resistance and mocking

[Guest guest]

boy I thought coming out of the broom closet was hard but just trying to live

better is almost impossible with all the anti veg comments I hear.

 

" you can't live with out meat "

" you need the protein "

" just veggies what a yucky way to live "

 

I have just about had it then some one in my work place put bacon bits in my

salid!!

 

I am so glad I have the 26th and 27th off

 

thanks just needed to vent.

 

katie )O(

[Guest guest]

Hi Katie

 

I'm sorry it is unpleasant at the moment. Enjoy your days off.

 

Jo

 

, " Katie " <east_watch wrote:

>

> boy I thought coming out of the broom closet was hard but just trying to live

better is almost impossible with all the anti veg comments I hear.

>

> " you can't live with out meat "

> " you need the protein "

> " just veggies what a yucky way to live "

>

> I have just about had it then some one in my work place put bacon bits in my

salid!!

>

> I am so glad I have the 26th and 27th off

>

> thanks just needed to vent.

>

> katie )O(

>

[Guest guest]

I used to hear " you can't live without meat " all the time when I was

growing up from an aunt who had meat at every single meal! This was

long before I knew it was possible to be a vegetarian, so I think it

was at least partly to persuade herself. Just think of it as

rationalizations so that they don't have to think about the dead

bodies they're eating.

 

I like the book by Carol Adams called " Living Among Meat-Eaters. " She

talks about how to deal with this kind of atmosphere.

 

At 4:52 AM +0000 3/26/09, Katie wrote:

>boy I thought coming out of the broom closet was hard but just

>trying to live better is almost impossible with all the anti veg

>comments I hear.

>

> " you can't live with out meat "

> " you need the protein "

> " just veggies what a yucky way to live "

>

>I have just about had it then some one in my work place put bacon

>bits in my salid!!

>

>I am so glad I have the 26th and 27th off

>

>thanks just needed to vent.

>

>katie )O(

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition- Albert Einstein

 

Welcome to the movement!

 

Blessings!-

Bill-in Utah!

 

, " Katie " <east_watch wrote:

>

> boy I thought coming out of the broom closet was hard but just trying to live

better is almost impossible with all the anti veg comments I hear.

>

> " you can't live with out meat "

> " you need the protein "

> " just veggies what a yucky way to live "

>

> I have just about had it then some one in my work place put bacon bits in my

salid!!

>

> I am so glad I have the 26th and 27th off

>

> thanks just needed to vent.

>

> katie )O(

>

[Guest guest]

at my last job, one of my friends organized a going away party for me- and he made it a rule that nothing could come into my party that wasn't vegan (except for non-vegan people- all the food, however, was vegan).  The NUTRITIONIST refused to attend my party because she " only eats meat. "   That's exactly what she said. 

 

And get this, when she finally did come to the party, she ate a piece of this fabulous cake that my friend had made (one of those vegan-by-accident recipes that was in his family) and said that it " didn't have as much flavor " because there weren't eggs in it.   I kindly pointed out to her that eggs are a BINDING AGENT, not a flavoring agent in cakes.  

 

My point is that some people are ridiculous.   And you will encounter them frequently.  It's hard at first, because you aren't used to it, but eventually you hardly notice.   Hang in there!

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:33 AM, shinobibombay <shinobibombay wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition- Albert EinsteinWelcome to the movement!Blessings!-Bill-in Utah! , " Katie " <east_watch wrote:>

> boy I thought coming out of the broom closet was hard but just trying to live better is almost impossible with all the anti veg comments I hear.> > " you can't live with out meat "

> " you need the protein " > " just veggies what a yucky way to live " > > I have just about had it then some one in my work place put bacon bits in my salid!!> > I am so glad I have the 26th and 27th off

> > thanks just needed to vent.> > katie )O(>

[Guest guest]

We had a friend who wouldn't eat a piece of birthday cake because it was

vegan!!! Everyone else had some and thought it delicious.

