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Hi all

Have noticed that here in the UK, more and more of the supermarkets

are selling their own brands of soya milk now, a bit more cheaply than

'alpro', which I almost always buy.

A friend recently mentioned to me that the production of soya beans

for milk is causing more rapid stripping of rain forests. I wonder if

this is a direct effect of multiple companies now involved in production.

Alpro state on their packaging that they don't buy soya harvested in

the rain forest.

 

Whereas its a brilliant thing that soya milk has become so popular (to

take the pressure off the dairy industry and ultimately, hopefullly,

the cows) it would be awful to think that mass production of soya

could lead to less careful consideration... and a charge against

vegans (although its not just us of course that drink soya milk) for

being ungreen.

 

Curious to know other people's thoughts and/or if you've any information,

thanks

Bea

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Hi Bea

 

We use Alpro. I'm not so keen on the own brands I have tasted, and

some of them don't have the added B12 and calcium either.

 

I did wonder about the soya problem when I first heard it, but I think

that a big proportion of soya products are used for

non-vegan/vegetarian foodstuffs. I could be wrong, but I think I

heard that most of it was used to feed cows! Hopefully they will stop

using the rainforests for it soon.

 

Jo

 

 

, " beamehta " <beamehta wrote:

>

> Hi all

> Have noticed that here in the UK, more and more of the supermarkets

> are selling their own brands of soya milk now, a bit more cheaply than

> 'alpro', which I almost always buy.

> A friend recently mentioned to me that the production of soya beans

> for milk is causing more rapid stripping of rain forests. I wonder if

> this is a direct effect of multiple companies now involved in

production.

> Alpro state on their packaging that they don't buy soya harvested in

> the rain forest.

>

> Whereas its a brilliant thing that soya milk has become so popular (to

> take the pressure off the dairy industry and ultimately, hopefullly,

> the cows) it would be awful to think that mass production of soya

> could lead to less careful consideration... and a charge against

> vegans (although its not just us of course that drink soya milk) for

> being ungreen.

>

> Curious to know other people's thoughts and/or if you've any

information,

> thanks

> Bea

>

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I have also heard that the majority of the soy grown in the world is used for animal feed in factory farming and not for soy milk.Jennifer--- On Tue, 2/24/09, heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:heartwerk <jo.heartwork Re: soya milk Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 2:00 PM

 

 

 

Hi Bea

 

We use Alpro. I'm not so keen on the own brands I have tasted, and

some of them don't have the added B12 and calcium either.

 

I did wonder about the soya problem when I first heard it, but I think

that a big proportion of soya products are used for

non-vegan/vegetaria n foodstuffs. I could be wrong, but I think I

heard that most of it was used to feed cows! Hopefully they will stop

using the rainforests for it soon.

 

Jo

 

@gro ups.com, "beamehta" <beamehta@.. .> wrote:

>

> Hi all

> Have noticed that here in the UK, more and more of the supermarkets

> are selling their own brands of soya milk now, a bit more cheaply than

> 'alpro', which I almost always buy.

> A friend recently mentioned to me that the production of soya beans

> for milk is causing more rapid stripping of rain forests. I wonder if

> this is a direct effect of multiple companies now involved in

production.

> Alpro state on their packaging that they don't buy soya harvested in

> the rain forest.

>

> Whereas its a brilliant thing that soya milk has become so popular (to

> take the pressure off the dairy industry and ultimately, hopefullly,

> the cows) it would be awful to think that mass production of soya

> could lead to less careful consideration. .. and a charge against

> vegans (although its not just us of course that drink soya milk) for

> being ungreen.

>

> Curious to know other people's thoughts and/or if you've any

information,

> thanks

> Bea

>

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Hi Bea,

It's absolutely true, the demand for soy is destroying the rainforest;

there are also human rights issues involved as indigenous people are

forced off their land to make way for soy plantation which themselves

have a terrible environmental and social impact for many reasons (which

will take me forever to explain)! But this all has little to do with

soy milk. It's a well kept secret that 90% of soy is actually fed to

animals in Europe (that's over 200 million tonnes per year). The

livestock industry is responsible for fuelling soy agriculture and all

the devastation it causes, plus it supports the development of

genetically modified crops since most soy and corn fed to animals is

GM. In UK of course, people refuse to eat GM foods, but the fact is

that anyone who eats meat or dairy is doing so without even knowing

since animal feeds are often GM and this does not need to be labelled.

