PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

[Guest guest]

I find it strange that amongst people I know, PETA has had no effect on what they eat or wear. Jamie Oliver - an omnivore - has had more effect by highlighting abusive animal-rearing in a serious documentary. Most of the people at work who saw that programme either stopped eating eggs or swapped to eating free-range eggs.

 

There was no hint of sex or silliness in his campaign - but it had a measure of success.

 

Jo

 

 

 

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Blake Wilson

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:26 PM

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The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits. i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way. i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake

[Guest guest]

Ha ha - LOL :-)

 

You are so right Peter - the uncool trying to be cool.

 

Jo

 

 

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Peter Kebbell

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:32 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

Hi BlakeI think the problem with PETA is quite simply the fact that they're not actually that "attractive".... they're more like the really uncool kid trying desperately to be seen as cool... and inevitably just getting laughed at. Or, perhaps, more like the dirty old man trying to be sexy.Thing is, I don't want to be associated with the dirty old man of the animal rights movement!BBPeter

2009/2/3 Blake Wilson <mbw

The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits. i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way. i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake

[Guest guest]



Do you think they will succeed? Have you asked anyone whether they have heard of the video? If you have spoken to someone who has seen the video, or heard of it, did you ask them if they are going to become vegan? If you did, what was the answer?

 

I think it is too easy for us to say that this advert might work - but we should actually find out if it has had any effect on anyone we know.

 

Jo

 

 

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Peter VV

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:36 PM

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Thats very negative Peter?

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

Peter Kebbell <metalscarab > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 6:22:54 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

Maybe so... but that's why they'll never succeed!BBPeter

2009/2/3 fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

but, in PETA's view, they are selling something.

they are selling the idea of vegetarianism and veganism.

they are putting a product (veganism) out there and trying to higlight it and promote it the same way (or in a parody of the same way) as every other mainstream commerical idea in today's society.

get people's attention.

so, in their view, they are selling something.

Peter Kebbell Feb 3, 2009 9:13 AM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

Hi FraggleHmmmm - I just disagree with their concept there. Any publicity is good publicity when you're trying to sell a product. It's great to appear on loads of news stations to sell your latest bottle of coke, and even better if you don't have to say too much about the product itself....But animal rights is never going to spread that way. People aren't going to say "oh yeah, I've heard of PETA, I'm going to go veggie". PETA aren't selling a brand, they're spreading an ideal, and the only way to do that is to get the information out there so that people can make informed decisions. It's absolutely no use just getting the name of the brand on the news.BBPeter

2009/2/3 fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

 

well...

PETA 's modus operandi is to continually gain attention by appealing to the MTV generation.

any publicity is good publicity is thier belief...

 

heartwerk Feb 2, 2009 11:46 PM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I read about it last week. I find PETA to be a continual embarrassment to the animal rights movement - it puts many people off associating themselves with it.Jo@gro ups.com, "CKG" <cynthiaandtheothers

wrote:>> SORRY! I should have put a warning on this or something because the readers'> comments at the end are very off-color for those who do not like that sort> of thing. Cyn> > > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On> Behalf Of CKG> Monday, February 02, 2009 6:23 PM> @gro ups.com> PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on> msnbc.com> > > > Sheesh. Did anyone hear about this PETA ad that was turned down for the> Super (Stupor?) Bowl?? Cyn> > > > Latest post from Ads of the Weird: PETA pulls a lame stunt> (http://adblog. msnbc.msn. com/archive/ 2009/01/27/ 1763315.aspx)>

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]



The people I have spoken to about this are all generations from 17 upwards. They were the ones who have not heard of the video, and said that it would not encourage them to change their eating habits even if they had seen it.

 

Incidentally, I have friends (good friends) ranging from 22 to older than myself - most of them being under 40. So when I talk I am not just talking for about people of my generation.

 

Jo

 

 

 

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Peter VV

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:38 PM

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Thats just it Jo, they have no interest in your generation.No good preaching to the converted.........

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 5:32:12 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 They are wrong then - I would never support them now, and to the normal person they give animal rights activists a very bad name.

