Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly. If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some "bite" into the point? thanks for any and all help with this research. Joseph Puentes ==================== Joseph Puentes http://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Podcast) http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above) http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast) http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast) http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 IIRC it was in the UN report on livestock and energy use that was released within the last year or so. At 9:20 AM -0400 10/22/08, Joseph Puentes wrote: Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly. If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some " bite " into the point? thanks for any and all help with this research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008  Actually, protien doesn't provide energy, carbohydrates do. So walking or riding a bike uses the same energy source whether the rider/walker is vegan or not. :-) - Joseph Puentes Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:20 AM Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly.If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some "bite" into the point?thanks for any and all help with this research.Joseph Puentes====================Joseph Puenteshttp://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Podcast)http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 the argument has to do with how much energy one uses whether one bikes (120 calories per hour), walking (300 calories per hour), or sitting on ones butt (70-80 calories per hour) nina92116 Oct 22, 2008 12:46 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ???  Actually, protien doesn't provide energy, carbohydrates do. So walking or riding a bike uses the same energy source whether the rider/walker is vegan or not. :-) - Joseph Puentes Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:20 AM Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly.If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some "bite" into the point?thanks for any and all help with this research.Joseph Puentes====================Joseph Puenteshttp://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Podcast)http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) For in a Republic, who is “the country� Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant—merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I believe this was research that came out of Nottingham University about 6 to 12 months ago.BTW, fraggle - you sure you've got those figures the right way round? Surely riding a bike uses more calories per hour than walking (unless going down hill!) BBPeter2008/10/22 fraggle <EBbrewpunx the argument has to do with how much energy one uses whether one bikes (120 calories per hour), walking (300 calories per hour), or sitting on ones butt (70-80 calories per hour) nina92116 Oct 22, 2008 12:46 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ???  Actually, protien doesn't provide energy, carbohydrates do. So walking or riding a bike uses the same energy source whether the rider/walker is vegan or not. :-) - Joseph Puentes Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:20 AM Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly.If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some " bite " into the point?thanks for any and all help with this research.Joseph Puentes ====================Joseph Puenteshttp://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Podcast)http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast) http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) For in a Republic, who is "the country"? Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant—merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Hi NinaAccording to my biologist wife, protein does provide energy. Carbohydrates get used first, but then protein.But apart from that, there's plenty of carbs in meat & dairy!!!BBPeter 2008/10/22 <nina92116  Actually, protien doesn't provide energy, carbohydrates do. So walking or riding a bike uses the same energy source whether the rider/walker is vegan or not. :-) - Joseph Puentes Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:20 AM Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly.If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some " bite " into the point?thanks for any and all help with this research.Joseph Puentes====================Joseph Puenteshttp://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Podcast)http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 one would think so, but you are more efficient on a bike, so for the same distance you use less energy on a bike then walking. Peter Kebbell Oct 22, 2008 2:03 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? I believe this was research that came out of Nottingham University about 6 to 12 months ago.BTW, fraggle - you sure you've got those figures the right way round? Surely riding a bike uses more calories per hour than walking (unless going down hill!)BBPeter 2008/10/22 fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> the argument has to do with how much energy one uses whether one bikes (120 calories per hour), walking (300 calories per hour), or sitting on ones butt (70-80 calories per hour) nina92116 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net Oct 22, 2008 12:46 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ???  Actually, protien doesn't provide energy, carbohydrates do. So walking or riding a bike uses the same energy source whether the rider/walker is vegan or not. :-) - Joseph Puentes Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:20 AM Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly.If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some "bite" into the point?thanks for any and all help with this research.Joseph Puentes====================Joseph Puenteshttp://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Podcast)http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) For in a Republic, who is "the country"? Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant—merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain For in a Republic, who is “the country� Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant—merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Surely though you go further in an hour on a bike than you do when walking - I think on average it is three times further on a bike than when walking. Jo Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? one would think so, but you are more efficient on a bike, so for the same distance you use less energy on a bike then walking. Peter Kebbell Oct 22, 2008 2:03 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? I believe this was research that came out of Nottingham University about 6 to 12 months ago. BTW, fraggle - you sure you've got those figures the right way round? Surely riding a bike uses more calories per hour than walking (unless going down hill!) BB Peter 2008/10/22 fraggle <EBbrewpunx the argument has to do with how much energy one uses whether one bikes (120 calories per hour), walking (300 calories per hour), or sitting on ones butt (70-80 calories per hour) nina92116 Oct 22, 2008 12:46 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ???  Actually, protien doesn't provide energy, carbohydrates do. So walking or riding a bike uses the same energy source whether the rider/walker is vegan or not. :-) - Joseph Puentes Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:20 AM Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly. If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some " bite " into the point? thanks for any and all help with this research. Joseph Puentes ==================== Joseph Puentes http://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Podcast) http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above) http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast) http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast) http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) For in a Republic, who is " the country " ? Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant†" merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain For in a Republic, who is “the country� Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant†" merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008  Hi Fraggle Same distance. maybe. But surely you go much further in an hour on a bike than you do walking, and personally, I end up far more knackered! BB Peter - fraggle Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:08 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? one would think so, but you are more efficient on a bike, so for the same distance you use less energy on a bike then walking. Peter Kebbell Oct 22, 2008 2:03 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? I believe this was research that came out of Nottingham University about 6 to 12 months ago.BTW, fraggle - you sure you've got those figures the right way round? Surely riding a bike uses more calories per hour than walking (unless going down hill!)BBPeter 2008/10/22 fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> the argument has to do with how much energy one uses whether one bikes (120 calories per hour), walking (300 calories per hour), or sitting on ones butt (70-80 calories per hour) nina92116 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net Oct 22, 2008 12:46 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ???  Actually, protien doesn't provide energy, carbohydrates do. So walking or riding a bike uses the same energy source whether the rider/walker is vegan or not. :-) - Joseph Puentes Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:20 AM Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly.If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some "bite" into the point?thanks for any and all help with this research.Joseph Puentes====================Joseph Puenteshttp://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Podcast)http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) For in a Republic, who is "the country"? Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant—merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain For in a Republic, who is “the country� Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant—merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 --- On Thu, 10/23/08, heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:heartwerk <jo.heartwork Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 2:30 AM Surely though you go further in an hour on a bike than you do when walking - I think on average it is three times further on a bike than when walking. Jo Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? one would think so, but you are more efficient on a bike, so for the same distance you use less energy on a bike then walking. Peter Kebbell Oct 22, 2008 2:03 PM @gro ups.com Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? I believe this was research that came out of Nottingham University about 6 to 12 months ago. BTW, fraggle - you sure you've got those figures the right way round? Surely riding a bike uses more calories per hour than walking (unless going down hill!) BB Peter 2008/10/22 fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net> the argument has to do with how much energy one uses whether one bikes (120 calories per hour), walking (300 calories per hour), or sitting on ones butt (70-80 calories per hour) nina92116@sbcglobal .net Oct 22, 2008 12:46 PM @gro ups.com Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ???  Actually, protien doesn't provide energy, carbohydrates do. So walking or riding a bike uses the same energy source whether the rider/walker is vegan or not. :-) - Joseph Puentes @gro ups.com Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:20 AM Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly. If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some "bite" into the point? thanks for any and all help with this research. Joseph Puentes ============ ======== Joseph Puentes http://H2Opodcast. com/vsse. html (Vegan Solutions Podcast) http://h2opodcast. com (Environment Podcast) http://h2opodcast. blogspot. com/ (Blog for above) http://PleaseListen ToYourMom. com (Women's Peace Podcast) http://NuestraFamil iaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast) http://NuestrosRanc hos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) For in a Republic, who is "the country"? Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servantâ€"merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain For in a Republic, who is “the countryâ€�? Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servantâ€"merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 just to be a sticker her, peter:meat has almost no carbs, dairy has just a bit (enough to be considered very low carb). blake On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: Hi NinaAccording to my biologist wife, protein does provide energy. Carbohydrates get used first, but then protein.But apart from that, there's plenty of carbs in meat & dairy!!! BBPeter 2008/10/22 <nina92116  Actually, protien doesn't provide energy, carbohydrates do. So walking or riding a bike uses the same energy source whether the rider/walker is vegan or not. :-) - Joseph Puentes Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:20 AM Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly.If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some " bite " into the point?thanks for any and all help with this research.Joseph Puentes====================Joseph Puenteshttp://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Podcast)http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 when you ride a bike, you are more efficient in forward momentum. now, if you go fast, you are expending more energy, but you would also then be running if you weren't on the bike. i have waaaaay tooo many e-mails to get thru to look it up right now, but, google it for the exact amounts for each Peter Oct 23, 2008 12:17 AM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ???  Hi Fraggle Same distance. maybe. But surely you go much further in an hour on a bike than you do walking, and personally, I end up far more knackered! BB Peter - fraggle Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:08 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? one would think so, but you are more efficient on a bike, so for the same distance you use less energy on a bike then walking. Peter Kebbell Oct 22, 2008 2:03 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? I believe this was research that came out of Nottingham University about 6 to 12 months ago.BTW, fraggle - you sure you've got those figures the right way round? Surely riding a bike uses more calories per hour than walking (unless going down hill!)BBPeter 2008/10/22 fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> the argument has to do with how much energy one uses whether one bikes (120 calories per hour), walking (300 calories per hour), or sitting on ones butt (70-80 calories per hour) nina92116 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net Oct 22, 2008 12:46 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ???  Actually, protien doesn't provide energy, carbohydrates do. So walking or riding a bike uses the same energy source whether the rider/walker is vegan or not. :-) - Joseph Puentes Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:20 AM Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? Help me understand something. I've heard things that I've possibly misunderstood and I'm looking for source information to prove this if I have understood correctly.If a person is riding a bike or walking but if their energy comes from eating animal products they can actually be less energy conservative than a person on a Vegan diet driving a Prius. Yes I know that might be to vague but if its true does anyone where I can find source information to be able to put some "bite" into the point?thanks for any and all help with this research.Joseph Puentes====================Joseph Puenteshttp://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Podcast)http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) For in a Republic, who is "the country"? Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant—merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain For in a Republic, who is “the country� Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant—merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain For in a Republic, who is “the country� Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant—merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 I asked this question on the and they are looking at the question in depth. The position might be wrong and I need to be leveled a bit now and then. I myself did make the change because of the environmental impact my meat eating was having and I can't understand how Meat Eating " environmentalists " soothe their conscience as they stab a plate full of animal. many thanks for your answers I appreciate the help. joseph ==================== Joseph Puentes http://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Environmental Podcast) http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above) http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast) http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast) http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hi Joseph I think the main thing is blinkers... only a limited number of " environmentalists " want to know about diet issues, because it would mean too much of a change to their lifestyle. It also doesn't help that all the environmental organisations seem to think that talking about issues of diet will be " too unpopular " , so refuse to mention the environmental impact of meat farming. I've offered several environmental organisations around the South West of England to do talks on the environmental impact of meat, but they've all said they're not interested, and would rather focus on stopping people driving. They get very upset when I highlight to them the recent Nottingham University research which has suggested that it's more environmentally friendly to drive on a meat eating diet than it is to cycle on it! BB Peter - " Joseph Puentes " <makas Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:02 AM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? >I asked this question on the and they are looking > at the question in depth. The position might be wrong and I need to be > leveled a bit now and then. I myself did make the change because of > the environmental impact my meat eating was having and I can't > understand how Meat Eating " environmentalists " soothe their conscience > as they stab a plate full of animal. > > many thanks for your answers I appreciate the help. > > joseph > > ==================== > > Joseph Puentes > http://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Environmental Podcast) > http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) > http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above) > http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast) > http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast) > http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes > Genealogy) > > > --- > > To send an email to > -! Groups Links > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hi Puentes, This is interesting. I heard this first in a study published about a year ago or so. I believe it has to do with the runoff pollution, the grains needed to grow, the amount of forests destroyed, and the Farts produced by a cow all to eat a piece of meat. Vs. riding a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 I googled these links. Peter! I didn't know you had gotten married! Congratulations! A lot happened while I was away UN Report. Rearing cattle produces more greenhouse gases than driving cars . http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp? NewsID=20772 & Cr=global & Cr1=environment FAO report Livestock a major threat to environment http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html Livestocks Long shadowhttp://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/a0701e/ A0701E00.pdf WSPA report says factory farming exacerbates global poverty http://www.wspa- usa.org/pages/2040_wspa_report_says_factory_farming_exacerbates_ global_poverty.cfm Livestock's Long Shadow http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/a0701e/A0701E 00.pdf , " Peter Kebbell " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Nina > > According to my biologist wife, protein does provide energy. Carbohydrates > get used first, but then protein. > > But apart from that, there's plenty of carbs in meat & dairy!!! > > BB > Peter > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hi fraggle, don't know much about specifics, but I know that when I ride my bike, only the lower part of me is moving, so the upper part of me gets almost no (muscle) workout. Anouk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hi Joseph, My feeling is that environmentalists look the other way. I'm not perfect, but for us humans, the pleasure principle generally rules.. I have been stopped on the streets of NY, by greenpeace activists asking me to donate money. I asked if they ate meat and the person said that he thought that about 7 out of 10 of his greenpeace friends were vegetarian and 3 or 4 out of 10 were vegan. He said " go vegan " is not their main message but to eat less animals should be part their general idea. He never volunteered if he was vegan/vegetarian himself. I don't condemn greenpeace. They are worldwide and some of their campains have been very succesful. However, it doesn't make sense to " save the whales " but.. eat the cow. Right now.. greenpeace has a campaign out encouraging Australians to eat more Kangaroo ?!?! I can't > understand how Meat Eating " environmentalists " soothe their conscience > as they stab a plate full of animal. > > many thanks for your answers I appreciate the help. > > joseph > > ==================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 hi Peter, your right, throughout this whole " green movement " I have seen magazines articles, flyers put out by Whole Foods and other publications. they list the top ten things you can do to help the environment or how to be more " green " They list.. changing to energy efficient light bulb, use less water, ride a bike, buy local/organic..etc..etc.. Rarely is Stop Eating Meat, one of them or else it is at the bottom of their list. It should be the #1 thing on the top ten things you can do for the environment!! Anouk , " Peter " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Joseph > > I think the main thing is blinkers... only a limited number of > " environmentalists " want to know about diet issues, because it would mean > too much of a change to their lifestyle. > > It also doesn't help that all the environmental organisations seem to think > that talking about issues of diet will be " too unpopular " , so refuse to > mention the environmental impact of meat farming. I've offered several > environmental organisations around the South West of England to do talks on > the environmental impact of meat, but they've all said they're not > interested, and would rather focus on stopping people driving. They get very > upset when I highlight to them the recent Nottingham University research > which has suggested that it's more environmentally friendly to drive on a > meat eating diet than it is to cycle on it! > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Meat Is a Global Warming Issue By Dan Brook, E Magazine. Posted August 24, 2006. Put that hamburger down! Our carnivorous habits are partially responsible for the dire threat of global warming. There are many human activities that contribute to global warming. Among the biggest contributors are electrical generation, the use of passenger and other vehicles, over-consumption, international shipping, deforestation, smoking and militarism. (The U.S. military, for example, is the world's biggest consumer of oil and the world's biggest polluter.) What many people do not know, however, is that the production of meat also significantly increases global warming. Cow farms produce millions of tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane per year, the two major greenhouse gases that together account for more than 90 percent of U.S. greenhouse emissions, substantially contributing to " global scorching. " According to the United Nations Environment Program's Unit on Climate Change, " There is a strong link between human diet and methane emissions from livestock. " The 2004 State of the World is more specific regarding the link between animals raised for meat and global warming: " Belching, flatulent livestock emit 16 percent of the world's annual production of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas. " The July 2005 issue of Physics World states: " The animals we eat emit 21 percent of all the CO2 that can be attributed to human activity. " Eating meat directly contributes to this environmentally irresponsible industry and the dire threat of global warming. Additionally, rainforests are being cut down at an extremely rapid rate to both pasture cows and grow soybeans to feed cows. The clear-cutting of trees in the rainforest -- an incredibly bio-diverse area with 90 percent of all species on Earth -- not only creates more greenhouse gases through the process of destruction, but also reduces the amazing benefits that those trees provide. Rainforests