Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 <<Like a lot of us longtime vegetarians, I had a love affair with cheese.>> I was never a big fan of gobs of cheese, yet when I gave up dairy, I found myself craving it! According to Neal Barnard, cheese is the hardest animal product for people to give up. Dena Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Hello all, first time post 4 me so hope I'm doing this right (my grasp on technology ends with pocket calculators). Lifelong vegetarian and have been working on a vegan diet for the past year. I have not eaten cheese for a good 6 mths and I really miss it. That was the only thing I thought I would struggle with as I had a cheese habit that could have got me en-suite in The Priory. Just took it day by day and if I was craving it badly would have some but in the same instance I have been making myself more ethically aware of how dairy products are produced etc. That really helped me. I agree with some of the vegan cheeses not being so good tho lol. Still, only tried a couple so am sure there is one for me waiting 2 get in2 a sandwich :-D. Good luck 2 anyone struggling. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device"Dena Jo" Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:39:10 -0700Re: Moving up the continuum <<Like a lot of us longtime vegetarians, I had a love affair with cheese.>> I was never a big fan of gobs of cheese, yet when I gave up dairy, I found myself craving it! According to Neal Barnard, cheese is the hardest animal product for people to give up. Dena Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Grrr, as predicted I ballsed that message up. I meant to put I don't miss it not I do miss cheese. Aaaargh!!! Apologies *scolds self*Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device"Dena Jo" Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:39:10 -0700Re: Moving up the continuum <<Like a lot of us longtime vegetarians, I had a love affair with cheese.>> I was never a big fan of gobs of cheese, yet when I gave up dairy, I found myself craving it! According to Neal Barnard, cheese is the hardest animal product for people to give up. Dena Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 apparently i'm one of the lucky ones, as never liked cheese so therefore was a snap to give up... bantrymoon Jun 13, 2009 9:33 AM Moving up the continuum I shared with this group when I joined that I wasn't quite a vegan yet, but was working on it. Well, it looks as if I've crossed the threshhold. I haven't had dairy in weeks, and I'm loving the plant based way of life.Like a lot of us longtime vegetarians, I had a love affair with cheese. While plant-based milks, yogurt, sour cream and cream cheese are all pretty tasty, in my opinion vegan "cheeses" aren't. I think I struggled with becoming vegan because simply substituting vegan cheese in vegetarian recipes didn't work for me.What did the trick was to stop making vegan imitations of vegetarian dishes. When I make a taco now, I understand it's beans, veggies, salsa, and maybe a little avocado and/or meat analogs. They're very good, and because I'm not thinking about them as a cheese dish I don't miss the cheese. Or I make a big stirfry of veggies and wholegrain noodles and toss in some tempeh or tofu. All very wonderful without being haunted by the ghost of dairy.Now I should say that there are a lot of great cheezy sauce recipes that are also very good. I love the Uncheese Cookbook, for example, and the sauces taste great baked with macaroni or drizzled over baked potatoes. It's just those blocks of vegan cheese you get at the market that don't do much for me. Fortunately they're not necessary.Cheers,Trish So, men are scattered and smeared over the desert grass, And the generals have accomplished nothing. -Nefarious War Li Po (Circa 750) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Well done Trish. IMO cheese and dairy are worse for your health than eating meat. Jo , bantrymoon <bantrymoon wrote: > > I shared with this group when I joined that I wasn't quite a vegan yet, > but was working on it. Well, it looks as if I've crossed the threshhold. > I haven't had dairy in weeks, and I'm loving the plant based way of life. > > Like a lot of us longtime vegetarians, I had a love affair with cheese. > While plant-based milks, yogurt, sour cream and cream cheese are all > pretty tasty, in my opinion vegan " cheeses " aren't. I think I struggled > with becoming vegan because simply substituting vegan cheese in > vegetarian recipes didn't work for me. > > What did the trick was to stop making vegan imitations of vegetarian > dishes. When I make a taco now, I understand it's beans, veggies, salsa, > and maybe a little avocado and/or meat analogs. They're very good, and > because I'm not thinking about them as a cheese dish I don't miss the > cheese. Or I make a big stirfry of veggies and wholegrain noodles and > toss in some tempeh or tofu. All very wonderful without