Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.telusplanet.net/public/coffee/history.htm BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 discovered america huh *shakes head and wanders away* Peter Aug 13, 2008 12:42 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.telusplanet.net/public/coffee/history.htm BB Peter With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 discovered... lol there were only 50-150 million people living here already... Peter VV Aug 13, 2008 10:29 AM Re: Coffee... a history We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 yep, and he discovered them!, each and every one. Put them all on his Christmas card list and everything! Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 6:55:35 PMRe: Coffee... a history discovered.. . lol there were only 50-150 million people living here already... Peter VV Aug 13, 2008 10:29 AM @gro ups.com Re: Coffee... a history We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger . With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008  Hi Peter Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure. I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die. But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned.... ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England. I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!!!! BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM Re: Coffee... a history We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008  Hi Fraggle Ah, but they didn't count because they were barbarians!!! It's great fun reading people like Sepulveda, and seeing just how amazingly bigotted 16th century folk could be... and then reading Las Casas, and seeing just how intelligent they could be as well! BB Peter - fraggle Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM Re: Coffee... a history discovered... lol there were only 50-150 million people living here already... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 They were bigotted and encouraged to be by the church! all those barbarian heathens!!!they need to be converted! Peter vv Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 7:27:38 PMRe: Coffee... a history  Hi Fraggle Ah, but they didn't count because they were barbarians!! ! It's great fun reading people like Sepulveda, and seeing just how amazingly bigotted 16th century folk could be... and then reading Las Casas, and seeing just how intelligent they could be as well! BB Peter - fraggle @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM Re: Coffee... a history discovered.. . lol there were only 50-150 million people living here already...Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008  LOL - it certainly is amazing. BBJo - Peter Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:24 PM Re: Coffee... a history  Hi Peter Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure. I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die. But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned.... ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England. I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!!!! BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM Re: Coffee... a history We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008  Hi Peter Actually, Sepulveda argued against conversion - he argued that they were "not human" in the way that we understand the term, and therefore the church shouldn't waste it's time trying to convert them, any more than it would try to convert dogs or cattle... BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:36 PM Re: Coffee... a history They were bigotted and encouraged to be by the church! all those barbarian heathens!!!they need to be converted! Peter vv Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 7:27:38 PMRe: Coffee... a history  Hi Fraggle Ah, but they didn't count because they were barbarians!! ! It's great fun reading people like Sepulveda, and seeing just how amazingly bigotted 16th century folk could be... and then reading Las Casas, and seeing just how intelligent they could be as well! BB Peter - fraggle @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM Re: Coffee... a history discovered.. . lol there were only 50-150 million people living here already...Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/links to this? genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM Re: Coffee... a history  Hi Peter Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure. I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die. But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned.... ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England. I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!!!! BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM Re: Coffee... a history We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Couldnt have been any money in it for them eh? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:03:01 PMRe: Coffee... a history  Hi Peter Actually, Sepulveda argued against conversion - he argued that they were "not human" in the way that we understand the term, and therefore the church shouldn't waste it's time trying to convert them, any more than it would try to convert dogs or cattle... BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:36 PM Re: Coffee... a history They were bigotted and encouraged to be by the church! all those barbarian heathens!!!they need to be converted! Peter vv Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 7:27:38 PMRe: Coffee... a history  Hi Fraggle Ah, but they didn't count because they were barbarians!! ! It's great fun reading people like Sepulveda, and seeing just how amazingly bigotted 16th century folk could be... and then reading Las Casas, and seeing just how intelligent they could be as well! BB Peter - fraggle @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM Re: Coffee... a history discovered.. . lol there were only 50-150 million people living here already...Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger . Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I do believe the gauntlet is down? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 9:37:21 PMRe: Coffee... a history alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/ links to this? genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM @gro ups.com Re: Coffee... a history  Hi Peter Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure. I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die. But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned... . ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England. I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!! !! BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM Re: Coffee... a history We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger . With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008  Hi Fraggle Check out New Scientist, 17 October 1998. BB Peter - fraggle Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:37 PM Re: Coffee... a history alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/links to this? genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM Re: Coffee... a history  Hi Peter Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure. I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die. But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned.... ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England. I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!!!! BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM Re: Coffee... a history We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008  And a wooden spoon award goes to Peter VV for adroit stirring.... BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:47 PM Re: Coffee... a history I do believe the gauntlet is down? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 9:37:21 PMRe: Coffee... a history alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/ links to this? genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM @gro ups.com Re: Coffee... a history  Hi Peter Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure. I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die. But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned... . ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England. I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!! !! BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM Re: Coffee... a history We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger . With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 or enslaving, which then lead to killing assuming you were one of the "lucky" ones that avoided death by disease Peter Aug 13, 2008 2:19 PM Re: Coffee... a history  Hi Peter I think they could make easier money by just killing or enslaving the natives! BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:38 PM Re: Coffee... a history Couldnt have been any money in it for them eh? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:03:01 PMRe: Coffee... a history  Hi Peter Actually, Sepulveda argued against conversion - he argued that they were "not human" in the way that we understand the term, and therefore the church shouldn't waste it's time trying to convert them, any more than it would try to convert dogs or cattle... BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:36 PM Re: Coffee... a history They were bigotted and encouraged to be by the church! all those barbarian heathens!!!they need to be converted! Peter vv Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 7:27:38 PMRe: Coffee... a history  Hi Fraggle Ah, but they didn't count because they were barbarians!! ! It's great fun reading people like Sepulveda, and seeing just how amazingly bigotted 16th century folk could be... and then reading Las Casas, and seeing just how intelligent they could be as well! BB Peter - fraggle @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM Re: Coffee... a history discovered.. . lol there were only 50-150 million people living here already...Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger . Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 I thought wooden spoons were for loosers at rugby, kind of like the English team..........................sorry........ what does adroit mean? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 10:24:00 PMRe: Coffee... a history  And a wooden spoon award goes to Peter VV for adroit stirring.... BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:47 PM Re: Coffee... a history I do believe the gauntlet is down? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 9:37:21 PMRe: Coffee... a history alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/ links to this? genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM @gro ups.com Re: Coffee... a history  Hi Peter Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure. I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die. But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned... . ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England. I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!! !! BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM Re: Coffee... a history We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger . With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger . Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008  LOL - we've booked to go to see England play at Twickenham. I'm looking forward to it. Jo - Peter VV Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:42 PM Re: Coffee... a history I thought wooden spoons were for loosers at rugby, kind of like the English team..........................sorry........ what does adroit mean? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 10:24:00 PMRe: Coffee... a history  And a wooden spoon award goes to Peter VV for adroit stirring.... BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:47 PM Re: Coffee... a history I do believe the gauntlet is down? Peter vv fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 9:37:21 PMRe: Coffee... a history alright there mr peter, you brought this up a long time ago..about native americans coming from europe and all pleasey please can ya post the facts/footnotes/ links to this? genetic analysis has always shown from everything i've ever seen that the first nations are genetically derived from asians, be it eastern asia or the pacific rim Peter Aug 13, 2008 11:24 AM @gro ups.com Re: Coffee... a history  Hi Peter Well, depends on which story you believe. Vespucci was actually a navigator on one of the early vessels that chanced upon the islands off the American continent... however, the idea that America was named after him was invented by a bunch of monks in the Alsace region of France in about 1525 (headed by "Mercator", the guy who drew all the maps) - they drew the "Mappa Mundi", and labelled the new continent "America". In a footnote, they suggested that it may have been named after Amerigo Vespucci, but they didn't seem very sure. I'm quite astonished, with your love of all things Welsh, that you haven't grabbed onto the suggestion that America was named after Richard Ap Merick, a Welshman who was the clerk of Bristol that handed Cabot the money to make his first voyage. Personally, I quite like the idea that it was named after the Manichean name for the Morning Star "Merica", which rose to the West, and marked the land to the West where souls go when people die. But who actually "discovered" America as far as Europeans were concerned... . ignoring those pesky "Native Americans", who seem to have come from Europe in about 10,000 BC, there's the Irish monks who claim to have found it in the 5th century, then the Vikings who discovered "Vinland" (and even had a bishop of Vinland recognised by the Vatican in the 11th century!), then Henry Sinclair discovered it for Scotland in 1398, then Cristobal Colon in the early 1490s discovered it for Italy (I gather that he later changed his name and became a film producer ;-)). John Cabot followed on a couple of years later, discovering it for England. I's amazing just how many times one place can be discovered!! !! BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM Re: Coffee... a history We discovered America? I thought it was Mr Vespuci? I dont think he was from these shores? Peter vv Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 13 August, 2008 8:42:11 AM Coffee... a history OK, I take it back - Coffee was around Europe long before we officially discovered America! http://www.teluspla net.net/public/ coffee/history. htm BB PeterSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger . With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger . Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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