bases in Turkey

and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern Iraq

.. Which they of course, turned around and attacked anyway. I have

Turkish friends-but you could not pay me enough to set foot in Turkey .

When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he

laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?”

We remember.

Sorry. Snarl.

Cyn

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [

@gro ups.com ] On Behalf Of fraggle

Saturday, August 09, 2008

11:31 AM

@gro ups.com

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Blake Wilson

Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM

@gro ups.com

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i know beer is

your goal, but i think italy

is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of

vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too.

 

i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but

doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine

national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:

 

http://www.turkeytr avelplanner. com/details/ Food/Beers. html

 

the country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that

little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second

thoughts....

 

blake

 

On Fri, Aug 8,

2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike >

wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What

about Holland

?

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin

k.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

 

Subject:

Re: Europe

@gro ups.com

 

Date:

Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

i said

no islands, UK

or otherwise

 

 

to

hard to get to, tube is expensive

 

 

belgium is wonderful, but we did that

last year. might be into something else

 

 

danish

beers are fine...

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Peter VV

Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

 

 

To:

@gro ups.com

Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern

Ireland ? - you would have a job finding a vegan

brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria

would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium ? all those beers.......

.......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ..... Denmark ?

....bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so?

but probably wrong.

 

 

No bloody help

am I ............ ... Italy

?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original

Message ----

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

vegan chat <@gro ups.com>

Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM

Europe

 

 

 

 

ok, some how,

some way, we are heading back across the pond next spring

 

we plan on coming on back to europe next

april

 

we'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany , and

then plan on having a week or two to do " something else "

 

now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice

now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? ( namur , orval, etc) do

we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany , butt hat was over a

decade ago, and not with rebecca.

go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark ?

 

any ideas?

any comments?

great continental places with yummy veganny food?

places we have to see?

places too avoid

 

sorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands

.. love to go back to Bath and London , but, just not in the cards this

time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

 

now, for those

whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the

touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for

hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

 

and of course

everything revolves around beer

beer beer beer beer

 

that being said:

we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some

other trip, but not this time

neither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republic

no amsterdam

, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's

other palces in holland)

we'll be getting around by eurail

we love beer

we love beer

 

too bad its in april

brrrrrrrrrr

 

now, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofu

but, the gauntlet has been thrown

where there's a whip there's a way

 

fraggle

 

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first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I please to aim...............

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

CKG <cynthiaandtheothers Sent: Sunday, 10 August, 2008 10:35:01 PMRE: Europe

 

 

 

Thanks, Peter. You gave me quite a chuckle. J

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [ @gro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Peter VVSunday, August 10, 2008 1:46 PM@gro ups.comRe: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

You are wrong, its not what he was saying. He was saying they are all the same bunch of war mongering blinkered, self serving, lack of morals bunch of tw*ts.

Or something like that........ ....

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

CKG <cynthiaandtheothers @comcast. net>@gro ups.comSunday, 10 August, 2008 9:32:05 AMRE: Europe

 

 

Dear fraggle;

 

I so sincerely hope that you did not mean that since every other US president has denied the existence of the first genocide of the 20th century, then it must have not happened.

I apologize in advance because I hope I am wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [ @gro ups.com ] On Behalf Of fraggleSaturday, August 09, 2008 8:28 PM@gro ups.comRE: Europe

 

 

 

 

along with every other us president

 

 

CKG Aug 9, 2008 4:13 PM @gro ups.com RE: Europe

 

 

 

 

Including murdering my father’s entire family in Turkey between 1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did. And President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to maintain military bases in Turkey and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern Iraq . Which they of course, turned around and attacked anyway. I have Turkish friends-but you could not pay me enough to set foot in Turkey . When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?â€

We remember.

Sorry. Snarl.

Cyn

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [ @gro ups.com ] On Behalf Of fraggleSaturday, August 09, 2008 11:31 AM@gro ups.comRe: Europe

 

 

 

heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about....

 

Blake Wilson Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM @gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

i know beer is your goal, but i think italy is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too. i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject:http://www.turkeytr avelplanner. com/details/ Food/Beers. htmlthe country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second thoughts....blake

 

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about Holland ?

 

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net> wrote:

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

Re: Europe@gro ups.com

Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

i said no islands, UK or otherwise

 

to hard to get to, tube is expensive

 

belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else

 

danish beers are fine...

 

 

Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM

 

@gro ups.com Re: Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southern Ireland ? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium ? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ..... Denmark ? ...bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong.

 

No bloody help am I ............ ... Italy ?

 

 

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>vegan chat <@gro ups.com>Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe

 

 

 

ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next springwe plan on coming on back to europe next aprilwe'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany , and then plan on having a week or two to do "something else"now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? ( namur , orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany , butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca.go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark ? any ideas?any comments?great continental places with yummy veganny food?places we have to see?places too avoidsorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands . love to go back to Bath and London , but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to

go thru and tube, and our time will be limited.

now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities.

 

and of course everything revolves around beerbeer beer beer beerthat being said:we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this timeneither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republicno amsterdam , boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland)we'll be getting around by eurailwe love beerwe love beertoo bad its in aprilbrrrrrrrrrrnow, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofubut, the gauntlet has been thrownwhere there's a whip there's a wayfraggleWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all

irrevocably.

 

 

 

 

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