Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Yarrow write: I've found it's not "safe" to mention veganism on other lists or forums because invariably some wapf troll will start ranting.I recently had a situation on another list that got quite heated. One person said that I would suddenly just keel over and die one of these days with no warning.Patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I can't understand the hostility. Do you think that it has to do with judgment? Not so much on our parts, but that they feel they are being judged, so they get defensive from the start. I also home school my son and I seem to get that a lot from parents who choose to send their kids to school. I mean, frankly, I couldn't give a damn if someone else homeschools or not, but boy, they have an opinion about what I do!! And I run into the same hostility when vegan gets mentioned. BTW, homeschooling vegan family is almost an oxymoron!Vicky "Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to a man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures."-Dalai Lama of Tibet, His Holiness, The XIV Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 2:27:28 PM veganism Yarrow write: I've found it's not "safe" to mention veganism on other lists or forums because invariably some wapf troll will start ranting.I recently had a situation on another list that got quite heated. One person said that I would suddenly just keel over and die one of these days with no warning.Patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Yarrow wrote: I've found it's not " safe " to mention veganism on other lists or forums because invariably some wapf troll will start ranting. At 12:27 PM -0800 2/15/10, Patricia wrote: I recently had a situation on another list that got quite heated. One person said that I would suddenly just keel over and die one of these days with no warning. >> yarrow replies: I just laugh to myself when the ranters start up. It's a waste of time to engage and I don't read the rants, if they really get going. If I've had a chance to post one link or mention one book, I content myself that I've planted a seed for anyone who may actually be interested in following up. And I do think along the lines of what Katie said... At 3:46 PM +0000 2/15/10, Katie wrote: On the bright side, >natural selection will eventually eliminate those who are incapable of >taking responsibility for themselves by way of cancers and diseases. >Unfortunately it may take a while. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 the obvious answer to that response is "yes, from the weight of sheer idiocy and ridiculous stubborness from close minded people. its a wonder i've survived this long really. must be my healthy diet" too cynical? it must be the lack of sleep back to cleaning out the tap lines Patricia Feb 15, 2010 3:27 PM veganism Yarrow write: I've found it's not "safe" to mention veganism on other lists or forums because invariably some wapf troll will start ranting. I recently had a situation on another list that got quite heated. One person said that I would suddenly just keel over and die one of these days with no warning.Patricia "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I can't figure out why some people re-act the way they do; it's really strange.Patricia--- On Mon, 2/15/10, damiensmom <damiensmom1995 wrote:damiensmom <damiensmom1995Re: veganism Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 12:56 PM I can't understand the hostility. Do you think that it has to do with judgment? Not so much on our parts, but that they feel they are being judged, so they get defensive from the start. I also home school my son and I seem to get that a lot from parents who choose to send their kids to school. I mean, frankly, I couldn't give a damn if someone else homeschools or not, but boy, they have an opinion about what I do!! And I run into the same hostility when vegan gets mentioned. BTW, homeschooling vegan family is almost an oxymoron!Vicky "Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to a man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures."-Dalai Lama of Tibet, His Holiness, The XIV Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 2:27:28 PM veganism Yarrow write: I've found it's not "safe" to mention veganism on other lists or forums because invariably some wapf troll will start ranting.I recently had a situation on another list that got quite heated. One person said that I would suddenly just keel over and die one of these days with no warning.Patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I don't know if it's necessarily strange per se. In fact it's pretty common. Many people are simply insecure and take any difference of opinion as an attack. Others don't understand change and see your way of life to be a challenge to what they've always been taught. While still others fear anarchy and that you are a rebel, someone who opposes what they've interpreted from their doctors and other health care professionals. The FDA, the USDA and other government authorities have told everyone that they need to eat meat and eggs and drink milk. You're not doing that so you are WRONG. If you're wrong then that means Mr. General Public is right! This gives him a chance to point a finger at someone else so that his own insecurities are not in the