Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Thanks, Fraggle. I did misunderstand/overreact and I know you are an honorable person. Cyn On Behalf Of fraggle Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:18 PM [sPAM]RE: Europe no, my point was that every us president has done what bush has done every US president has stood behind turkey and stepped away from any mention of genocide of the armenians (or kurds) much more politic to pretend it never happened, then we can have military bases and missiles i n turkey... CKG Aug 10, 2008 1:32 AM RE: Europe Dear fraggle; I so sincerely hope that you did not mean that since every other US president has denied the existence of the first genocide of the 20th century, then it must have not happened. I apologize in advance because I hope I am wrong, wrong, wrong. Cyn On Behalf Of fraggle Saturday, August 09, 2008 8:28 PM RE: Europe along with every other us president CKG Aug 9, 2008 4:13 PM RE: Europe Including murdering my father’s entire family in Turkey between 1898-1918. And announcing to the world that they never did. And President Bush supporting this lie by the Turkish government in order to maintain military bases in Turkey and keep them from attacking the Kurds in Northern Iraq. Which they of course, turned around and attacked anyway. I have Turkish friends-but you could not pay me enough to set foot in Turkey. When a reporter asked Hitler how he could get away with killing Jews, he laughed and asked, “After all, who remembers the Armenians?” We remember. Sorry. Snarl. Cyn On Behalf Of fraggle Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:31 AM Re: Europe heck, with all of turkey's neighbors just about.... -----Original Message----- Blake Wilson Aug 9, 2008 8:23 AM Re: Europe i know beer is your goal, but i think italy is the go to place for traveling. you should be able to get a decent amount of vegan pastas in restaraunts, and their delis will keep you well stocked too. i always urge european travellers to go to turkey. food will be tough but doable (i got by fine as a vegetarian 10 years ago), and efes is a fine national beer (but that's about it); well, here's a page on the subject: http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/details/Food/Beers.html the country is (was?) dead cheap and super friendly. of course, there is that little situation going on with turkey's neighbor that might give you second thoughts.... blake On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM, echolike <echolike > wrote: What about Holland? --- On Fri, 8/8/08, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Subject: Re: Europe Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:11 PM i said no islands, UK or otherwise to hard to get to, tube is expensive belgium is wonderful, but we did that last year. might be into something else danish beers are fine... -----Original Message----- Peter VV Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM To: @gro ups.com Re: Europe Southern Ireland? - you would have a job finding a vegan brew there, but would be nice. I would think Austria would be hard for a vegan?,whats wrong with Belgium? all those beers....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .......... .....Denmark? ....bit cold I would have thought? and vegan beer? wouldnt have thought so? but probably wrong. No bloody help am I ............ ...Italy? Peter vv ----- Original Message ---- fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net> vegan chat <@gro ups.com> Friday, 8 August, 2008 5:13:48 PM Europe ok, some how, some way, we are heading back across the pond next spring we plan on coming on back to europe next april we'll be spending a week in Bremen Germany, and then plan on having a week or two to do " something else " now, where do we go is the question. any ideas? we've done belgium twice now. do we go back and hot places we missed the last time around? (namur, orval, etc) do we stay in deutschland? i've been all over germany, butt hat was over a decade ago, and not with rebecca. go somewhere else where neither of us has been? denmark? any ideas? any comments? great continental places with yummy veganny food? places we have to see? places too avoid sorry, Ukers, doesn't look like we'll be visiting the Islands. love to go back to Bath and London, but, just not in the cards this time, trains cost a bundle to go thru and tube, and our time will be limited. now, for those whoe have just joined, or don't really kow rebecca and myself, we aren't the touristy types. we like underground, we like going off the beaten path for hidden gems, we love nature, we love cities. and of course everything revolves around beer beer beer beer beer that being said: we have little to no interest in paris and/or france...maybe southern france some other trip, but not this time neither of us is much into pilsners, so that pretty much kills czech republic no amsterdam, boring last time around, been there twice, we're done now. (tho, there's other palces in holland) we'll be getting around by eurail we love beer we love beer too bad its in april brrrrrrrrrr now, how are we gonna afford this is a whole other kettle of tofu but, the gauntlet has been thrown where there's a whip there's a way fraggle With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. 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