 

Jo

 

, kerri myers <4lilpups wrote:

>

> at my last job, one of my friends organized a going away party for me- and

> he made it a rule that nothing could come into my party that wasn't vegan

> (except for non-vegan people- all the food, however, was vegan). The

> NUTRITIONIST refused to attend my party because she " only eats meat. "

> That's exactly what she said.

>

> And get this, when she finally did come to the party, she ate a piece of

> this fabulous cake that my friend had made (one of those vegan-by-accident

> recipes that was in his family) and said that it " didn't have as much

> flavor " because there weren't eggs in it. I kindly pointed out to her that

> eggs are a BINDING AGENT, not a flavoring agent in cakes.

>

> My point is that some people are ridiculous. And you will encounter them

> frequently. It's hard at first, because you aren't used to it, but

> eventually you hardly notice. Hang in there!

>

> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:33 AM, shinobibombay <shinobibombaywrote:

>

> > Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition- Albert

> > Einstein

> >

> > Welcome to the movement!

> >

> > Blessings!-

> > Bill-in Utah!

> >

> > <%40>, " Katie "

> > <east_watch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > boy I thought coming out of the broom closet was hard but just trying to

> > live better is almost impossible with all the anti veg comments I hear.

> > >

> > > " you can't live with out meat "

> > > " you need the protein "

> > > " just veggies what a yucky way to live "

> > >

> > > I have just about had it then some one in my work place put bacon bits in

> > my salid!!

> > >

> > > I am so glad I have the 26th and 27th off

> > >

> > > thanks just needed to vent.

> > >

> > > katie )O(

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My fiancee's daughter is the same way. Even though she was raised vegetarian! Of

course, she is really big, now. Which is a shame. Because she was a very

attractive gal in high school. But, I think it is more than just the food issue.

 

I never like to criticize my fiancee, but she likes to say Vegan a lot. Like

some sort of catch phrase or something. I try to tell her to not say anything.

My logic is that if they don't know and then they like the food, then find out

it is a better strategy, and exposes their hypocrisy. I figure, we're not

religious zealots out to convert the world. That only turns people off.

 

There is a stigma attached to the word " vegan " here in Utah. It seems the the

Mormon youth have taken it to the extreme; calling themselves 'straightedgers'

and acting more like skinhead punks. Beating people up for eating meat and

damaging peoples property and setting the minks free and stuff. Don't get me

wrong, I love the sex pistols and the ramones,et al..., and I am very much an

animal welfare advocate. But, the wannabe gangsta/Peta/Greenpeace people have

made us appear like anarchists and terrorists in the local governments eyes.

 

Bill- in Utah

 

If it runs away from you because it doesn't want to die and has a mommy,... I

don't want to eat it.

 

, " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork wrote:

>

> We had a friend who wouldn't eat a piece of birthday cake because it was

vegan!!! Everyone else had some and thought it delicious.

>

> Jo

[Guest guest]

Hi i am new to the group. have been veggie for 23 years and vegan for the last 10 and i am proud to be so. i am vegan only because i don't wish to contribute to animal suffering. i consider myself an animal rights campaginer and i support peta as well as many other organisations. i am also pagan. great to see so many other people care.don't worry about what other people say. you must do what you know is right and be true to yourself no matter what others think.

Tina

 

 

, "shinobibombay" <shinobibombay wrote:>> My fiancee's daughter is the same way. Even though she was raised vegetarian! Of course, she is really big, now. Which is a shame. Because she was a very attractive gal in high school. But, I think it is more than just the food issue.> > I never like to criticize my fiancee, but she likes to say Vegan a lot. Like some sort of catch phrase or something. I try to tell her to not say anything. My logic is that if they don't know and then they like the food, then find out it is a better strategy, and exposes their hypocrisy. I figure, we're not religious zealots out to convert the world. That only turns people off.> > There is a stigma attached to the word "vegan" here in Utah. It seems the the Mormon youth have taken it to the extreme; calling themselves 'straightedgers' and acting more like skinhead punks. Beating people up for eating meat and damaging peoples property and setting the minks free and stuff. Don't get me wrong, I love the sex pistols and the ramones,et al..., and I am very much an animal welfare advocate. But, the wannabe gangsta/Peta/Greenpeace people have made us appear like anarchists and terrorists in the local governments eyes.> > Bill- in Utah> > If it runs away from you because it doesn't want to die and has a mommy,... I don't want to eat it.> > , "heartwerk" jo.heartwork@ wrote:> >> > We had a friend who wouldn't eat a piece of birthday cake because it was vegan!!! Everyone else had some and thought it delicious.> > > > Jo>

