Vegetarians get fewer cancers (presumably vegans are included in vegetarians in this study)

March 16, 2009

Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'

Almost a third of adults in the study were vegetarian

A vegetarian diet may help to protect against cancer, a UK study suggests. Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that those who did not eat meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than those who did. But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate of colorectal cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among the vegetarians. Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the team said the findings were worth looking into.

Although it is widely recommended that people eat five portions of fruit and vegetables a day to reduce their risk of cancer and other diseases, there is very little evidence looking specifically at a vegetarian diet.

It suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that

Professor Tim Key, study leader

In the latest study, researchers looked at men and women aged 20 to 89 recruited in the UK in the 1990s. They divided participants into meat-eaters, fish-eaters, vegetarians and vegans. During follow-up there were fewer cancers than would be expected in the general population - probably because they were a healthier than average group of people. But there was a significantly lower incidence of all cancers among the fish-eaters and vegetarians compared with the meat eaters. 'Confusion' For colorectal cancer, however that trend was reversed with vegetarians having a significantly higher incidence of the condition than the other groups. The researchers were surprised at the finding, which contradicts previous evidence linking eating lots of red meat with the disease. Study leader Professor Tim Key, a Cancer Research UK epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said no previous study had looked at diet in this way and there had been a lot of confusion about the issue. "It's interesting - it suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that." He added: "It doesn't support the idea that vegetarians would have lower rates of colorectal cancer and I think it means we need to think more carefully about how meat fits into it." More work is needed to unpick the links between diet and cancer but such studies are incredibly hard to do, he said. Dr Joanne Lunn, a senior nutrition scientist at the British Nutrition Foundation, said the findings highlight the fact that cancer is a complex disease and many different lifestyle factors play a part in determining a person's risk. "An interesting observation was that the vegetarians had a higher rate of colorectal cancer than the meat-eaters. "When you look at the detail of their diets, the meat-eaters, to which the vegetarians in this group were compared, are eating only moderate amounts of meat each day - well within the recommendations. "Both groups are also just about meeting the recommendation to eat at least 5 portions of fruits and vegetables a day."

March 16, 2009

Technically, I think we could argue that vegetarians who consume milk and eggs

are really a subclass of omnivore. Just like pescatarians,etc.

My fiancee is participating in a health program at her workplace where our vegan

lifestyle says that we are haelthier than anyone!

According to this

http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/

Very interesting to know...

Bill-in Utah

, " jo.heartwork " <jo.heartwork wrote:

>

> Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'

>

March 17, 2009

My guess is that those vegetarians replace all meat with egg and dairy. :-/On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork wrote:

Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'

Almost a third of adults in the study were vegetarian

A vegetarian diet may help to protect against cancer, a UK study suggests. Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that those who did not eat meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than those who did. But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate of colorectal cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among the vegetarians. Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the team said the findings were worth looking into. Although it is widely recommended that people eat five portions of fruit and vegetables a day to reduce their risk of cancer and other diseases, there is very little evidence looking specifically at a vegetarian diet.

It suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that

Professor Tim Key, study leader

In the latest study, researchers looked at men and women aged 20 to 89 recruited in the UK in the 1990s. They divided participants into meat-eaters, fish-eaters, vegetarians and vegans. During follow-up there were fewer cancers than would be expected in the general population - probably because they were a healthier than average group of people. But there was a significantly lower incidence of all cancers among the fish-eaters and vegetarians compared with the meat eaters. 'Confusion' For colorectal cancer, however that trend was reversed with vegetarians having a significantly higher incidence of the condition than the other groups. The researchers were surprised at the finding, which contradicts previous evidence linking eating lots of red meat with the disease. Study leader Professor Tim Key, a Cancer Research UK epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said no previous study had looked at diet in this way and there had been a lot of confusion about the issue. " It's interesting - it suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that. " He added: " It doesn't support the idea that vegetarians would have lower rates of colorectal cancer and I think it means we need to think more carefully about how meat fits into it. " More work is needed to unpick the links between diet and cancer but such studies are incredibly hard to do, he said. Dr Joanne Lunn, a senior nutrition scientist at the British Nutrition Foundation, said the findings highlight the fact that cancer is a complex disease and many different lifestyle factors play a part in determining a person's risk. " An interesting observation was that the vegetarians had a higher rate of colorectal cancer than the meat-eaters. " When you look at the detail of their diets, the meat-eaters, to which the vegetarians in this group were compared, are eating only moderate amounts of meat each day - well within the recommendations. " Both groups are also just about meeting the recommendation to eat at least 5 portions of fruits and vegetables a day. "

-- AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com~Boston_Gothic

Boston_MysticBoston-Pagans

March 17, 2009

I agree, in most shops /restaurants that offer little vegetarian

options what they do have is overly rich, slathered in cheese etc. A

continual diet of just that and i wouldn't like to think the

after-effects.

On 16/03/2009 23:03, Blue Rose wrote:

My guess is that those vegetarians replace all meat with egg and

dairy. :-/

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM,

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork >

wrote:

Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'

Almost a third of adults in the study were

vegetarian

A vegetarian diet may help to protect against cancer, a

UK study suggests.

Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that

those who did not eat meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than

those who did.

But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate

of colorectal cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among

the vegetarians.

Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the

team said the findings were worth looking into.

Although it is widely recommended that people eat five

portions of fruit and vegetables a day to reduce their risk of cancer

and other diseases, there is very little evidence looking specifically

at a vegetarian diet.

It suggests there might be some

reduction in cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look

carefully at that

Professor Tim Key, study leader

In the latest study, researchers looked at men and women

aged 20 to 89 recruited in the UK in the 1990s.

They divided participants into meat-eaters, fish-eaters,

vegetarians and vegans.

During follow-up there were fewer cancers than would be

expected in the general population - probably because they were a

healthier than average group of people.

But there was a significantly lower incidence of all

cancers among the fish-eaters and vegetarians compared with the meat

eaters.

'Confusion'

For colorectal cancer, however that trend was reversed

with vegetarians having a significantly higher incidence of the

condition than the other groups.

The researchers were surprised at the finding, which

contradicts previous evidence linking eating lots of red meat with the

disease.

Study leader Professor Tim Key, a Cancer Research UK

epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said no previous study had

looked at diet in this way and there had been a lot of confusion about

the issue.

"It's interesting - it suggests there might be some

reduction in cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look

carefully at that."

He added: "It doesn't support the idea that vegetarians

would have lower rates of colorectal cancer and I think it means we

need to think more carefully about how meat fits into it."

More work is needed to unpick the links between diet and

cancer but such studies are incredibly hard to do, he said.

Dr Joanne Lunn, a senior nutrition scientist at the

British Nutrition Foundation, said the findings highlight the fact that

cancer is a complex disease and many different lifestyle factors play a

part in determining a person's risk.

"An interesting observation was that the vegetarians had a

higher rate of colorectal cancer than the meat-eaters.

"When you look at the detail of their diets, the

meat-eaters, to which the vegetarians in this group were compared, are

eating only moderate amounts of meat each day - well within the

recommendations.

"Both groups are also just about meeting the

recommendation to eat at least 5 portions of fruits and vegetables a

day."

--

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http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com

~

Boston_Gothic

Boston_Mystic

Boston-Pagans

March 17, 2009

I agree. That would be more likely to cause colon cancer than vegetables! I

heard a work colleague talking about an item on the news that linked eggs with

colon cancer - so that would fit with this report.

Jo

, Blue Rose <bluerose156 wrote:

>

> My guess is that those vegetarians replace all meat with egg and dairy. :-/

>

> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartworkwrote:

>

> > Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'

> > [image: Vegetables] Almost a third of adults in the study were

> > vegetarian

> >

> > *A vegetarian diet may help to protect against cancer, a UK study

> > suggests.*

> >

> > Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that those who did not eat

> > meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than those who did.

> >

> > But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate of colorectal

> > cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among the vegetarians.