being haunted by > the ghost of dairy. > > Now I should say that there are a lot of great cheezy sauce recipes that > are also very good. I love the Uncheese Cookbook, for example, and the > sauces taste great baked with macaroni or drizzled over baked potatoes. > It's just those blocks of vegan cheese you get at the market that don't > do much for me. Fortunately they're not necessary. > > Cheers, > > Trish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Welcome to Vegan Chat - I hope you enjoy it here. If you feel chatty, please do start a topic or join in. Jo , he_is_buried_in_the_backyard wrote: > > Hello all, first time post 4 me so hope I'm doing this right (my grasp on technology ends with pocket calculators). Lifelong vegetarian and have been working on a vegan diet for the past year. I have not eaten cheese for a good 6 mths and I really miss it. That was the only thing I thought I would struggle with as I had a cheese habit that could have got me en-suite in The Priory. Just took it day by day and if I was craving it badly would have some but in the same instance I have been making myself more ethically aware of how dairy products are produced etc. That really helped me. I agree with some of the vegan cheeses not being so good tho lol. Still, only tried a couple so am sure there is one for me waiting 2 get in2 a sandwich :-D. Good luck 2 anyone struggling. > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > > " Dena Jo " <DenaJo2 > > Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:39:10 > > Re: Moving up the continuum > > > <<Like a lot of us longtime vegetarians, I had a love affair with cheese.>> > > I was never a big fan of gobs of cheese, yet when I gave up dairy, I found myself craving it! According to Neal Barnard, cheese is the hardest animal product for people to give up. > > Dena Jo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Thank you :-)Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device"heartwerk" Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:44:07 -0000 Re: Moving up the continuum Welcome to Vegan Chat - I hope you enjoy it here. If you feel chatty, please do start a topic or join in. Jo , he_is_buried_in_the_backyard wrote: > > Hello all, first time post 4 me so hope I'm doing this right (my grasp on technology ends with pocket calculators). Lifelong vegetarian and have been working on a vegan diet for the past year. I have not eaten cheese for a good 6 mths and I really miss it. That was the only thing I thought I would struggle with as I had a cheese habit that could have got me en-suite in The Priory. Just took it day by day and if I was craving it badly would have some but in the same instance I have been making myself more ethically aware of how dairy products are produced etc. That really helped me. I agree with some of the vegan cheeses not being so good tho lol. Still, only tried a couple so am sure there is one for me waiting 2 get in2 a sandwich :-D. Good luck 2 anyone struggling. > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > > " Dena Jo " <DenaJo2 > > Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:39:10 > > Re: Moving up the continuum > > > <<Like a lot of us longtime vegetarians, I had a love affair with cheese.>> > > I was never a big fan of gobs of cheese, yet when I gave up dairy, I found myself craving it! According to Neal Barnard, cheese is the hardest animal product for people to give up. > > Dena Jo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I used to like cheese but once i decided to become vegan couldn't even fancy eating it again. , bantrymoon <bantrymoon wrote: > > I shared with this group when I joined that I wasn't quite a vegan yet, > but was working on it. Well, it looks as if I've crossed the threshhold. > I haven't had dairy in weeks, and I'm loving the plant based way of life. > > Like a lot of us longtime vegetarians, I had a love affair with cheese. > While plant-based milks, yogurt, sour cream and cream cheese are all > pretty tasty, in my opinion vegan " cheeses " aren't. I think I struggled > with becoming vegan because simply substituting vegan cheese in > vegetarian recipes didn't work for me. > > What did the trick was to stop making vegan imitations of vegetarian > dishes. When I make a taco now, I understand it's beans, veggies, salsa, > and maybe a little avocado and/or meat analogs. They're very good, and > because I'm not thinking about them as a cheese dish I don't miss the > cheese. Or I make a big stirfry of veggies and wholegrain noodles and > toss in some tempeh or tofu. All very wonderful without being haunted by > the ghost of dairy. > > Now I should say that there are a lot of great cheezy sauce recipes that > are also very good. I love the Uncheese Cookbook, for example, and the > sauces taste great baked with macaroni or drizzled over baked potatoes. > It's just those blocks of vegan cheese you get at the market that don't > do much for me. Fortunately they're not necessary. > > Cheers, > > Trish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I like cheese to. Thanks for letting me know that I am not alone. Rocky.