Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 It's a very long article but here is a clip. http://www.womentowomen.com/healthynutrition/soycontroversy.aspx Faulty science and the campaign against soy One of the most important lessons in science and statistics for us to understand is that just because two factors seem related, does not mean one caused the other. Another is that we have to carefully examine how someone reaches their conclusions, because faulty reasoning leads to incorrect answers. So let's look at the reasoning of the people who consider soy unhealthy and see how it stacks up. Many of the most strident anti-soy groups list page after page of resources in support of their claims. To the untrained eye, it might appear as though there is scientific substantiation against soy. But more often than not, they are misrepresenting the research findings. For example, I found that the WAPF listed articles or reports (not necessarily scientific studies) by year, out of context, without listing any other articles that came out that year, making it seem as though that one study was " the truth " for that year. Also, many of the studies on soy showing ambiguous results have been conducted on non-human subjects — usually rats or other rodents. In much the same way dogs can't tolerate chocolate, rodents and humans can't always digest the same foods or substances in the same ways. There are enough similarities that we can learn a lot by experiments in rats, but enough differences that it's important to know up front when rats, not humans, are the test subjects. Sometimes studies in animals give us the only information we have, but we need to be cautious about drawing conclusions from studies based on animal models. From there, the next step is to design a study to see whether the findings apply to humans as well. The WAPF doesn't say that the studies were actually done on rats when they discuss the findings — perhaps because doing so might make their claims seem less believable, without the same results being seen in people. Here's another kind of " sleight of hand " explanation the WAPF gives on their website. A study published in 1997 in the journal Pediatrics suggested that girls in the US are entering puberty at an earlier age than in the past, and here's what the WAPF concluded: (WAPF) Our Comment: The widespread use of soy-based formula, beginning in the 1970's, is a likely explanation for the increase in early maturation in girls. The study indeed came from Pediatrics, published in 1997 — but nowhere in the article's content or summary do the researchers ever link their findings to soy products. Here is how the authors themselves worded their conclusion: Conclusions. These data suggest that girls seen in a sample of pediatric practices from across the United States are developing pubertal characteristics at younger ages than currently used norms. Practitioners may need to revise their criteria for referral of girls with precocious puberty, with attention to racial differences. The fact that more African-American girls were maturing earlier than in the past was one of the researchers' points, in the context that precocious puberty creates social and psychological concerns. But because African-Americans in general have been shown to be more lactose-intolerant, the WAPF leapt to the conclusion that soy must be the culprit without looking at the facts. In statistics, this is called a fallacy, and I could not find any literature to date that supports this idea. In fact, nearly all infant formulas, both cow milk and soy-based, contain corn syrup or sucrose, providing calories that might contribute to obesity — which in girls can lead to early puberty. Unfortunately, this kind of " magical " guesswork can be found all over the internet when it comes to soy — and without good science, many are resorting unnecessarily to scare tactics. The best thing we all can do is adopt a considered approach to the shouting match about soy. For whatever personal, political or economic reasons, there are people out to make misleading, confusing, and downright scary statements about soy — but a wild guess is just not the same thing as a sound conclusion. We can counterbalance the loud, alarmist, but scientifically thin voices against soy with a mass of positive research data that speaks volumes about soy's safety — not to mention the fact that thousands, if not millions, of people consume soy all the time with no ill effects! So let's take the science at face value. While we know that science doesn't always get it right, there is a wealth of research that shows that when eaten in small amounts every day, soy can be an extremely healthy, low-fat, body-beneficial food that gives you lots of protein without a lot of harmful side effects. In other words, the good far outweighs the remote possibility of bad. But just so you can enjoy soy without worry, there are things you may want to know about how best to include soy in your diet, considering both health benefits and concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Thanks for your posts Anouk. It just goes to show what a lot of biased 'information' is given out. Jo - flower child Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:38 PM article on the soy controversy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Thanks for posting. another good source of soy info was the " mayo clinic " . they basically said that all studies on soy and diseases are either inconclusive or have contradictory results. it