have been called the " lungs of the Earth, " because they filter our air by absorbing CO2, while emitting life-supporting oxygen. " In a nutshell, " according to the Center for International Forestry Research, " cattle ranchers are making mincemeat out of Brazil's Amazon rainforests. " Of course, the U.S. should join the other 163 countries in ratifying the Kyoto Protocol. Of course, we should sharply reduce our reliance on fossil fuels and shift towards renewable sources of energy. Of course, we need to stop destroying the rainforests. Of course, we need to stop the war in Iraq and drastically reduce the U.S. military budget (presently at half of the entire world's total military spending), which would increase, not decrease, national and global security. But as we're struggling and waiting for these and other structural changes, we need to make personal changes. Geophysicists Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin from the University of Chicago concluded that changing one's eating habits from the Standard American Diet (SAD) to a vegetarian diet does more to fight global warming than switching from a gas-guzzling SUV to a fuel-efficient hybrid car. Of course, you can do both. Where the environment is concerned, eating meat is like driving a huge SUV. According to Eshel, eating a vegetarian diet is like driving a mid-sized car or a reasonable sedan, and eating a vegan diet (no dairy, no eggs) is like riding a bicycle or walking. Shifting away from SUVs and SUV-style diets, to much more energy-efficient alternatives, is key to fighting the warming trend. Global warming is already having grave effects on our planet. Vegetarians help keep the planet cool in more ways than one. Paul McCartney says, " If anyone wants to save the planet, all they have to do is just stop eating meat. That's the single most important thing you could do. " Andrea Gordon, in her article " If You Recycle, Why Are You Eating Meat? " agrees: " There is a direct relationship between eating meat and the environment. Quite simply, you can't be a meat-eating environmentalist. Sorry folks. " Vegetarianism is literally about life and death -- for each of us individually and for all of us together. Eating animals simultaneously contributes to a multitude of tragedies: the animals' suffering and death; the ill-health and early death of people; the unsustainable overuse of oil, water, land, topsoil, grain, labor and other vital resources; environmental destruction, including deforestation, species extinction, mono-cropping and global warming; the legitimacy of force and violence; the mis-allocation of capital, skills, land and other assets; vast inefficiencies in the economy; tremendous waste; massive inequalities in the world; the continuation of world hunger and mass starvation; the transmission and spread of dangerous diseases; and moral failure in so-called civilized societies. Vegetarianism is an antidote to all of these unnecessary tragedies. The editors of World Watch concluded in the July/August 2004 edition that " the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future -- deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities and the spread of disease. " Lee Hall, the legal director for Friends of Animals, is more succinct: " Behind virtually every great environmental complaint there's milk and meat. " Global warming may be the most serious global social problem threatening life on Earth. We need to fight global warming on the governmental and corporate levels, and we also need to fight global warming on the everyday and personal levels. Now we need to fight global warming -- with our forks. Dan Brook is an instructor of sociology at San Jose State University and author of " Modern Revolution " (University Press of America, 2005). Please take a look at Eco-Eating : Eating as if the Earth Matters at www.brook.com/veg for much much detailed information with plenty of links. Also see www.eatkind.net/inconvenient.htm for another take on another inconvenient truth. This EarthSave Report is also worthwhile: www.earthsave.org/globalwarming.htm (please share this info with others) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 there was a major article in E Magazine a few years back that tackled that very subject. can an Environmentalist not be vegetarian? gonna have to see if i still have that magazine.... Joseph Puentes Oct 24, 2008 4:02 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? I asked this question on the and they are lookingat the question in depth. The position might be wrong and I need to beleveled a bit now and then. I myself did make the change because ofthe environmental impact my meat eating was having and I can'tunderstand how Meat Eating "environmentalists" soothe their conscienceas they stab a plate full of animal. many thanks for your answers I appreciate the help.joseph====================Joseph Puenteshttp://H2Opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Solutions Environmental Podcast)http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and AguascalientesGenealogy) For in a Republic, who is “the country� Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant—merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Here it is again, in case it didn't come through the first time. At 12:45 PM -0700 10/25/08, yarrow wrote: Meat Is a Global Warming Issue By Dan Brook, E Magazine. Posted August 24, 2006. Put that hamburger down! Our carnivorous habits are partially responsible for the dire threat of global warming. There are many human activities that contribute to global warming. Among the biggest contributors are electrical generation, the use of passenger and other vehicles, over-consumption, international shipping, deforestation, smoking and militarism. (The U.S. military, for example, is the world's biggest consumer of oil and the world's biggest polluter.) What many people do not know, however, is that the production of meat also significantly increases global warming. Cow farms produce millions of tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane per year, the two major greenhouse gases that together account for more than 90 percent of U.S. greenhouse emissions, substantially contributing to " global scorching. " According to the United Nations Environment Program's Unit on Climate Change, " There is a strong link between human diet and methane emissions from livestock. " The 2004 State of the World is more specific regarding the link