Jailed LIZZY BORDEN Guitarist Claims Veganism Not Recognized By

[Guest guest]

, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> Current LIZZY BORDEN guitarist Ira Black, who has previously played

with METAL CHURCH, VICIOUS RUMORS and HEATHEN, has gone on a hunger

strike at the Los Angeles County Jail because he claims that veganism

is not being recognized by the facility as " valid and sincere. "

>

> Ira was taken into custody the morning of January 3, 2009 on a

misdemeanor charge (he apparently had a warrant out for his arrest for

an unpaid fine) and is being held on $65,000 bail.

>

> Black's fiancée says that the guitarist " has been in the system for

over a week now and has had to survive on a miniscule diet. Ira has

been a vegan for 15 years and it seems none of the local correctional

facilities will accommodate any inmate with a vegetarian or vegan

diet. They will give inmates with medical problems or religious

beliefs a different meal, but there is no concern for the

vegetarians/vegans.

>

> " He feels very strongly about this and has gone on a 'hunger strike'

until his release later this month to show how serious this should be

taken. The situation has been escalating hour by hour. He is now being

mistreated by the guards and was forced to take off a sign he was

wearing that said 'hunger strike.' He is also being coerced by

deputies to 'just go with the system' and eat the food that is

provided. He is being threatened and is worried he will be punished in

unknown ways just for requesting a meal of vegetables and/or fruit.

>

> " Ira spoke to a chaplain at the jail, and they both feel like this

is an issue which needs to be made public and dealt with. Ira stated:

'If I can just get the word out so that people will start calling the

jail, there can be some changes made. I want people to know how

legitimate and sincere veganism and vegetarianism is and this is a

serious human-rights issue, I'm not just trying to manipulate the system.'

>

> " Ira has also contacted other musicians, local media and PETA

regarding this issue. "

>

> For more information about Ira's arrest, search for his name on The

Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Inmate Information Center.

>

> Â

> Peter vv

 

What's wrong with letting him eat Veggies and Fruit?

 

I know he's in jail and you don't get what you want there, you get

what your given. However,if others are allowed to eat what they want

for specific reasons then shouldn't Vegans and Vegetarians?

 

Its not like its hard to provide a vegan meal of nothing but Fruit

and Veggies. Man what's wrong with some people?

 

That whole part about him being told to just go along with the

system, seems all to familiar as a vegan to me. When will people learn

that we don't want to go along with animal abuse and Murder?

Good luck to Ira stand up for your rights dude!

 

Hmm, I wonder what his band mates think of think of this?

 

I also wonder how many Vegans are in Jail around the World?

>

[Guest guest]

ahem...

i ate a lot of carrot sticks while i was, ummm..in the pokey

rachelsgirl2009 Jan 11, 2009 12:43 PM Re: Jailed LIZZY BORDEN Guitarist Claims Veganism Not Recognized By

 

 

 

, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Current LIZZY BORDEN guitarist Ira Black, who has previously playedwith METAL CHURCH, VICIOUS RUMORS and HEATHEN, has gone on a hungerstrike at the Los Angeles County Jail because he claims that veganismis not being recognized by the facility as "valid and sincere."> > Ira was taken into custody the morning of January 3, 2009 on amisdemeanor charge (he apparently had a warrant out for his arrest foran unpaid fine) and is being held on $65,000 bail.> > Black's fiancée says that the guitarist "has been in the system forover a week now and has had to survive on a miniscule diet. Ira hasbeen a vegan for 15 years and it seems none of the local correctionalfacilities will accommodate any inmate with a vegetarian or vegandiet. They will give inmates with medical problems or religiousbeliefs a different meal, but there is no concern for thevegetarians/vegans.> > "He feels very strongly about this and has gone on a 'hunger strike'until his release later this month to show how serious this should betaken. The situation has been escalating hour by hour. He is now beingmistreated by the guards and was forced to take off a sign he waswearing that said 'hunger strike.' He is also being coerced bydeputies to 'just go with the system' and eat the food that isprovided. He is being threatened and is worried he will be punished inunknown ways just for requesting a meal of vegetables and/or fruit.> > "Ira spoke to a chaplain at the jail, and they both feel like thisis an issue which needs to be made public and dealt with. Ira stated:'If I can just get the word out so that people will start calling thejail, there can be some changes made. I want people to know howlegitimate and sincere veganism and vegetarianism is and this is aserious human-rights issue, I'm not just trying to manipulate the system.'> > "Ira has also contacted other musicians, local media and PETAregarding this issue."> > For more information about Ira's arrest, search for his name on TheLos Angeles County Sheriff's Department Inmate Information Center.> >  > Peter vvWhat's wrong with letting him eat Veggies and Fruit? I know he's in jail and you don't get what you want there, you getwhat your given. However,if others are allowed to eat what they wantfor specific reasons then shouldn't Vegans and Vegetarians? Its not like its hard to provide a vegan meal of nothing but Fruitand Veggies. Man what's wrong with some people? That whole part about him being told to just go along with thesystem, seems all to familiar as a vegan to me. When will people learnthat we don't want to go along with animal abuse and Murder? Good luck to Ira stand up for your rights dude! Hmm, I wonder what his band mates think of think of this? I also wonder how many Vegans are in Jail around the World? >