seems the only reccomendation the mayo clinic gave was to avoid soy formula for babies. of course, i wouldnt feed my babies ANY formula other than breast milk-which is what a child should have. , " flower child " <zurumato wrote: > > It's a very long article but here is a clip. > > > http://www.womentowomen.com/healthynutrition/soycontroversy.aspx > > > Faulty science and the campaign against soy > > One of the most important lessons in science and statistics for us to understand is that just because two factors seem related, does not mean one caused the other. Another is that we have to carefully examine how someone reaches their conclusions, because faulty reasoning leads to incorrect answers. So let's look at the reasoning of the people who consider soy unhealthy and see how it stacks up. > > Many of the most strident anti-soy groups list page after page of resources in support of their claims. To the untrained eye, it might appear as though there is scientific substantiation against soy. But more often than not, they are misrepresenting the research findings. For example, I found that the WAPF listed articles or reports (not necessarily scientific studies) by year, out of context, without listing any other articles that came out that year, making it seem as though that one study was " the truth " for that year. > > Also, many of the studies on soy showing ambiguous results have been conducted on non-human subjects — usually rats or other rodents. In much the same way dogs can't tolerate chocolate, rodents and humans can't always digest the same foods or substances in the same ways. There are enough similarities that we can learn a lot by experiments in rats, but enough differences that it's important to know up front when rats, not humans, are the test subjects. Sometimes studies in animals give us the only information we have, but we need to be cautious about drawing conclusions from studies based on animal models. From there, the next step is to design a study to see whether the findings apply to humans as well. The WAPF doesn't say that the studies were actually done on rats when they discuss the findings — perhaps because doing so might make their claims seem less believable, without the same results being seen in people. > > Here's another kind of " sleight of hand " explanation the WAPF gives on their website. A study published in 1997 in the journal Pediatrics suggested that girls in the US are entering puberty at an earlier age than in the past, and here's what the WAPF concluded: > > (WAPF) Our Comment: The widespread use of soy-based formula, beginning in the 1970's, is a likely explanation for the increase in early maturation in girls. > The study indeed came from Pediatrics, published in 1997 — but nowhere in the article's content or summary do the researchers ever link their findings to soy products. Here is how the authors themselves worded their conclusion: > > Conclusions. These data suggest that girls seen in a sample of pediatric practices from across the United States are developing pubertal characteristics at younger ages than currently used norms. Practitioners may need to revise their criteria for referral of girls with precocious puberty, with attention to racial differences. > The fact that more African-American girls were maturing earlier than in the past was one of the researchers' points, in the context that precocious puberty creates social and psychological concerns. But because African-Americans in general have been shown to be more lactose-intolerant, the WAPF leapt to the conclusion that soy must be the culprit without looking at the facts. In statistics, this is called a fallacy, and I could not find any literature to date that supports this idea. In fact, nearly all infant formulas, both cow milk and soy-based, contain corn syrup or sucrose, providing calories that might contribute to obesity — which in girls can lead to early puberty. Unfortunately, this kind of " magical " guesswork can be found all over the internet when it comes to soy — and without good science, many are resorting unnecessarily to scare tactics. > > The best thing we all can do is adopt a considered approach to the shouting match about soy. For whatever personal, political or economic reasons, there are people out to make misleading, confusing, and downright scary statements about soy — but a wild guess is just not the same thing as a sound conclusion. We can counterbalance the loud, alarmist, but scientifically thin voices against soy with a mass of positive research data that speaks volumes about soy's safety — not to mention the fact that thousands, if not millions, of people consume soy all the time with no ill effects! > > So let's take the science at face value. While we know that science doesn't always get it right, there is a wealth of research that shows that when eaten in small amounts every day, soy can be an extremely healthy, low-fat, body-beneficial food that gives you lots of protein without a lot of harmful side effects. In other words, the good far outweighs the remote possibility of bad. > > But just so you can enjoy soy without worry, there are things you may want to know about how best to include soy in your diet, considering both health benefits and concerns. