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I have changed my views on this quite radically over the years. I now

believe that if something helps someone to become vegetarian or vegan if

they really want to, then it is a good thing. I became vegetarian in 1967

because I didn't like meat and I didn't like the thought of eating animals.

I could see no point in eating foods made to look like meat. I recently

became vegan because it seemed like the right thing to do. I still

occasionally miss cheese and yoghurt and have found it easier to avoid

substitutes altogether rather than be disappointed. However if someone made

a vegan parmesan cheese that actually tasted like the real thing, I would

buy it in a heartbeat.

Christie

 

2009/12/7 Annie Littlewolf <mkdebord

 

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>

> Hi! I TRULY don't mean this as a flame, but as a discussion starter. If I

> go veggie for humane, moral reasons, then should I eat veggie foods made to

> look like the foods I'm avoiding? Somehow it seems wrong to me. If however,

> you are doing it for health reasons, then I can see doing it. What do you

> all think?

> Annie, who is vegan for humane, moral reasons

>

>

 

 

 

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Last year I got into a heated argument when I was on a vegan

group on this very same topic, so I'm venturing with trepidation here.

 

If you feel that your conscience doesn't allow you to eat meat substitutes,

then by all means don't do it. I eat meat substitutes. I am a lacto-ovo

vegetarian, so I do dairy and eggs. I worked with a man that wouldn't eat

mushrooms because they derived their nutrients from other plants. Most

vegans don't eat honey. To each his own.

 

I think what annoys me most with vegans and vegetarians is how hardline they

can be about it. I don't eat meat because of religious/ethical reasons, but

I don't force my views on others. I personally don't care if others eat

meat. I'm not going to tell them how wrong it is to eat it because that's my

conviction.

 

I say, do what you feel. I understand where you're coming from, but you have

the freedom to eat what you want. Some people on the group I was on before

just slammed me because I asked for a recipe for veggie bacon. I wanted it

because I wanted to cook something healthier for my family, but these

radical nuts accused me of not being " Christian " because I was going against

my convictions of eating meat. I am still pretty peeved about that, so I

will leave that rant alone :)

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Annie Littlewolf <mkdebordwrote:

 

>

>

> Hi! I TRULY don't mean this as a flame, but as a discussion starter. If I

> go veggie for humane, moral reasons, then should I eat veggie foods made to

> look like the foods I'm avoiding? Somehow it seems wrong to me. If however,

> you are doing it for health reasons, then I can see doing it. What do you

> all think?

> Annie, who is vegan for humane, moral reasons

>

>

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Hi,

 

I'm ovo lacto veg. I have no problem eating foods that look like

what I'm avoiding. I'm not eating meat. I'm not hurting any

animals because I eat tofu or seitan that is shaped to look like

a frankfurter. If you are uncomfortable doing that, don't do it.

Each to his or her own mental or emotional needs or decisions.

I just try to follow: " An it harm none do what ye will. "

Harm may have many definitions however and my " none "

just happens to include animals, fish, the " fauna " part

of the world assuming I have the definition of that right.

 

 

Gary

 

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Annie Littlewolf <mkdebordwrote:

 

>

>

> Hi! I TRULY don't mean this as a flame, but as a discussion starter. If I

> go veggie for humane, moral reasons, then should I eat veggie foods made to

> look like the foods I'm avoiding? Somehow it seems wrong to me. If however,

> you are doing it for health reasons, then I can see doing it. What do you

> all think?

> Annie, who is vegan for humane, moral reasons

>

 

 

 

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just for the record...., things shaped like a nugget, patty, loaf, strip,stick,

etc are simply refering to the shape...some meats just happen to be made into

these shapes...and if you eat veggie foods in these shapes it simply means you

are eating veggie foods fashioned into a specific shape..just mho

 

 

, Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm ovo lacto veg. I have no problem eating foods that look like

> what I'm avoiding. I'm not eating meat. I'm not hurting any

> animals because I eat tofu or seitan that is shaped to look like

> a frankfurter. If you are uncomfortable doing that, don't do it.

> Each to his or her own mental or emotional needs or decisions.

> I just try to follow: " An it harm none do what ye will. "

> Harm may have many definitions however and my " none "

> just happens to include animals, fish, the " fauna " part

> of the world assuming I have the definition of that right.

>

>

> Gary

>

>

> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Annie Littlewolf <mkdebordwrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi! I TRULY don't mean this as a flame, but as a discussion starter. If I

> > go veggie for humane, moral reasons, then should I eat veggie foods made to

> > look like the foods I'm avoiding? Somehow it seems wrong to me. If however,

> > you are doing it for health reasons, then I can see doing it. What do you

> > all think?

> > Annie, who is vegan for humane, moral reasons

> >

>

>

>

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If it weren't for the replacements my husband would not have started his

journey to becoming a vegetarian. Now he only eats meat on business

meetings or travel where vegetarian isn't convenient. This is a far cry

from the man that told me " NO WAY " .

 

I don't mind the " chicken breast " replacements but I do have to say that the

Tofurky whole Turkey freaked me out a bit when I saw it at the store. That

was too much for me personally.

 

Linda

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I agree. Besides which a long cylindrical piece of tofu fits a lot better on a

pre-made hot dog bun than something shaped like, um, an octagon or a giant

sphere. ;<)

 

Gary

 

 

 

 

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DanielleB <mylameoww

 

Tue, December 8, 2009 9:15:29 AM

[veg_grp] Re: Tofu McNuggets

 

just for the record...., things shaped like a nugget, patty, loaf, strip,stick,

etc are simply refering to the shape...some meats just happen to be made into

these shapes...and if you eat veggie foods in these shapes it simply means you

are eating veggie foods fashioned into a specific shape..just mho

 

 

, Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm ovo lacto veg. I have no problem eating foods that look like

> what I'm avoiding. I'm not eating meat. I'm not hurting any

> animals because I eat tofu or seitan that is shaped to look like

> a frankfurter. If you are uncomfortable doing that, don't do it.

> Each to his or her own mental or emotional needs or decisions.

> I just try to follow: " An it harm none do what ye will. "

> Harm may have many definitions however and my " none "

> just happens to include animals, fish, the " fauna " part

> of the world assuming I have the definition of that right.

>

>

> Gary

>

 

 

 

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