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discovered america huh

*shakes head and wanders away*

Peter Aug 13, 2008 12:42 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/coffee/history.htm

 

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We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

 

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Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

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discovered...

lol

there were only 50-150 million people living here already...

Peter VV Aug 13, 2008 10:29 AM Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 

 

We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

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yep, and he discovered them!, each and every one. Put them all on his Christmas card list and everything!

 

 

 

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fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 6:55:35 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 

discovered.. .

lol

there were only 50-150 million people living here already...

Peter VV Aug 13, 2008 10:29 AM @gro ups.com Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 

 

We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

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Hi Peter

 

Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure.

 

I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die.

 

But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned.... ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England.

 

I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!!!!

 

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Peter

 

 

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Peter VV

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

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Hi Fraggle

 

Ah, but they didn't count because they were barbarians!!! It's great fun reading people like Sepulveda, and seeing just how amazingly bigotted 16th century folk could be... and then reading Las Casas, and seeing just how intelligent they could be as well!

 

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

discovered...

lol

there were only 50-150 million people living here already...

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They were bigotted and encouraged to be by the church! all those barbarian heathens!!!they need to be converted!

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 7:27:38 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 Hi Fraggle

 

Ah, but they didn't count because they were barbarians!! ! It's great fun reading people like Sepulveda, and seeing just how amazingly bigotted 16th century folk could be... and then reading Las Casas, and seeing just how intelligent they could be as well!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

 

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM

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discovered.. .

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LOL - it certainly is amazing.

 

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Peter

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:24 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 Hi Peter

 

Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure.

 

I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die.

 

But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned.... ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England.

 

I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!!!!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Peter VV

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

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Hi Peter

 

Actually, Sepulveda argued against conversion - he argued that they were "not human" in the way that we understand the term, and therefore the church shouldn't waste it's time trying to convert them, any more than it would try to convert dogs or cattle...

 

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Peter

 

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Peter VV

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:36 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

They were bigotted and encouraged to be by the church! all those barbarian heathens!!!they need to be converted!

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 7:27:38 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 Hi Fraggle

 

Ah, but they didn't count because they were barbarians!! ! It's great fun reading people like Sepulveda, and seeing just how amazingly bigotted 16th century folk could be... and then reading Las Casas, and seeing just how intelligent they could be as well!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

 

-

fraggle

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

discovered.. .

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alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all

pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/links to this?

genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim

Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 

 Hi Peter

 

Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure.

 

I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die.

 

But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned.... ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England.

 

I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!!!!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

-

Peter VV

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

BB

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Couldnt have been any money in it for them eh?

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:03:01 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 Hi Peter

 

Actually, Sepulveda argued against conversion - he argued that they were "not human" in the way that we understand the term, and therefore the church shouldn't waste it's time trying to convert them, any more than it would try to convert dogs or cattle...

 

BB

Peter

 

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Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:36 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

They were bigotted and encouraged to be by the church! all those barbarian heathens!!!they need to be converted!

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 7:27:38 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 Hi Fraggle

 

Ah, but they didn't count because they were barbarians!! ! It's great fun reading people like Sepulveda, and seeing just how amazingly bigotted 16th century folk could be... and then reading Las Casas, and seeing just how intelligent they could be as well!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

 

-

fraggle

@gro ups.com

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

discovered.. .

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I do believe the gauntlet is down?

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 9:37:21 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 

alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all

pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/ links to this?

genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim

Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM @gro ups.com Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 

 Hi Peter

 

Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure.

 

I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die.

 

But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned... . ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England.

 

I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!! !!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

-

Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

BB

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Hi Fraggle

 

Check out New Scientist, 17 October 1998.

 

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:37 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all

pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/links to this?

genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim

Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 

 Hi Peter

 

Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure.

 

I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die.

 

But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned.... ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England.

 

I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!!!!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

-

Peter VV

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

BB

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And a wooden spoon award goes to Peter VV for adroit stirring....

 

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:47 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

I do believe the gauntlet is down?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 9:37:21 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 

alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all

pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/ links to this?

genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim

Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM @gro ups.com Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 

 Hi Peter

 

Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure.

 

I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die.

 

But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned... . ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England.

 

I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!! !!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

-

Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

BB

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or enslaving, which then lead to killing

assuming you were one of the "lucky" ones that avoided death by disease

Peter Aug 13, 2008 2:19 PM Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 

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I think they could make easier money by just killing or enslaving the natives!

 

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:38 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

Couldnt have been any money in it for them eh?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:03:01 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 Hi Peter

 

Actually, Sepulveda argued against conversion - he argued that they were "not human" in the way that we understand the term, and therefore the church shouldn't waste it's time trying to convert them, any more than it would try to convert dogs or cattle...

 

BB

Peter

 

-

Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:36 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

They were bigotted and encouraged to be by the church! all those barbarian heathens!!!they need to be converted!

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 7:27:38 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 Hi Fraggle

 

Ah, but they didn't count because they were barbarians!! ! It's great fun reading people like Sepulveda, and seeing just how amazingly bigotted 16th century folk could be... and then reading Las Casas, and seeing just how intelligent they could be as well!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

 

-

fraggle

@gro ups.com

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

discovered.. .

lol

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I thought wooden spoons were for loosers at rugby, kind of like the English team..........................sorry........

what does adroit mean?

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 10:24:00 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 And a wooden spoon award goes to Peter VV for adroit stirring....

 

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:47 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

I do believe the gauntlet is down?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 9:37:21 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 

alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all

pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/ links to this?

genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim

Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM @gro ups.com Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 

 Hi Peter

 

Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure.

 

I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die.

 

But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned... . ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England.

 

I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!! !!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

-

Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

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LOL - we've booked to go to see England play at Twickenham. I'm looking forward to it.

 

Jo

 

 

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Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:42 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 

 

I thought wooden spoons were for loosers at rugby, kind of like the English team..........................sorry........

what does adroit mean?

 

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 10:24:00 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 And a wooden spoon award goes to Peter VV for adroit stirring....

 

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Peter

 

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:47 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

I do believe the gauntlet is down?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 9:37:21 PMRe: Coffee... a history

 

 

alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all

pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/ links to this?

genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim

Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM @gro ups.com Re: Coffee... a history

 

 

 

 Hi Peter

 

Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure.

 

I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die.

 

But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned... . ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England.

 

I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!! !!

 

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Peter

 

 

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Peter VV

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM

Re: Coffee... a history

 

We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores?

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history

 

 

OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America!

 

http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm

 

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