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 It's a bit quiet on here lately !!??!! Where is everyone??? What have you been doing? What music have you been listening to? What books have you been reading? Any news? I have been going to work, and clearing out a few things at home - I always do my spring cleaning in the autumn. I have been listening to Dream Theater, Opeth, Kamelot, and Freedom Call. I have recently finished reading 'Let the Right One In' by John Adjvide Lindqvist, and have started reading 'The Magician' by Trudy Canavan. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Hey there,I've been swamped with masters program work. I have so much work and then on top of that they're making me do a presentation on Marzano...ick! presenting to kids is easy but to other adults um worst nightmare!!jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork Sent: Tue, October 6, 2009 10:19:40 AMRe: article on the soy controversy It's a bit quiet on here lately !!??!! Where is everyone??? What have you been doing? What music have you been listening to? What books have you been reading? Any news? I have been going to work, and clearing out a few things at home - I always do my spring cleaning in the autumn. I have been listening to Dream Theater, Opeth, Kamelot, and Freedom Call. I have recently finished reading 'Let the Right One In' by John Adjvide Lindqvist, and have started reading 'The Magician' by Trudy Canavan. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 >>>> I have been going to work, and clearing out a few things at home - I always do my spring cleaning in the autumn. <<<< My hat's off to you. Cleaning house isn't one of my strong suits, but I admire it when I see it. >>>> I have been listening to Dream Theater, Opeth, Kamelot, and Freedom Call. <<<< Sounds interesting! We've also been to plays here in Portland, OR -- a play based on Kafka's A Country Doctor, and Ruby Sunrise, about a young woman in the 1920's who's an engineering whiz and invents television, but was born a woman way too soon for anyone to take her seriously. >>>> I have recently finished reading 'Let the Right One In' by John Adjvide Lindqvist, and have started reading 'The Magician' by Trudy Canavan. <<<< I saw the film for the first, about a 12-year-old boy and a vampire. Chilling! I don't know the other book, I'll have to look for it. I've been requesting books from the Indie Bound list from my local library and alternating these with murder mysteries. I just finished The Sister, by Poppy Adams, an Inspector Wexford mystery, and a few novels with a knitting theme. What's your weather like at the moment? We've got crisp, cool, clear autumn days, and the leaves are just starting to turn color. Cheers, -- Trish Carr http://home.comcast.net/~bantrymoon/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 warm weather just ended only around 70F during the day now first big rain of the season due next week bantrymoon Oct 8, 2009 9:48 PM Re: article on the soy controversy What's your weather like at the moment? We've got crisp, cool, clear autumn days, and the leaves are just starting to turn color.Cheers,-- Trish Carrhttp://home.comcast.net/~bantrymoon/ And everyone got excited about the technology. And I guess it was pretty incredible watching a missile fly down an air-vent. Pretty unbeliveable. But couldn't we feasibly use that same technology to shoot food at hungry people? You know what I mean? Fly over Ethiopia, "There's a guy that needs a banana.Shooooooooooooom" the Stealth Banana Smart Fruit! Bill Hicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I'm in Pennsylvania right now, but will be home Saturday,Patricia--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Sarah Tomecek <sarah.tomecek wrote:Sarah Tomecek <sarah.tomecekRe: article on the soy controversy Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 4:26 PM Hey there,I've been swamped with masters program work. I have so much work and then on top of that they're making me do a presentation on Marzano...ick! presenting to kids is easy but to other adults um worst nightmare!!jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork Sent: Tue, October 6, 2009 10:19:40 AMRe: article on the soy controversy It's a bit quiet on here lately !!??!! Where is everyone??? What have you been doing? What music have you been listening to? What books have you been reading? Any news? I have been going to work, and clearing out a few things at home - I always do my spring cleaning in the autumn. I have been listening to Dream Theater, Opeth, Kamelot, and Freedom Call. I have recently finished reading 'Let the Right One In' by John Adjvide Lindqvist, and have started reading 'The Magician' by Trudy Canavan. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009  LOL - only 70! When I said our weather had been warm, I meant it was about 68, which is warm for the time of year here. Jo - fraggle Friday, October 09, 2009 3:15 AM Re: Re: article on the soy controversy warm weather just ended only around 70F during the day now first big rain of the season due next week bantrymoon Oct 8, 2009 9:48 PM Re: article on the soy controversy What's your weather like at the moment? We've got crisp, cool, clear autumn days, and the leaves are just starting to turn color.Cheers,-- Trish Carrhttp://home.comcast.net/~bantrymoon/ And everyone got excited about the technology. And I guess it was pretty incredible watching a missile fly down an air-vent. Pretty unbeliveable. But couldn't we feasibly use that same technology to shoot food at hungry people? You know what I mean? Fly over Ethiopia, "There's a guy that needs a banana.Shooooooooooooom" the Stealth Banana Smart Fruit! Bill Hicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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