Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Dear Mango Tree, Just so. I find upsets, and things to which I react as wonderful opportunities for practice. The upset, the reaction, IS ALWAYS from some stand as an individual. What is that stand that I am taking? Is this who I really am? Is this worth giving up my happiness for? The reaction comes and goes. What never comes and never goes? Who am I? Om Arunachala, Richard , mango tree <oldmangotree wrote: > > instead of reacting and following it up, why dont we ask " who is it that is reacting? " > in that way, we as bhagavan ramana maharshi's devotees, we are sincerely tracing every thought to it's Source because thats what the sadhana is all about. its about the effort, dear devotees. continuous effort. its about exercising dispassion. only those matters... let us not be affected by anything else... > > yellaam Bhagavanukku samarpanam > > MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere wrote: > Dear Pula > You are heard, you are heard very keenly. > Whatever Alan Chadwick reported about that incident which the Maharshi > so keenly perceived and highlighted, it is felt that the insidious > undermining of the teaching is far more prevalent now. It feels as > though the entire architecture of the Ramana edifice has become infested > with woodworm. > One joins this list in sincerity with faith in the wording on the > wrapper which claims that it is " Blessed by Sri Bhagavan Ramana. " > And then one logs in to read: " We are taking this day as a Holy day. We > have a recording of a recent SAT retreat, where Nome reads from and > comments on Ramana's " Who am I?' " > How very sad it is that the words of our master are being used as a > means of promoting a commercial concern, and that management appears to > do nothing about it! > > Regarding the link you sent: The owner of the blog seems to me to be a > wise man who speaks from the depths of experience, from the heart. > Perhaps you would do well to " hang out " (as they say these days) with > him and to explore the sites he has made. > > I am astonished and, I must confess, seething at the blatant undermining > of the pure teaching of the Maharshi which appears to have infected so > many sites. > > Most sincerely, > > -Michael- > > , Pula <phool_2_u@> wrote: > > > > Pula has sent you a link to a blog: > > > > ripupaksha and bhagavan sri ramana maharishi . bhagavan said > “they came > > here to try and undermine this teaching.†? this is for now too > . > > > > Blog: ACALAYOGA > > Post: They came here to try and undermine this teaching > > Link: > > > http://acalayoga.blogspot.com/2008/05/they-came-here-to-try-and-undermin\ > e.html > > > > -- > > Powered by Blogger > > http://www.blogger.com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 vanakkam richard, Bhagavan has said that the only choice one has in ones life is to whether one wants to internalise or not...and when you reflect that statement, it will reveal itself that every moment in one's life, life itself will present the opportunity to turn inwards. of course there is the prahrabdha karma factor...at the end of the day, part of wisdom therefore is to stay quiet and just trace every thought to it's Source... anbudan Richard Clarke <richard wrote: Dear Mango Tree, Just so. I find upsets, and things to which I react as wonderful opportunities for practice. The upset, the reaction, IS ALWAYS from some stand as an individual. What is that stand that I am taking? Is this who I really am? Is this worth giving up my happiness for? The reaction comes and goes. What never comes and never goes? Who am I? Om Arunachala, Richard , mango tree <oldmangotree wrote: > > instead of reacting and following it up, why dont we ask " who is it that is reacting? " > in that way, we as bhagavan ramana maharshi's devotees, we are sincerely tracing every thought to it's Source because thats what the sadhana is all about. its about the effort, dear devotees. continuous effort. its about exercising dispassion. only those matters... let us not be affected by anything else... > > yellaam Bhagavanukku samarpanam > > MIchael Cape-Meadows <ramanatmosphere wrote: > Dear Pula > You are heard, you are heard very keenly. > Whatever Alan Chadwick reported about that incident which the Maharshi > so keenly perceived and highlighted, it is felt that the insidious > undermining of the teaching is far more prevalent now. It feels as > though the entire architecture of the Ramana edifice has become infested > with woodworm. > One joins this list in sincerity with faith in the wording on the > wrapper which claims that it is " Blessed by Sri Bhagavan Ramana. " > And then one logs in to read: " We are taking this day as a Holy day. We > have a recording of a recent SAT retreat, where Nome reads from and > comments on Ramana's " Who am I?' " > How very sad it is that the words of our master are being used as a > means of promoting a commercial concern, and that management appears to > do nothing about it! > > Regarding the link you sent: The owner of the blog seems to me to be a > wise man who speaks from the depths of experience, from the heart. > Perhaps you would do well to " hang out " (as they say these days) with > him and to explore the sites he has made. > > I am astonished and, I must confess, seething at the blatant undermining > of the pure teaching of the Maharshi which appears to have infected so > many sites. > > Most sincerely, > > -Michael- > > , Pula <phool_2_u@> wrote: > > > > Pula has sent you a link to a blog: > > > > ripupaksha and bhagavan sri ramana maharishi . bhagavan said > “they came > > here to try and undermine this teaching.