Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 HI, I had a question. Is every action (conversations,decisions,etc) that happens through us pre-ordained. Another question. if assuming every thing is pre-ordanied, is the choice of career, life-partner, children, etc already pre-ordained. thanks Sunil. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Dear Sunil, Yes. Broadly expressed Bhagavan reiterates that everything that happens is predetermined. In 'Be As You Art', the anthology of Bhagavan's Teachings in his own words comiled by David Godman, there is a chapter on Karma Destiny and Free Will, where a number of quotations stresses this point of view.. This is a valuable reference and maybe ordered if not downloaded from the Ashram website. One significant key is in an answer he gave to Paul Brunton in which he states that Isvara predetermines each life of each individual for his spiritual development drawing on selected past tendencies from previous lives. So come what may , the preordination is benign. THe apparant free will we have, is a guide to moral conduct, as the scriptures advocate, especially the Bhagavad Gita. This Bhagavan approves. But it is only apparant 'free will' and part of the structure in the overall determination. In his 40 verses Bhagavan advises us not to vex ourselves with this question, because through Self Enquiry and Surrender the whole structure of Karma collapses on enlightenment or Self Realisation. I trust this is a help. All best wishes, Alan --- Sunil Babu <sunilbabu03 wrote: > HI, > > I had a question. Is every action (conversations,decisions,etc) that > happens through us pre-ordained. > > Another question. if assuming every thing is pre-ordanied, is the choice > of career, life-partner, children, etc already pre-ordained. > > thanks > Sunil. > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try > it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Dear Sunil, There were some typos in my first draft. This has been corrected below. Regards, Alan --- Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > Dear Sunil, > > Yes. > > Broadly expressed, Bhagavan reiterates that everything that happens is > predetermined. In 'Be As You Are', the anthology of Bhagavan's Teachings > in his own words compiled by David Godman, there is a chapter on Karma > Destiny and Free Will, where a number of quotations stresses this point > of view. This is a valuable reference and maybe ordered if not downloaded from the Ashram website. > > One significant key is in an answer he gave to Paul Brunton in which he > states that Isvara predetermines each life of each individual for his > spiritual development drawing on selected past tendencies from previous > lives. So come what may , the preordination is benign. The apparant free > will we have, is a guide to moral conduct, as the scriptures advocate, > especially the Bhagavad Gita. This Bhagavan approves. But it is only > apparant 'free will' and part of the structure in the overall > determination. > > In his 40 verses Bhagavan advises us not to vex ourselves with this > question, because through Self Enquiry and Surrender the whole structure > of Karma collapses on enlightenment or Self Realisation. > > I trust this is a help. > > All best wishes, > > Alan > --- Sunil Babu <sunilbabu03 wrote: > > > HI, > > > > I had a question. Is every action (conversations,decisions,etc) that > > happens through us pre-ordained. > > > > Another question. if assuming every thing is pre-ordanied, is the > choice > > of career, life-partner, children, etc already pre-ordained. > > > > thanks > > Sunil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try > > it now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Yes thanks. This is a lot of relief as I had engulfed into the mode of regret connected to a lost oppurtunity on part of my foolishness. I was wondering if I had done this way i would have got her (this is in connection to a life partner, we are indians and undergo arranged marriage still). I had this regret for 2 months and finally started to look around for answers if what I did could have been avoided. also wanted to know if life partners were predetermined. I got the answer as yes. thanks sunil Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: Dear Sunil, Yes. Broadly expressed Bhagavan reiterates that everything that happens is predetermined. In 'Be As You Art', the anthology of Bhagavan's Teachings in his own words comiled by David Godman, there is a chapter on Karma Destiny and Free Will, where a number of quotations stresses this point of view.. This is a valuable reference and maybe ordered if not downloaded from the Ashram website. One significant key is in an answer he gave to Paul Brunton in which he states that Isvara predetermines each life of each individual for his spiritual development drawing on selected past tendencies from previous lives. So come what may , the preordination is benign. THe apparant free will we have, is a