My gripes with dairy!

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Hi everyone,just been reading a few of your comments on dairy , so i thought i would share my veiw. The trouble with dairy is that cows milk isn't what it used to be . Someone talked about you gran living to a ripe old age on dairy and the likes but back then the cows were healthy and happy and fed on natural feeds and people never comsumed too much , like milk shakes, cream on ,and in everything and on and on.. but the cows these days are more or less designed to produce more and more milk the quality and the means of getting it is not an issue, the cow are given ani-biotics and fed un-natural diets to boost production, the feeds contain herbicides and pesticides and all sorts of harmful fretilizers, the dairy corp. is so big that their multi million dollar campaigns can over-ride just about anything. So they get away

with what ever they want and feed the public all sorts of B.. S ... about calcium and how healthy milk is for you , we are too quick to forget that this is the life giving substance to these creatures babies and not ours to flavour chocolate or strawberry.. id better not get started on the inhumane treatment of these poor baby calvs!! any way i think that any one boycoting dairy are doing theirselvs a great benifit and also giving less to the millions of dairy farms who do our wourld harm. See Ya Christy

 

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At 6:59 PM -0700 6/28/09, Christy Hudson wrote:

.....any way i think that any one boycoting dairy are doing

theirselvs a great benifit and also giving less to the millions of

dairy farms who do our wourld harm. See Ya Christy

>>

 

Yes, thinking about how things are produced is a good way to make

choices.

 

A good resource for people who have people in their life who are

not vegan is the http://www.drgreene.com website. He's not vegan, but

he's a pediatrician who gives good reasons for buying organic,

and at the top of his list of what to eat organic is dairy. I wouldn't

recommend that *anyone* eat dairy, but I think reading his reasons may

persuade people to think twice about consuming it. And once they're on

that slippery slope...

 

Anyway, here's his whole list. He makes a point of talking about

how things are produced and what the effects on soil are.

 

Again, I'm not advocating eating anything on his list, and I'm

especially not recommending #1 and #8, just offering a resource for

people around you whose minds may be opened a bit by reading this kind

of thing. (And then you can give them Dr. Campbell's The China Study

if they still cling to dairy, and then have them look up their health

problems on Dr. McDougall's website.)

 

http://www.drgreene.com/21_2155.html

 

1. organic milk

2. organic potatoes

3. organic peanut butter

4. organic baby foods

5. organic catsup (and marinara and pizza sauce)

6. organic cotton

7. organic apples

8. organic beef or replace with plant proteins

9. organic soy

10. organic corn

11. organic wine

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Thanks.

 

FYI. The New York Times ( http://bit.ly/w3Fx6 ) and LA TImes (

http://bit.ly/CoOIT ) Denver Post ( http://bit.ly/tuiqx )published a report a

few weeks ago that over the last 8 months or so, dairies in California and other

places have experienced a reduction in demand for cow milk by 30-50% or so. And

cow milk price reduced by about 30% or so. Some dairy farmers have committed

suicide and others have gone out of business. Some cow milk farmers are

threatening a boycott by instead of selling cow milk, to dump it down the sewage

drain. The last bit seemed a bit hilarious.

 

There was another report of a dairy farmer committing a double homicide and

murder ( http://bit.ly/19LJgw )

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I totally agree with you Christy! Not to mention drinking dairy in general is kind of sick when you think about it. Dairy is meant to be drunk by the babies of the animal that it was produced by. It is high in fat to help the babies  gain weight in a very very short amount of time. It is healthy for the very young, but given that most of us adults have stopped growing we probably don't need something that in nature was meant for this function. At the point that we stop suckling our mothers breast is it sanitary or appetizing to in a sense be sucking on another female's breast? I can't stomach it. ick!Christy Hudson <christyhudson Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:59:09 PM My gripes with dairy!

 

Hi everyone,just been reading a few of your comments on dairy , so i thought i would share my veiw. The trouble with dairy is that cows milk isn't what it used to be . Someone talked about you gran living to  a ripe old age on dairy and the likes but back then the cows were healthy and happy and fed on natural feeds and people never comsumed too much , like milk shakes, cream on ,and in everything and on and on.. but the cows these days are more or less designed to produce more and more milk the quality and the means of getting it is not an issue, the cow are given ani-biotics and fed un-natural diets to boost production, the feeds contain herbicides and pesticides and all sorts of harmful fretilizers, the dairy corp. is so big that their multi million dollar campaigns can over-ride just about anything. So they get away

with what ever they want and feed the public all sorts of B.. S ... about calcium and how healthy milk is for you , we are too quick to forget that this is the life giving substance to these creatures babies and not ours to flavour chocolate or strawberry.. id better not get started on the inhumane treatment of these poor baby calvs!! any way i think that any one boycoting dairy are doing theirselvs a great benifit and also giving less to the millions of dairy farms who do our wourld harm. See Ya Christy

 

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These are such good points.