> >

> > Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the team said the

> > findings were worth looking into.

> >

> > Although it is widely recommended that people eat five portions of fruit

> > and vegetables a day to reduce their risk of cancer and other diseases,

> > there is very little evidence looking specifically at a vegetarian diet.

> >

> > *It suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in vegetarians

> > and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that*

> > Professor Tim Key, study leader

> >

> > In the latest study, researchers looked at men and women aged 20 to 89

> > recruited in the UK in the 1990s.

> >

> > They divided participants into meat-eaters, fish-eaters, vegetarians and

> > vegans.

> >

> > During follow-up there were fewer cancers than would be expected in the

> > general population - probably because they were a healthier than average

> > group of people.

> >

> > But there was a significantly lower incidence of all cancers among the

> > fish-eaters and vegetarians compared with the meat eaters.

> >

> > *'Confusion'*

> >

> > For colorectal cancer, however that trend was reversed with vegetarians

> > having a significantly higher incidence of the condition than the other

> > groups.

> >

> > The researchers were surprised at the finding, which contradicts previous

> > evidence linking eating lots of red meat with the disease.

> >

> > Study leader Professor Tim Key, a Cancer Research UK epidemiologist at the

> > University of Oxford, said no previous study had looked at diet in this way

> > and there had been a lot of confusion about the issue.

> >

> > " It's interesting - it suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in

> > vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that. "

> >

> > He added: " It doesn't support the idea that vegetarians would have lower

> > rates of colorectal cancer and I think it means we need to think more

> > carefully about how meat fits into it. "

> >

> > More work is needed to unpick the links between diet and cancer but such

> > studies are incredibly hard to do, he said.

> >

> > Dr Joanne Lunn, a senior nutrition scientist at the British Nutrition

> > Foundation, said the findings highlight the fact that cancer is a complex

> > disease and many different lifestyle factors play a part in determining a

> > person's risk.

> >

> > " An interesting observation was that the vegetarians had a higher rate of

> > colorectal cancer than the meat-eaters.

> >

> > " When you look at the detail of their diets, the meat-eaters, to which the

> > vegetarians in this group were compared, are eating only moderate amounts of

> > meat each day - well within the recommendations.

> >

> > " Both groups are also just about meeting the recommendation to eat at least

> > 5 portions of fruits and vegetables a day. "

> >

>

> --

> AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156

> http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com

> ~

> Boston_Gothic

> Boston_Mystic

> Boston-Pagans

>

March 17, 2009

I always think it a shame that the vegetarian options are full of cheese. It

immediately makes it difficult for vegans and dairy-intolerant people. If only

they would serve a couple of vegan options then vegetarians and dairy-intolerant

could eat them as well.

Jo

, Alicia Armstrong <alicia.armstrong88

wrote:

>

> I agree, in most shops /restaurants that offer little vegetarian options

> what they do have is overly rich, slathered in cheese etc. A continual

> diet of just that and i wouldn't like to think the after-effects.

>

> On 16/03/2009 23:03, Blue Rose wrote:

> >

> > My guess is that those vegetarians replace all meat with egg and

> > dairy. :-/

> >

> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork

> > <jo.heartwork> wrote:

> >

> > Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'

> >

> > Vegetables

> > Almost a third of adults in the study were vegetarian

> >

> > *A vegetarian diet may help to protect against cancer, a UK study

> > suggests.*

> >

> > Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that those who

> > did not eat meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than

> > those who did.

> >

> > But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate of

> > colorectal cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among

> > the vegetarians.

> >

> > Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the team

> > said the findings were worth looking into.

> >

> > Although it is widely recommended that people eat five portions of

> > fruit and vegetables a day to reduce their risk of cancer and

> > other diseases, there is very little evidence looking specifically

> > at a vegetarian diet.

> >

> > *It suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in

> > vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that*

> > Professor Tim Key, study leader

> >

> > In the latest study, researchers looked at men and women aged 20

> > to 89 recruited in the UK in the 1990s.

