Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Greetings to all The post Echoes from the past encourged me to post this following post. I have posted it in other groups under my pen name hsin shang. It is a series of articles that I am writing at the present time. It is an imaginary dialogue between a master and a disciple. It tries to draw a path to God or Reality...etc. I do not claim that I am there, but I can clearly see the end goal. Echoes from the past will be clarified with these articles. I hope to hear your comments on these articles, especially from brother on the way Michael Bindle. Why I feel fear? Part 1; No God. Disciple: Why I feel fear? Master: You are afraid because you are alone with no shield to protect you from the hazards of earthly living. Disciple: God is my shield; nevertheless, I still feel fear. Master: Your outlook to God as if He is the Jinni of the lamp. You wish to live your life as you please and when you are caught in trouble, you summon God. God for you is still a weak and bare concept. Disciple: Could you please explain further? Master: To know God and be under his shelter, you have to live with Him 24 hours a day, not to summon Him when needed. To live with God and be under his protection you have to experience His presence at the expense of the experience of your earthly life or in other words at the expense of your own self awareness and the awareness of your world. You have to be aware only of Him and His appearances or manifestations. When this occurs, where are you to become afraid? An earthly life -which you think is yours- is originally His Manifestations and Appearances. Nevertheless, you approbated this life to yourself and made it your own private world and playground. Alternatively, you prefer to be in your earthly life and playing fields with all its pleasures and pains rather than to be with God and His Manifestations and Appearances with the ensuing Shelter, Bliss and Abundance. Disciple: What do you mean by " God for me is still a weak and bare concept " ? Master: God for you is only a word in your head equal to any other word; God did not take root in your heart. It is bare of any truth, meaning that the presence of God in your mind and further on, in your heart does not rely on a direct experience of God, a first hand experience with God, a genuine experience of His Might and Kindness, it is all words and concept devoid of any truth. Disciple: How can I plant God firmly in my mind and heart? Master: Are you willing and ready to do that regardless of the sacrifices? Disciple: I have no other options. Master: Do you wish that I continue? Disciple: Definitely, but let me first digest what have been said. Why I feel fear? Part 2; Miracles Disciple: How can I plant God in my mind and my heart? Master: Primarily, you have to have a direct first hand experience with God. Disciple: What does this means? Master: Have you ever experienced God in your everyday life? Disciple: God has no form to be seen, how can I experience Him in my life? God has created man, and then man will work his way in earthly life. Master: You have already killed God or banished Him from your life, if what you said expresses what you believe. You have made God a creator that has left and abandoned His creation and just waiting to register their virtues and their sins for the Day of Judgment. You have made God the greatest bookkeeper. Even if you say that God helps me in my daily life to earn a living or have a prosperous life, you have made out of God the greatest Distributor of riches or calamities. Now, again, have you experienced God's intervention in your life? Disciple: Would you please explain furthermore? Master: You had attributed your success in your earthly life to yourself or sometimes with the help of others. To your own self-intelligence, to your own superb qualities and to your own resourcefulness. Even, if you admit that all this success was due to God, nevertheless this success belongs to you. If this is the case, how can you imagine seeing the genuine intervention of God in your life? There is no room for God in your mind, not to mention in your heart. You colonize your mind while you also are occupying your heart. You did not give God any chance to manifest and intervene in your life. You became the center around which life spins. Disciple: Then I need a miracle to experience God's presence and intervention in my life. Master: Millions of miracles occurred in you life but you had misinterpreted and instead of attributing them to God, you have attributed and claimed them to yourself. You gobbled all the miracles and added them to your own being, thus increasing yourself and your riches. Disciple: Are you telling me that all the success, prosperity and abundance in my life was due to God, while I had nothing to do about it? Master: Exactly so. Disciple: Are you saying if I attribute anything good that happened to me in this life to God, this means that I have experienced God? Is God just an interpretation? Master: No, God is not the interpretation, but the correct interpretation of life experience is that anything good in your life is attributed to God, while the interpretation that any good happening in your life is due to you is the wrong interpretation. You have to investigate that by re-examining the good in your life –from an unbiased, unprejudiced objective vista- then see and decide for yourself. Disciple: Let me do that first, before you continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Dear Mourad, Brilliant! I look forward to further installments . Best wishes, Alan --- mourad <mourad_shamel wrote: > > Greetings to all > > The post Echoes from the past encourged me to post this following post. > I have posted it in other groups under my pen name hsin shang. It is a > series of articles that I am writing at the present time. It is an > imaginary