[Guest guest]

I agree with your philosophy Bill as far as not really " advertising " that

everything is vegan. Some people are just turned off by the simple word

" vegan " . They associate it with unflavorful food even if they've never really

had vegan food purposefully.

 

I am lucky to work in such an open-minded workplace where there are 2 of us who

are vegan, yet many staff are thoughtful enough to make vegan dishes during

potlucks. If people begin to tamper with your food and harass you in your

workplace, then there is a serious issue going on that maybe should be brought

up with HR. If this isn't a viable option, then look to see if your

organization has an EAP (Employee Assistance Program). These are confidential

and great for talking to someone about what options you can pursue. Afterall,

you need to feel safe and comfortable in your own work environment.

 

I hope all works out for you!

 

Debra

 

, " shinobibombay " <shinobibombay wrote:

>

> My fiancee's daughter is the same way. Even though she was raised vegetarian!

Of course, she is really big, now. Which is a shame. Because she was a very

attractive gal in high school. But, I think it is more than just the food issue.

>

> I never like to criticize my fiancee, but she likes to say Vegan a lot. Like

some sort of catch phrase or something. I try to tell her to not say anything.

My logic is that if they don't know and then they like the food, then find out

it is a better strategy, and exposes their hypocrisy. I figure, we're not

religious zealots out to convert the world. That only turns people off.

>

> There is a stigma attached to the word " vegan " here in Utah. It seems the the

Mormon youth have taken it to the extreme; calling themselves 'straightedgers'

and acting more like skinhead punks. Beating people up for eating meat and

damaging peoples property and setting the minks free and stuff. Don't get me

wrong, I love the sex pistols and the ramones,et al..., and I am very much an

animal welfare advocate. But, the wannabe gangsta/Peta/Greenpeace people have

made us appear like anarchists and terrorists in the local governments eyes.

>

> Bill- in Utah

>

> If it runs away from you because it doesn't want to die and has a mommy,... I

don't want to eat it.

>

> , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> >

> > We had a friend who wouldn't eat a piece of birthday cake because it was

vegan!!! Everyone else had some and thought it delicious.

> >

> > Jo

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina

 

Welcome to Vegan Chat :-)

 

Jo

 

 

-

barleymoon

Friday, March 27, 2009 2:37 PM

Re: resistance and mocking

 

 

 

Hi i am new to the group. have been veggie for 23 years and vegan for the last 10 and i am proud to be so. i am vegan only because i don't wish to contribute to animal suffering. i consider myself an animal rights campaginer and i support peta as well as many other organisations. i am also pagan. great to see so many other people care.don't worry about what other people say. you must do what you know is right and be true to yourself no matter what others think.

Tina

 

 

, "shinobibombay" <shinobibombay wrote:>> My fiancee's daughter is the same way. Even though she was raised vegetarian! Of course, she is really big, now. Which is a shame. Because she was a very attractive gal in high school. But, I think it is more than just the food issue.> > I never like to criticize my fiancee, but she likes to say Vegan a lot. Like some sort of catch phrase or something. I try to tell her to not say anything. My logic is that if they don't know and then they like the food, then find out it is a better strategy, and exposes their hypocrisy. I figure, we're not religious zealots out to convert the world. That only turns people off.> > There is a stigma attached to the word "vegan" here in Utah. It seems the the Mormon youth have taken it to the extreme; calling themselves 'straightedgers' and acting more like skinhead punks. Beating people up for eating meat and damaging peoples property and setting the minks free and stuff. Don't get me wrong, I love the sex pistols and the ramones,et al..., and I am very much an animal welfare advocate. But, the wannabe gangsta/Peta/Greenpeace people have made us appear like anarchists and terrorists in the local governments eyes.> > Bill- in Utah> > If it runs away from you because it doesn't want to die and has a mommy,... I don't want to eat it.> > , "heartwerk" jo.heartwork@ wrote:> >> > We had a friend who wouldn't eat a piece of birthday cake because it was vegan!!! Everyone else had some and thought it delicious.> > > > Jo>

