The gap between thoughts -My understanding from Sri Gurudave.

[Guest guest]

Dear Mourad,

 

It is good to read postings from personal experience rather than from

theoretical reasoning.This was helpful. Thanks.

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

 

--- mourad <mourad_shamel wrote:

 

> Dear Friends

> When I was aged 24 years, the SadGuru Gurudav -Padmanabha Nenon, the

> son of the late SadGuru Krishnamenon otherwise known as Atmananda,

> who was contemporary to Ramana- was visiting Cairo. I managed to

> have a private interview with him. I had two questions that bothered

> me, and I asked Gurudave these questions and His Grace answered them

> for me simply and plainly. I will post the questions as well as the

> answers.

>

> First Question:

> Q: It was said that sleep might change its character and NirviKalpa

> Samadhi is experienced; Why It did not happen to me?

> Gurudave: Your emphasis was not on seeing Samadhi, still on the

> sleep and the dream, a shift of emphasis has to happen.

>

> Second Question:

> Q: It was said that Reality or Truth appears in the interval between

> thoughts. So how can I prolong this interval so that I can

> experience Reality?

> Gurudave: It is not a matter of prolonging, it is a seeing of what

> is there between thoughts.You have to see the nature of experience

> between mentations, the nature of life experiences between

> mentations and accordingly you change your prespective.Mentations

> makes you see the experience according to your previous

> understanding. A knew prespective has to be cultivated to replace

> the old understanding based on the Seeing that occurs between

> mentations.You should never doubt what you experience between

> mentations, this is my counsel to you.

> ++++++++++++++++++++

> I met Sri Gurudave -in Cairo- a couple of times later; and we never

> discussed this point again.

>

> mourad

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Alan

Thank you for the remark.

Nevertheless, I would like to explain something about myself and my

approach to Truth.

Words might be very misleading if used loosely. My ego is a set of

words with all what they point at and convey, and unless words are

used very precisely they can lead me astry. Therefore, I do my very

best to express what I see very logically lest I myself go astray.

This is the reason why my postings appear very rigid and too

theoritical and conceptual.The mind or the ego has to be tethered

tightly to be neutralized, before it is given up irrevocably. I

remember once what Sri Ramana said:

" When you have dirt on your hands, you wash your hands with soap,

then the running water will remove both the dirt and the soap, and

your hands become clean. "

The ego or the mind or the conventional logic -I use them

synonmously- is the dirt, while the understanding that results from

seeing life experience between mentations is the soap. The

conventional logic is very well constructed, therefore, the

understanding that dawn from seeing life between mentations has to

be air tight. Otherwise, the conventional logic will not be

completely washed away.

Dear Alan, I hope that now you can appreciate my very logical

approach and my expression.

God Bles

mourad

 

, Alan Jacobs

<alanadamsjacobs wrote:

>

> Dear Mourad,

>

> It is good to read postings from personal experience rather than

from

> theoretical reasoning.This was helpful. Thanks.

>

> Regards,

>

> Alan

>

>

> --- mourad <mourad_shamel wrote:

>

> > Dear Friends

> > When I was aged 24 years, the SadGuru Gurudav -Padmanabha Nenon,

the

> > son of the late SadGuru Krishnamenon otherwise known as

Atmananda,

> > who was contemporary to Ramana- was visiting Cairo. I managed to

> > have a private interview with him. I had two questions that

bothered

> > me, and I asked Gurudave these questions and His Grace answered

them

> > for me simply and plainly. I will post the questions as well as

the

> > answers.

> >

> > First Question:

> > Q: It was said that sleep might change its character and

NirviKalpa

> > Samadhi is experienced; Why It did not happen to me?

> > Gurudave: Your emphasis was not on seeing Samadhi, still on the

> > sleep and the dream, a shift of emphasis has to happen.

> >

> > Second Question:

> > Q: It was said that Reality or Truth appears in the interval

between

> > thoughts. So how can I prolong this interval so that I can

> > experience Reality?