limelight. " Nevermind that I smoke, drink, beat my wife, mentally abuse my children, etc. Look at him, he's VEGAN! " We live in a world which glorifies the most atrocious behaviors so it stands to reason that if you oppose any of them then you will be stoned and crucified. I deal with this type of close-mindedness every time I leave the house. Katie , Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote: > > I can't figure out why some people re-act the way they do; it's really strange. > Patricia > > --- On Mon, 2/15/10, damiensmom <damiensmom1995 wrote: > > damiensmom <damiensmom1995 > Re: veganism > > Monday, February 15, 2010, 12:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > I can't understand the hostility. Do you think that it has to do with judgment? Not so much on our parts, but that they feel they are being judged, so they get defensive from the start. I also home school my son and I seem to get that a lot from parents who choose to send their kids to school. I mean, frankly, I couldn't give a damn if someone else homeschools or not, but boy, they have an opinion about what I do!! And I run into the same hostility when vegan gets mentioned. BTW, homeschooling vegan family is almost an oxymoron! > > Vicky > > > " Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to a man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to > live and not to die, so do other creatures. " > > -Dalai Lama of Tibet, His Holiness, The XIV > > > > > Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 > > Mon, February 15, 2010 2:27:28 PM > veganism > > > Yarrow write: I've > found it's not " safe " to mention veganism on other lists or forums > because invariably some wapf troll will start ranting. > I recently had a situation on another list that got quite heated. One person said that I would suddenly just keel over and die one of these days with no warning. > > Patricia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 LOL - it's amazing how eager some people are to show their stupidity! Someone at work once said to me 'you can't live without milk, can you?' - my answer was 'well, apparently I can'. Jo , Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote: > > Yarrow write: I've > found it's not " safe " to mention veganism on other lists or forums > because invariably some wapf troll will start ranting. > I recently had a situation on another list that got quite heated. One person said that I would suddenly just keel over and die one of these days with no warning. > > Patricia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Nothing wrong with cynical, Fraggle - could just be wisdom. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Jo wrote:Someone at work once said to me 'you can't live without milk, can you?' - my answer was 'well, apparently I can'.Me:I've had pretty severe asthma since around my 20th birthday (i had it prior to that, but it got worse over time). I've been taking some pretty heavy-duty meds for it. I still need those meds, but we're hoping (by "we" I mean my doctor and I) to reduce or eliminate some of them, including meds that were prescribed for side effects from the asthma meds. How is this relevant to the above snippet of conversation? I'm sure that my overall health improved dramatically after just eliminating meat from diet, but when I took it a step further and eliminated dairy, I felt even better. I still have asthma and it still isn't great, but it's improving a little. And every little bit counts. So for me, not only can I live without milk, but I am healthier and feel better without it.Missie Harholdand Gracie the Ibizan Houndand Jeanie the Greyhoundgreyhounddog"Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to a man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures." -Dalai Lama of Tibet, His Holiness, The XIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 It's interesting you mention this. My husband LOVED milk, well, dairy in general. Prior to eliminating dairy from our diets, he had persistent sinus drainage that would wake up the babies during the night when he would clear his throat (I've been advised that men are incapable of doing this quietly). He was a sinus spray junkie as a result. We've had trial runs in the past of removing dairy to see if there was an improvement and there wasbut he would never stick to it. But now that we've jumped off the deep end and gone vegan (35 days now - almost feels like a recovery program, LOL) our dear babes remain submerged in sweet slumber. Katie , NATASHA HARHOLD <greyhounddog wrote: > > Jo wrote: > Someone at work once said to me 'you can't live without milk, can you?' - my answer was 'well, apparently I can'. > > > Me: > I've had pretty severe asthma since around my 20th birthday (i had it prior to that, but it got worse over time). I've been taking some pretty heavy-duty meds for it. I still need those meds, but we're hoping (by " we " I mean my doctor and I) to reduce or eliminate some of them, including meds that were prescribed for side effects from the asthma meds. How is this relevant to the above snippet of conversation? I'm sure that my overall health improved dramatically after just eliminating meat from diet, but when I took it a step further and eliminated dairy, I felt even better. I still have asthma and it still isn't great, but it's improving