[Guest guest]

hi! Welcome to the fold!

 

And " Amen " to what you said!

 

Bill- in Utah

 

, " barleymoon " <barleymoon wrote:

>

>

> [] Hi i am new to the group. have been veggie for 23 years and vegan

> for the last 10 and i am proud to be so. i am vegan only because i don't

> wish to contribute to animal suffering. i consider myself an animal

> rights campaginer and i support peta as well as many other

> organisations. i am also pagan. great to see so many other people

> care.don't worry about what other people say. you must do what you know

> is right and be true to yourself no matter what others think.

>

> Tina

, " shinobibombay " <shinobibombay@>

> wrote:

> >

> > My fiancee's daughter is the same way. Even though she was raised

> vegetarian! Of course, she is really big, now. Which is a shame. Because

> she was a very attractive gal in high school. But, I think it is more

> than just the food issue.

> >

> > I never like to criticize my fiancee, but she likes to say Vegan a

> lot. Like some sort of catch phrase or something. I try to tell her to

> not say anything. My logic is that if they don't know and then they like

> the food, then find out it is a better strategy, and exposes their

> hypocrisy. I figure, we're not religious zealots out to convert the

> world. That only turns people off.

> >

> > There is a stigma attached to the word " vegan " here in Utah. It seems

> the the Mormon youth have taken it to the extreme; calling themselves

> 'straightedgers' and acting more like skinhead punks. Beating people up

> for eating meat and damaging peoples property and setting the minks free

> and stuff. Don't get me wrong, I love the sex pistols and the ramones,et

> al..., and I am very much an animal welfare advocate. But, the wannabe

> gangsta/Peta/Greenpeace people have made us appear like anarchists and

> terrorists in the local governments eyes.

> >

> > Bill- in Utah

> >

> > If it runs away from you because it doesn't want to die and has a

> mommy,... I don't want to eat it.

> >

> > , " heartwerk " jo.heartwork@ wrote:

> > >

> > > We had a friend who wouldn't eat a piece of birthday cake because it

> was vegan!!! Everyone else had some and thought it delicious.

> > >

> > > Jo

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Are you sure that PETA is the right charity to support? After all they are

'welfarists' and not exactly pro towards Animal Rights, and I've known them to

be sexist too! I'd much prefer to support real AR charities. It's worth

finding out more about them and their work imho.

 

 

, " barleymoon " <barleymoon wrote:

[] Hi i am new to the group. have been veggie for 23 years and vegan

> for the last 10 and i am proud to be so. i am vegan only because i don't

> wish to contribute to animal suffering. i consider myself an animal

> rights campaginer and i support peta as well as many other

> organisations. i am also pagan. great to see so many other people

> care.don't worry about what other people say. you must do what you know

> is right and be true to yourself no matter what others think.

>

> Tina

[Guest guest]

Hi i think Peta are an AR group as they support the ALF and anyone who does that

is o.k by me. i am a supporter of many different groups such as Shac and Speak.

and others who are considered militant or extreme by some. it seems wanting an

end to all the abuse of non-human animals is thought to be extreme nowadays.

Tina

 

 

 

 

 

, " medlar13 " <free wrote:

>

> Are you sure that PETA is the right charity to support? After all they are

'welfarists' and not exactly pro towards Animal Rights, and I've known them to

be sexist too! I'd much prefer to support real AR charities. It's worth

finding out more about them and their work imho.

