Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Hello All, Thanks for reading through my problem and giving so much of advice and suggestions. Special thanks to Alan, Ramanamayi, Mouna, M and Micheal and other people who have helped me indirectly. Each and everything had a message which with God's grace I should apply and in the end surrender to Him. The key points which I noted and had stuck up in my house wall so that I can see it daily: 1.Surrender and be patience. 2.'Whatever sins , good things I have done, they are no longer mine. All of them and their results, too, belong to Ramana.'From now on there is no good nor bad in you. You are just pure. Go and do nothing, either good or bad.Remain yourself. Remain what you are.' 3.I cannot carry this load for long time and its been aching, so now I leave at Your feet. 4.Have an observer and observe each and action. An observer which is true and seeing the play of this world. 5.Discover the logic of truth by contemplating through life and which will stop the driving force behind the mistakes. The one thing which I could think of and have started implementing is - Talking with Ramana maharishi. Basically having Him along with me and talking to Him saying anything and in any case I'm able to committ some mistake, I just observe the feeling and thought in my body and relax myself and speak with Him saying, I cannot do anything, please take this and try to distract myself by moving from that circumstences. I have been trying so many things for past few years, every month I go to Tiruvannamalai and I cry before Him saying why is that I'm like this. Wy dont u do anything, and I take all my will and say next month when I come and see you, I should see myself changed. But I have very less will power that within a week, I again fall down. And when I come back to Tiruannamalai next time, I come with loads of guilt. Now I'm inn Beijing for some months. I just pray that I dont end up wasting my life with mistakes and guilt even after knowing Lord Ramana. Thanks Palani , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Namaste Mourad > Namaste Palani > > Mourad did explain in a logical and thoroughly way the mechanism which drives us to repeat old habits, old socalled mistaked > Please " install " the observer in yourself, who watches everything which goes on in your apparatus - mind, body, feeling, " love " and so on - without judging! > This observer is a must - at least imo - it helps sooo much to distance ourselves from whats going on inside ourselves.... > > in Ramana > > michael > > > - > mourad > > Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:18 PM > Re: Desire? > > > Hello > " Commiting the same mistakes " . Man always lives life conventionally, > he never contemplates life, thinks and ponders about the hidden > motives that drive and lead him, he is oblivious to these driving > forces. When these forces are seen, surfaced to the surface of his > conscious mind or being, they are no longer hidden to him. When this > happens he can discover -for himself- the emotional root which is > triggered by the circumstances -which drives man.The circumstances > are usually thought forms, a conventional logic behind the emotional > root. What is the treatment? Another logic for the same > circumstances has to be discovered in order to balnce the sway of > the balnce away from the conventional logic, a logic that you > discover for yourself by contemplating life or an accepted and > trusted logic from a Master or a Guru like Ramana. A logic that you > believe in its explicit truth while the other conventional logic is > brabded -in your eyes as false. When your logic about the > circumstances that triggers your mistakes is balnced, the emotional > root will not be triggered and the driving force will be suspended > and comes to a halt. So you will not commit the same mistake > again.There is no self restrain, it is a change in your belief in > the logic that moves you, instead from being moved by the > conventional logic, now you are moved by another type of logic - what > I call the logic of the Truth. With persistance this logic of Truth > will balance the conventional logic and both drop away together. I > would like to mention here the example of Sri Ramana: " When your > hands are dirty, you use soap then the running water will wash the > dirt and the soap, and your hands become clean. " > m > , " ksrpal2002 " <ksrpal2002@> > wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Thought I have been reading books, hearing lot of devotional audio > > songs which can move heart, have been praying daily, been around > with > > group of people, still I dont see any change in me. Everytime I > > committ a mistake I feel guilty and then turn up to things like > > books, the e-mails from the group, the songs etc. But again > withing > > few days end oup committing same mistake. Evil passions and > desired > > deep in my mind. I dont what to know from where all this is > getting > > originated, but how do we conquer them, how do we overcome them. > This > > is really killing me and bringing lot of pain and unpeacefulness. > > > > > > > > I would be thankful, if any one can advise me and hope I get some > > will power to not committ the same mistake. