Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 SURRENDER* Without any conditions, Irreversibly, Absolutely, Offer your poor petty mind, And arrogant ego, To the Great Power that knows the way Your own Divine Source! And happily merge in that bliss. To attain flourishing immortal life In which Death is no more, The non-dual Truth, The state of Great Silence, There is no other means Than making the great sacrifice Of total, complete, self Surrender! Thus, to be absorbed Through Surrender of the self to the Self, Is to attain the Supreme Truth. Whatever happens let it happen, Whatever does not happen, Let it not happen, A sadakh with this attitude Will be well established in the Self. *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar’s Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. Alan Jacobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Hi So lovely to read all your past words on surrender, a doing / non doing of true spiritual authenticity, Ramana once again points the true way. There seems to come a point when the surrender to a HIM / SELF " outside " looses its credibility, as one is aware, at least to some degree and experience, that there is no separation from SELF at all and no existence other than that. Still surrender continues even at this point, surrendering just because it is the true way to full realisation and liberation, to surrender that which remains still ignorant of SELF and unsurrendered. And at first, it oftened seemed the surrender of the illusory possessions of ego, and then, the very will of the ego itself, its deepest fears, that which causes feelings of very heavy dread and finally it seems, it's fear of its own death. Is that making any sense? What is for sure, as has been said, this way of unconditional surrendering in heart is the way to unconditional compassion, that already is, but has been covered up. Peace and love Raph , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > SURRENDER* > > Without any conditions, > Irreversibly, > Absolutely, > Offer your poor petty mind, > And arrogant ego, > To the Great Power that knows the way > Your own Divine Source! > And happily merge in that bliss. > > To attain flourishing immortal life > In which Death is no more, > The non-dual Truth, > The state of Great Silence, > There is no other means > Than making the great sacrifice > Of total, complete, self Surrender! > Thus, to be absorbed > Through Surrender of the self to the Self, > Is to attain the Supreme Truth. > > Whatever happens let it happen, > Whatever does not happen, > Let it not happen, > A sadakh with this attitude > Will be well established in the Self. > > *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's > Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. > > Alan Jacobs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Dear Raph, These words I quoted below are based on Muraganar's Padamalai- the record of Bhagavan's utterances set out in aphoristic form. It covers the whole field of surrender and enquiry. It is one of the best books, for me at any rate, in the Ramana literature. It is available from the Ashram book depot. All will be well with persistence. There is a chapter on difficulties in Self Enquiry, some similar to your description in David Godman's book 'Be As You Are'. This , I think you would find helpful. All best wishes and warm regards, Alan --- Raph <beingnothing00 wrote: > Hi > > So lovely to read all your past words on surrender, a doing / non > doing of true spiritual authenticity, Ramana once again points the > true way. > > There seems to come a point when the surrender to a HIM / > SELF " outside " looses its credibility, as one is aware, at least to > some degree and experience, that there is no separation from SELF at > all and no existence other than that. Still surrender continues even > at this point, surrendering just because it is the true way to full > realisation and liberation, to surrender that which remains still > ignorant of SELF and unsurrendered. > > And at first, it oftened seemed the surrender of the illusory > possessions of ego, and then, the very will of the ego itself, its > deepest fears, that which causes feelings of very heavy dread and > finally it seems, it's fear of its own death. > > Is that making any sense? > > What is for sure, as has been said, this way of unconditional > surrendering in heart is the way to unconditional compassion, that > already is, but has been covered up. > > Peace and love > Raph > > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > > > SURRENDER* > > > > Without any conditions, > > Irreversibly, > > Absolutely, > > Offer your poor petty mind, > > And arrogant ego, > > To the Great Power that knows the way > > Your own Divine Source! > > And happily merge in that bliss. > > > > To attain flourishing immortal life > > In which Death is no more, > > The non-dual Truth, > > The state of Great Silence, > > There is no other means > > Than making the great sacrifice > > Of total, complete, self Surrender! > > Thus, to be absorbed > > Through Surrender of the self to the Self, > > Is to attain the Supreme Truth. > > > > Whatever happens let it happen, > > Whatever does not happen, > > Let it not happen, > > A sadakh with this attitude > > Will be well established in the Self. > > > > *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's > > Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. > > > > Alan Jacobs > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Hi Alan Many thanks for the suggestions and for your kind wishes. Will try and get hold of those books, especially Muraganar's text. I've been