Parabrahman Dream during the sleep

June 20, 2008

, "Harsha" wrote:>> Dear Peter,> > > > We fully agree. For us, Sri Bhagavan Ramana is the Guru. He has no equals.> > > > Guru Brahma> > Guru Vishnu> > Gurudev Maheshwara> > Guru Sakshat, Parabrahman

I looked it up at wiki, thank you Harshaji.

Teachings of Navajyothi Sree Karunakara Guru

Spirituality is the essence of man that transcends life, death,

beliefs, customs, cultures etc. In the course of spiritual awakening

and evolution, man passes through Jagrat, Swapna, Sushupti, Turiyam,

Turiyateetham states (wakefulness, sleep, dream and deep sleep, etc).

The soul awakened in all these states of existence discovers Prakriti

or Nature and the various dimensions in the physical nature where

existence continues after death. With such a realized insight, the

Jnanis of yore discovered and expounded the meaning of life in its

fullest condition.

There is a soul, a `software' that is coming and going in life and

death. This software is an accumulation of the Karma Gathy(propensity

of the soul) of lakhs of births and deaths. The knowledge about the

soul, its existences in the various dimensions, the inherent,

inalterable laws by which it earns good and bad and evolves higher are

the soul knowledge. In the Kali Yuga (According to the Manu –the first

Guru- tradition of Indian spirituality, which constitutes the basis of

the original stream of Indian civilization called Sanatana Dharma, the

present age is Kaliyuga) man becomes fully awakened. He needs the

knowledge and guidance of the Jnani to conduct his life. Simple

religious observances, rituals, beliefs, traditions, convictions in

historical perspective, are not suitable at all.

At Santhigiri, NAVAJYOTHISREE KARUNAKARA GURU has rediscovered this

total reality and has expounded a fulfilling way of life suited to this

age. The subject matter of Ashram and its spirituality are based upon

the realizations and the teachings of Guru. While it may appear radical

to some, it will be easily seen that the subject matter are original

spirituality rediscovered. The contrast between spirituality and

religion is clearly seen. While history based religious traditions give

to us human beings separate identities, the spiritual outlook shows us

our universal individuality.

`GURU POOJA'- Spiritual Cleansing

There have ever been sincere efforts to bring about qualitative

changes in human thinking and behavior with the objective to usher in a

new human civilization. The Spiritual Visionaries and Social

revolutionaries envisaged benevolent social order in which man lives in

harmony with each other. But our experience has been that instead of

achieving qualitative transformation, human being has slipped down to

conflicting relationships with fellow beings and nature. The findings

of modern genetic science that basic human nature and capabilities are

genetically determined by birth - has brought about a new thinking

about the reasons behind the incorrigible human nature. Once the traits

of desirable and undesirable behavior and orientations find their way

into the genetic order, it is impossible to eliminate them from there.

The good and bad, and fortune and misfortune that we consider as the

determinants of human life are thus decided at the time of birth.

One of the basic tenets of Sanatana Dharma has been that the future

course of an individual's life depends on the cumulative effects of the

inherited vices and virtues that are engrained in one's jeeva or soul.

Unless and until the inherited impurities or bad effects of misdeeds in

past births are not wiped out or washed away from one's jeeva or

genetic order, the future life will be influenced and guided by those

negative instincts. It means a genetic cleansing is essential for

giving birth to pure progenies.

Though different means have been devised and prescribed by religions

and spiritual doctrines, no permanent solution has ever been there to

remove impurities and cleanse the evil effects in one's jeeva and thus

make possible a noble human life. On the spiritual fulfillment in 1973,

Navajyothisree Karunakara Guru got permission from Brahma Prakasham to

perform `Guru pooja' (Pithru Suddhi) by which the manes or ancestral

souls in different zodiacs are totally purified paving way for the

birth of children free of karmadosham or bad effects of previous deeds

in soul.

This Atmakarma (astral performance)is performed by the designated

spiritually evolved disciple on Guru's instruction. Not only manes or

pitrus are purified from the effects of bad deeds in previous births,

but also the powers which these ancestors had worshipped as God while

living, are also being liberated and given whatever is to be

spiritually given by Guru. Guru envisions the emergence of a new human

race and world order through such children born after this purification

karma called Gurupooja. This cleansing karma holds out the promise and

hope that a global cultural renaissance will be materialized through

this emerging generation leading to peace and tranquility in the world.