>

>

> , " barleymoon@ " <barleymoon@> wrote:

> [] Hi i am new to the group. have been veggie for 23 years and vegan

> > for the last 10 and i am proud to be so. i am vegan only because i don't

> > wish to contribute to animal suffering. i consider myself an animal

> > rights campaginer and i support peta as well as many other

> > organisations. i am also pagan. great to see so many other people

> > care.don't worry about what other people say. you must do what you know

> > is right and be true to yourself no matter what others think.

> >

> > Tina

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, i think peta is an animal rights group they support the ALF after all. i am

a supporter of many different groups including SHAC and Speak and many others

considered by some to be militant or extremist.

whatever that is? it seems wanting an end to all abuse of non-human animals is

being extereme these days.Tina

 

 

 

- In , " medlar13 " <free wrote:

>

> Are you sure that PETA is the right charity to support? After all they are

'welfarists' and not exactly pro towards Animal Rights, and I've known them to

be sexist too! I'd much prefer to support real AR charities. It's worth

finding out more about them and their work imho.

>

>

> , " barleymoon@ " <barleymoon@> wrote:

> [] Hi i am new to the group. have been veggie for 23 years and vegan

> > for the last 10 and i am proud to be so. i am vegan only because i don't

> > wish to contribute to animal suffering. i consider myself an animal

> > rights campaginer and i support peta as well as many other

> > organisations. i am also pagan. great to see so many other people

> > care.don't worry about what other people say. you must do what you know

> > is right and be true to yourself no matter what others think.

> >

> > Tina

>

[Guest guest]

sorry i think i sent that message twice!!

Tina

, " medlar13 " <free wrote:

>

> Are you sure that PETA is the right charity to support? After all they are

'welfarists' and not exactly pro towards Animal Rights, and I've known them to

be sexist too! I'd much prefer to support real AR charities. It's worth

finding out more about them and their work imho.

>

>

> , " barleymoon@ " <barleymoon@> wrote:

> [] Hi i am new to the group. have been veggie for 23 years and vegan

> > for the last 10 and i am proud to be so. i am vegan only because i don't

> > wish to contribute to animal suffering. i consider myself an animal

> > rights campaginer and i support peta as well as many other

> > organisations. i am also pagan. great to see so many other people

> > care.don't worry about what other people say. you must do what you know

> > is right and be true to yourself no matter what others think.

> >

> > Tina

>

[Guest guest]

Groups like ALF are giving vegans a bad name. Especially in the community where

I live. I appreciate their fervor and the cause. But, I do not support their

actions. Their energy could be spent in more productive and effective means in

bringing the issues to light. Terrorist tactics and midnight vandalism are the

stuff of juvenile delinquents and do nothing to advance the movement other than

to generate animosity and disdain. PETA is sexist and does not offer a healthy

promotion of the movement.

 

Bill- in Utah

(where the minks were recently released and being vegan is considered akin to

terrorism.)

 

, " barleymoon " <barleymoon wrote:

>

> Hi i think Peta are an AR group as they support the ALF and anyone who does

that is o.k by me. i am a supporter of many different groups such as Shac and

Speak. and others who are considered militant or extreme by some. it seems

wanting an end to all the abuse of non-human animals is thought to be extreme

nowadays. Tina

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill, I completely agree. Just mentioning I'm vegan to someone will often be met with "oh like one of those PETA crazies!" or something similar. I don't like the image they portray. Although they do have some great info resources and recipes. I also don't believe that the destruction of property helps the movement. Remember that animal rights advocates have been labeled eco-terrorists by the gov't already. Also, I don't think it's necessary to say things, like "they are welfarists." (as was said in an earlier response). The whole "anti-welfarists" argument just divides the animal rights community unnecessarily when we are all fighting for the greater good. Taking different approaches, small steps vs. huge actions, should not be construed as not having animal rights and liberation as the ultimate goal. Animal advocates and activists should not be

turning against one another over this sort of labeling. We have enough forces against us already. We should be cooperating and working for the larger cause.JenniferNYC--- On Fri, 3/27/09, shinobibombay <shinobibombay wrote:shinobibombay <shinobibombay Re: resistance and mocking Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 4:45 PM

 

Groups like ALF are giving vegans a bad name. Especially in the community where I live. I appreciate their fervor and the cause. But, I do not support their actions. Their energy could be spent in more productive and effective means in bringing the issues to light. Terrorist tactics and midnight vandalism are the stuff of juvenile delinquents and do nothing to advance the movement other than to generate animosity and disdain. PETA is sexist and does not offer a healthy promotion of the movement.

 

Bill- in Utah

(where the minks were recently released and being vegan is considered akin to terrorism.)

 

@gro ups.com, "barleymoon@ ..." <barleymoon@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi i think Peta are an AR group as they support the ALF and anyone who does that is o.k by me. i am a supporter of many different groups such as Shac and Speak. and others who are considered militant or extreme by some. it seems wanting an end to all the abuse of non-human animals is thought to be extreme nowadays. Tina

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jennifer I have had similar responses from people as a Vegetarian. It is annoying. How long have you been Vegan? Jerrold NYC--- On Fri, 3/27/09, Jennifer Parrucci <poegurl22 wrote:

Jennifer Parrucci <poegurl22Re: Re: resistance and mocking Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 4:58 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bill, I completely agree. Just mentioning I'm vegan to someone will often be met with "oh like one of those PETA crazies!" or something similar. I don't like the image they portray. Although they do have some great info resources and recipes. I also don't believe that the destruction of property helps the movement. Remember that animal rights advocates have been labeled eco-terrorists by the gov't already. Also, I don't think it's necessary to say things, like "they are welfarists." (as was said in an earlier response). The whole "anti-welfarists" argument just divides the animal rights community unnecessarily when we are all fighting for the greater good. Taking different approaches, small steps vs. huge actions, should not be construed as not having animal rights and liberation as the ultimate goal. Animal advocates and activists should not be turning against one another over this sort of labeling. We have enough forces

against us already. We should be cooperating and working for the larger cause.JenniferNYC--- On Fri, 3/27/09, shinobibombay <shinobibombay@ > wrote:

shinobibombay <shinobibombay@ > Re: resistance and mocking@gro ups.comFriday, March 27, 2009, 4:45 PM

 

 

Groups like ALF are giving vegans a bad name. Especially in the community where I live. I appreciate their fervor and the cause. But, I do not support their actions. Their energy could be spent in more productive and effective means in bringing the issues to light. Terrorist tactics and midnight vandalism are the stuff of juvenile delinquents and do nothing to advance the movement other than to generate animosity and disdain. PETA is sexist and does not offer a healthy promotion of the movement.Bill- in Utah(where the minks were recently released and being vegan is considered akin to terrorism.)@gro ups.com, "barleymoon@ ..." <barleymoon@ ...> wrote:>> Hi i think Peta are an AR group as they support the ALF and anyone who does that is o.k by me. i am a supporter of many different groups such as Shac and Speak.

and others who are considered militant or extreme by some. it seems wanting an end to all the abuse of non-human animals is thought to be extreme nowadays. Tina > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Well, my fiancee and I decided to tyr a new approach. We don't know very many

Vegans ourselves, but we know there are quite a few around us. So, we decided to

do community service. What we decided upon was timely in that Michelle Obama

decided to plant a garden at the White House. We started organizing " VICTORY

GARDENS FOR OGDEN " . Then found a bunch of folks real quick when the word got

out. (Only a vegan would look at an undeveloped lot and think of all the food

that could be grown there) Come to find out we have a lot of support. And it

actually looks like it's gonna work! Which is a miracle when you consider that

the Oligarchy which runs Utah thinks God wants us to eat animals.!We found lots

of support on facebook,which if you want to know about those I will post the

link only if someone asks for it. In case you are interested here is a link to

her blog in the local paper about it...