pondering on those words, " all will be well with persistance " . The thought came to mind, " true, providing the approach remains appropriate " . What I've experienced directly is that certain things require a deeper level of surrender than was previously required and once this is so, then the causeless peace and contentment is regained in the here and now, then quite effortlessly it seems. Peace and love Raph , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Raph, > > These words I quoted below are based on Muraganar's Padamalai- the record > of Bhagavan's utterances set out in aphoristic form. It covers the whole > field of surrender and enquiry. It is one of the best books, for me at any > rate, in the Ramana literature. It is available from the Ashram book > depot. > > All will be well with persistence. > > There is a chapter on difficulties in Self Enquiry, some similar to your > description in David Godman's book 'Be As You Are'. This , I think you > would find helpful. > > All best wishes and warm regards, > > Alan > > --- Raph <beingnothing00 wrote: > > > Hi > > > > So lovely to read all your past words on surrender, a doing / non > > doing of true spiritual authenticity, Ramana once again points the > > true way. > > > > There seems to come a point when the surrender to a HIM / > > SELF " outside " looses its credibility, as one is aware, at least to > > some degree and experience, that there is no separation from SELF at > > all and no existence other than that. Still surrender continues even > > at this point, surrendering just because it is the true way to full > > realisation and liberation, to surrender that which remains still > > ignorant of SELF and unsurrendered. > > > > And at first, it oftened seemed the surrender of the illusory > > possessions of ego, and then, the very will of the ego itself, its > > deepest fears, that which causes feelings of very heavy dread and > > finally it seems, it's fear of its own death. > > > > Is that making any sense? > > > > What is for sure, as has been said, this way of unconditional > > surrendering in heart is the way to unconditional compassion, that > > already is, but has been covered up. > > > > Peace and love > > Raph > > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > > > SURRENDER* > > > > > > Without any conditions, > > > Irreversibly, > > > Absolutely, > > > Offer your poor petty mind, > > > And arrogant ego, > > > To the Great Power that knows the way > > > Your own Divine Source! > > > And happily merge in that bliss. > > > > > > To attain flourishing immortal life > > > In which Death is no more, > > > The non-dual Truth, > > > The state of Great Silence, > > > There is no other means > > > Than making the great sacrifice > > > Of total, complete, self Surrender! > > > Thus, to be absorbed > > > Through Surrender of the self to the Self, > > > Is to attain the Supreme Truth. > > > > > > Whatever happens let it happen, > > > Whatever does not happen, > > > Let it not happen, > > > A sadakh with this attitude > > > Will be well established in the Self. > > > > > > *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's > > > Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. > > > > > > Alan Jacobs > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Dear Raph, 'All will be well, very, very well!' is a phrase coined by St. Juliana of Norwich the famed English mediaeval mystic and anchorite. It signifies that ultimately WITH PERSISTENT sadhana or spiritual practice, then enlightenment, or deliverance from the thralldom of samsara will be assured. Of course her language was Christian Mysticism rather than Hindu. I agree. Surrender has to be really deep to be effective. When you receive Padamalai , I would be interested to share your views. All best wishes, In His Grace, Alan --- Raph <beingnothing00 wrote: > Hi Alan > > Many thanks for the suggestions and for your kind wishes. > > Will try and get hold of those books, especially Muraganar's text. > > I've been pondering on those words, " all will be well with > persistance " . > > The thought came to mind, " true, providing the approach remains > appropriate " . > > What I've experienced directly is that certain things require a > deeper level of surrender than was previously required and once this > is so, then the causeless peace and contentment is regained in the > here and now, then quite effortlessly it seems. > > Peace and love > Raph > > > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > > > Dear Raph, > > > > These words I quoted below are based on Muraganar's Padamalai- the > record > > of Bhagavan's utterances set out in aphoristic form. It covers the > whole > > field of surrender and enquiry. It is one of the best books, for > me at any > > rate, in the Ramana literature. It is available from the Ashram > book > > depot. > > > > All will be well with persistence. > > > > There is a chapter on difficulties in Self Enquiry, some similar > to your > > description in David Godman's book 'Be As You Are'. This , I think > you > > would find helpful. > > > > All best wishes and warm regards, > > > > Alan > > > > --- Raph <beingnothing00 wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > So lovely to read all your past words on surrender, a doing / > non > > > doing of true spiritual authenticity, Ramana once again points > the > > > true way. > > > > > > There seems to come a point when the surrender to a HIM / > > > SELF " outside " looses its credibility, as one is aware, at least > to > > > some degree and experience, that there is no separation from > SELF at > > > all and no existence other than that. Still surrender