> > Tasmai Sri Guruve Nama> > > > Namaste and love to all> > > > Yours in Bhagavan> > Harsha> > > > On Behalf Of Peter> > Dear Harsha,> > Thank you for your good words. I have no quarrel with people's style. I only> wished to comment on the substance of what is said. I heartily agree with> the larger context in which you and Michael reframe his comments about the> lives and teachings of the Guru.> > > > Yes, the Guru is the teaching and the raft. No doubt an important part of> our journey is letting go the raft when the other shore is reached. As we> both know, the teachings and Guru's guidance are for the ajnani (the seeker> who has not yet removed ignorance) not for the jnani. So we would not wish> to cast the raft aside this side of 'the other shore', nor lead others to> think it is worthless and that by casting it aside they are treading the> path. (With this approach we enter the domain of neo-advaita, about which> Alan has written so well.) I'm not saying that you or Michael have> suggested this. I merely wish to affirm the value of the Guru and the> teaching. > > > > If no one had recorded Sri Ramana's conversation with Madhava - "I am not> real, Madhava" - you would not have been able to use it as a fine example of> the Guru's life and teaching which inspires us all in many different ways.> > > > With best wishes,> > > > Peter> > _____ > > > Dear Peter and everyone:> > We all have different ways of expression. There are many wild flowers in> this group but they have the fragrance and beauty of authenticity. The> essence of what Michael Bowes (NoName) is conveying is that in light of the> Self, everything becomes moot. Michael Bowes, Yosy, and so many others here> have a natural style of communication. They sees deeply into the nature of> things. > > Sri Ramana once said to his attendant (I believe it was Madhava), "I am not> real Madhava!". > > The Guru is the teaching. S/He becomes the raft, a bridge, the grace that> allows crossing to the other side. Once there, the bridge, the Guru, the> teaching, all sides, the river, the shores, everything disappears in the> Self. Only the Self remains. > > Namaste and love to all> > Yours in Bhagavan> Harsha> > .

June 20, 2008

Dear friends

please help

what is the connection to Harsha?

michael

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Era

Friday, June 20, 2008 5:32 PM

Parabrahman Re: Dream during the sleep

, "Harsha" wrote:>> Dear Peter,> > > > We fully agree. For us, Sri Bhagavan Ramana is the Guru. He has no equals.> > > > Guru Brahma> > Guru Vishnu> > Gurudev Maheshwara> > Guru Sakshat, Parabrahman I looked it up at wiki, thank you Harshaji.

Teachings of Navajyothi Sree Karunakara Guru

Spirituality is the essence of man that transcends life, death, beliefs, customs, cultures etc. In the course of spiritual awakening and evolution, man passes through Jagrat, Swapna, Sushupti, Turiyam, Turiyateetham states (wakefulness, sleep, dream and deep sleep, etc). The soul awakened in all these states of existence discovers Prakriti or Nature and the various dimensions in the physical nature where existence continues after death. With such a realized insight, the Jnanis of yore discovered and expounded the meaning of life in its fullest condition.

There is a soul, a `software' that is coming and going in life and death. This software is an accumulation of the Karma Gathy(propensity of the soul) of lakhs of births and deaths. The knowledge about the soul, its existences in the various dimensions, the inherent, inalterable laws by which it earns good and bad and evolves higher are the soul knowledge. In the Kali Yuga (According to the Manu –the first Guru- tradition of Indian spirituality, which constitutes the basis of the original stream of Indian civilization called Sanatana Dharma, the present age is Kaliyuga) man becomes fully awakened. He needs the knowledge and guidance of the Jnani to conduct his life. Simple religious observances, rituals, beliefs, traditions, convictions in historical perspective, are not suitable at all.

At Santhigiri, NAVAJYOTHISREE KARUNAKARA GURU has rediscovered this total reality and has expounded a fulfilling way of life suited to this age. The subject matter of Ashram and its spirituality are based upon the realizations and the teachings of Guru. While it may appear radical to some, it will be easily seen that the subject matter are original spirituality rediscovered. The contrast between spirituality and religion is clearly seen. While history based religious traditions give to us human beings separate identities, the spiritual outlook shows us our universal individuality.