> >

> > They divided participants into meat-eaters, fish-eaters,

> > vegetarians and vegans.

> >

> > During follow-up there were fewer cancers than would be expected

> > in the general population - probably because they were a healthier

> > than average group of people.

> >

> > But there was a significantly lower incidence of all cancers among

> > the fish-eaters and vegetarians compared with the meat eaters.

> >

> > *'Confusion'*

> >

> > For colorectal cancer, however that trend was reversed with

> > vegetarians having a significantly higher incidence of the

> > condition than the other groups.

> >

> > The researchers were surprised at the finding, which contradicts

> > previous evidence linking eating lots of red meat with the disease.

> >

> > Study leader Professor Tim Key, a Cancer Research UK

> > epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said no previous study

> > had looked at diet in this way and there had been a lot of

> > confusion about the issue.

> >

> > " It's interesting - it suggests there might be some reduction in

> > cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look

> > carefully at that. "

> >

> > He added: " It doesn't support the idea that vegetarians would have

> > lower rates of colorectal cancer and I think it means we need to

> > think more carefully about how meat fits into it. "

> >

> > More work is needed to unpick the links between diet and cancer

> > but such studies are incredibly hard to do, he said.

> >

> > Dr Joanne Lunn, a senior nutrition scientist at the British

> > Nutrition Foundation, said the findings highlight the fact that

> > cancer is a complex disease and many different lifestyle factors

> > play a part in determining a person's risk.

> >

> > " An interesting observation was that the vegetarians had a higher

> > rate of colorectal cancer than the meat-eaters.

> >

> > " When you look at the detail of their diets, the meat-eaters, to

> > which the vegetarians in this group were compared, are eating only

> > moderate amounts of meat each day - well within the recommendations.

> >

> > " Both groups are also just about meeting the recommendation to eat

> > at least 5 portions of fruits and vegetables a day. "

> >

> > --

> > AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156

> > http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com <http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com>

> > ~

> > Boston_Gothic

> > <Boston_Gothic>

> > Boston_Mystic

> > <Boston_Mystic>

> > Boston-Pagans

> > <Boston-Pagans>

> >

>

March 17, 2009

Things used to be much worse. I have some old vegetarian cookbooks from the '80s, when I merely flirted with the idea of becoming a vegetarian. Cheese seemed to be the focal point of every recipe. Okay, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it really did seem like some cheese was in *every* recipe. Of course, that's back in the day when doctors and dieticians took the position that while a vegetarian diet *might* be okay, a vegan diet was downright dangerous. How far we've come!

- DJ-----------------------Always remember: Today's mighty oak is simplyyesterday's nut that held its ground...

On Behalf Of heartwerkTuesday, March 17, 2009 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Vegetarians get fewer cancers (presumably vegans are included in vegetarians in this study)