 

Jo

 

 

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fraggle

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:07 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

well...

PETA 's modus operandi is to continually gain attention by appealing to the MTV generation.

any publicity is good publicity is thier belief...

heartwerk Feb 2, 2009 11:46 PM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I read about it last week. I find PETA to be a continual embarrassment to the animal rights movement - it puts many people off associating themselves with it.Jo@gro ups.com, "CKG" <cynthiaandtheother s wrote:>> SORRY! I should have put a warning on this or something because the readers'> comments at the end are very off-color for those who do not like that sort> of thing. Cyn> > > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On> Behalf Of CKG> Monday, February 02, 2009 6:23 PM> @gro ups.com> PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on> msnbc.com> > > > Sheesh. Did anyone hear about this PETA ad that was turned down for the> Super (Stupor?) Bowl?? Cyn> > > > Latest post from Ads of the Weird: PETA pulls a lame stunt> (http://adblog. msnbc.msn. com/archive/ 2009/01/27/ 1763315.aspx)>"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]



LOL - would that be unusual (ducks and runs).

 

Jo

 

 

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Peter VV

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:45 PM

Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

"I'm beginning to think they're the covert wing of the meat marketing board."

very odd comment to make?

I must be on a tottaly different wavelength to everyone today?

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

Peter <metalscarab > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 8:29:39 AMRe: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

Hi Cyn

 

I dunno.... I thought the comments at the bottom showed a very clear intellectual divide between the meat eaters and the veggies.

 

Of course, you have to congratulate PETA for once again managing to distract everyone from the real issues of animal rights, and get them talking about something completely unrelated. I'm beginning to think they're the covert wing of the meat marketing board.

 

BB

Peter

 

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CKG

@gro ups.com

Monday, February 02, 2009 11:36 PM

FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

SORRY! I should have put a warning on this or something because the readers’ comments at the end are very off-color for those who do not like that sort of thing. Cyn

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [vegan_ chat@ .com] On Behalf Of CKGMonday, February 02, 2009 6:23 PM@gro ups.com PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

Sheesh. Did anyone hear about this PETA ad that was turned down for the Super (Stupor?) Bowl?? Cyn

 

Latest post from Ads of the Weird: PETA pulls a lame stunt (http://adblog. msnbc.msn. com/archive/ 2009/01/27/ 1763315.aspx)

[Guest guest]



but are they already vegan or animal rights activists. I know of no meat-eater that has anything but contempt for PETA. Most of the veggies/vegans I have asked think that they are an embarrassment.

 

Jo

 

 

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fraggle

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:09 PM

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actually, i'd have to disagree with that

PETA is immensely popular with a certain bracket..

i've known and talked with lotsa people who just go apesh*t over PETA, and everything out of their mouths is "PETA PETA PETA"....

Peter Kebbell Feb 3, 2009 10:32 AM Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

Hi BlakeI think the problem with PETA is quite simply the fact that they're not actually that "attractive".... they're more like the really uncool kid trying desperately to be seen as cool... and inevitably just getting laughed at. Or, perhaps, more like the dirty old man trying to be sexy.Thing is, I don't want to be associated with the dirty old man of the animal rights movement!BBPeter

2009/2/3 Blake Wilson <mbw

 

The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits. i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way. i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake

 

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]

well, there are about 6 of us in this convo, and half seem to begrungingly support PETA and thiscampaign. blake On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I find it strange that amongst people I know, PETA has had no effect on what they eat or wear. Jamie Oliver - an omnivore - has had more effect by highlighting abusive animal-rearing in a serious documentary. Most of the people at work who saw that programme either stopped eating eggs or swapped to eating free-range eggs.

 

There was no hint of sex or silliness in his campaign - but it had a measure of success.

 

Jo

 

 

 

-

 

Blake Wilson

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:26 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits. i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way. i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake

[Guest guest]

it was for the US market

during the Superbowl

which is almost a religious expereince here.

