Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Hello All, I had been going through lot of mental conflict because of various thoughts. Just wanted to know is it good to have ambition, dreams and goals. Sometimes I feel that only pushes to work. But when I think of Divine Will, Surrender etc, it makes me think should we have goals or should we just go by what time takes us. This thought confuses me a lot. Either I'm in this extreme where I feel goal pushes me, energizes me and sometimes I go to other extreme thinking everything will happen and happens by Divine will, so just do as it comes. But to tell the truth, deep in mind, it is the goal which I had been attached to. Thanks Palani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Dear Palani, I have often been in this circumstances and find this aphorism helpful on these occaisions to pacify the tormented mind. " Our actions in themselves are neither virtuous nor sinful. They are simply activities of the divine Shakti. We give them the dual names, and suffer through ignorance. " This is a saying of Swami Ramdas, the Sage who received the darshan of Sri Ramana Maharshi, after a long tapas, and then spent some time in a cave in Arunachala before his Realisation. All best wishes and regards, Alan --- On Mon, 2/6/08, ksrpal2002 <ksrpal2002 wrote: ksrpal2002 <ksrpal2002 Need help Monday, 2 June, 2008, 1:53 AM Hello All, I had been going through lot of mental conflict because of various thoughts. Just wanted to know is it good to have ambition, dreams and goals. Sometimes I feel that only pushes to work. But when I think of Divine Will, Surrender etc, it makes me think should we have goals or should we just go by what time takes us. This thought confuses me a lot. Either I'm in this extreme where I feel goal pushes me, energizes me and sometimes I go to other extreme thinking everything will happen and happens by Divine will, so just do as it comes. But to tell the truth, deep in mind, it is the goal which I had been attached to. Thanks Palani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Thanks Alan. It is a very true saying. Just trying to keep complete faith in God and praying to make me understand that He is everything. --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Alan Jacobs & lt;alanadamsjacobs & gt; wrote: Alan Jacobs & lt;alanadamsjacobs & gt; Re: Need help Monday, June 2, 2008, 10:27 AM Dear Palani, I have often been in this circumstances and find this aphorism helpful on these occaisions to pacify the tormented mind. " Our actions in themselves are neither virtuous nor sinful. They are simply activities of the divine Shakti. We give them the dual names, and suffer through ignorance. " This is a saying of Swami Ramdas, the Sage who received the darshan of Sri Ramana Maharshi, after a long tapas, and then spent some time in a cave in Arunachala before his Realisation. All best wishes and regards, Alan --- On Mon, 2/6/08, ksrpal2002 & lt;ksrpal2002 & gt; wrote: ksrpal2002 & lt;ksrpal2002 & gt; Need help Monday, 2 June, 2008, 1:53 AM Hello All, I had been going through lot of mental conflict because of various thoughts. Just wanted to know is it good to have ambition, dreams and goals. Sometimes I feel that only pushes to work. But when I think of Divine Will, Surrender etc, it makes me think should we have goals or should we just go by what time takes us. This thought confuses me a lot. Either I'm in this extreme where I feel goal pushes me, energizes me and sometimes I go to other extreme thinking everything will happen and happens by Divine will, so just do as it comes. But to tell the truth, deep in mind, it is the goal which I had been attached to. Thanks Palani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Dear Palani, Yes, we are in the midst of a truly amazing divine paradox! Our better tendencies are struggling to follow the teaching (Self Enquiry and Surrender), but the worldly tendencies seem to be pulling the other way. Yet, once we are firmly on the Direct Path, we have to endeavour to follow the better tendencies, while accepting that everything else that happens, in a strange way, is also part of the Divine will for our spiritual development; sometimes beyond our understanding. As you rightly say great faith and prayer are needed. We are all in the same boat until Realisation. You are not alone, every sadhak has to pass through this dilemna, when he or she is on this great adventure in Consciousness. All love and best wishes, In His Grace, Alan --- On Mon, 2/6/08, Palaniappan C <ksrpal2002 wrote: Palaniappan C <ksrpal2002 Re: Need help Monday, 2 June, 2008, 10:02 AM Thanks Alan. It is a very true saying. Just trying to keep complete faith in God and praying to make me understand that He is everything. --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Alan Jacobs & lt;alanadamsjacobs@ .co. uk & gt; wrote: Alan Jacobs & lt;alanadamsjacobs@ .co. uk & gt; Re: Need help Monday, June 2, 2008, 10:27 AM Dear Palani, I have often been in this circumstances and find this aphorism helpful on these occaisions to pacify the tormented mind. " Our actions in themselves are neither virtuous nor sinful. They are simply activities of the divine Shakti. We give them the dual names, and suffer through ignorance. " This is a saying of Swami Ramdas, the Sage who received the darshan of Sri Ramana Maharshi, after a long tapas, and then spent some time in a cave in Arunachala before his Realisation. All best wishes and regards, Alan --- On Mon, 2/6/08, ksrpal2002 & lt;ksrpal2002 & gt; wrote: ksrpal2002 & lt;ksrpal2002 & gt; Need help Monday, 2 June, 2008, 1:53 AM Hello All, I had been going through lot of mental conflict because of various thoughts. Just wanted to know is it good to have ambition, dreams and goals. Sometimes I feel that only pushes to work. But when I think of Divine Will, Surrender etc, it makes me think should we have goals or should we just go by what time takes us. This thought confuses me a lot. Either I'm in this extreme where I feel goal pushes me, energizes me and sometimes I go to other extreme thinking everything will happen and happens by Divine will, so just do as it comes. But to tell the truth, deep in mind, it is the goal which I had been attached to. Thanks Palani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Dear Palani, You have good good responses on this. I just wanted to add one more response. You question about what actions, goals, etc. and how to deal with the personal identity and the devine all have as their base your own identity as an individual, a jiva. From the standpoint of a jiva there is cause and effect, karma, birth and death, etc. Ramana teaches Self-inquiry. This is so that you are able to ascertain the truth of your identity. What is your nature? Is it something that comes and goes? Or is it something that is always there? For the jiva there is maya and samsara. What maya is there for Brahman, for Siva? The old texts say that jiva is Siva. The questions about jiva will never be resolved until ones true identity is known. Then it is revealed that jiva never existed in the first place, it was just an assumption, just imagination. The gita says that liberation does not come from action, but rather from knowledge. Knowledge of what? Self-knowledge. Inquiry brings Self-knowledge. Actions just bring more actions. The the Gita goes on to say, if you must act, then act for God, not for yourself. This is a step along the way. If you need to use this step, then do so. But remember that it is just a step, and that finally knowledge of your Self is the way to deep inner peace. Om Arunachala, Richard , " ksrpal2002 " <ksrpal2002 wrote: > > Hello All, > > I had been going through lot of mental conflict because of various > thoughts. Just wanted to know is it good to have ambition, dreams and > goals. Sometimes I feel that only pushes to work. But when I think of > Divine Will, Surrender etc, it makes me think should we have goals or > should we just go by what time takes us. This thought confuses me a > lot. Either I'm in this extreme where I feel goal pushes me, energizes > me and sometimes I go to other extreme thinking everything will happen > and happens by Divine will, so just do as it comes. > > But to tell the truth, deep in mind, it is the goal which I had been > attached to. > > Thanks > Palani > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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