Jump to content
IndiaDivine.org

Need help

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

Guest guest

Hello All,

 

I had been going through lot of mental conflict because of various

thoughts. Just wanted to know is it good to have ambition, dreams and

goals. Sometimes I feel that only pushes to work. But when I think of

Divine Will, Surrender etc, it makes me think should we have goals or

should we just go by what time takes us. This thought confuses me a

lot. Either I'm in this extreme where I feel goal pushes me, energizes

me and sometimes I go to other extreme thinking everything will happen

and happens by Divine will, so just do as it comes.

 

But to tell the truth, deep in mind, it is the goal which I had been

attached to.

 

Thanks

Palani

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Dear Palani,

 

I have often been in this circumstances and find this aphorism helpful on these

occaisions to pacify the tormented mind.

 

" Our actions in themselves are neither virtuous nor sinful.

They are simply activities of the divine Shakti. We give them the dual names,

and suffer through ignorance. "

 

This is a saying of Swami Ramdas, the Sage who received the darshan of Sri

Ramana Maharshi, after a long tapas, and then spent some time in a cave in

Arunachala before his Realisation.

 

All best wishes and regards,

 

Alan

 

 

--- On Mon, 2/6/08, ksrpal2002 <ksrpal2002 wrote:

 

ksrpal2002 <ksrpal2002

Need help

 

Monday, 2 June, 2008, 1:53 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello All,

 

I had been going through lot of mental conflict because of various

thoughts. Just wanted to know is it good to have ambition, dreams and

goals. Sometimes I feel that only pushes to work. But when I think of

Divine Will, Surrender etc, it makes me think should we have goals or

should we just go by what time takes us. This thought confuses me a

lot. Either I'm in this extreme where I feel goal pushes me, energizes

me and sometimes I go to other extreme thinking everything will happen

and happens by Divine will, so just do as it comes.

 

But to tell the truth, deep in mind, it is the goal which I had been

attached to.

 

Thanks

Palani

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Thanks Alan. It is a very true saying. Just trying to keep complete faith in God

and praying to make me understand that He is everything.

 

--- On Mon, 6/2/08, Alan Jacobs & lt;alanadamsjacobs & gt; wrote:

 

Alan Jacobs & lt;alanadamsjacobs & gt;

Re: Need help

 

Monday, June 2, 2008, 10:27 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Palani,

 

I have often been in this circumstances and find this aphorism helpful on these

occaisions to pacify the tormented mind.

 

" Our actions in themselves are neither virtuous nor sinful.

They are simply activities of the divine Shakti. We give them the dual names,

and suffer through ignorance. "

 

This is a saying of Swami Ramdas, the Sage who received the darshan of Sri

Ramana Maharshi, after a long tapas, and then spent some time in a cave in

Arunachala before his Realisation.

 

All best wishes and regards,

 

Alan

 

--- On Mon, 2/6/08, ksrpal2002 & lt;ksrpal2002 & gt; wrote:

 

ksrpal2002 & lt;ksrpal2002 & gt;

Need help

 

Monday, 2 June, 2008, 1:53 AM

 

Hello All,

 

I had been going through lot of mental conflict because of various

thoughts. Just wanted to know is it good to have ambition, dreams and

goals. Sometimes I feel that only pushes to work. But when I think of

Divine Will, Surrender etc, it makes me think should we have goals or

should we just go by what time takes us. This thought confuses me a

lot. Either I'm in this extreme where I feel goal pushes me, energizes

me and sometimes I go to other extreme thinking everything will happen

and happens by Divine will, so just do as it comes.

 

But to tell the truth, deep in mind, it is the goal which I had been

attached to.

 

Thanks

Palani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Dear Palani,

 

Yes, we are in the midst of a truly amazing divine paradox! Our better

tendencies are struggling to follow the teaching (Self Enquiry and Surrender),

but the worldly tendencies seem to be pulling the other way.

 

Yet, once we are firmly on the Direct Path, we have to endeavour to follow

the better tendencies, while accepting that everything else that happens, in a

strange way, is also part of the Divine will for our spiritual development;

sometimes beyond our understanding.

