Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 From : http://blog. beliefnet. com/choprafamily /2008/02/ the-maharishi- years-the- untold.html " t was a critical moment. Then and there I had to consider the entirety of the guru-disciple relationship. To anyone outside India, much misunderstanding surrounds the whole issue of taking on an enlightened teacher. To begin with, there is a Western predisposition to doubt that enlightenment could be real except as personified in Buddha or a limited number of saints and sages who existed centuries ago. There is also a sense in the West that following a guru is tantamount to surrendering your personal identity, your bank account, and your dignity. None of these issues concerned me, however. In the role of guru Maharishi was authentic, dignified, respectful, and accepting. In addition, he was personally lovable and a joy to be around (even if one had to suffer patiently through discourses that lasted many hours and that circled around the same basic points.) The dilemma I faced was more fundamental: Can a real guru be unfair, jealous, biased, and ultimately manipulative? " . . . . . For a devotee, the answer is unquestionably yes. The role of a disciple isn & #8217;t to question a guru, but the exact opposite: Whatever the guru says, however strange, capricious, or unfair, is taken to be truth. The disciple & #8217;s role is to accommodate to the truth, and if it takes struggle and & #8220;ego death & #8221; to do that, the spiritual fruits of obedience are well worth it. A guru speaks for God and pure consciousness; therefore, his words are a direct communication from Brahman, who knows us better than we know ourselves. In essence the guru is like a superhuman parent who guides our steps until we can walk on our own. Was Maharishi doing that to me? Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Go to http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 , Venugopal AK <akvenugopal wrote: Namaste, Chopra makes a lot of money out of regurgitating vedanta, ayuraveda in everyday english. I was actually discussing a business deal with somebody recently who was involved booking his venues and speaking etc. Tolle is the same. However: Why didn't Ramana sell books, tapes and cds,charge for lectures, sell mantras, teach funny bouncing and call it flying...Why didn't Nisargadatta or Jesus or Buddha..........On one side of the coin they are real and true on the other side is what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Namaste, Perhaps it is enough to know what they are not. Preston aoclery Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:13:09 +0000 Re: Deepak Chopra on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi , Venugopal AK <akvenugopal wrote: Namaste, Chopra makes a lot of money out of regurgitating vedanta, ayuraveda in everyday english. I was actually discussing a business deal with somebody recently who was involved booking his venues and speaking etc. Tolle is the same. However: Why didn't Ramana sell books, tapes and cds,charge for lectures, sell mantras, teach funny bouncing and call it flying...Why didn't Nisargadatta or Jesus or Buddha..........On one side of the coin they are real and true on the other side is what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 finally a voice which states what i feel all the time let us stay at the source and not with those who follow it with " make up " according to the modern lifestyle etc without blaming others please let us aknowledge that Sri Ramama Maharshi was and is will always be IT michael fell in love with Bhagavan because " his " last life was clear like a still sea. Clear and everything aknowledged by witnesses. And never preached and always LIVED THE TRUTH And by being authentic, which for this being was and is and will always be THE criteria which he himself tries to BE thank you for your time in Ramana - Tony OClery Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:13 PM Re: Deepak Chopra on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi , Venugopal AK <akvenugopal wrote: Namaste, Chopra makes a lot of money out of regurgitating vedanta, ayuraveda in everyday english. I was actually discussing a business deal with somebody recently who was involved booking his venues and speaking etc. Tolle is the same. However: Why didn't Ramana sell books, tapes and cds,charge for lectures, sell mantras, teach funny bouncing and call it flying...Why didn't Nisargadatta or Jesus or Buddha..........On one side of the coin they are real and true on the other side is what? Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.0/1296 - Release 24/02/2008 12.19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 --- Dear Friends, There is no point in comparing or trying to compare Ramana or Nisargadatta with modern day satsang holders and 'guru's...Ramana lived in the tradition of going round for alms, taking biksha from poor ordinary folks, never had a bank account...same is true of Sri Ramakrishna and his direct disciples...The ashram was maintained in a very simple style till the end,mainly to provide simple veg food for seekers who came from long distances and lodges/hotels were not available then.....The present day gurus want to build a posh three star style lodges/kutirs first even before getting established with their clinteile...Why compare such spiritual giants with ordinary preachers of this age! -----N K Srinivasan In , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > > > finally a voice which states what i feel all the time > > let us stay at the source and not with those who follow it with " make up " according to the modern lifestyle etc > > without blaming others please let us aknowledge that Sri Ramama Maharshi was and is will always be IT > michael fell in love with Bhagavan because " his " last life was clear like