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Palani > > -- ---------- > > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 01/05/2008 8.39 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Dear Palani maybe this is a help on your sadhana, on your way back home please accept that YOU are the SCREEN on which everything which " goes on " , everything which troubles you or which gives you joy is j u s t a film on this screen so please do not be attached to the ongoing FILM just b e I AM WHO I AM is all the truth there is it is from the jewish Bible the answer when MOSES asked the LORD which name should i tell the people, when they ask and GD said I AM WHO I AM and beloved Sadguru SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI commented in this I AM WHO I AM is all the vedantic wisdom included and this " name " is " even more " than OM in love in GD michael please be careful while being in China - ksrpal2002 Saturday, May 03, 2008 6:19 PM [Thank you] Re: Desire? Hello All, Thanks for reading through my problem and giving so much of advice and suggestions. Special thanks to Alan, Ramanamayi, Mouna, M and Micheal and other people who have helped me indirectly. Each and everything had a message which with God's grace I should apply and in the end surrender to Him. The key points which I noted and had stuck up in my house wall so that I can see it daily: 1.Surrender and be patience. 2.'Whatever sins , good things I have done, they are no longer mine. All of them and their results, too, belong to Ramana.'From now on there is no good nor bad in you. You are just pure. Go and do nothing, either good or bad.Remain yourself. Remain what you are.' 3.I cannot carry this load for long time and its been aching, so now I leave at Your feet. 4.Have an observer and observe each and action. An observer which is true and seeing the play of this world. 5.Discover the logic of truth by contemplating through life and which will stop the driving force behind the mistakes. The one thing which I could think of and have started implementing is - Talking with Ramana maharishi. Basically having Him along with me and talking to Him saying anything and in any case I'm able to committ some mistake, I just observe the feeling and thought in my body and relax myself and speak with Him saying, I cannot do anything, please take this and try to distract myself by moving from that circumstences. I have been trying so many things for past few years, every month I go to Tiruvannamalai and I cry before Him saying why is that I'm like this. Wy dont u do anything, and I take all my will and say next month when I come and see you, I should see myself changed. But I have very less will power that within a week, I again fall down. And when I come back to Tiruannamalai next time, I come with loads of guilt. Now I'm inn Beijing for some months. I just pray that I dont end up wasting my life with mistakes and guilt even after knowing Lord Ramana. Thanks Palani , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Namaste Mourad > Namaste Palani > > Mourad did explain in a logical and thoroughly way the mechanism which drives us to repeat old habits, old socalled mistaked > Please " install " the observer in yourself, who watches everything which goes on in your apparatus - mind, body, feeling, " love " and so on - without judging! > This observer is a must - at least imo - it helps sooo much to distance ourselves from whats going on inside ourselves.... > > in Ramana > > michael > > > - > mourad > > Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:18 PM > Re: Desire? > > > Hello > " Commiting the same mistakes " . Man always lives life conventionally, > he never contemplates life, thinks and ponders about the hidden > motives that drive and lead him, he is oblivious to these driving > forces. When these forces are seen, surfaced to the surface of his > conscious mind or being, they are no longer hidden to him. When this > happens he can discover -for himself- the emotional root which is > triggered by the circumstances -which drives man.The circumstances > are usually thought forms, a conventional logic behind the emotional > root. What is the treatment? Another logic for the same > circumstances has to be discovered in order to balnce the sway of > the balnce away from the conventional logic, a logic that you > discover for yourself by contemplating life or an accepted and > trusted logic from a Master or a Guru like Ramana. A logic that you > believe in its explicit truth while the other conventional logic is > brabded -in your eyes as false. When your logic about the > circumstances that triggers your mistakes is balnced, the emotional > root will not be triggered and the driving force will be suspended > and comes to a halt. So you will not commit the same mistake > again.There is no self restrain, it is a change in your belief in > the logic that moves you, instead from being moved by the > conventional logic, now you are moved by another type of logic - what > I call the logic of the Truth. With persistance this logic of Truth > will balance the conventional logic and both drop away together. I > would like to mention here the example of Sri Ramana: " When your > hands are dirty, you use soap then the running water will wash the > dirt and the soap, and your hands become clean. " > m > , " ksrpal2002 " <ksrpal2002@> > wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Thought I have been reading books, hearing lot of devotional audio > > songs which can move heart, have been praying daily, been around > with > > group of people, still I dont see any change in me. Everytime I > > committ a mistake I feel guilty and then turn up to things like > > books, the e-mails from the group, the songs etc. But again > withing > > few days end oup committing same mistake. Evil passions and > desired > > deep in my mind. I dont what to know from where all this is > getting > > originated, but how do we conquer them, how do we overcome them. > This > > is really killing me and bringing lot of pain and unpeacefulness. > > > > > > > > I would be thankful, if any one can advise me and hope I get some > > will power to not committ the same mistake. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Palani > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ---------- > > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 01/05/2008 8.39 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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