continues > even > > > at this point, surrendering just because it is the true way to > full > > > realisation and liberation, to surrender that which remains > still > > > ignorant of SELF and unsurrendered. > > > > > > And at first, it oftened seemed the surrender of the illusory > > > possessions of ego, and then, the very will of the ego itself, > its > > > deepest fears, that which causes feelings of very heavy dread > and > > > finally it seems, it's fear of its own death. > > > > > > Is that making any sense? > > > > > > What is for sure, as has been said, this way of unconditional > > > surrendering in heart is the way to unconditional compassion, > that > > > already is, but has been covered up. > > > > > > Peace and love > > > Raph > > > > > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > > > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > > > > > SURRENDER* > > > > > > > > Without any conditions, > > > > Irreversibly, > > > > Absolutely, > > > > Offer your poor petty mind, > > > > And arrogant ego, > > > > To the Great Power that knows the way > > > > Your own Divine Source! > > > > And happily merge in that bliss. > > > > > > > > To attain flourishing immortal life > > > > In which Death is no more, > > > > The non-dual Truth, > > > > The state of Great Silence, > > > > There is no other means > > > > Than making the great sacrifice > > > > Of total, complete, self Surrender! > > > > Thus, to be absorbed > > > > Through Surrender of the self to the Self, > > > > Is to attain the Supreme Truth. > > > > > > > > Whatever happens let it happen, > > > > Whatever does not happen, > > > > Let it not happen, > > > > A sadakh with this attitude > > > > Will be well established in the Self. > > > > > > > > *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's > > > > Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. > > > > > > > > Alan Jacobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Dear Alan I had some doubt about the use of the term " St. Juliana " in this post, and wrote to The main Anglo-Catholic church of Norwich, who have just sent me this reply (bold emphasis is mine): Dear Michael Julian of Norwich has never been canonised by any denomination within Christianity. She is best known as The Lady Julian or Mother Julian or Dame Julian. The confusion comes from the fact that when she became an anchoress after her revelations in 1373 she lived in a cell attached to St. Julian's Church, Norwich. This Saint Julian was Bishop of Le Mans in France, where his shrine is to this day. He was certainly a man and was certainly a Roman Catholic Bishop! The Lady Julian, whose real name we do not know, took her name Julian as a 'Religious Name' from the saint of the Church where she was to live for over 40 years. Juliana is a corruption by those who wish to stress the feminine side of her life and work and is not to be entertained! Best wishes, Fr Martin Smith I'm sure you wouldn't want your electronic output to be contaminated with inaccuracies. Regards -Michael- , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Raph, > > 'All will be well, very, very well!' is a phrase coined by St. Juliana of > Norwich the famed English mediaeval mystic and anchorite. It signifies > that ultimately WITH PERSISTENT sadhana or spiritual practice, then > enlightenment, or deliverance from the thralldom of samsara will be > assured. Of course her language was Christian Mysticism rather than Hindu. > > All best wishes, > > In His Grace, > > Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Dear Michael, I am most grateful for this information. It fills a gap in my knowledge, and corrects some misunderstanding. Renewed thanks, Alan --- MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere wrote: > Dear Alan > I had some doubt about the use of the term " St. Juliana " in this post, > and wrote to The main Anglo-Catholic church of Norwich, who have just > sent me this reply (bold emphasis is mine): > > Dear Michael > > Julian of Norwich has never been canonised by any denomination within > Christianity. She is best known as The Lady Julian or Mother Julian or > Dame Julian. The confusion comes from the fact that when she became an > anchoress after her revelations in 1373 she lived in a cell attached to > St. Julian's Church, Norwich. This Saint Julian was Bishop of Le Mans > in France, where his shrine is to this day. He was certainly a man and > was certainly a Roman Catholic Bishop! The Lady Julian, whose real name > we do not know, took her name Julian as a 'Religious Name' from the > saint of the Church where she was to live for over 40 years. Juliana is > a corruption by those who wish to stress the feminine side of her life > and work and is not to be entertained! > > Best wishes, > Fr Martin Smith > > I'm sure you wouldn't want your electronic output to be contaminated > with inaccuracies. > > Regards > > -Michael- > > > > , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs > wrote: > > > > Dear Raph, > > > > 'All will be well, very, very well!' is a phrase coined by St. Juliana > of > > Norwich the famed English mediaeval mystic and anchorite. It signifies > > that ultimately WITH PERSISTENT sadhana or spiritual practice, then > > enlightenment, or deliverance from the thralldom of samsara will be > > assured. Of course her language was Christian Mysticism rather than > Hindu. > > > > All best wishes, > > > > In His Grace, > > > > Alan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Michael, > > I am Enough said, Alan ;-). Love ya, Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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