 

I don't think it's a good thing to eat a lot of soy, but at least Alpro

is non-GM and bought directly from farmers, whereas if you eat meat,

you're mostly likely supporting the massive plantations owned by

unscrupulous multi-national companies like Cargill. Another point

worth adding is that it takes around 10kg of grain to produce 1kg of

beef, so it's always more sustainable to eat foods like soy directly

rather than indirectly by eating meat and dairy.

 

If you want any more info please do let me know, I research and write

about all this stuff all the time!

 

Thanks,

Sophie

 

www.foodforchange.org.uk

 

beamehta wrote:

 

 

Hi all

Have noticed that here in the UK, more and more of the supermarkets

are selling their own brands of soya milk now, a bit more cheaply than

'alpro', which I almost always buy.

A friend recently mentioned to me that the production of soya beans

for milk is causing more rapid stripping of rain forests. I wonder if

this is a direct effect of multiple companies now involved in

production.

Alpro state on their packaging that they don't buy soya harvested in

the rain forest.

 

Whereas its a brilliant thing that soya milk has become so popular (to

take the pressure off the dairy industry and ultimately, hopefullly,

the cows) it would be awful to think that mass production of soya

could lead to less careful consideration... and a charge against

vegans (although its not just us of course that drink soya milk) for

being ungreen.

 

Curious to know other people's thoughts and/or if you've any

information,

thanks

Bea

 

 

 

 

 

--

 

Sophie

Pritchard

Food

for Change / www.foodforchange.org.uk

Sustainable,

ethical and environmentally responsible food.

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Hi Jennifer

 

I am glad you can confirm that. I thought that was what I had heard.

 

Jo

 

, Jennifer Parrucci <poegurl22

wrote:

>

> I have also heard that the majority of the soy grown in the world

is used for animal feed in factory farming and not for soy milk.

>

> Jennifer

>

> --- On Tue, 2/24/09, heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork

> Re: soya milk

>

> Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 2:00 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Hi Bea

>

>

>

> We use Alpro. I'm not so keen on the own brands I have tasted, and

>

> some of them don't have the added B12 and calcium either.

>

>

>

> I did wonder about the soya problem when I first heard it, but I

think

>

> that a big proportion of soya products are used for

>

> non-vegan/vegetaria n foodstuffs. I could be wrong, but I think I

>

> heard that most of it was used to feed cows! Hopefully they will

stop

>

> using the rainforests for it soon.

>

>

>

> Jo

>

>

>

> @gro ups.com, " beamehta " <beamehta@ .> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Hi all

>

> > Have noticed that here in the UK, more and more of the

supermarkets

>

> > are selling their own brands of soya milk now, a bit more cheaply

than

>

> > 'alpro', which I almost always buy.

>

> > A friend recently mentioned to me that the production of soya

beans

>

> > for milk is causing more rapid stripping of rain forests. I

wonder if

>

> > this is a direct effect of multiple companies now involved in

>

> production.

>

> > Alpro state on their packaging that they don't buy soya harvested

in

>

> > the rain forest.

>

> >

>

> > Whereas its a brilliant thing that soya milk has become so

popular (to

>

> > take the pressure off the dairy industry and ultimately,

hopefullly,

>

> > the cows) it would be awful to think that mass production of soya

>

> > could lead to less careful consideration. .. and a charge against

>

> > vegans (although its not just us of course that drink soya milk)

for

>

> > being ungreen.

>

> >

>

> > Curious to know other people's thoughts and/or if you've any

>

> information,

>

> > thanks

>

> > Bea

>

> >

>

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We had quite a big campaign in the UK against GM products, and when

activists found out where the crops were growing, they destroyed

them. This happened on several occasions. We signed petitions,

wrote letters, and went to meetings about it. Thankfully we won the

point, but we still have to be vigilant, otherwise it will sneak in

the back door.

 

It is really bad about the rainforests being used so badly, and the

local people.

 

Jo

 

Re: soya milk

 

 

Hi Bea,

It's absolutely true, the demand for soy is destroying the

rainforest; there are also human rights issues involved as indigenous

people are forced off their land to make way for soy plantation which

themselves have a terrible environmental and social impact for many

reasons (which will take me forever to explain)! But this all has

little to do with soy milk. It's a well kept secret that 90% of soy

is actually fed to animals in Europe (that's over 200 million tonnes

per year). The livestock industry is responsible for fuelling soy

agriculture and all the devastation it causes, plus it supports the

development of genetically modified crops since most soy and corn fed

to animals is GM. In UK of course, people refuse to eat GM foods, but

the fact is that anyone who eats meat or dairy is doing so without

even knowing since animal feeds are often GM and this does not need

to be labelled.