I always think it a shame that the vegetarian options are full of cheese. It immediately makes it difficult for vegans and dairy-intolerant people. If only they would serve a couple of vegan options then vegetarians and dairy-intolerant could eat them as well.Jo , Alicia Armstrong <alicia.armstrong88 wrote:>> I agree, in most shops /restaurants that offer little vegetarian options > what they do have is overly rich, slathered in cheese etc. A continual > diet of just that and i wouldn't like to think the after-effects.> > On 16/03/2009 23:03, Blue Rose wrote:> >> > My guess is that those vegetarians replace all meat with egg and > > dairy. :-/> >> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork > > <jo.heartwork> wrote:> >> >> > Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'> >> > Vegetables> > Almost a third of adults in the study were vegetarian> >> > *A vegetarian diet may help to protect against cancer, a UK study> > suggests.*> >> > Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that those who> > did not eat meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than> > those who did.> >> > But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate of> > colorectal cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among> > the vegetarians.> >> > Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the team> > said the findings were worth looking into.> >> > Although it is widely recommended that people eat five portions of> > fruit and vegetables a day to reduce their risk of cancer and> > other diseases, there is very little evidence looking specifically> > at a vegetarian diet.> >> > > > *It suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in> > vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that*> > Professor Tim Key, study leader> >> > In the latest study, researchers looked at men and women aged 20> > to 89 recruited in the UK in the 1990s.> >> > They divided participants into meat-eaters, fish-eaters,> > vegetarians and vegans.> >> > During follow-up there were fewer cancers than would be expected> > in the general population - probably because they were a healthier> > than average group of people.> >> > But there was a significantly lower incidence of all cancers among> > the fish-eaters and vegetarians compared with the meat eaters.> >> > *'Confusion'*> >> > For colorectal cancer, however that trend was reversed with> > vegetarians having a significantly higher incidence of the> > condition than the other groups.> >> > The researchers were surprised at the finding, which contradicts> > previous evidence linking eating lots of red meat with the disease.> >> > Study leader Professor Tim Key, a Cancer Research UK> > epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said no previous study> > had looked at diet in this way and there had been a lot of> > confusion about the issue.> >> > "It's interesting - it suggests there might be some reduction in> > cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look> > carefully at that."> >> > He added: "It doesn't support the idea that vegetarians would have> > lower rates of colorectal cancer and I think it means we need to> > think more carefully about how meat fits into it."> >> > More work is needed to unpick the links between diet and cancer> > but such studies are incredibly hard to do, he said.> >> > Dr Joanne Lunn, a senior nutrition scientist at the British> > Nutrition Foundation, said the findings highlight the fact that> > cancer is a complex disease and many different lifestyle factors> > play a part in determining a person's risk.> >> > "An interesting observation was that the vegetarians had a higher> > rate of colorectal cancer than the meat-eaters.> >> > "When you look at the detail of their diets, the meat-eaters, to> > which the vegetarians in this group were compared, are eating only> > moderate amounts of meat each day - well within the recommendations.> >> > "Both groups are also just about meeting the recommendation to eat> > at least 5 portions of fruits and vegetables a day."> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > > AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156> > http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com <http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com>> > ~> > Boston_Gothic > > <Boston_Gothic>> > Boston_Mystic > > <Boston_Mystic>> > Boston-Pagans > > <Boston-Pagans>> >>

March 17, 2009

There certainly weren't many recipes for vegetarian food without cheese. I tried to be vegetarian back at the end of 60s beginning of 70s, and everything was cheese, and there didn't seem to be much help and advice around then. I eventually gave up because I was sick of cheese!

Jo

-

Dena Jo

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:46 PM

RE: Re: Vegetarians get fewer cancers (presumably vegans are included in vegetarians in this study)

Things used to be much worse. I have some old vegetarian cookbooks from the '80s, when I merely flirted with the idea of becoming a vegetarian. Cheese seemed to be the focal point of every recipe. Okay, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it really did seem like some cheese was in *every* recipe. Of course, that's back in the day when doctors and dieticians took the position that while a vegetarian diet *might* be okay, a vegan diet was downright dangerous. How far we've come!

- DJ-----------------------Always remember: Today's mighty oak is simplyyesterday's nut that held its ground...

On Behalf Of heartwerkTuesday, March 17, 2009 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Vegetarians get fewer cancers (presumably vegans are included in vegetarians in this study)