 

I was the one who talked about not worry so much about health in my

vegan diet because my forebears ate really fatty and salty foods but

lived a long time anyway. I don't do McDougall because of this. A

regular old vegan diet, including meat analogs, is healthy enough for me.

 

But I didn't mean at all to advocate eating meat or dairy. My main

motivation for that is environmental, but you make a good case for the

health risks and the terrible treatment of animals.

 

Trish

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there has been a glut of milk for years. with the advent of rBGH it just adds to it all. dairy farmers produce more milk so the price goes down so they produce more milk to make for it so the price goes down so they produce more milk...

actually, i should say the dairy farmers make the cows produce more milk...

M Jun 29, 2009 2:46 AM Re: My gripes with dairy!

 

 

 

Thanks.FYI. The New York Times ( http://bit.ly/w3Fx6 ) and LA TImes ( http://bit.ly/CoOIT ) Denver Post ( http://bit.ly/tuiqx )published a report a few weeks ago that over the last 8 months or so, dairies in California and other places have experienced a reduction in demand for cow milk by 30-50% or so. And cow milk price reduced by about 30% or so. Some dairy farmers have committed suicide and others have gone out of business. Some cow milk farmers are threatening a boycott by instead of selling cow milk, to dump it down the sewage drain. The last bit seemed a bit hilarious.There was another report of a dairy farmer committing a double homicide and murder ( http://bit.ly/19LJgw )

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, men are scattered and smeared over the desert grass,

And the generals have accomplished nothing.

 

-Nefarious War

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i do find that sad about these destolute farmers but they could start up an organic produce farm or similar...im supprised and glad that the demand for milk is dropping, christy--- On Mon, 29/6/09, M <asynaps wrote:

M <asynaps Re: My gripes with dairy! Received: Monday, 29 June, 2009, 9:46 AM

 

 

Thanks.FYI. The New York Times ( http://bit.ly/ w3Fx6 ) and LA TImes ( http://bit.ly/ CoOIT ) Denver Post ( http://bit.ly/ tuiqx )published a report a few weeks ago that over the last 8 months or so, dairies in California and other places have experienced a reduction in demand for cow milk by 30-50% or so. And cow milk price reduced by about 30% or so. Some dairy farmers have committed suicide and others have gone out of business. Some cow milk farmers are threatening a boycott by instead of selling cow milk, to dump it down the sewage drain. The last bit seemed a bit hilarious.There was another report of a dairy farmer committing a double homicide and murder ( http://bit.ly/ 19LJgw

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a lot of the demand for milk has come from overseas markets, as globalization spread, and new markets were found. don't think of "milk", think of milk products. dried powdered milk, whey, milk soilds, etc.

in recent years the american market has pushed dairy products into regions where there has been little demand (such as china). this fueled the growth of dairy farmeing, and encouraged dairy farmers t o produce more and more. now with the global recession and economic downturn many markets have pulled way back and people are going back to more of their traditional diets. bad for pizza hut and mcdonalds, good for the world and the environment.

Christy Hudson Jun 29, 2009 11:27 PM Re: Re: My gripes with dairy!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i do find that sad about these destolute farmers but they could start up an organic produce farm or similar...im supprised and glad that the demand for milk is dropping, christy--- On Mon, 29/6/09, M <asynaps > wrote:

M <asynaps > Re: My gripes with dairy! Received: Monday, 29 June, 2009, 9:46 AM

 

 

Thanks.FYI. The New York Times ( http://bit.ly/ w3Fx6 ) and LA TImes ( http://bit.ly/ CoOIT ) Denver Post ( http://bit.ly/ tuiqx )published a report a few weeks ago that over the last 8 months or so, dairies in California and other places have experienced a reduction in demand for cow milk by 30-50% or so. And cow milk price reduced by about 30% or so. Some dairy farmers have committed suicide and others have gone out of business. Some cow milk farmers are threatening a boycott by instead of selling cow milk, to dump it down the sewage drain. The last bit seemed a bit hilarious.There was another report of a dairy farmer committing a double homicide and murder ( http://bit.ly/ 19LJgw )

 

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So, men are scattered and smeared over the desert grass,

And the generals have accomplished nothing.

 

-Nefarious War

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