"jo.heartwork" Feb 3, 2009 11:42 AM Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 I have spoken to around 50 people here about the advert. None of them had heard of it until I mentioned it - therefore - they haven't really gained any free publicity here. When I spoke to them about it a lot of them said that if they see a headline mentioning veganism they don't bother to read it.

 

I think we should all try to be realistic!

 

Jo

 

 

 

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fraggle

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:24 PM

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bing

exactly...

besides, i really don't think PETA had much of a change airng anything dirung the superbowl

so instead of shelling out $3 million for a few seconds, they got a bunch of free publicity...

sure, most ppl go "stoopid PETA", but i bet someone watched it and went to the website and went "hmmmmm"

clawsywp Feb 3, 2009 9:57 AM Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I jsut watched the advert, made me LOL because its so over the top.I think they do a good job getting publicity, how else would anyone get even the slightest thought of vegetarianism into peoples heads during the superbowl? I think they have to do publicty stunts to get any mention of vegetarianism into the media at all.good for them obvoiusly they got almost free publicity out of this.plus they arent aiming the adverts at people who are already vegan, they are after the people who arent.I dont like everything Peta does but i think this advert is pretty funny, and also.....just remebered i have been having 'words' with nasty little vegan hating young men lately, their arguments against veganism are like, vegans are whimps etc.. i think this advert would really help deal with that veganism isnt macho bs stereotype.(not that macho stuff isnt a bad stereotype, but i dont thnk peta is after fixing the whole world, just trying to help animals)"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.

They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]

these people found vegetarianism and/or veganism thru PETA.

"jo.heartwork" Feb 3, 2009 11:57 AM Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 but are they already vegan or animal rights activists. I know of no meat-eater that has anything but contempt for PETA. Most of the veggies/vegans I have asked think that they are an embarrassment.

 

Jo

 

 

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fraggle

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:09 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

actually, i'd have to disagree with that

PETA is immensely popular with a certain bracket..

i've known and talked with lotsa people who just go apesh*t over PETA, and everything out of their mouths is "PETA PETA PETA"....

Peter Kebbell Feb 3, 2009 10:32 AM Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

Hi BlakeI think the problem with PETA is quite simply the fact that they're not actually that "attractive".... they're more like the really uncool kid trying desperately to be seen as cool... and inevitably just getting laughed at. Or, perhaps, more like the dirty old man trying to be sexy.Thing is, I don't want to be associated with the dirty old man of the animal rights movement!BBPeter

2009/2/3 Blake Wilson <mbw

 

The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits. i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way. i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.

They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jo, I knew I could rely on you.............

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:55:10 PMRe: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 LOL - would that be unusual (ducks and runs).

 

Jo

 

 

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Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:45 PM

Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

"I'm beginning to think they're the covert wing of the meat marketing board."

very odd comment to make?

I must be on a tottaly different wavelength to everyone today?

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 3 February, 2009 8:29:39 AMRe: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

Hi Cyn

 

I dunno.... I thought the comments at the bottom showed a very clear intellectual divide between the meat eaters and the veggies.

 

Of course, you have to congratulate PETA for once again managing to distract everyone from the real issues of animal rights, and get them talking about something completely unrelated. I'm beginning to think they're the covert wing of the meat marketing board.

 

BB

Peter

 

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CKG

@gro ups.com

Monday, February 02, 2009 11:36 PM

FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

SORRY! I should have put a warning on this or something because the readers’ comments at the end are very off-color for those who do not like that sort of thing. Cyn

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [vegan_ chat@ .com] On Behalf Of CKGMonday, February 02, 2009 6:23 PM@gro ups.com PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

Sheesh. Did anyone hear about this PETA ad that was turned down for the Super (Stupor?) Bowl?? Cyn

 

Latest post from Ads of the Weird: PETA pulls a lame stunt (http://adblog. msnbc.msn. com/archive/ 2009/01/27/ 1763315.aspx)

[Guest guest]

A spokesperson for all generations!............ Jo for prime minister?

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:52:49 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 The people I have spoken to about this are all generations from 17 upwards. They were the ones who have not heard of the video, and said that it would not encourage them to change their eating habits even if they had seen it.

