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, " Richard Clarke " <richard

wrote:

>

> Dear Yosy,

>

> Yes, Please sit.

>

> Om Arunachala,

> Richard

>

 

 

:) thank you for your kind permission...

 

yosy

 

 

ps. this is the only verbal upadesa

i received from my guru, in 1978. he

told me: " sit. wait. " so i do mothing,

and rest... and all is perfect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nnb

 

 

> , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote:

> >

> > , " Richard Clarke "

<richard@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Josy,

> > >

> > > I want to comment on your post. You say:

> > >

> > > advaita cannot be taught. it is a whole and complete way of

life. it

> > > can be learned, though. it can be realized by following

consistently

> > > the teachings of non-duality, and eventually adopting fully the

> > > non-dual attitude. but this, too, is an act of grace.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As I read this, it seems like a criticism of teachers.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > hehehe " true virue fears no critique "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Maybe I am just

> > > reading something into it that is not there. For myself, I have

> > found

> > > that, though the seeker must look within, having a teacher, in

a

> > body,

> > > who instructs in where and how to look can be wonderful. It may

be

> > > that you have not had the grace of a teacher in a body in this

life.

> > > Maybe you did not need one. For most people, I think, a teacher

is

> > of

> > > great importance. Certainly Ramana is that teacher for many of

us.

> > > There have been many teachers for thousands of years in many

> > different

> > > places, who taught with both words and silence (depending I

suspect

> > on

> > > whom he was `instructing'). Some of these `teachings' have been

> > > recorded. Many, I think, have not been.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > the real, living teaching is delivered according

> > to the time, place and people, and by various (and

> > often unpercivable) means. the 'recorded teachings'

> > are precisely that, and nothing more.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > I have benefited greatly from having a teacher who seemed to be

in

> > the

> > > body. Before this I had read eastern books (mainly Zen,

especially

> > > Chan Buddhist), and tried to approach what I thought was the

> > teaching

> > > by myself, within myself. Now I see that I had `ego' as a

teacher,

> > and

> > > so was not able to reach beyond ego, was not able to reach

beyond

> > the

> > > same concepts that were in fact the limitation.

> > >

> > > Finding a teacher changed this. When I first heard him talk I

knew

> > it

> > > was the truth. I did not know what much of it meant, but I knew

it

> > was

> > > the truth. Listening to the teacher talk again and again,

meditating

> > > with him, having depth of meditation with the teacher that then

> > > extended to practice and life, etc. was my experience. For this

I am

> > > more grateful than I can say.

> > >

> > > The teacher reveals the Self as your very own nature, the only

> > nature

> > > that you have. The teacher `invites' you to look within to see

> > > directly the truth that you are. Ramana said that the teacher

pushes

> > > from without and pulls from within.

> > >

> > > It is said in this group and many other places that there are

> > > `so-called teachers' that take advantage of unwary seekers. I

am

> > sure

> > > this is so. There are also those teachers who stand directly as

> > That,

> > > exemplified by Sri Ramana, and show the seeker who they,

themselves,

> > > actually are. I think each of us knows what is true, and can

use

> > this

> > > knowledge to discern and discriminate what we hear from a

teacher.

> > (I

> > > would say that if a teacher makes any appeal to the ego, then

one

> > > should be cautious.) I have also heard things like, " When you

are

> > > ready, your guru will come. " and " You find the teacher that you

need

> > > at the time. " Maybe these are true, I don't know.

> > >

> > > I do know that for me, finding a teacher was great grace, and

that I

> > > was able to take the teachings and the example presented by the

> > > teacher, and look deeply within myself to see what is true. This

> > > seemed to change my thoughts, activities, and how I choose to

live.

> > I

> > > feel it is changing my own knowledge of who I am.

> > >

> > > So I say, " Thank you to all the teachers, wherever and whenever

you

> > > are. Thank you for showing us the truth about our own

existence.

> > This

> > > is the highest grace, the highest blessing. Thank you. "

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > the real and only teacher is the self/truth.

> > it is always present everywhere, regardless

> > of names and forms. the teaching is revealed

> > when the student approaches it with the right

> > attitude and capacity. when the student is ready,

> > it can be delivered by a tree or a cat; but if

> > s/he is not, even god in person addressing the

> > seeker directly will accomplish nothing...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > One other comment, you talk about, `adopting fully the non-dual

> > > attitude' as if this were some kind of action or thought. This

> > > happens, but as a natural result of atma vidya - Self knowledge.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > :) atma vidya is the result. adopting the attitude

> > is the means. no shortcuts.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Until

> > > then it is `just' a mental product, a thought – but I think an

> > > important one for a seeker since it can help direct the focus

> > within.

> > > The Gita says that action does not lead to liberation, only

> > knowledge

> > > – Self knowledge.

> > >

> > > Yes, nonduality is something that the seeker must find for

himself

> > > within himself. This is the atma vidya, Self-knowledge, that is

> > spoken

> > > of the by sages. What the seeker finds is that he or she IS

that

> > which

> > > was sought. This way nonduality is more than a mere `way of

life,'

> > it

> > > is existence as Existence itself.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > :) 'you' and your 'way of life' are one and

> > inseparable, my friend. you are the way; it

> > is the existence itself. understanding that

> > is the basis of " nonduality " . tat twam asi.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Maybe we are not talking about anything different. Certainly,

at the

> > > deepest, we cannot be. Maybe it is just language getting in the

way

> > of

> > > what is deeper than words or thoughts.

> > >

> > > May you stand in That as That itself.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > :) do you mind if i sit?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Om Arunachala,

> > > Richard

> > >

> >

> >

> > :) BOOM!

> >

> > yosy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > , " yosyx " <yosyflug@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Tim

> > > > >

> > > > :) " those who know, do not speak;

> > > > those who speak - do not know "

> > > > (tao te ching)

> > > >

> > > > the above applies without doubt to

> > > > all supposed neo + advaita teachers.

> > > >

> > > > they simply follow the law of demand and

> > > > supply - one has to make a living, no?

> > > >

> > > > advaita cannot be taught. it is a whole and

> > > > complete way of life. it can be learned, though.

> > > > it can be realized by following consistently

> > > > the teachings of non-duality, and eventually

> > > > adopting fully the non-dual attitude.

> > > > but this, too, is an act of grace.

> > > >

> > > > beloved ramana taught directly by his presence alone.

> > > > his " teachings " were just byproducts, spontaneous

> > > > acts of boundless compassion.

> > > >

> > > > yosy

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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