 

 

 

 

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"

[Guest guest]

Lots of metal band members are either vegan or veggie, so I suspect

the rest of the band just support him in his choices.

 

Jo

 

, " rachelsgirl2009 "

<rachelsgirl2009 wrote:

>

> , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> >

> > Current LIZZY BORDEN guitarist Ira Black, who has previously

played

> with METAL CHURCH, VICIOUS RUMORS and HEATHEN, has gone on a hunger

> strike at the Los Angeles County Jail because he claims that

veganism

> is not being recognized by the facility as " valid and sincere. "

> >

> > Ira was taken into custody the morning of January 3, 2009 on a

> misdemeanor charge (he apparently had a warrant out for his arrest

for

> an unpaid fine) and is being held on $65,000 bail.

> >

> > Black's fiancée says that the guitarist " has been in the system

for

> over a week now and has had to survive on a miniscule diet. Ira has

> been a vegan for 15 years and it seems none of the local

correctional

> facilities will accommodate any inmate with a vegetarian or vegan

> diet. They will give inmates with medical problems or religious

> beliefs a different meal, but there is no concern for the

> vegetarians/vegans.

> >

> > " He feels very strongly about this and has gone on a 'hunger

strike'

> until his release later this month to show how serious this should

be

> taken. The situation has been escalating hour by hour. He is now

being

> mistreated by the guards and was forced to take off a sign he was

> wearing that said 'hunger strike.' He is also being coerced by

> deputies to 'just go with the system' and eat the food that is

> provided. He is being threatened and is worried he will be punished

in

> unknown ways just for requesting a meal of vegetables and/or fruit.

> >

> > " Ira spoke to a chaplain at the jail, and they both feel like this

> is an issue which needs to be made public and dealt with. Ira

stated:

> 'If I can just get the word out so that people will start calling

the

> jail, there can be some changes made. I want people to know how

> legitimate and sincere veganism and vegetarianism is and this is a

> serious human-rights issue, I'm not just trying to manipulate the

system.'

> >

> > " Ira has also contacted other musicians, local media and PETA

> regarding this issue. "

> >

> > For more information about Ira's arrest, search for his name on

The

> Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Inmate Information Center.

> >

> > Â

> > Peter vv

>

> What's wrong with letting him eat Veggies and Fruit?

>

> I know he's in jail and you don't get what you want there, you get

> what your given. However,if others are allowed to eat what they want

> for specific reasons then shouldn't Vegans and Vegetarians?

>

> Its not like its hard to provide a vegan meal of nothing but Fruit

> and Veggies. Man what's wrong with some people?

>

> That whole part about him being told to just go along with the

> system, seems all to familiar as a vegan to me. When will people

learn

> that we don't want to go along with animal abuse and Murder?

> Good luck to Ira stand up for your rights dude!

>

> Hmm, I wonder what his band mates think of think of this?