--- On Mon, 6/15/09, he_is_buried_in_the_backyard <he_is_buried_in_the_backyard wrote: he_is_buried_in_the_backyard <he_is_buried_in_the_backyardRe: Re: Moving up the continuum Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 2:47 AM Thank you :-) Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device "heartwerk" Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:44:07 -0000<@gro ups.com> Re: Moving up the continuum Welcome to Vegan Chat - I hope you enjoy it here.If you feel chatty, please do start a topic or join in.Jo@gro ups.com, he_is_buried_ in_the_backyard@ ... wrote:>> Hello all, first time post 4 me so hope I'm doing this right (my grasp on technology ends with pocket calculators) . Lifelong vegetarian and have been working on a vegan diet for the past year. I have not eaten cheese for a good 6 mths and I really miss it. That was the only thing I thought I would struggle with as I had a cheese habit that could have got me en-suite in The Priory. Just took it day by day and if I was craving it badly would have some but in the same instance I have been making myself more ethically aware of how dairy products are produced etc. That really helped me. I agree with some of the vegan cheeses not being so good tho lol. Still, only tried a couple so am sure there is one for me waiting 2 get in2 a sandwich :-D. Good luck 2 anyone struggling. > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device> > > "Dena Jo" <DenaJo2 >> > Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:39:10 > <@gro ups.com>> Re: Moving up the continuum> > > <<Like a lot of us longtime vegetarians, I had a love affair with cheese.>>> > I was never a big fan of gobs of cheese, yet when I gave up dairy, I found myself craving it! According to Neal Barnard, cheese is the hardest animal product for people to give up.> > Dena Jo> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 >>>> Just took it day by day and if I was craving it badly would have some but in the same instance I have been making myself more ethically aware of how dairy products are produced etc. That really helped me. <<<< It really helps me, too, to think about the consequences of eating dairy. Compassion is huge, and I wish I could say it motivates me more than it does, so I admire this in you. For me, though, it's the environment. Animal agriculture is hugely damaging to the planet. Large animals pollute local waters. Grain is forced out of marginal lands by chemical treatment so it can be fed to livestock. And, there's the farting. Cattle, especially dairy cows, emit a staggering level of methane, a potent greenhouse gas. Here in Oregon, our scenic Columbia River gorge is actually threatened by one (that's right, singular) large dairy located there! Every time I think about some cheese I used to eat, I just think about the environmental damage I'd be doing. I think vegans are the most mindful eaters on the planet. Cheers, Trish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I was a vegetarian for years for ethical reasons. After studying how dairy and meat are the primary cause for diabetes, cancer, heart disease and a host of other diseases, I never touched dairy again. The evidence is so compelling and exhaustive that I can't believe it isn't in the same category as rat poison. Anyone who hasn't read The China Study, please buy a copy. You can find discounted copies on places like eBay or Half.com. You'll never look at food the same again. And your body will appreciate you for it. If rat poison tasted really, really good, would you still sprinkle it in your dinner? -TerryOn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:34 PM, bantrymoon <bantrymoon wrote: >>>> Just took it day by day and if I was craving it badly would have some but in the same instance I have been making myself more ethically aware of how dairy products are produced etc. That really helped me. <<<< It really helps me, too, to think about the consequences of eating dairy. Compassion is huge, and I wish I could say it motivates me more than it does, so I admire this in you. For me, though, it's the environment. Animal agriculture is hugely damaging to the planet. Large animals pollute local waters. Grain is forced out of marginal lands by chemical treatment so it can be fed to livestock. And, there's the farting. Cattle, especially dairy cows, emit a staggering level of methane, a potent greenhouse gas. Here in Oregon, our scenic Columbia River gorge is actually threatened by one (that's right, singular) large dairy located there! Every time I think about some cheese I used to eat, I just think about the environmental damage I'd be doing. I think vegans are the most mindful eaters on the planet. Cheers, Trish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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