 

Incidentally, I have friends (good friends) ranging from 22 to older than myself - most of them being under 40. So when I talk I am not just talking for about people of my generation.

 

Jo

 

 

 

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Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:38 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

Thats just it Jo, they have no interest in your generation.No good preaching to the converted... ......

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 3 February, 2009 5:32:12 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 They are wrong then - I would never support them now, and to the normal person they give animal rights activists a very bad name.

 

Jo

 

 

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fraggle

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:07 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

well...

PETA 's modus operandi is to continually gain attention by appealing to the MTV generation.

any publicity is good publicity is thier belief...

heartwerk Feb 2, 2009 11:46 PM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I read about it last week. I find PETA to be a continual embarrassment to the animal rights movement - it puts many people off associating themselves with it.Jo@gro ups.com, "CKG" <cynthiaandtheother s wrote:>> SORRY! I should have put a warning on this or something because the readers'> comments at the end are very off-color for those who do not like that sort> of thing. Cyn> > > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On>

Behalf Of CKG> Monday, February 02, 2009 6:23 PM> @gro ups.com> PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on> msnbc.com> > > > Sheesh. Did anyone hear about this PETA ad that was turned down for the> Super (Stupor?) Bowl?? Cyn> > > > Latest post from Ads of the Weird: PETA pulls a lame stunt> (http://adblog. msnbc.msn. com/archive/ 2009/01/27/ 1763315.aspx)>"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]

That is your view.

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:48:48 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 I know that is PETA's view. What I am saying is that PETA has got it all wrong.

 

Jo

 

 

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Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:37 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

I tottaly agree....... .

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comTuesday, 3 February, 2009 6:05:56 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

but, in PETA's view, they are selling something.

they are selling the idea of vegetarianism and veganism.

they are putting a product (veganism) out there and trying to higlight it and promote it the same way (or in a parody of the same way) as every other mainstream commerical idea in today's society.

get people's attention.

so, in their view, they are selling something.

Peter Kebbell Feb 3, 2009 9:13 AM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

Hi FraggleHmmmm - I just disagree with their concept there. Any publicity is good publicity when you're trying to sell a product. It's great to appear on loads of news stations to sell your latest bottle of coke, and even better if you don't have to say too much about the product itself....But animal rights is never going to spread that way. People aren't going to say "oh yeah, I've heard of PETA, I'm going to go veggie". PETA aren't selling a brand, they're spreading an ideal, and the only way to do that is to get the information out there so that people can make informed decisions. It's absolutely no use just getting the name of the brand on the news.BBPeter

2009/2/3 fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

 

well...

PETA 's modus operandi is to continually gain attention by appealing to the MTV generation.

any publicity is good publicity is thier belief...

 

heartwerk Feb 2, 2009 11:46 PM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I read about it last week. I find PETA to be a continual embarrassment to the animal rights movement - it puts many people off associating themselves with it.Jo@gro ups.com, "CKG" <cynthiaandtheothers

wrote:>> SORRY! I should have put a warning on this or something because the readers'> comments at the end are very off-color for those who do not like that sort> of thing. Cyn> > > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On> Behalf Of CKG> Monday, February 02, 2009 6:23 PM> @gro ups.com> PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on> msnbc.com> > > > Sheesh. Did anyone hear about this PETA ad that was turned down for the> Super (Stupor?) Bowl?? Cyn> > > > Latest post from Ads of the Weird: PETA pulls a lame stunt> (http://adblog. msnbc.msn. com/archive/ 2009/01/27/ 1763315.aspx)>

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]

Ok, jo, you're now running PETA. you have over 2 million members and a budget of over $30 million. you are the most widely known animal rights group in the world. your mission to to promote animal welfare worldwide by promoting the veg lifestyle. what are you gonna do?

blake On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

 

 

 



I know that is PETA's view. What I am saying is that PETA has got it all wrong.

 

Jo

 

[Guest guest]

Trouble with Jamie Olivers ever expanding empire campaign is that most of the people probably went back to eating battery eggs, same with Hugh Fernly dingly wingly whatsisnames campaign agains battery raised chickens, most people went back to buying the cheapest. The only winners out of both campaigns was the celebrity chefs bank balances.............