>

> I also wonder how many Vegans are in Jail around the World?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I KNEW there was a reason I adore you.  Cyn

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggle

Monday, January 12, 2009 2:02 AM

 

Re: Jailed LIZZY BORDEN Guitarist Claims Veganism

Not Recognized By

 

 

 

 

 

 

ahem...

i ate a lot of carrot sticks while i was,

ummm..in the pokey

 

 

 

 

rachelsgirl2009

Jan 11, 2009 12:43 PM

Re: Jailed LIZZY BORDEN Guitarist Claims Veganism Not

Recognized By

 

 

 

 

 

 

,

Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> Current LIZZY BORDEN guitarist Ira Black, who has previously played

with METAL CHURCH, VICIOUS RUMORS and HEATHEN, has gone on a hunger

strike at the Los Angeles County Jail because he claims that veganism

is not being recognized by the facility as " valid and sincere. "

>

> Ira was taken into custody the morning of January 3, 2009 on a

misdemeanor charge (he apparently had a warrant out for his arrest for

an unpaid fine) and is being held on $65,000 bail.

>

> Black's fiancée says that the guitarist " has been in the system for

over a week now and has had to survive on a miniscule diet. Ira has

been a vegan for 15 years and it seems none of the local correctional

facilities will accommodate any inmate with a vegetarian or vegan

diet. They will give inmates with medical problems or religious

beliefs a different meal, but there is no concern for the

vegetarians/vegans.

>

> " He feels very strongly about this and has gone on a 'hunger strike'

until his release later this month to show how serious this should be

taken. The situation has been escalating hour by hour. He is now being

mistreated by the guards and was forced to take off a sign he was

wearing that said 'hunger strike.' He is also being coerced by

deputies to 'just go with the system' and eat the food that is

provided. He is being threatened and is worried he will be punished in

unknown ways just for requesting a meal of vegetables and/or fruit.

>

> " Ira spoke to a chaplain at the jail, and they both feel like this

is an issue which needs to be made public and dealt with. Ira stated:

'If I can just get the word out so that people will start calling the

jail, there can be some changes made. I want people to know how

legitimate and sincere veganism and vegetarianism is and this is a

serious human-rights issue, I'm not just trying to manipulate the system.'

>

> " Ira has also contacted other musicians, local media and PETA

regarding this issue. "

>

> For more information about Ira's arrest, search for his name on The

Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Inmate Information Center.

>

> Â

> Peter vv

 

What's wrong with letting him eat Veggies and Fruit?

 

I know he's in jail and you don't get what you want there, you get

what your given. However,if others are allowed to eat what they want

for specific reasons then shouldn't Vegans and Vegetarians?

 

Its not like its hard to provide a vegan meal of nothing but Fruit

and Veggies. Man what's wrong with some people?

 

That whole part about him being told to just go along with the

system, seems all to familiar as a vegan to me. When will people learn

that we don't want to go along with animal abuse and Murder?

Good luck to Ira stand up for your rights dude!

 

Hmm, I wonder what his band mates think of think of this?

 

I also wonder how many Vegans are in Jail around the World?

>

 

 

 

 

" Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just  so we can have nice running shoes? "

[Guest guest]

and here i thought it was because someone paid you to.....

then why was a paying all that cash to the rep company? i demand to see my public relations case manager...

CKG Jan 12, 2009 1:53 AM RE: Jailed LIZZY BORDEN Guitarist Claims Veganism Not Recognized By

 

 

 

 

 

I KNEW there was a reason I adore you. Cyn

 

 

 

On Behalf Of fraggleMonday, January 12, 2009 2:02 AM Subject: Re: Jailed LIZZY BORDEN Guitarist Claims Veganism Not Recognized By

 

 

 

 

ahem...

i ate a lot of carrot sticks while i was, ummm..in the pokey

 

rachelsgirl2009 Jan 11, 2009 12:43 PM Re: Jailed LIZZY BORDEN Guitarist Claims Veganism Not Recognized By

 

 

 

, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Current LIZZY BORDEN guitarist Ira Black, who has previously playedwith METAL CHURCH, VICIOUS RUMORS and HEATHEN, has gone on a hungerstrike at the Los Angeles County Jail because he claims that veganismis not being recognized by the facility as "valid and sincere."> > Ira was taken into custody the morning of January 3, 2009 on amisdemeanor charge (he apparently had a warrant out for his arrest foran unpaid fine) and is being held on $65,000 bail.> > Black's fiancée says that the guitarist "has been in the system forover a week now and has had to survive on a miniscule diet. Ira hasbeen a vegan for 15 years and it seems none of the local correctionalfacilities will accommodate any inmate with a vegetarian or vegandiet. They will give inmates with medical problems or religiousbeliefs a different meal, but there is no concern for thevegetarians/vegans.> > "He feels very strongly about this and has gone on a 'hunger strike'until his release later this month to show how serious this should betaken. The situation has been escalating hour by hour. He is now beingmistreated by the guards and was forced to take off a sign he waswearing that said 'hunger strike.' He is also being coerced bydeputies to 'just go with the system' and eat the food that isprovided. He is being threatened and is worried he will be punished inunknown ways just for requesting a meal of vegetables and/or fruit.> > "Ira spoke to a chaplain at the jail, and they both feel like thisis an issue which needs to be made public and dealt with. Ira stated:'If I can just get the word out so that people will start calling thejail, there can be some changes made. I want people to know howlegitimate and sincere veganism and vegetarianism is and this is aserious human-rights issue, I'm not just trying to manipulate the system.'> > "Ira has also contacted other musicians, local media and PETAregarding this issue."> > For more information about Ira's arrest, search for his name on TheLos Angeles County Sheriff's Department Inmate Information Center.> >  > Peter vvWhat's wrong with letting him eat Veggies and Fruit? I know he's in jail and you don't get what you want there, you getwhat your given. However,if others are allowed to eat what they wantfor specific reasons then shouldn't Vegans and Vegetarians? Its not like its hard to provide a vegan meal of nothing but Fruitand Veggies. Man what's wrong with some people? That whole part about him being told to just go along with thesystem, seems all to familiar as a vegan to me. When will people learnthat we don't want to go along with animal abuse and Murder? Good luck to Ira stand up for your rights dude! Hmm, I wonder what his band mates think of think of this? I also wonder how many Vegans are in Jail around the World? > "Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"

[Guest guest]

i can just see that Norwegian Black Metal band, wearing their PETA t-shirts as they burn down a church.............

or Ozzy trying to explain "no man, the bat was made of tofu..."

heartwerk Jan 11, 2009 11:30 PM Re: Jailed LIZZY BORDEN Guitarist Claims Veganism Not Recognized By

 

 

 

Lots of metal band members are either vegan or veggie, so I suspect the rest of the band just support him in his choices.Jo , "rachelsgirl2009" <rachelsgirl2009 wrote:>> , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> >> > Current LIZZY BORDEN guitarist Ira Black, who has previously played> with METAL CHURCH, VICIOUS RUMORS and HEATHEN, has gone on a hunger> strike at the Los Angeles County Jail because he claims that veganism> is not being recognized by the facility as "valid and sincere."> > > > Ira was taken into custody the morning of January 3, 2009 on a> misdemeanor charge (he apparently had a warrant out for his arrest for> an unpaid fine) and is being held on $65,000 bail.> > > > Black's fiancée says that the guitarist "has been in the system for> over a week now and has had to survive on a miniscule diet. Ira has> been a vegan for 15 years and it seems none of the local correctional> facilities will accommodate any inmate with a vegetarian or vegan> diet. They will give inmates with medical problems or religious> beliefs a different meal, but there is no concern for the> vegetarians/vegans.> > > > "He feels very strongly about this and has gone on a 'hunger strike'> until his release later this month to show how serious this should be> taken. The situation has been escalating hour by hour. He is now being> mistreated by the guards and was forced to take off a sign he was> wearing that said 'hunger strike.' He is also being coerced by> deputies to 'just go with the system' and eat the food that is> provided. He is being threatened and is worried he will be punished in> unknown ways just for requesting a meal of vegetables and/or fruit.> > > > "Ira spoke to a chaplain at the jail, and they both feel like this> is an issue which needs to be made public and dealt with. Ira stated:> 'If I can just get the word out so that people will start calling the> jail, there can be some changes made. I want people to know how> legitimate and sincere veganism and vegetarianism is and this is a> serious human-rights issue, I'm not just trying to manipulate the system.'> > > > "Ira has also contacted other musicians, local media and PETA> regarding this issue."> > > > For more information about Ira's arrest, search for his name on The> Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Inmate Information Center.> > > >  > > Peter vv> > What's wrong with letting him eat Veggies and Fruit? > > I know he's in jail and you don't get what you want there, you get> what your given. However,if others are allowed to eat what they want> for specific reasons then shouldn't Vegans and Vegetarians? > > Its not like its hard to provide a vegan meal of nothing but Fruit> and Veggies. Man what's wrong with some people? > > That whole part about him being told to just go along with the> system, seems all to familiar as a vegan to me. When will people learn> that we don't want to go along with animal abuse and Murder? > Good luck to Ira stand up for your rights dude! > > Hmm, I wonder what his band mates think of think of this? > > I also wonder how many Vegans are in Jail around the World? > >>