> > Gurudave: It is not a matter of prolonging, it is a seeing of

what

> > is there between thoughts.You have to see the nature of

experience

> > between mentations, the nature of life experiences between

> > mentations and accordingly you change your

prespective.Mentations

> > makes you see the experience according to your previous

> > understanding. A knew prespective has to be cultivated to

replace

> > the old understanding based on the Seeing that occurs between

> > mentations.You should never doubt what you experience between

> > mentations, this is my counsel to you.

> > ++++++++++++++++++++

> > I met Sri Gurudave -in Cairo- a couple of times later; and we

never

> > discussed this point again.

> >

> > mourad

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mourad,

 

Thank you for your clear explanation of your approach to your postings. It

will help me appreciate them even more.

 

All best wishes,

 

Alan

--- mourad <mourad_shamel wrote:

 

> Dear Alan

> Thank you for the remark.

> Nevertheless, I would like to explain something about myself and my

> approach to Truth.

> Words might be very misleading if used loosely. My ego is a set of

> words with all what they point at and convey, and unless words are

> used very precisely they can lead me astry. Therefore, I do my very

> best to express what I see very logically lest I myself go astray.

> This is the reason why my postings appear very rigid and too

> theoritical and conceptual.The mind or the ego has to be tethered

> tightly to be neutralized, before it is given up irrevocably. I

> remember once what Sri Ramana said:

> " When you have dirt on your hands, you wash your hands with soap,

> then the running water will remove both the dirt and the soap, and

> your hands become clean. "

> The ego or the mind or the conventional logic -I use them

> synonmously- is the dirt, while the understanding that results from

> seeing life experience between mentations is the soap. The

> conventional logic is very well constructed, therefore, the

> understanding that dawn from seeing life between mentations has to

> be air tight. Otherwise, the conventional logic will not be

> completely washed away.

> Dear Alan, I hope that now you can appreciate my very logical

> approach and my expression.

> God Bles

> mourad

>

> , Alan Jacobs

> <alanadamsjacobs wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mourad,

> >

> > It is good to read postings from personal experience rather than

> from

> > theoretical reasoning.This was helpful. Thanks.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Alan

> >

> >

> > --- mourad <mourad_shamel wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Friends

> > > When I was aged 24 years, the SadGuru Gurudav -Padmanabha Nenon,

> the

> > > son of the late SadGuru Krishnamenon otherwise known as

> Atmananda,

> > > who was contemporary to Ramana- was visiting Cairo. I managed to

> > > have a private interview with him. I had two questions that

> bothered

> > > me, and I asked Gurudave these questions and His Grace answered

> them

> > > for me simply and plainly. I will post the questions as well as

> the

> > > answers.

> > >

> > > First Question:

> > > Q: It was said that sleep might change its character and

> NirviKalpa

> > > Samadhi is experienced; Why It did not happen to me?

> > > Gurudave: Your emphasis was not on seeing Samadhi, still on the

> > > sleep and the dream, a shift of emphasis has to happen.

> > >

> > > Second Question:

> > > Q: It was said that Reality or Truth appears in the interval

> between

> > > thoughts. So how can I prolong this interval so that I can

> > > experience Reality?

> > > Gurudave: It is not a matter of prolonging, it is a seeing of

> what

> > > is there between thoughts.You have to see the nature of

> experience

> > > between mentations, the nature of life experiences between

> > > mentations and accordingly you change your

> prespective.Mentations

> > > makes you see the experience according to your previous

> > > understanding. A knew prespective has to be cultivated to

> replace

> > > the old understanding based on the Seeing that occurs between

> > > mentations.You should never doubt what you experience between

> > > mentations, this is my counsel to you.

> > > ++++++++++++++++++++

> > > I met Sri Gurudave -in Cairo- a couple of times later; and we

> never

> > > discussed this point again.

> > >

> > > mourad

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>