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:45:17 PMRe: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

I find it strange that amongst people I know, PETA has had no effect on what they eat or wear. Jamie Oliver - an omnivore - has had more effect by highlighting abusive animal-rearing in a serious documentary. Most of the people at work who saw that programme either stopped eating eggs or swapped to eating free-range eggs.

 

There was no hint of sex or silliness in his campaign - but it had a measure of success.

 

Jo

 

 

 

-

Blake Wilson

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:26 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits. i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way. i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake

[Guest guest]

all these " wack the animals on tv " " chefs " make me wanna reach for my revolver.....frag, get that one?blake On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trouble with Jamie Olivers ever expanding empire campaign is that most of the people probably went back to eating battery eggs, same with Hugh Fernly dingly wingly whatsisnames campaign agains battery raised chickens, most people went back to buying the cheapest. The only winners out of both campaigns was the celebrity chefs bank balances.............

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork

Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:45:17 PMRe: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I find it strange that amongst people I know, PETA has had no effect on what they eat or wear. Jamie Oliver - an omnivore - has had more effect by highlighting abusive animal-rearing in a serious documentary. Most of the people at work who saw that programme either stopped eating eggs or swapped to eating free-range eggs.

 

There was no hint of sex or silliness in his campaign - but it had a measure of success.

 

Jo

 

 

 

-

 

Blake Wilson

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:26 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits.

i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way.

i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake

[Guest guest]

all i know is i have a Mission of Burma song stuck in my head right now

Blake Wilson Feb 3, 2009 12:21 PM Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

all these "wack the animals on tvchefs" make me wanna reach for my revolver.....frag, get that one?blake

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trouble with Jamie Olivers ever expanding empire campaign is that most of the people probably went back to eating battery eggs, same with Hugh Fernly dingly wingly whatsisnames campaign agains battery raised chickens, most people went back to buying the cheapest. The only winners out of both campaigns was the celebrity chefs bank balances.............

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork >

Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:45:17 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I find it strange that amongst people I know, PETA has had no effect on what they eat or wear. Jamie Oliver - an omnivore - has had more effect by highlighting abusive animal-rearing in a serious documentary. Most of the people at work who saw that programme either stopped eating eggs or swapped to eating free-range eggs.

 

There was no hint of sex or silliness in his campaign - but it had a measure of success.

 

Jo

 

 

 

 

-

Blake Wilson

 

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:26 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits. i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way. i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.

They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]

Yet they seem so poular in the US? maybe a culture mindset thing? I am sure that they dont try to make us look like idiots, what would be the point?

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

Peter Kebbell <metalscarab Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 6:58:48 PMRe: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

Hi PeterSimply that if an organisation is determined to make vegetarians and vegans look like idiots, then they must have some ulterior motive.And whatever else you may think of PETA, they certainly are good at making vegetarians and vegans look like idiots!BBPeter

2009/2/3 Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com>

 

 

 

 

"I'm beginning to think they're the covert wing of the meat marketing board."

very odd comment to make?

I must be on a tottaly different wavelength to everyone today?

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 3 February, 2009 8:29:39 AMRe: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

Hi Cyn

 

I dunno.... I thought the comments at the bottom showed a very clear intellectual divide between the meat eaters and the veggies.

 

Of course, you have to congratulate PETA for once again managing to distract everyone from the real issues of animal rights, and get them talking about something completely unrelated. I'm beginning to think they're the covert wing of the meat marketing board.

 

BB

Peter

 

-

CKG

@gro ups.com

Monday, February 02, 2009 11:36 PM

FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

SORRY! I should have put a warning on this or something because the readers' comments at the end are very off-color for those who do not like that sort of thing. Cyn

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [vegan_ chat@ .com] On Behalf Of CKGMonday, February 02, 2009 6:23 PM@gro ups.com PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

Sheesh. Did anyone hear about this PETA ad that was turned down for the Super (Stupor?) Bowl?? Cyn

 

Latest post from Ads of the Weird: PETA pulls a lame stunt (http://adblog. msnbc.msn. com/archive/ 2009/01/27/ 1763315.aspx)

[Guest guest]

You two get a room..............