 

 

 

 

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"

[Guest guest]



Some of Black Sabbath are veggie. One of my favourite Swedish/German metal bands are vegan.

 

Jo

 

 

 

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fraggle

Monday, January 12, 2009 5:47 PM

Re: Jailed LIZZY BORDEN Guitarist Claims Veganism Not Recognized By

 

 

 

i can just see that Norwegian Black Metal band, wearing their PETA t-shirts as they burn down a church.............

or Ozzy trying to explain "no man, the bat was made of tofu..."

heartwerk Jan 11, 2009 11:30 PM Re: Jailed LIZZY BORDEN Guitarist Claims Veganism Not Recognized By

 

 

 

Lots of metal band members are either vegan or veggie, so I suspect the rest of the band just support him in his choices.Jo , "rachelsgirl2009" <rachelsgirl2009 wrote:>> , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> >> > Current LIZZY BORDEN guitarist Ira Black, who has previously played> with METAL CHURCH, VICIOUS RUMORS and HEATHEN, has gone on a hunger> strike at the Los Angeles County Jail because he claims that veganism> is not being recognized by the facility as "valid and sincere."> > > > Ira was taken into custody the morning of January 3, 2009 on a> misdemeanor charge (he apparently had a warrant out for his arrest for> an unpaid fine) and is being held on $65,000 bail.> > > > Black's fiancée says that the guitarist "has been in the system for> over a week now and has had to survive on a miniscule diet. Ira has> been a vegan for 15 years and it seems none of the local correctional> facilities will accommodate any inmate with a vegetarian or vegan> diet. They will give inmates with medical problems or religious> beliefs a different meal, but there is no concern for the> vegetarians/vegans.> > > > "He feels very strongly about this and has gone on a 'hunger strike'> until his release later this month to show how serious this should be> taken. The situation has been escalating hour by hour. He is now being> mistreated by the guards and was forced to take off a sign he was> wearing that said 'hunger strike.' He is also being coerced by> deputies to 'just go with the system' and eat the food that is> provided. He is being threatened and is worried he will be punished in> unknown ways just for requesting a meal of vegetables and/or fruit.> > > > "Ira spoke to a chaplain at the jail, and they both feel like this> is an issue which needs to be made public and dealt with. Ira stated:> 'If I can just get the word out so that people will start calling the> jail, there can be some changes made. I want people to know how> legitimate and sincere veganism and vegetarianism is and this is a> serious human-rights issue, I'm not just trying to manipulate the system.'> > > > "Ira has also contacted other musicians, local media and PETA> regarding this issue."> > > > For more information about Ira's arrest, search for his name on The> Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Inmate Information Center.> > > >  > > Peter vv> > What's wrong with letting him eat Veggies and Fruit? > > I know he's in jail and you don't get what you want there, you get> what your given. However,if others are allowed to eat what they want> for specific reasons then shouldn't Vegans and Vegetarians? > > Its not like its hard to provide a vegan meal of nothing but Fruit> and Veggies. Man what's wrong with some people? > > That whole part about him being told to just go along with the> system, seems all to familiar as a vegan to me. When will people learn> that we don't want to go along with animal abuse and Murder? > Good luck to Ira stand up for your rights dude! > > Hmm, I wonder what his band mates think of think of this? > > I also wonder how many Vegans are in Jail around the World? > >>

"Will we ever get to the point that we realize that we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty just so we can have nice running shoes?"