http://blogs.standard.net/2009/03/22/eco-patriotism-victory-gardens-for-ogden/

 

Bill-in Utah

Sewing seeds and reaping fruits

 

In , Jerrrold Fuller <cocopuffs771 wrote:

>

> Jennifer I have had similar responses from people as a Vegetarian.  It is

annoying.  How long have you been Vegan?  Jerrold NYC

>

> --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Jennifer Parrucci <poegurl22 wrote:

>

> Jennifer Parrucci <poegurl22

> Re: Re: resistance and mocking

>

> Friday, March 27, 2009, 4:58 PM

>

>

>

>

Bill,

> I completely agree. Just mentioning I'm vegan to someone will often be met

with " oh like one of those PETA crazies! " or something similar. I don't like the

image they portray. Although they do have some great info resources and recipes.

I also don't believe that the destruction of property helps the movement.

Remember that animal rights advocates have been labeled eco-terrorists by the

gov't already.

>

> Also, I don't think it's necessary to say things, like " they are welfarists. "

(as was said in an earlier response). The whole " anti-welfarists " argument just

divides the animal rights community unnecessarily when we are all fighting for

the greater good. Taking different approaches, small steps vs. huge actions,

should not be construed as not having animal rights and liberation as the

ultimate goal. Animal advocates and activists should not be turning against one

another over this sort of labeling.  We have enough forces against us already.

We should be cooperating and working for the larger cause.

>

> Jennifer

> NYC

>

> --- On Fri, 3/27/09, shinobibombay <shinobibombay@ > wrote:

>

> shinobibombay <shinobibombay@ >

> Re: resistance and mocking

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, March 27, 2009, 4:45 PM

>

>

>

>

> Groups like ALF are giving vegans a bad name. Especially in the community

where I live. I appreciate their fervor and the cause. But, I do not support

their actions. Their energy could be spent in more productive and effective

means in bringing the issues to light. Terrorist tactics and midnight vandalism

are the stuff of juvenile delinquents and do nothing to advance the movement

other than to generate animosity and disdain. PETA is sexist and does not offer

a healthy promotion of the movement.

>

> Bill- in Utah

> (where the minks were recently released and being vegan is considered akin to

terrorism.)

>

> @gro ups.com, " barleymoon@ ... " <barleymoon@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi i think Peta are an AR group as they support the ALF and anyone who does

that is o.k by me. i am a supporter of many different groups such as Shac and

Speak. and others who are considered militant or extreme by some. it seems

wanting an end to all the abuse of non-human animals is thought to be extreme

nowadays. Tina

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

oh I want the recipe for Vegan cake and dose any one here have a recipe for

muffins? I got one on line but it did not rise like it was suppose to.

 

but thank you for sharing I will make the recipes and take them to work.

 

thank you

 

katie )O(

[Guest guest]

JerroldI have been vegetarian for almost 4 yrs & vegan for 9 months. I live in NYC, so you think people would be used to vegans by now, but I still get some pretty biased and uninformed comments--Jennifer--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Jerrrold Fuller <cocopuffs771 wrote:Jerrrold Fuller <cocopuffs771Re: Re: resistance and mocking Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 6:40 AM

 

Jennifer I have had similar responses from people as a Vegetarian. It is annoying. How long have you been Vegan? Jerrold NYC--- On Fri, 3/27/09, Jennifer Parrucci <poegurl22 > wrote:

Jennifer Parrucci <poegurl22 >Re: Re: resistance and mocking@gro ups.comFriday, March 27, 2009, 4:58 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bill, I completely agree. Just mentioning I'm vegan to someone will often be met with "oh like one of those PETA crazies!" or something similar. I don't like the image they portray. Although they do have some great info resources and recipes. I also don't believe that the destruction of property helps the movement. Remember that animal rights advocates have been labeled eco-terrorists by the gov't already. Also, I don't think it's necessary to say things, like "they are welfarists." (as was said in an earlier response). The whole "anti-welfarists" argument just divides the animal rights community unnecessarily when we are all fighting for the greater good. Taking different approaches, small steps vs. huge actions, should not be construed as not having animal rights and liberation as the ultimate goal. Animal advocates and activists should not be turning against one another over this sort of labeling. We have enough

forces

against us already. We should be cooperating and working for the larger cause.JenniferNYC--- On Fri, 3/27/09, shinobibombay <shinobibombay@ > wrote:

shinobibombay <shinobibombay@ > Re: resistance and mocking@gro ups.comFriday, March 27, 2009, 4:45 PM