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

Blake Wilson <mbw Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 8:21:07 PMRe: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

all these "wack the animals on tvchefs" make me wanna reach for my revolver.... .frag, get that one?blake

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trouble with Jamie Olivers ever expanding empire campaign is that most of the people probably went back to eating battery eggs, same with Hugh Fernly dingly wingly whatsisnames campaign agains battery raised chickens, most people went back to buying the cheapest. The only winners out of both campaigns was the celebrity chefs bank balances.... .........

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.comTuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:45:17 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I find it strange that amongst people I know, PETA has had no effect on what they eat or wear. Jamie Oliver - an omnivore - has had more effect by highlighting abusive animal-rearing in a serious documentary. Most of the people at work who saw that programme either stopped eating eggs or swapped to eating free-range eggs.

 

There was no hint of sex or silliness in his campaign - but it had a measure of success.

 

Jo

 

 

 

 

-

Blake Wilson

 

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:26 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits. i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way. i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake

[Guest guest]

excellent. you pass! didn't moby do a cover of that? On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

all i know is i have a Mission of Burma song stuck in my head right now

Blake Wilson Feb 3, 2009 12:21 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

all these " wack the animals on tv " " chefs " make me wanna reach for my revolver.....frag, get that one?blake

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trouble with Jamie Olivers ever expanding empire campaign is that most of the people probably went back to eating battery eggs, same with Hugh Fernly dingly wingly whatsisnames campaign agains battery raised chickens, most people went back to buying the cheapest. The only winners out of both campaigns was the celebrity chefs bank balances.............

 

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork

Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:45:17 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

I find it strange that amongst people I know, PETA has had no effect on what they eat or wear. Jamie Oliver - an omnivore - has had more effect by highlighting abusive animal-rearing in a serious documentary. Most of the people at work who saw that programme either stopped eating eggs or swapped to eating free-range eggs.

 

There was no hint of sex or silliness in his campaign - but it had a measure of success.

 

Jo

 

 

 

 

-

Blake Wilson

 

 

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:26 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits.

i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way.

i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake

<

/DIV>

 

 

" Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.

They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. "

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]

i get to keep my membership then?

heh

and, have no idea...my moby stuff is more limited to his Vatican Commandos days...

 

Blake Wilson Feb 3, 2009 12:46 PM Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

excellent. you pass! didn't moby do a cover of that?

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

all i know is i have a Mission of Burma song stuck in my head right now

 

Blake Wilson

Feb 3, 2009 12:21 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

all these "wack the animals on tvchefs" make me wanna reach for my revolver.....frag, get that one?blake

 

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trouble with Jamie Olivers ever expanding empire campaign is that most of the people probably went back to eating battery eggs, same with Hugh Fernly dingly wingly whatsisnames campaign agains battery raised chickens, most people went back to buying the cheapest. The only winners out of both campaigns was the celebrity chefs bank balances.............

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork >

Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:45:17 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

I find it strange that amongst people I know, PETA has had no effect on what they eat or wear. Jamie Oliver - an omnivore - has had more effect by highlighting abusive animal-rearing in a serious documentary. Most of the people at work who saw that programme either stopped eating eggs or swapped to eating free-range eggs.

 

There was no hint of sex or silliness in his campaign - but it had a measure of success.

 

Jo

 

 

 

 

 

-

Blake Wilson

 

 

@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:26 PM

Re: Re: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

The biggest organization on the block is always going to have *more* than its fair share of detractors, problems, scandals, mis-fires, loose ends, and critics. Like 'em or not, PETA is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla of the veg scene, and they have their target audience for their philosophy: young people who aren't already set in their ways and habits. i'd guess that the ratio of over 35/under 35 folks who adopt veg lifestyles is very high, so instead of creating ads featuring ed mcmahon pushing boca burgers and depends, they use the imagery and iconography (sex, music, shock n awe) of the younger generation, in the hopes (i'm guessing) that these folks will not only become veg, but raise their kids that way. i thought the ad was shockingly effective in the way it smuggled veg into the mainstream during the biggest advertising day in the country and one of the biggest burgz n dogz days as well. go PETA! blake < /DIV>

 

 

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

 

 

 

 

 

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.