I always think it a shame that the vegetarian options are full of cheese. It immediately makes it difficult for vegans and dairy-intolerant people. If only they would serve a couple of vegan options then vegetarians and dairy-intolerant could eat them as well.Jo , Alicia Armstrong <alicia.armstrong88 wrote:>> I agree, in most shops /restaurants that offer little vegetarian options > what they do have is overly rich, slathered in cheese etc. A continual > diet of just that and i wouldn't like to think the after-effects.> > On 16/03/2009 23:03, Blue Rose wrote:> >> > My guess is that those vegetarians replace all meat with egg and > > dairy. :-/> >> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork > > <jo.heartwork> wrote:> >> >> > Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'> >> > Vegetables> > Almost a third of adults in the study were vegetarian> >> > *A vegetarian diet may help to protect against cancer, a UK study> > suggests.*> >> > Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that those who> > did not eat meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than> > those who did.> >> > But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate of> > colorectal cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among> > the vegetarians.> >> > Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the team> > said the findings were worth looking into.> >> > Although it is widely recommended that people eat five portions of> > fruit and vegetables a day to reduce their risk of cancer and> > other diseases, there is very little evidence looking specifically> > at a vegetarian diet.> >> > > > *It suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in> > vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that*> > Professor Tim Key, study leader> >> > In the latest study, researchers looked at men and women aged 20> > to 89 recruited in the UK in the 1990s.> >> > They divided participants into meat-eaters, fish-eaters,> > vegetarians and vegans.> >> > During follow-up there were fewer cancers than would be expected> > in the general population - probably because they were a healthier> > than average group of people.> >> > But there was a significantly lower incidence of all cancers among> > the fish-eaters and vegetarians compared with the meat eaters.> >> > *'Confusion'*> >> > For colorectal cancer, however that trend was reversed with> > vegetarians having a significantly higher incidence of the> > condition than the other groups.> >> > The researchers were surprised at the finding, which contradicts> > previous evidence linking eating lots of red meat with the disease.> >> > Study leader Professor Tim Key, a Cancer Research UK> > epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said no previous study> > had looked at diet in this way and there had been a lot of> > confusion about the issue.> >> > "It's interesting - it suggests there might be some reduction in> > cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look> > carefully at that."> >> > He added: "It doesn't support the idea that vegetarians would have> > lower rates of colorectal cancer and I think it means we need to> > think more carefully about how meat fits into it."> >> > More work is needed to unpick the links between diet and cancer> > but such studies are incredibly hard to do, he said.> >> > Dr Joanne Lunn, a senior nutrition scientist at the British> > Nutrition Foundation, said the findings highlight the fact that> > cancer is a complex disease and many different lifestyle factors> > play a part in determining a person's risk.> >> > "An interesting observation was that the vegetarians had a higher> > rate of colorectal cancer than the meat-eaters.> >> > "When you look at the detail of their diets, the meat-eaters, to> > which the vegetarians in this group were compared, are eating only> > moderate amounts of meat each day - well within the recommendations.> >> > "Both groups are also just about meeting the recommendation to eat> > at least 5 portions of fruits and vegetables a day."> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > > AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156> > http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com <http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com>> > ~> > Boston_Gothic > > <Boston_Gothic>> > Boston_Mystic > > <Boston_Mystic>> > Boston-Pagans > > <Boston-Pagans>> >>

March 17, 2009

This is why I make a LOT of Asian food. They don't rely on dairy, so all you have to do is make sure no egg or honey.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 2:00 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork wrote:

There certainly weren't many recipes for vegetarian food without cheese. I tried to be vegetarian back at the end of 60s beginning of 70s, and everything was cheese, and there didn't seem to be much help and advice around then. I eventually gave up because I was sick of cheese!

Jo

-

Dena Jo

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:46 PM

RE: Re: Vegetarians get fewer cancers (presumably vegans are included in vegetarians in this study)

Things used to be much worse. I have some old vegetarian cookbooks from the '80s, when I merely flirted with the idea of becoming a vegetarian. Cheese seemed to be the focal point of every recipe. Okay, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it really did seem like some cheese was in *every* recipe. Of course, that's back in the day when doctors and dieticians took the position that while a vegetarian diet *might* be okay, a vegan diet was downright dangerous. How far we've come!

- DJ

-----------------------Always remember: Today's mighty oak is simply

yesterday's nut that held its ground...

On Behalf Of heartwerk

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Vegetarians get fewer cancers (presumably vegans are included in vegetarians in this study)

I always think it a shame that the vegetarian options are full of cheese. It immediately makes it difficult for vegans and dairy-intolerant people. If only they would serve a couple of vegan options then vegetarians and dairy-intolerant could eat them as well.