 

 

Groups like ALF are giving vegans a bad name. Especially in the community where I live. I appreciate their fervor and the cause. But, I do not support their actions. Their energy could be spent in more productive and effective means in bringing the issues to light. Terrorist tactics and midnight vandalism are the stuff of juvenile delinquents and do nothing to advance the movement other than to generate animosity and disdain. PETA is sexist and does not offer a healthy promotion of the movement.Bill- in Utah(where the minks were recently released and being vegan is considered akin to terrorism.)@gro ups.com, "barleymoon@ ..." <barleymoon@ ...> wrote:>> Hi i think Peta are an AR group as they support the ALF and anyone who does that is o.k by me. i am a supporter of many different groups such as Shac and

Speak.

and others who are considered militant or extreme by some. it seems wanting an end to all the abuse of non-human animals is thought to be extreme nowadays. Tina > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I did that at work.

 

It was an experiment me and my vegetarian co-worker did.

 

People are always bringing bake goods for everyone. i.e. donuts, etc. So,

We went to our local whole foods and bought vegan cupcakes for everyone at my

job. We left them in the kitchen with a sign that said

" Free VEGAN cupcakes "

 

nobody ate them.

 

Then, a few weeks later we bought the same vegan cupcakes but this time our sign

said just said " Free Cupcakes "

 

everyone ate them.

 

 

 

, " shinobibombay " <shinobibombay wrote:

>

> >

> There is a stigma attached to the word " vegan " here in Utah. It

[Guest guest]

I was born in manhattan, but now live in florida.

My mom still lives there. I will let you know next time I visit maybe we could

meet

 

 

 

, Jennifer Parrucci <poegurl22 wrote:

>

> Jerrold

>

> I have been vegetarian for almost 4 yrs & vegan for 9 months. I live in NYC,

so you think people would be used to vegans by now, but I still get some pretty

biased and uninformed comments

>

> --Jennifer

[Guest guest]

I hope they weren't really the same cupcakes. They would be stale, no? (LOL!)

 

Yup. People don't get it.

 

Bill-in Utah

 

, " flower child " <zurumato wrote:

>

>

> I did that at work.

>

> It was an experiment me and my vegetarian co-worker did.

>

> People are always bringing bake goods for everyone. i.e. donuts, etc. So,

> We went to our local whole foods and bought vegan cupcakes for everyone at my

job. We left them in the kitchen with a sign that said

> " Free VEGAN cupcakes "

>

> nobody ate them.

>

> Then, a few weeks later we bought the same vegan cupcakes but this time our

sign said just said " Free Cupcakes "

>

> everyone ate them.

>

>

>

> , " shinobibombay " <shinobibombay@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > There is a stigma attached to the word " vegan " here in Utah. It

>

[Guest guest]

Oh dear - aren't people fickle!

 

Jo

 

, " flower child " <zurumato wrote:

>

>

> I did that at work.

>

> It was an experiment me and my vegetarian co-worker did.

>

> People are always bringing bake goods for everyone. i.e. donuts, etc. So,

> We went to our local whole foods and bought vegan cupcakes for everyone at my

job. We left them in the kitchen with a sign that said

> " Free VEGAN cupcakes "

>

> nobody ate them.

>

> Then, a few weeks later we bought the same vegan cupcakes but this time our

sign said just said " Free Cupcakes "

>

> everyone ate them.

>

>

>

> , " shinobibombay " <shinobibombay@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > There is a stigma attached to the word " vegan " here in Utah. It

>