They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]



It certainly is.

 

Jo

 

 

-

Peter VV

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:11 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

That is your view.

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:48:48 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 I know that is PETA's view. What I am saying is that PETA has got it all wrong.

 

Jo

 

 

-

Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:37 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

I tottaly agree....... .

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comTuesday, 3 February, 2009 6:05:56 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

but, in PETA's view, they are selling something.

they are selling the idea of vegetarianism and veganism.

they are putting a product (veganism) out there and trying to higlight it and promote it the same way (or in a parody of the same way) as every other mainstream commerical idea in today's society.

get people's attention.

so, in their view, they are selling something.

Peter Kebbell Feb 3, 2009 9:13 AM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

Hi FraggleHmmmm - I just disagree with their concept there. Any publicity is good publicity when you're trying to sell a product. It's great to appear on loads of news stations to sell your latest bottle of coke, and even better if you don't have to say too much about the product itself....But animal rights is never going to spread that way. People aren't going to say "oh yeah, I've heard of PETA, I'm going to go veggie". PETA aren't selling a brand, they're spreading an ideal, and the only way to do that is to get the information out there so that people can make informed decisions. It's absolutely no use just getting the name of the brand on the news.BBPeter

2009/2/3 fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

 

well...

PETA 's modus operandi is to continually gain attention by appealing to the MTV generation.

any publicity is good publicity is thier belief...

 

heartwerk Feb 2, 2009 11:46 PM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I read about it last week. I find PETA to be a continual embarrassment to the animal rights movement - it puts many people off associating themselves with it.Jo@gro ups.com, "CKG" <cynthiaandtheothers

wrote:>> SORRY! I should have put a warning on this or something because the readers'> comments at the end are very off-color for those who do not like that sort> of thing. Cyn> > > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On> Behalf Of CKG> Monday, February 02, 2009 6:23 PM> @gro ups.com> PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on> msnbc.com> > > > Sheesh. Did anyone hear about this PETA ad that was turned down for the> Super (Stupor?) Bowl?? Cyn> > > > Latest post from Ads of the Weird: PETA pulls a lame stunt> (http://adblog. msnbc.msn. com/archive/ 2009/01/27/ 1763315.aspx)>

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]



A spokeswoman, on this group, for those I have spoken to about this subject, who happen to span many generations. Nothing pretentious about that Peter.

 

Jo

 

 

-

Peter VV

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:10 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

A spokesperson for all generations!............ Jo for prime minister?

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:52:49 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 The people I have spoken to about this are all generations from 17 upwards. They were the ones who have not heard of the video, and said that it would not encourage them to change their eating habits even if they had seen it.

 

Incidentally, I have friends (good friends) ranging from 22 to older than myself - most of them being under 40. So when I talk I am not just talking for about people of my generation.

 

Jo

 

 

 

-

Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:38 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

Thats just it Jo, they have no interest in your generation.No good preaching to the converted... ......

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 3 February, 2009 5:32:12 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 They are wrong then - I would never support them now, and to the normal person they give animal rights activists a very bad name.

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:07 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

well...

PETA 's modus operandi is to continually gain attention by appealing to the MTV generation.

any publicity is good publicity is thier belief...

heartwerk Feb 2, 2009 11:46 PM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I read about it last week. I find PETA to be a continual embarrassment to the animal rights movement - it puts many people off associating themselves with it.Jo@gro ups.com, "CKG" <cynthiaandtheother s wrote:>> SORRY! I should have put a warning on this or something because the readers'> comments at the end are very off-color for those who do not like that sort> of thing. Cyn> > > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On> Behalf Of CKG> Monday, February 02, 2009 6:23 PM> @gro ups.com> PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on> msnbc.com> > > > Sheesh. Did anyone hear about this PETA ad that was turned down for the> Super (Stupor?) Bowl?? Cyn> > > > Latest post from Ads of the Weird: PETA pulls a lame stunt> (http://adblog. msnbc.msn. com/archive/ 2009/01/27/ 1763315.aspx)>"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

[Guest guest]



Not my problem because it is not a situation I would put myself in - but - that doesn't mean that I cannot comment on it, does it Blake?