`GURU POOJA'- Spiritual Cleansing

There have ever been sincere efforts to bring about qualitative changes in human thinking and behavior with the objective to usher in a new human civilization. The Spiritual Visionaries and Social revolutionaries envisaged benevolent social order in which man lives in harmony with each other. But our experience has been that instead of achieving qualitative transformation, human being has slipped down to conflicting relationships with fellow beings and nature. The findings of modern genetic science that basic human nature and capabilities are genetically determined by birth - has brought about a new thinking about the reasons behind the incorrigible human nature. Once the traits of desirable and undesirable behavior and orientations find their way into the genetic order, it is impossible to eliminate them from there. The good and bad, and fortune and misfortune that we consider as the determinants of human life are thus decided at the time of birth.

One of the basic tenets of Sanatana Dharma has been that the future course of an individual's life depends on the cumulative effects of the inherited vices and virtues that are engrained in one's jeeva or soul. Unless and until the inherited impurities or bad effects of misdeeds in past births are not wiped out or washed away from one's jeeva or genetic order, the future life will be influenced and guided by those negative instincts. It means a genetic cleansing is essential for giving birth to pure progenies.

Though different means have been devised and prescribed by religions and spiritual doctrines, no permanent solution has ever been there to remove impurities and cleanse the evil effects in one's jeeva and thus make possible a noble human life. On the spiritual fulfillment in 1973, Navajyothisree Karunakara Guru got permission from Brahma Prakasham to perform `Guru pooja' (Pithru Suddhi) by which the manes or ancestral souls in different zodiacs are totally purified paving way for the birth of children free of karmadosham or bad effects of previous deeds in soul.

This Atmakarma (astral performance)is performed by the designated spiritually evolved disciple on Guru's instruction. Not only manes or pitrus are purified from the effects of bad deeds in previous births, but also the powers which these ancestors had worshipped as God while living, are also being liberated and given whatever is to be spiritually given by Guru. Guru envisions the emergence of a new human race and world order through such children born after this purification karma called Gurupooja. This cleansing karma holds out the promise and hope that a global cultural renaissance will be materialized through this emerging generation leading to peace and tranquility in the world.

> > Tasmai Sri Guruve Nama> > > > Namaste and love to all> > > > Yours in Bhagavan> > Harsha> > > > On Behalf Of Peter> > Dear Harsha,> > Thank you for your good words. I have no quarrel with people's style. I only> wished to comment on the substance of what is said. I heartily agree with> the larger context in which you and Michael reframe his comments about the> lives and teachings of the Guru.> > > > Yes, the Guru is the teaching and the raft. No doubt an important part of> our journey is letting go the raft when the other shore is reached. As we> both know, the teachings and Guru's guidance are for the ajnani (the seeker> who has not yet removed ignorance) not for the jnani. So we would not wish> to cast the raft aside this side of 'the other shore', nor lead others to> think it is worthless and that by casting it aside they are treading the> path. (With this approach we enter the domain of neo-advaita, about which> Alan has written so well.) I'm not saying that you or Michael have> suggested this. I merely wish to affirm the value of the Guru and the> teaching. > > > > If no one had recorded Sri Ramana's conversation with Madhava - "I am not> real, Madhava" - you would not have been able to use it as a fine example of> the Guru's life and teaching which inspires us all in many different ways.> > > > With best wishes,> > > > Peter> > _____ > > > Dear Peter and everyone:> > We all have different ways of expression. There are many wild flowers in> this group but they have the fragrance and beauty of authenticity. The> essence of what Michael Bowes (NoName) is conveying is that in light of the> Self, everything becomes moot. Michael Bowes, Yosy, and so many others here> have a natural style of communication. They sees deeply into the nature of> things. > > Sri Ramana once said to his attendant (I believe it was Madhava), "I am not> real Madhava!". > > The Guru is the teaching. S/He becomes the raft, a bridge, the grace that> allows crossing to the other side. Once there, the bridge, the Guru, the> teaching, all sides, the river, the shores, everything disappears in the> Self. Only the Self remains. > > Namaste and love to all> > Yours in Bhagavan> Harsha> > .

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