a still sea. Clear and everything aknowledged by witnesses. > And never preached and always LIVED THE TRUTH > > > And by being authentic, which for this being was and is and will always be THE criteria which he himself tries to BE > > > thank you for your time > > > in Ramana > > > > > - > Tony OClery > > Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:13 PM > Re: Deepak Chopra on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > > , Venugopal AK <akvenugopal@> > wrote: > > Namaste, > > Chopra makes a lot of money out of regurgitating vedanta, ayuraveda in > everyday english. I was actually discussing a business deal with > somebody recently who was involved booking his venues and speaking etc. > Tolle is the same. > > However: > > Why didn't Ramana sell books, tapes and cds,charge for lectures, sell > mantras, teach funny bouncing and call it flying...Why didn't > Nisargadatta or Jesus or Buddha..........On one side of the coin they > are real and true on the other side is what? > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.0/1296 - Release Date: 24/02/2008 12.19 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Because the mainstream of all sort of people - and of course the " seekers " too tend to fall in the trap of this " modern time " all over just publicity wonderful words - but deeds?????? in Ramana michael - nksrinivasan123 Monday, February 25, 2008 8:48 AM Re: Deepak Chopra on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi --- Dear Friends, There is no point in comparing or trying to compare Ramana or Nisargadatta with modern day satsang holders and 'guru's...Ramana lived in the tradition of going round for alms, taking biksha from poor ordinary folks, never had a bank account...same is true of Sri Ramakrishna and his direct disciples...The ashram was maintained in a very simple style till the end,mainly to provide simple veg food for seekers who came from long distances and lodges/hotels were not available then.....The present day gurus want to build a posh three star style lodges/kutirs first even before getting established with their clinteile...Why compare such spiritual giants with ordinary preachers of this age! -----N K Srinivasan In , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > > > finally a voice which states what i feel all the time > > let us stay at the source and not with those who follow it with " make up " according to the modern lifestyle etc > > without blaming others please let us aknowledge that Sri Ramama Maharshi was and is will always be IT > michael fell in love with Bhagavan because " his " last life was clear like a still sea. Clear and everything aknowledged by witnesses. > And never preached and always LIVED THE TRUTH > > > And by being authentic, which for this being was and is and will always be THE criteria which he himself tries to BE > > > thank you for your time > > > in Ramana > > > > > - > Tony OClery > > Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:13 PM > Re: Deepak Chopra on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > > , Venugopal AK <akvenugopal@> > wrote: > > Namaste, > > Chopra makes a lot of money out of regurgitating vedanta, ayuraveda in > everyday english. I was actually discussing a business deal with > somebody recently who was involved booking his venues and speaking etc. > Tolle is the same. > > However: > > Why didn't Ramana sell books, tapes and cds,charge for lectures, sell > mantras, teach funny bouncing and call it flying...Why didn't > Nisargadatta or Jesus or Buddha..........On one side of the coin they > are real and true on the other side is what? > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.0/1296 - Release Date: 24/02/2008 12.19 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Dear Preston yes - you are right! Its enough to know who one is NOT for this we must train our intuition, practice it in daily life a n d learn to trust. This person mistrusted his intuition very long and the results have been accordingly. Can only say: INTUITION IS IT in Ramana michael - jaizon Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:44 PM RE: Re: Deepak Chopra on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Namaste, Perhaps it is enough to know what they are not. Preston aoclery Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:13:09 +0000 Re: Deepak Chopra on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi , Venugopal AK <akvenugopal wrote: Namaste, Chopra makes a lot of money out of regurgitating vedanta, ayuraveda in everyday english. I was actually discussing a business deal with somebody recently who was involved booking his venues and speaking etc. Tolle is the same. However: Why didn't Ramana sell books, tapes and cds,charge for lectures, sell mantras, teach funny bouncing and call it flying...Why didn't Nisargadatta or Jesus or Buddha..........On one side of the coin they are real and true on the other side is what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Tony OClery wrote: > Venugopal AK wrote: > Chopra makes a lot of money out of regurgitating vedanta, ayuraveda in > everyday english. I was actually discussing a business deal with > somebody recently who was involved booking his venues and speaking etc. > Tolle is the same. > > However: > > Why didn't Ramana sell books, tapes and cds,charge for lectures, sell > mantras, teach funny bouncing and call it flying...Why didn't > Nisargadatta or Jesus or Buddha..........On one side of the coin they > are real and true on the other side is what? Hi Tony. Good questions. You aren't the only one whose pondered them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 jaizon wrote: > Perhaps it is enough to know what they are not. > > Preston Well that's a start... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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