between animals raised for meat and global warming: " Belching, flatulent livestock emit 16 percent of the world's annual production of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas. " The July 2005 issue of Physics World states: " The animals we eat emit 21 percent of all the CO2 that can be attributed to human activity. " Eating meat directly contributes to this environmentally irresponsible industry and the dire threat of global warming. Additionally, rainforests are being cut down at an extremely rapid rate to both pasture cows and grow soybeans to feed cows. The clear-cutting of trees in the rainforest -- an incredibly bio-diverse area with 90 percent of all species on Earth -- not only creates more greenhouse gases through the process of destruction, but also reduces the amazing benefits that those trees provide. Rainforests have been called the " lungs of the Earth, " because they filter our air by absorbing CO2, while emitting life-supporting oxygen. " In a nutshell, " according to the Center for International Forestry Research, " cattle ranchers are making mincemeat out of Brazil's Amazon rainforests. " Of course, the U.S. should join the other 163 countries in ratifying the Kyoto Protocol. Of course, we should sharply reduce our reliance on fossil fuels and shift towards renewable sources of energy. Of course, we need to stop destroying the rainforests. Of course, we need to stop the war in Iraq and drastically reduce the U.S. military budget (presently at half of the entire world's total military spending), which would increase, not decrease, national and global security. But as we're struggling and waiting for these and other structural changes, we need to make personal changes. Geophysicists Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin from the University of Chicago concluded that changing one's eating habits from the Standard American Diet (SAD) to a vegetarian diet does more to fight global warming than switching from a gas-guzzling SUV to a fuel-efficient hybrid car. Of course, you can do both. Where the environment is concerned, eating meat is like driving a huge SUV. According to Eshel, eating a vegetarian diet is like driving a mid-sized car or a reasonable sedan, and eating a vegan diet (no dairy, no eggs) is like riding a bicycle or walking. Shifting away from SUVs and SUV-style diets, to much more energy-efficient alternatives, is key to fighting the warming trend. Global warming is already having grave effects on our planet. Vegetarians help keep the planet cool in more ways than one. Paul McCartney says, " If anyone wants to save the planet, all they have to do is just stop eating meat. That's the single most important thing you could do. " Andrea Gordon, in her article " If You Recycle, Why Are You Eating Meat? " agrees: " There is a direct relationship between eating meat and the environment. Quite simply, you can't be a meat-eating environmentalist. Sorry folks. " Vegetarianism is literally about life and death -- for each of us individually and for all of us together. Eating animals simultaneously contributes to a multitude of tragedies: the animals' suffering and death; the ill-health and early death of people; the unsustainable overuse of oil, water, land, topsoil, grain, labor and other vital resources; environmental destruction, including deforestation, species extinction, mono-cropping and global warming; the legitimacy of force and violence; the mis-allocation of capital, skills, land and other assets; vast inefficiencies in the economy; tremendous waste; massive inequalities in the world; the continuation of world hunger and mass starvation; the transmission and spread of dangerous diseases; and moral failure in so-called civilized societies. Vegetarianism is an antidote to all of these unnecessary tragedies. The editors of World Watch concluded in the July/August 2004 edition that " the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future -- deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities and the spread of disease. " Lee Hall, the legal director for Friends of Animals, is more succinct: " Behind virtually every great environmental complaint there's milk and meat. " Global warming may be the most serious global social problem threatening life on Earth. We need to fight global warming on the governmental and corporate levels, and we also need to fight global warming on the everyday and personal levels. Now we need to fight global warming -- with our forks. Dan Brook is an instructor of sociology at San Jose State University and author of " Modern Revolution " (University Press of America, 2005). Please take a look at Eco-Eating : Eating as if the Earth Matters at www.brook.com/veg for much much detailed information with plenty of links. Also see www.eatkind.net/inconvenient.htm for another take on another inconvenient truth. This EarthSave Report is also worthwhile: www.earthsave.org/globalwarming.htm (please share this info with others) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Hi Anouk Thanks - I got married in August, so still fairly recent! :-) BB Peter - " flower child " <zurumato Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:43 PM Re: Riding a Bike Or Walking ??? >I googled these links. > > Peter! I didn't know you had gotten married! > Congratulations! A lot happened while I was away > > > UN Report. Rearing cattle produces more greenhouse gases than driving > cars . > http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp? > NewsID=20772 & Cr=global & Cr1=environment > > FAO report Livestock a major threat to environment > http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html > Livestocks Long > shadowhttp://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/a0701e/ > A0701E00.pdf > > WSPA report says factory farming exacerbates global poverty > http://www.wspa- > usa.org/pages/2040_wspa_report_says_factory_farming_exacerbates_ > global_poverty.cfm > > Livestock's Long Shadow > > http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/a0701e/A0701E > 00.pdf > > > > , " Peter Kebbell " <metalscarab > wrote: >> >> Hi Nina >> >> According to my biologist wife, protein does provide energy. > Carbohydrates >> get used first, but then protein. >> >> But apart from that, there's plenty of carbs in meat & dairy!!! >> >> BB >> Peter >> > > > > --- > > To send an email to > -! Groups Links > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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