Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 People are talking about misery, and you must think that they want to get rid of that misery -- you are wrong. Never try to belittle their misery: they will be very angry and they will never forgive you. They are rejoicing that they have the greatest misery in the world -- and you are trying to belittle it or ignore it! The human mind is a very strange creature. Rather than trying to understand your misery, you start glorifying it. You start feeling a kind of martyrdom -- and martyrdom is a disease, a sickness of the soul. But the whole tradition of humanity has praised the martyrs as great human beings. They were simply masochists who wanted an opportunity to be tortured! Nobody says so because that means your whole history has to be written again: it is not about the sincere and the real people, it is about the sick psychopaths. <http://www.osho.com/> Everything depends on how you view life. It is you who makes it, it is you who experiences it and it is you who interprets it. You are absolutely alone. Nobody ever enters into your life. Nobody ever can. If anyone does, it is because you give him permission. Now this understanding brings up a problem, and because of this problem you have chosen to forget your understanding. The problem is: if you realize that you alone are responsible, then you cannot suffer. And still if you choose to suffer then you cannot complain. You enjoy both the suffering and the complaining. You enjoy pain and suffering because then you feel like a martyr. There is great pleasure in martyrdom. When you are unhappy, you ask for sympathy, and sympathy is very pleasant. That is why people exaggerate their suffering tenfold, while telling it to other people. What could be the reason that people go on telling their tales of suffering when nobody wants to listen. <http://www.osho.com/> OshO <http://www.osho.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > People are talking about misery, and you must think that they want to > get rid of that misery -- you are wrong. Never try to belittle their > misery: they will be very angry and they will never forgive you. They > are rejoicing that they have the greatest misery in the world -- and you > are trying to belittle it or ignore it! The human mind is a very strange > creature. Rather than trying to understand your misery, you start > glorifying it. > > You start feeling a kind of martyrdom -- and martyrdom is a disease, a > sickness of the soul. But the whole tradition of humanity has praised > the martyrs as great human beings. They were simply masochists who > wanted an opportunity to be tortured! Nobody says so because that means > your whole history has to be written again: it is not about the sincere > and the real people, it is about the sick psychopaths. > <http://www.osho.com/> > > Everything depends on how you view life. It is you who makes it, it is > you who experiences it and it is you who interprets it. You are > absolutely alone. Nobody ever enters into your life. Nobody ever can. If > anyone does, it is because you give him permission. Now this > understanding brings up a problem, and because of this problem you have > chosen to forget your understanding. The problem is: if you realize that > you alone are responsible, then you cannot suffer. And still if you > choose to suffer then you cannot complain. You enjoy both the suffering > and the complaining. > > > > > You enjoy pain and suffering because then you feel like a martyr. There > is great pleasure in martyrdom. When you are unhappy, you ask for > sympathy, and sympathy is very pleasant. That is why people exaggerate > their suffering tenfold, while telling it to other people. What could be > the reason that people go on telling their tales of suffering when > nobody wants to listen. > hahahahaha poor suffering acharia rajneesh... i've seen him in his ashram in poona, in 1978 (when he still dared to call himself " bhagwan " ), and when he looked at me, i saw big fear in his eyes. well, i refused to wear orange robes - prefered my jeens and blue t-shirt, and after being smelled (i was told that " bhagwan " is so sensitive and spiritual, that perfume or perfumed soap in his presence may give him asthma attack), i said that 'bhagwan' means god; and my god has no psychosomatic diseases. after a while i was asked to leave the ashram. the final accord was being checked by police, along with all other guest. the cops were called by " the master " , because someon stole a transistor radio. anyway, " even blind chicken pecking in the dark hits upon a grain occasionally " as the saying goes. so, having masticated for years all kinds of mystic writings of all tradition, even rajneesh offers occasionally what appears as a genuine insight; but detached as it is from a whole and complete teaching, this too may bring more harm then benefit. the only way to check spiritual progress is in natural developement and increase of student's true humility and compassion. and fearlessnes... but everybody gets whatever they deserve - people who choose to follow rajneesh's " teaching " included. but the only true message of a master (or pretender alike) is his/her life. and this is true for each and everyone of us, dear friends. moment to moment. poor miserable rajneesh. BOOM! yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 , " yosyx " <yosyflug wrote: > > , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > People are talking about misery, and you must think that they want > to > > get rid of that misery -- you are wrong. Never try to belittle their > > misery: they will be very angry and they will never forgive you. > They > > are rejoicing that they have the greatest misery in the world -- > and you > > are trying to belittle it or ignore it! The human mind is a very > strange > > creature. Rather than trying to understand your misery, you start > > glorifying it. > > > > You start feeling a kind of martyrdom -- and martyrdom is a > disease, a > > sickness of the soul. But the whole tradition of humanity has > praised > > the martyrs as great human beings. They were simply masochists who > > wanted an opportunity to be tortured! Nobody says so because that > means > > your whole history has to be written again: it is not about the > sincere > > and the real people, it is about the sick psychopaths. > > <http://www.osho.com/> > > > > Everything depends on how you view life. It is you who makes it, it > is > > you who experiences it and it is you who interprets it. You are > > absolutely alone. Nobody ever enters into your life. Nobody ever > can. If > > anyone does, it is because you give him permission. Now this > > understanding brings up a problem, and because of this problem you > have > > chosen to forget your understanding. The problem is: if you realize > that > > you alone are responsible, then you cannot suffer. And still if you > > choose to suffer then you cannot complain. You enjoy both the > suffering > > and the complaining. > > > > > > > > > > You enjoy pain and suffering because then you feel like a martyr. > There > > is great pleasure in martyrdom. When you are unhappy, you ask for > > sympathy, and sympathy is very pleasant. That is why people > exaggerate > > their suffering tenfold, while telling it to other people. What > could be > > the reason that people go on telling their tales of suffering when > > nobody wants to listen. > > > > > > hahahahaha poor suffering acharia rajneesh... > i've seen him in his ashram in poona, in 1978 I visited the in Oregon in 85 and had a weirdest experince too..Osho was flown in by a copter from the sky in diamond studded multy-layered sparkling purple Roll Roys I loved the guy in LA before that..and I still do. I posted the saying having a vision of clinics blown up by terrorists ...on my pro-choice mind.. sorry yosy > (when he still dared to call himself " bhagwan " ), > and when he looked at me, i saw big fear in his > eyes. well, i refused to wear orange robes - > prefered my jeens and blue t-shirt, and after > being smelled (i was told that " bhagwan " is so > sensitive and spiritual, that perfume or perfumed > soap in his presence may give him asthma attack), > i said that 'bhagwan' means god; and my god has > no psychosomatic diseases. after a while i was asked > to leave the ashram. the final accord was being checked > by police, along with all other guest. the cops were > called by " the master " , because someon stole a > transistor radio. anyway, " even blind chicken > pecking in the dark hits upon a grain occasionally " > as the saying goes. so, having masticated for years > all kinds of mystic writings of all tradition, > even rajneesh offers occasionally what appears > as a genuine insight; but detached as it is from > a whole and complete teaching, this too may bring > more harm then benefit. the only way to check > spiritual progress is in natural developement and > increase of student's true humility and compassion. > and fearlessnes... > but everybody gets whatever they deserve - people > who choose to follow rajneesh's " teaching " included. > but the only true message of a master (or pretender > alike) is his/her life. and this is true for each > and everyone of us, dear friends. moment to moment. > poor miserable rajneesh. > > BOOM! > > yosy Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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