dialogue between a master and a disciple. It tries to draw a > path to God or Reality...etc. I do not claim that I am there, but I can > clearly see the end goal. Echoes from the past will be clarified with > these articles. I hope to hear your comments on these articles, > especially from brother on the way Michael Bindle. > > Why I feel fear? Part 1; No God. > > Disciple: Why I feel fear? > > Master: You are afraid because you are alone with no shield to protect > you from the hazards of earthly living. > > Disciple: God is my shield; nevertheless, I still feel fear. > > Master: Your outlook to God as if He is the Jinni of the lamp. You wish > to live your life as you please and when you are caught in trouble, you > summon God. God for you is still a weak and bare concept. > > Disciple: Could you please explain further? > > Master: To know God and be under his shelter, you have to live with Him > 24 hours a day, not to summon Him when needed. To live with God and be > under his protection you have to experience His presence at the expense > of the experience of your earthly life or in other words at the expense > of your own self awareness and the awareness of your world. You have to > be aware only of Him and His appearances or manifestations. When this > occurs, where are you to become afraid? An earthly life -which you think > is yours- is originally His Manifestations and Appearances. > Nevertheless, you approbated this life to yourself and made it your own > private world and playground. Alternatively, you prefer to be in your > earthly life and playing fields with all its pleasures and pains rather > than to be with God and His Manifestations and Appearances with the > ensuing Shelter, Bliss and Abundance. > > Disciple: What do you mean by " God for me is still a weak and bare > concept " ? > > Master: God for you is only a word in your head equal to any other word; > God did not take root in your heart. It is bare of any truth, meaning > that the presence of God in your mind and further on, in your heart does > not rely on a direct experience of God, a first hand experience with > God, a genuine experience of His Might and Kindness, it is all words and > concept devoid of any truth. > > Disciple: How can I plant God firmly in my mind and heart? > > Master: Are you willing and ready to do that regardless of the > sacrifices? > > Disciple: I have no other options. > > Master: Do you wish that I continue? > > Disciple: Definitely, but let me first digest what have been said. > > > > Why I feel fear? Part 2; Miracles > > > > Disciple: How can I plant God in my mind and my heart? > > Master: Primarily, you have to have a direct first hand experience with > God. > > Disciple: What does this means? > > Master: Have you ever experienced God in your everyday life? > > Disciple: God has no form to be seen, how can I experience Him in my > life? > > God has created man, and then man will work his way in earthly life. > > Master: You have already killed God or banished Him from your life, if > what you said expresses what you believe. You have made God a creator > that has left and abandoned His creation and just waiting to register > their virtues and their sins for the Day of Judgment. You have made God > the greatest bookkeeper. Even if you say that God helps me in my daily > life to earn a living or have a prosperous life, you have made out of > God the greatest Distributor of riches or calamities. Now, again, have > you experienced God's intervention in your life? > > Disciple: Would you please explain furthermore? > > Master: You had attributed your success in your earthly life to yourself > or sometimes with the help of others. To your own self-intelligence, to > your own superb qualities and to your own resourcefulness. Even, if you > admit that all this success was due to God, nevertheless this success > belongs to you. If this is the case, how can you imagine seeing the > genuine intervention of God in your life? There is no room for God in > your mind, not to mention in your heart. You colonize your mind while > you also are occupying your heart. You did not give God any chance to > manifest and intervene in your life. You became the center around which > life spins. > > Disciple: Then I need a miracle to experience God's presence and > intervention in my life. > > Master: Millions of miracles occurred in you life but you had > misinterpreted and instead of attributing them to God, you have > attributed and claimed them to yourself. You gobbled all the miracles > and added them to your own being, thus increasing yourself and your > riches. > > Disciple: Are you telling me that all the success, prosperity and > abundance in my life was due to God, while I had nothing to do about it? > > Master: Exactly so. > > Disciple: Are you saying if I attribute anything good that happened to > me in this life to God, this means that I have experienced God? Is God > just an interpretation? > > Master: No, God is not the interpretation, but the correct > interpretation of life experience is that anything good in your life is > attributed to God, while the interpretation that any good happening in > your life is due to you is the wrong interpretation. You have to > investigate that by re-examining the good in your life –from an > unbiased, unprejudiced objective vista- then see and decide for > yourself. > > Disciple: Let me do that first, before you continue. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Dear Alan Thank you. I took your advice. Hope to hear your comments. m , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Mourad, > > Brilliant! I look forward to further installments . > > Best wishes, > > Alan > > > --- mourad mourad_shamel wrote: > > > > > Greetings to all > > > > The post Echoes from the past encourged me to post this following post. > > I have posted it in other groups under my pen name hsin shang. It is a > > series of articles that I am writing at the present time. It is an > > imaginary dialogue between a master and a disciple. It tries to draw a > > path to God or Reality...etc. I do not claim that I am there, but I can > > clearly see the end goal. Echoes from the past will be clarified with > > these articles. I hope to hear your comments on these articles, > > especially from brother on the way Michael Bindle. > > > > Why I feel fear? Part 1; No God. > > > > Disciple: Why I feel fear? > > > > Master: You are afraid because you are alone with no shield to protect > > you from the hazards of earthly living. > > > > Disciple: God is my shield; nevertheless, I still feel fear. > > > > Master: Your outlook to God as if He is the Jinni of the lamp. You wish > > to live your life as you please and when you are caught in trouble, you > > summon God. God for you is still a weak and bare concept. > > > > Disciple: Could you please explain further? > > > > Master: To know God and be under his shelter, you have to live with Him > > 24 hours a day, not to summon Him when needed. To live with God and be > > under his protection you have to experience His presence at the expense > > of the experience of your earthly life or in other words at the expense > > of your own self awareness and the awareness of your world. You have to > > be aware only of Him and His appearances or manifestations. When this > > occurs, where are you to become afraid? An earthly life -which you think > > is yours- is originally His Manifestations and Appearances. > > Nevertheless, you approbated this life to yourself and made it your own > > private world and playground. Alternatively, you prefer to be in your > > earthly life and playing fields with all its pleasures and pains rather > > than to be with God and His Manifestations and Appearances with the > > ensuing Shelter, Bliss and Abundance. > > > > Disciple: What do you mean by " God for me is still a weak and bare > > concept " ? > > > > Master: God for you is only a word in your head equal to any other word; > > God did not take root in your heart. It is bare of any truth, meaning > > that the presence of God in your mind and further on, in your heart does > > not rely on a direct experience of God, a first hand experience with > > God, a genuine experience of His Might and Kindness, it is all words and > > concept devoid of any truth. > > > > Disciple: How can I plant God firmly in my mind and heart? > > > > Master: Are you willing and ready to do that regardless of the > > sacrifices? > > > > Disciple: I have no other options. > > > > Master: Do you wish that I continue? > > > > Disciple: Definitely, but let me first digest what have been said. > > > > > > > > Why I feel fear? Part 2; Miracles > > > > > > > > Disciple: How can I plant God in my mind and my heart? > > > > Master: Primarily, you have to have a direct first hand experience with > > God. > > > > Disciple: What does this means? > > > > Master: Have you ever experienced God in your everyday life? > > > > Disciple: God has no form to be seen, how can I experience Him in my > > life? > > > > God has created man, and then man will work his way in earthly life. > > > > Master: You have already killed God or banished Him from your life, if > > what you said expresses what you believe. You have made God a creator > > that has left and abandoned His creation and just waiting to register > > their virtues and their sins for the Day of Judgment. You have made God > > the greatest bookkeeper. Even if you say that God helps me in my daily > > life to earn a living or have a prosperous life, you have made out of > > God the greatest Distributor of riches or calamities. Now, again, have > > you experienced God's intervention in your life? > > > > Disciple: Would you please explain furthermore? > > > > Master: You had attributed your success in your earthly life to yourself > > or sometimes with the help of others. To your own self-intelligence, to > > your own superb qualities and to your own resourcefulness. Even, if you > > admit that all this success was due to God, nevertheless this success > > belongs to you. If this is the case, how can you imagine seeing the > > genuine intervention of God in your life? There is no room for God in > > your mind, not to mention in your heart. You colonize your mind while > > you also are occupying your heart. You did not give God any chance to > > manifest and intervene in your life. You became the center around which > > life spins. > > > > Disciple: Then I need a miracle to experience God's presence and > > intervention in my life. > > > > Master: Millions of miracles occurred in you life but you had > > misinterpreted and instead of attributing them to God, you have > > attributed and claimed them to yourself. You gobbled all the miracles > > and added them to your own being, thus increasing yourself and your > > riches. > > > > Disciple: Are you telling me that all the success, prosperity and > > abundance in my life was due to God, while I had nothing to do about it? > > > > Master: Exactly so. > > > > Disciple: Are you saying if I attribute anything good that happened to > > me in this life to God, this means that I have experienced God? Is God > > just an interpretation? > > > > Master: No, God is not the interpretation, but the correct > > interpretation of life experience is that anything good in your life is > > attributed to God, while the interpretation that any good happening in > > your life is due to you is the wrong interpretation. You have to > > investigate that by re-examining the good in your life –from an > > unbiased, unprejudiced objective vista- then see and decide for > > yourself. > > > > Disciple: Let me do that first, before you continue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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