†? this is for now too > . > > > > Blog: ACALAYOGA > > Post: They came here to try and undermine this teaching > > Link: > > > http://acalayoga.blogspot.com/2008/05/they-came-here-to-try-and-undermin\ > e.html > > > > -- > > Powered by Blogger > > http://www.blogger.com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Dear Harsha and Group, If I may, I would like to write a bit about Nome. For me, Nome was my introduction to Sri Ramana. Nome was also my introduction to Ramanasramam and Arunachala. Nome learned about Ramana when in his teens, and practiced Self-inquiry. Since then he has taken the time to know the teachings or Ramana and Adi Sankara in some depth. When visiting Tiruvannamalai with Nome, Nome would not offer satsang here. He said there is only one Guru here, Ramana. Nome also has done much translation work. Probably the best know is 'Song of Ribhu' - the Tamil Ribhu Gita. This was published by SAT. They will probably never recover the cost of printing. They gave, at no cost, Ramanasramam the rights to reprint this in India, so that it could be offered to seekers here at rupee prices, rather than US prices intended to perhaps eventually recover the cost of printing. Ramanasramam is on their second printing. Nome is deeply steeped in the teachings of Ramana, and offers nothing of his own teachings, but rather offers a way for those who listen to him to become deeper in Ramana's teaching. He teaches only Self-inquiry, which is what he practiced. When at the Ramana Centre for Learning, in Bangalore, I noticed that A.R. Natarajan, who had mahasamadhi some months ago, called Nome, " Ramana prasad. " So for me it is hard to separate Nome and Ramana. I listen to recordings of Nome, since there are not such recordings of Ramana. When I listen to these recordings, what I hear is Ramana's teaching. On our recent 'holy day' what we listened to was Nome read and comment on Ramana's 'Who am I?' and answer questions about this. These teachings have meant enough to me that I, a few months ago, disposed of my lifetime's accumulation of material objects and moved to Tiruvannamalai, to be near Ramanasramam and Arunachala. They are the focus of my life now. I also write some about Nome. He does nothing to promote himself (unlike many others who I know of). He has no interest in 'name and fame' but only in teaching those who are ready to listen and then practice. I have found his teaching to be deep, absolute, and uncompromising. I have also found that it has opened my mind and heart to Ramana's teachings. I am sorry if my talking about Nome bothers some in the group. I talk about Nome because he is my access point to Ramana's teaching. All I hear from Nome is Ramana's teaching. I have noticed that some seem 'doctrinaire' about Ramana's teachings. I am glad that they are mature enough spiritually where this is all that they need. For me this was not the case, and I am grateful to have been able to listen to Nome for a number of years, so that Ramana's teaching can shine in my heart. I offer some of this teaching, feeling that perhaps I am not the only one who can benefit from it. Om Arunachala, Richard , " Harsha " wrote: > > > On Behalf Of MIchael Cape-Meadows > Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:17 AM > > Re: ACALAYOGA : They came here to try and undermine this teaching > > Dear Pula > You are heard, you are heard very keenly. > Whatever Alan Chadwick reported about that incident which the Maharshi > so keenly perceived and highlighted, it is felt that the insidious > undermining of the teaching is far more prevalent now. It feels as > though the entire architecture of the Ramana edifice has become infested > with woodworm. > One joins this list in sincerity with faith in the wording on the > wrapper which claims that it is " Blessed by Sri Bhagavan Ramana. " > And then one logs in to read: " We are taking this day as a Holy day. We > have a recording of a recent SAT retreat, where Nome reads from and > comments on Ramana's " Who am I?' " > How very sad it is that the words of our master are being used as a > means of promoting a commercial concern, and that management appears to > do nothing about it! > _________________________ > Dear Michael, that is a good point. We should not do advertising for commercial concerns here. Richard, please do take care on this matter. A number of members have expressed concerns to me on this. This list is devoted to the teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi and not any other middle person. I hope I am not being too bold in saying this. You are valued member of the sangha Richard. > > On the other hand, I want to say to everyone that Richard has not said anything objectionable that I am aware of. Further, Richard is in Arunachala which is auspicious and sending beautiful pictures and articles about Arunachala which we all appreciate. Since Richard has studied with Nome, naturally he gravitates towards that. Why should people be angry with him because of that? > > Also, Michael, you seem disappointed with the management of the list. I am sorry to hear that. I work full time and do the best I can. Possibly there are other Sri Ramana lists or websites which are more pure about Sri Ramana's teaching where you will feel more satisfied and at home. The list is what it is. Yes, it is blessed by Bhagavan Ramana. That is why the devotees are not angry people. Sri Ramana got angry now and then but he was not an angry person. > > I see some devotees who seem to be perpetually seething or bitter at something or another. I wonder why. It is, in fact, not easy for a spiritually mature person to work himself up and become angry. Once in a while if the situation demands, yes. But to be angry all the time, what is that but ignorance in full force parading as wisdom. The claim of anger that Sri Bhagavan's teaching is being misrepresented is a complete farce. Bhagavan himself used to laugh at such things. We do not force people to join the list and we do not stop people from leaving if they are not satisfied. We wish everyone well. So what is the problem? And if there is a problem, what is the solution? Bhagavan told Kunju Swami to focus on what he came to Sri Ramana for. So those who are overly critical of others can ask themselves why they came to this list in the first place. And if the list is not satisfactory, why not move on to something else. > > Namaste and love to all > Harsha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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