guide to moral conduct, as the scriptures advocate, especially the Bhagavad Gita. This Bhagavan approves. But it is only apparant 'free will' and part of the structure in the overall determination. In his 40 verses Bhagavan advises us not to vex ourselves with this question, because through Self Enquiry and Surrender the whole structure of Karma collapses on enlightenment or Self Realisation. I trust this is a help. All best wishes, Alan --- Sunil Babu <sunilbabu03 wrote: > HI, > > I had a question. Is every action (conversations,decisions,etc) that > happens through us pre-ordained. > > Another question. if assuming every thing is pre-ordanied, is the choice > of career, life-partner, children, etc already pre-ordained. > > thanks > Sunil. > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try > it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Dear Sunil, Thanks for your reply. Two more points I failed to mention was that Bhagavan said 'our only real freedom was to tun inward', and the other was that 'Grace can intervene in the preordained Karma' for the committed, ardent devotee. Best wishes and regards, Alan --- Sunil Babu <sunilbabu03 wrote: > Yes thanks. This is a lot of relief as I had engulfed into the mode of > regret connected to a lost oppurtunity on part of my foolishness. I was > wondering if I had done this way i would have got her (this is in > connection to a life partner, we are indians and undergo arranged > marriage still). I had this regret for 2 months and finally started to > look around for answers if what I did could have been avoided. also > wanted to know if life partners were predetermined. I got the answer as > yes. > > thanks > sunil > > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > Dear Sunil, > > Yes. > > Broadly expressed Bhagavan reiterates that everything that happens is > predetermined. In 'Be As You Art', the anthology of Bhagavan's > Teachings > in his own words comiled by David Godman, there is a chapter on Karma > Destiny and Free Will, where a number of quotations stresses this point > of > view.. This is a valuable reference and maybe ordered if not downloaded > from the Ashram website. > > One significant key is in an answer he gave to Paul Brunton in which he > states that Isvara predetermines each life of each individual for his > spiritual development drawing on selected past tendencies from previous > lives. So come what may , the preordination is benign. THe apparant > free > will we have, is a guide to moral conduct, as the scriptures advocate, > especially the Bhagavad Gita. This Bhagavan approves. But it is only > apparant 'free will' and part of the structure in the overall > determination. > > In his 40 verses Bhagavan advises us not to vex ourselves with this > question, because through Self Enquiry and Surrender the whole > structure > of Karma collapses on enlightenment or Self Realisation. > > I trust this is a help. > > All best wishes, > > Alan > --- Sunil Babu <sunilbabu03 wrote: > > > HI, > > > > I had a question. Is every action (conversations,decisions,etc) that > > happens through us pre-ordained. > > > > Another question. if assuming every thing is pre-ordanied, is the > choice > > of career, life-partner, children, etc already pre-ordained. > > > > thanks > > Sunil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try > > it now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 , Sunil Babu <sunilbabu03 wrote: > > In his 40 verses Bhagavan advises us not to vex ourselves with this > question, because through Self Enquiry and Surrender the whole > structure > of Karma collapses on enlightenment or Self Realisation. I'm wondering - what is Bhagavan's view on Prarabdha Karma (link to definition below)? For what it's worth, my thought is that it still influence the body after Self-Realization - the arrow released from the bow cannot be recalled. Thanks very much, Tim. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prarabdha_karma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Dear Tim, yes, my impression is that the Parabdha Karma continues for the Jnani until he drops the body, when the entire karmatic nexus collapses for good. Correct me if you think I am wrong. Regards as ever, Alan --- " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > , Sunil Babu <sunilbabu03 > wrote: > > > > In his 40 verses Bhagavan advises us not to vex ourselves with this > > question, because through Self Enquiry and Surrender the whole > > structure > > of Karma collapses on enlightenment or Self Realisation. > > I'm wondering - what is Bhagavan's view on Prarabdha Karma (link to > definition below)? > > For what it's worth, my thought is that it still influence the body > after Self-Realization - the arrow released from the bow cannot be > recalled. > > Thanks very much, Tim. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prarabdha_karma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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