 

I don't think it's a good thing to eat a lot of soy, but at least

Alpro is non-GM and bought directly from farmers, whereas if you eat

meat, you're mostly likely supporting the massive plantations owned

by unscrupulous multi-national companies like Cargill. Another point

worth adding is that it takes around 10kg of grain to produce 1kg of

beef, so it's always more sustainable to eat foods like soy directly

rather than indirectly by eating meat and dairy.

 

If you want any more info please do let me know, I research and write

about all this stuff all the time!

 

Thanks,

Sophie

 

www.foodforchange.org.uk

 

beamehta wrote:

Hi all

Have noticed that here in the UK, more and more of the supermarkets

are selling their own brands of soya milk now, a bit more cheaply than

'alpro', which I almost always buy.

A friend recently mentioned to me that the production of soya beans

for milk is causing more rapid stripping of rain forests. I wonder if

this is a direct effect of multiple companies now involved in

production.

Alpro state on their packaging that they don't buy soya harvested in

the rain forest.

 

Whereas its a brilliant thing that soya milk has become so popular (to

take the pressure off the dairy industry and ultimately, hopefullly,

the cows) it would be awful to think that mass production of soya

could lead to less careful consideration... and a charge against

vegans (although its not just us of course that drink soya milk) for

being ungreen.

 

Curious to know other people's thoughts and/or if you've any

information,

thanks

Bea

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Thanks Sophie, this has been really informative. And it was really good to read everyone's thoughts. I hadn't realised that it was soy specifically that is grown for animal consumption. The scale of it is so problematic. I am going to stick to 'alpro soya' as a brand as feel quite assured by it's environmental conscience.thanks again. I'm going to look up your website link.best wishesBea"Sophie @ Food for Change"

<sophie Sent: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 19:39:43Re: soya milk

 

 

Hi Bea,

It's absolutely true, the demand for soy is destroying the rainforest;

there are also human rights issues involved as indigenous people are

forced off their land to make way for soy plantation which themselves

have a terrible environmental and social impact for many reasons (which

will take me forever to explain)! But this all has little to do with

soy milk. It's a well kept secret that 90% of soy is actually fed to

animals in Europe (that's over 200 million tonnes per year). The

livestock industry is responsible for fuelling soy agriculture and all

the devastation it causes, plus it supports the development of

genetically modified crops since most soy and corn fed to animals is

GM. In UK of course, people refuse to eat GM foods, but the fact is

that anyone who eats meat or dairy is doing so without even knowing

since animal feeds are often GM and this does not need to be labelled.

 

I don't think it's a good thing to eat a lot of soy, but at least Alpro

is non-GM and bought directly from farmers, whereas if you eat meat,

you're mostly likely supporting the massive plantations owned by

unscrupulous multi-national companies like Cargill. Another point

worth adding is that it takes around 10kg of grain to produce 1kg of

beef, so it's always more sustainable to eat foods like soy directly

rather than indirectly by eating meat and dairy.

 

If you want any more info please do let me know, I research and write

about all this stuff all the time!

 

Thanks,

Sophie

 

www.foodforchange. org.uk

 

beamehta wrote:

 

 

Hi all

Have noticed that here in the UK, more and more of the supermarkets

are selling their own brands of soya milk now, a bit more cheaply than

'alpro', which I almost always buy.

A friend recently mentioned to me that the production of soya beans

for milk is causing more rapid stripping of rain forests. I wonder if

this is a direct effect of multiple companies now involved in

production.

Alpro state on their packaging that they don't buy soya harvested in

the rain forest.

 

Whereas its a brilliant thing that soya milk has become so popular (to

take the pressure off the dairy industry and ultimately, hopefullly,

the cows) it would be awful to think that mass production of soya

could lead to less careful consideration. .. and a charge against

vegans (although its not just us of course that drink soya milk) for

being ungreen.

 

Curious to know other people's thoughts and/or if you've any

information,

thanks

Bea

 

 

 

 

 

--

 

Sophie

Pritchard

Food

for Change / www.foodforchange. org.uk

Sustainable,

ethical and environmentally responsible food.

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