a little. And every little bit counts. So for me, not only can I live without milk, but I am healthier and feel better without it. > > > > Missie Harhold > and Gracie the Ibizan Hound > and Jeanie the Greyhound > greyhounddog > > > > " Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to a man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. " > > -Dalai Lama of Tibet, His Holiness, The XIV > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 "you can't live without milk, can you?" *looks down at self* hmmm.i don't see hooves...were you calling me a cow? are you saying i'm bovine like? omg you are! *runs away to cry* (let em chew on that one fer awhile) heartwerk Feb 17, 2010 2:44 AM Re: veganism LOL - it's amazing how eager some people are to show their stupidity! Someone at work once said to me 'you can't live without milk, can you?' - my answer was 'well, apparently I can'.Jo , Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote:>> Yarrow write: I've > found it's not "safe" to mention veganism on other lists or forums > because invariably some wapf troll will start ranting.> I recently had a situation on another list that got quite heated. One person said that I would suddenly just keel over and die one of these days with no warning.> > Patricia> You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I remember reading the story of Daniel, in the Bible, living on vegetables and water for 10 days while the king's men ate their regular rich diet and Daniel and his friends being very healthy at the end of the 10 days and I thought that must be a true miracle.Patricia--- On Tue, 2/16/10, heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:heartwerk <jo.heartwork Re: veganism Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 11:44 PMLOL - it's amazing how eager some people are to show their stupidity! Someone at work once said to me 'you can't live without milk, can you?' - my answer was 'well, apparently I can'.Jo , Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote:>> Yarrow write: I've > found it's not "safe" to mention veganism on other lists or forums > because invariably some wapf troll will start ranting.> I recently had a situation on another list that got quite heated. One person said that I would suddenly just keel over and die one of these days with no warning.> > Patricia>---To send an email to -! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: /<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: /join ( ID required)<*> To change settings via email: -digest -fullfeatured <*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I frankly have always hated milk. When I first tried soy milk, it tasted exactly like I thought milk should taste like, and doesn't.On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: " you can't live without milk, can you? " *looks down at self* hmmm.i don't see hooves...were you calling me a cow? are you saying i'm bovine like? omg you are! *runs away to cry* (let em chew on that one fer awhile) heartwerk Feb 17, 2010 2:44 AM Re: veganism LOL - it's amazing how eager some people are to show their stupidity! Someone at work once said to me 'you can't live without milk, can you?' - my answer was 'well, apparently I can'.Jo , Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote:>> Yarrow write: I've > found it's not " safe " to mention veganism on other lists or forums > because invariably some wapf troll will start ranting.> I recently had a situation on another list that got quite heated. One person said that I would suddenly just keel over and die one of these days with no warning. > > Patricia> You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me! -- AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.comhttp://timeladydesigns.etsy.com ~Boston_GothicBoston_MysticBoston-Pagans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 I think milk is bad for the whole respiratory system. You may find that the longer you go without milk, the less severe your asthma becomes. Jo , NATASHA HARHOLD <greyhounddog wrote: > > Jo wrote: > Someone at work once said to me 'you can't live without milk, can you?' - my answer was 'well, apparently I can'. > > > Me: > I've had pretty severe asthma since around my 20th birthday (i had it prior to that, but it got worse over time). I've been taking some pretty heavy-duty meds for it. I still need those meds, but we're hoping (by " we " I mean my doctor and I) to reduce or eliminate some of them, including meds that were prescribed for side effects from the asthma meds. How is this relevant to the above snippet of conversation? I'm sure that my overall health improved dramatically after just eliminating meat from diet, but when I took it a step further and eliminated dairy, I felt even better. I still have asthma and it still isn't great, but it's improving a little. And every little bit counts. So for me, not only can I live without milk, but I am healthier and feel better without it. > > > > Missie Harhold > and Gracie the Ibizan Hound > and Jeanie the Greyhound > greyhounddog > > > > " Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to a man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. " > > -Dalai Lama of Tibet, His Holiness, The XIV > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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