Guest guest Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Dear Harsha, Thanks for the Ramana quote. Nome teaches with full understanding of what Ramana wrote and of where Ramana 'stands' as Being. Since this is also where Nome stands, this is the consistent 'frame of reference' of Nome's teaching. I particularly liked " Sahaja is the original state so that sadhana amounts to the removal of obstacles for the realization of this abiding truth. " For many years I have heard Nome say that practice, inquiry, really consists in removing the ignorance that makes up the imagined sense of identity as a seeming individual. I see from your quote that Nome speaks with Ramana's voice. Om Arunachala, Richard , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear Richard, > > Nome here is essentially paraphrasing Sri Ramana from an answer the sage of > Arunachala gave to Paul Brunton where he said that the practice of the Sahaj > state of Siddha is the Sadhana! > > Of course, as Nome is a devotee of Sri Ramana, it makes sense. All of us > devotees essentially paraphrase Sri Ramana in one way or another. The > teaching of Sri Ramana was absolutely direct. To make it our own, we > practice and realize the nature of the teaching as being Self-Revealing. > Here is the conversation that I am reminded of from the " Talks " . > > Paul Brunton: What is to be our sadhana? > > Maharshi: The sahaja of siddha! Sahaja is the original state so that sadhana > amounts to the removal of obstacles for the realization of this abiding > truth. > > By repeated practice one can become accustomed to turning inwards and > finding the Self. One must always and constantly make an effort, until one > has permanently realized. Once the effort ceases, the state becomes natural > and the Supreme takes possession of the person with an unbroken current. > Until it has become permanently natural and your habitual state, know that > you have not realized the Self, only glimpsed it. > > The soul that realizes the Self may still be connected with a working body, > senses, and mind, without identifying itself with that body. > > There can be satisfaction only when you reach the source, otherwise there > will be restlessness. > > I am giving the full conversation from the Talks with Paul Brunton on that > day from a post from the list archives. > > Ramana Maharshi taught mostly in Silence. When he spoke, what he said was > specific to each person. Here he speaks to Paul Brunton. > > 13. Realization: > > Q: If 'I' am always here and now, why don't I feel it? > > Maharshi: That's is the point! Who says that it is not felt? Does the real > 'I' say it or the false 'I'? Examine it. You will find it is the wrong 'I'. > The wrong 'I' is the obstruction. It has to be removed in order that the > true 'I' might not be hidden. > > The feeling, 'I have not realized,' is the obstruction to realization. In > fact, you are already realized; there is nothing to realize. If there were, > it would have to be something new, not existing so far, that would occur > sometime in the future. > > What has birth will also die. If realization were not eternal it would not > be worth having. Therefore, what we seek is not that which must happen > afresh. It is only that which is eternal and which is not known, due to > obstructions, that is what we seek. Ignorance is the obstruction. Remove it, > and all will be well. > > The ignorance is identical with the 'I'-thought. Find its source and I will > vanish. The 'I'-thought is like a spirit which is not palpable, and it rises > up simultaneously with the body, flourishes on it and disappears with it. > > The body-consciousness is the wrong 'I'. Give it up! This is done by seeking > the source of the 'I'. The body does not say 'I am'. It is you who says, 'I > am the body.' Find out who this 'I' is. Seeking its source, it will vanish. > > Q: What is to be our sadhana? > > M: The sahaja of siddha! Sahaja is the original state so that sadhana > amounts to the removal of obstacles for the realization of this abiding > truth. > > By repeated practice one can become accustomed to turning inwards and > finding the Self. One must always and constantly make an effort, until one > has permanently realized. Once the effort ceases, the state becomes natural > and the Supreme takes possession of the person with an unbroken current. > > Until it has become permanently natural and your habitual state, know that > you have not realized the Self, only glimpsed it. > > The soul that realizes the Self may still be connected with a working body, > senses, and mind, without identifying itself with that body. > > There can be satisfaction only when you reach the source, otherwise there > will be restlessness. > > > > > On Behalf Of Richard Clarke > Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:44 AM > > Adherence to the Truth of the Self > with effort is spiritual practice > > Nome, from Mandala Nine of his book, 'Self-Knowledge' > > Adherence to the Truth of the Self > With effort is spiritual practice. > Effortless abidance in the Truth of the Self > Is Self-Realization. > Self-inquiry eliminates " me. " > With no " me, " > How can " mine " remain? > Surrender eliminates " mine. " > With no " mine, " > How can " me " survive? > Devotedly inquire, > Inquiring to know That > To which one is devoted. > Practice intensely > So that the true " I " is realized. > Practice until doubtless and boundless; > The End itself appears as the means. > Practice until effortless, > Natural and innate is the > Adherence to the Truth of the Self. > > ------------------------------- > Om Arunachala, > Richard > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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