Jo , Alicia Armstrong <alicia.armstrong88 wrote:>> I agree, in most shops /restaurants that offer little vegetarian options

> what they do have is overly rich, slathered in cheese etc. A continual > diet of just that and i wouldn't like to think the after-effects.> > On 16/03/2009 23:03, Blue Rose wrote:> >

> > My guess is that those vegetarians replace all meat with egg and > > dairy. :-/> >> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork > > <jo.heartwork> wrote:

> >> >> > Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'> >> > Vegetables> > Almost a third of adults in the study were vegetarian> >> > *A vegetarian diet may help to protect against cancer, a UK study

> > suggests.*> >> > Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that those who> > did not eat meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than> > those who did.> >

> > But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate of> > colorectal cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among> > the vegetarians.> >> > Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the team

> > said the findings were worth looking into.> >> > Although it is widely recommended that people eat five portions of> > fruit and vegetables a day to reduce their risk of cancer and

> > other diseases, there is very little evidence looking specifically> > at a vegetarian diet.> >> > > > *It suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in> > vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that*

> > Professor Tim Key, study leader> >> > In the latest study, researchers looked at men and women aged 20> > to 89 recruited in the UK in the 1990s.> >> > They divided participants into meat-eaters, fish-eaters,

> > vegetarians and vegans.> >> > During follow-up there were fewer cancers than would be expected> > in the general population - probably because they were a healthier> > than average group of people.

> >> > But there was a significantly lower incidence of all cancers among> > the fish-eaters and vegetarians compared with the meat eaters.> >> > *'Confusion'*> >

> > For colorectal cancer, however that trend was reversed with> > vegetarians having a significantly higher incidence of the> > condition than the other groups.> >> > The researchers were surprised at the finding, which contradicts

> > previous evidence linking eating lots of red meat with the disease.> >> > Study leader Professor Tim Key, a Cancer Research UK> > epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said no previous study

> > had looked at diet in this way and there had been a lot of> > confusion about the issue.> >> > " It's interesting - it suggests there might be some reduction in> > cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look

> > carefully at that. " > >> > He added: " It doesn't support the idea that vegetarians would have> > lower rates of colorectal cancer and I think it means we need to> > think more carefully about how meat fits into it. "

> >> > More work is needed to unpick the links between diet and cancer> > but such studies are incredibly hard to do, he said.> >> > Dr Joanne Lunn, a senior nutrition scientist at the British

> > Nutrition Foundation, said the findings highlight the fact that> > cancer is a complex disease and many different lifestyle factors> > play a part in determining a person's risk.> >

> > " An interesting observation was that the vegetarians had a higher> > rate of colorectal cancer than the meat-eaters.> >> > " When you look at the detail of their diets, the meat-eaters, to

> > which the vegetarians in this group were compared, are eating only> > moderate amounts of meat each day - well within the recommendations.> >> > " Both groups are also just about meeting the recommendation to eat

> > at least 5 portions of fruits and vegetables a day. " > >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > > AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156> > http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com <http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com>

> > ~> > Boston_Gothic > > <Boston_Gothic>

> > Boston_Mystic > > <Boston_Mystic>

> > Boston-Pagans > > <Boston-Pagans>

> >>

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March 17, 2009

That is true. We eat Asian food once or twice a week now. I still tend to like things like nut roast with mashed potatoes and green veggies - but since giving up meat there seems to be so much more choice.

Jo

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Blue Rose

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:30 PM

Re: Re: Vegetarians get fewer cancers (presumably vegans are included in vegetarians in this study)

This is why I make a LOT of Asian food. They don't rely on dairy, so all you have to do is make sure no egg or honey.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 2:00 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork > wrote:

There certainly weren't many recipes for vegetarian food without cheese. I tried to be vegetarian back at the end of 60s beginning of 70s, and everything was cheese, and there didn't seem to be much help and advice around then. I eventually gave up because I was sick of cheese!