 

As you rightly say great faith and prayer are needed. We are all in the

same boat until Realisation.

 

You are not alone, every sadhak has to pass through this dilemna, when he

or she is on this great adventure in Consciousness.

 

All love and best wishes,

 

In His Grace,

 

Alan

 

--- On Mon, 2/6/08, Palaniappan C <ksrpal2002 wrote:

 

Palaniappan C <ksrpal2002

Re: Need help

 

Monday, 2 June, 2008, 10:02 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Alan. It is a very true saying. Just trying to keep complete faith in God

and praying to make me understand that He is everything.

 

--- On Mon, 6/2/08, Alan Jacobs & lt;alanadamsjacobs@ .co. uk & gt; wrote:

 

Alan Jacobs & lt;alanadamsjacobs@ .co. uk & gt;

Re: Need help

 

Monday, June 2, 2008, 10:27 AM

 

Dear Palani,

 

I have often been in this circumstances and find this aphorism helpful on these

occaisions to pacify the tormented mind.

 

" Our actions in themselves are neither virtuous nor sinful.

They are simply activities of the divine Shakti. We give them the dual names,

and suffer through ignorance. "

 

This is a saying of Swami Ramdas, the Sage who received the darshan of Sri

Ramana Maharshi, after a long tapas, and then spent some time in a cave in

Arunachala before his Realisation.

 

All best wishes and regards,

 

Alan

 

--- On Mon, 2/6/08, ksrpal2002 & lt;ksrpal2002 & gt; wrote:

 

ksrpal2002 & lt;ksrpal2002 & gt;

Need help

 

Monday, 2 June, 2008, 1:53 AM

 

Hello All,

 

I had been going through lot of mental conflict because of various

thoughts. Just wanted to know is it good to have ambition, dreams and

goals. Sometimes I feel that only pushes to work. But when I think of

Divine Will, Surrender etc, it makes me think should we have goals or

should we just go by what time takes us. This thought confuses me a

lot. Either I'm in this extreme where I feel goal pushes me, energizes

me and sometimes I go to other extreme thinking everything will happen

and happens by Divine will, so just do as it comes.

 

But to tell the truth, deep in mind, it is the goal which I had been

attached to.

 

Thanks

Palani

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Dear Palani,

 

You have good good responses on this. I just wanted to add one more

response.

 

You question about what actions, goals, etc. and how to deal with the

personal identity and the devine all have as their base your own

identity as an individual, a jiva.

 

From the standpoint of a jiva there is cause and effect, karma, birth

and death, etc. Ramana teaches Self-inquiry. This is so that you are

able to ascertain the truth of your identity. What is your nature? Is

it something that comes and goes? Or is it something that is always there?

 

For the jiva there is maya and samsara. What maya is there for

Brahman, for Siva?

 

The old texts say that jiva is Siva.

 

The questions about jiva will never be resolved until ones true

identity is known. Then it is revealed that jiva never existed in the

first place, it was just an assumption, just imagination.

 

The gita says that liberation does not come from action, but rather

from knowledge. Knowledge of what? Self-knowledge. Inquiry brings

Self-knowledge. Actions just bring more actions. The the Gita goes on

to say, if you must act, then act for God, not for yourself. This is a

step along the way. If you need to use this step, then do so. But

remember that it is just a step, and that finally knowledge of your

Self is the way to deep inner peace.

 

Om Arunachala,

Richard

 

, " ksrpal2002 " <ksrpal2002

wrote:

>

> Hello All,

>

> I had been going through lot of mental conflict because of various

> thoughts. Just wanted to know is it good to have ambition, dreams and

> goals. Sometimes I feel that only pushes to work. But when I think of

> Divine Will, Surrender etc, it makes me think should we have goals or

> should we just go by what time takes us. This thought confuses me a

> lot. Either I'm in this extreme where I feel goal pushes me, energizes

> me and sometimes I go to other extreme thinking everything will happen

> and happens by Divine will, so just do as it comes.

>

> But to tell the truth, deep in mind, it is the goal which I had been

> attached to.

>

> Thanks

> Palani

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...