 

Jo

 

 

-

Blake Wilson

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:15 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

Ok, jo, you're now running PETA. you have over 2 million members and a budget of over $30 million. you are the most widely known animal rights group in the world. your mission to to promote animal welfare worldwide by promoting the veg lifestyle. what are you gonna do?blake

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork > wrote:

 

 

 

 



I know that is PETA's view. What I am saying is that PETA has got it all wrong.

 

Jo

 

[Guest guest]



I think the point would be not which one gets most coverage, but which one converts the most people.

 

Jo

 

 

-

Peter VV

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:15 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

Very defensive again Jo? I was addressing Peter, just making an observation?

Incidentally I do agree with finding out whether it did have any effect, likewise with any AR or other vegan organisations and their campaigns, would be good to see which gets the most coverage.

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 7:48:07 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 Do you think they will succeed? Have you asked anyone whether they have heard of the video? If you have spoken to someone who has seen the video, or heard of it, did you ask them if they are going to become vegan? If you did, what was the answer?

 

I think it is too easy for us to say that this advert might work - but we should actually find out if it has had any effect on anyone we know.

 

Jo

 

 

-

Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:36 PM

Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

 

 

Thats very negative Peter?

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 3 February, 2009 6:22:54 PMRe: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

Maybe so... but that's why they'll never succeed!BBPeter

2009/2/3 fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

 

but, in PETA's view, they are selling something.

they are selling the idea of vegetarianism and veganism.

they are putting a product (veganism) out there and trying to higlight it and promote it the same way (or in a parody of the same way) as every other mainstream commerical idea in today's society.

get people's attention.

so, in their view, they are selling something.

Peter Kebbell Feb 3, 2009 9:13 AM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

Hi FraggleHmmmm - I just disagree with their concept there. Any publicity is good publicity when you're trying to sell a product. It's great to appear on loads of news stations to sell your latest bottle of coke, and even better if you don't have to say too much about the product itself....But animal rights is never going to spread that way. People aren't going to say "oh yeah, I've heard of PETA, I'm going to go veggie". PETA aren't selling a brand, they're spreading an ideal, and the only way to do that is to get the information out there so that people can make informed decisions. It's absolutely no use just getting the name of the brand on the news.BBPeter

2009/2/3 fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>

 

 

well...

PETA 's modus operandi is to continually gain attention by appealing to the MTV generation.

any publicity is good publicity is thier belief...

 

heartwerk Feb 2, 2009 11:46 PM @gro ups.com Re: FW: PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on msnbc.com

 

 

 

I read about it last week. I find PETA to be a continual embarrassment to the animal rights movement - it puts many people off associating themselves with it.Jo@gro ups.com, "CKG" <cynthiaandtheothers

wrote:>> SORRY! I should have put a warning on this or something because the readers'> comments at the end are very off-color for those who do not like that sort> of thing. Cyn> > > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On> Behalf Of CKG> Monday, February 02, 2009 6:23 PM> @gro ups.com> PETA pulls a lame stunt - Ads of the Weird on> msnbc.com> > > > Sheesh. Did anyone hear about this PETA ad that was turned down for the> Super (Stupor?) Bowl?? Cyn> > > > Latest post from Ads of the Weird: PETA pulls a lame stunt> (http://adblog. msnbc.msn. com/archive/ 2009/01/27/ 1763315.aspx)>

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

--George W. Bush

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Of course, Jo. Here's what you said: " What I am saying is that PETA has got it all wrong. " So what, in your opinion, is the " right " way to utilize PETA's resources? WWJD?Blake On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:16 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

 

 

 

 



Not my problem because it is not a situation I would put myself in - but - that doesn't mean that I cannot comment on it, does it Blake?

 

Jo