Jo

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Dena Jo

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:46 PM

RE: Re: Vegetarians get fewer cancers (presumably vegans are included in vegetarians in this study)

Things used to be much worse. I have some old vegetarian cookbooks from the '80s, when I merely flirted with the idea of becoming a vegetarian. Cheese seemed to be the focal point of every recipe. Okay, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it really did seem like some cheese was in *every* recipe. Of course, that's back in the day when doctors and dieticians took the position that while a vegetarian diet *might* be okay, a vegan diet was downright dangerous. How far we've come!

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On Behalf Of heartwerkTuesday, March 17, 2009 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Vegetarians get fewer cancers (presumably vegans are included in vegetarians in this study)

I always think it a shame that the vegetarian options are full of cheese. It immediately makes it difficult for vegans and dairy-intolerant people. If only they would serve a couple of vegan options then vegetarians and dairy-intolerant could eat them as well.Jo , Alicia Armstrong <alicia.armstrong88 wrote:>> I agree, in most shops /restaurants that offer little vegetarian options > what they do have is overly rich, slathered in cheese etc. A continual > diet of just that and i wouldn't like to think the after-effects.> > On 16/03/2009 23:03, Blue Rose wrote:> >> > My guess is that those vegetarians replace all meat with egg and > > dairy. :-/> >> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork > > <jo.heartwork> wrote:> >> >> > Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'> >> > Vegetables> > Almost a third of adults in the study were vegetarian> >> > *A vegetarian diet may help to protect against cancer, a UK study> > suggests.*> >> > Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that those who> > did not eat meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than> > those who did.> >> > But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate of> > colorectal cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among> > the vegetarians.> >> > Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the team> > said the findings were worth looking into.> >> > Although it is widely recommended that people eat five portions of> > fruit and vegetables a day to reduce their risk of cancer and> > other diseases, there is very little evidence looking specifically> > at a vegetarian diet.> >> > > > *It suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in> > vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that*> > Professor Tim Key, study leader> >> > In the latest study, researchers looked at men and women aged 20> > to 89 recruited in the UK in the 1990s.> >> > They divided participants into meat-eaters, fish-eaters,> > vegetarians and vegans.> >> > During follow-up there were fewer cancers than would be expected> > in the general population - probably because they were a healthier> > than average group of people.> >> > But there was a significantly lower incidence of all cancers among> > the fish-eaters and vegetarians compared with the meat eaters.> >> > *'Confusion'*> >> > For colorectal cancer, however that trend was reversed with> > vegetarians having a significantly higher incidence of the> > condition than the other groups.> >> > The researchers were surprised at the finding, which contradicts> > previous evidence linking eating lots of red meat with the disease.> >> > Study leader Professor Tim Key, a Cancer Research UK> > epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said no previous study> > had looked at diet in this way and there had been a lot of> > confusion about the issue.> >> > "It's interesting - it suggests there might be some reduction in> > cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look> > carefully at that."> >> > He added: "It doesn't support the idea that vegetarians would have> > lower rates of colorectal cancer and I think it means we need to> > think more carefully about how meat fits into it."> >> > More work is needed to unpick the links between diet and cancer> > but such studies are incredibly hard to do, he said.> >> > Dr Joanne Lunn, a senior nutrition scientist at the British> > Nutrition Foundation, said the findings highlight the fact that> > cancer is a complex disease and many different lifestyle factors> > play a part in determining a person's risk.> >> > "An interesting observation was that the vegetarians had a higher> > rate of colorectal cancer than the meat-eaters.> >> > "When you look at the detail of their diets, the meat-eaters, to> > which the vegetarians in this group were compared, are eating only> > moderate amounts of meat each day - well within the recommendations.> >> > "Both groups are also just about meeting the recommendation to eat> > at least 5 portions of fruits and vegetables a day."> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > > AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156> > http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com <http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com>> > ~> > Boston_Gothic > > <Boston_Gothic>> > Boston_Mystic > > <Boston_Mystic>> > Boston-Pagans > > <Boston-Pagans>> >>

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March 17, 2009

I'm addicted to this awesome tofu teriyaki recipe that I learned how to make. It's delish!

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM, jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork wrote: