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, " Era " <mi_nok wrote:

>

>

> " Treat the body like a visitor, or

> a guest, who has come and will go.

> You must know your position as a

> host very clearly while the guest is

> still here.What is the exact nature

> of the host after the guest leaves,

> must be realized while the guest is

> present. Have you understood?

>

> Give me some idea of that position in

> which you will find yourself when

> the body leaves.

>

> Questioner: There is no identity

>

> Ramana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction.

>

> Q: Yes, in meditation.

>

> M: What is the significance of

> the guest, the sign?

>

> Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a

> host.

>

> M: The sense of presence, the " I amness " is the sign of the guest.

> Are your answers out of deep conviction?

>

> Q: yes.

>

> M: Then there is no need to come back tomorrow.

>

> Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it.

>

> M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist?

>

> Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction.

>

> M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When

> one is very sleepy- just at the point of

> going into deep sleep- at that point one

> wants nothing else except to go to sleep

>

> Similarly at the point when the breath

> is leaving, there is also a moment of

> ecstasy. At that moment, when the life

> force and consciousness leave, there

> is the moment of ecstasy, that last

> moment of knowing. One who has truly

> apprehended this is a jnani for whom

> there is no question of birth or death.

>

> Q: Would you tell us more about that

> moment of death?

>

> M: Nothing more can be said about it.

> It's the culmination or

> termination of the self experience,

> " I am. " After the termination of

> " I am " there is no experience of

> knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness

> is the quality of the material stuff.

>

> What did you know prior to your birth? Similarly,

> after death this instrument is missing

> whithout the body there is no

> experiencing. Eternity has no birth

> and no death, but a temporary state

> has a beginning and an end.

>

> Even when the consciousness goes,

> you prevail- you always are- as the

> Absolute. As the consciousness you

> are everything; whatever is, is you

> All this knowledge has downed on me

> I'm not that knowledge.

>

> The knowledge " I am " and all its manifestations

> are understood. In understanding, I am not that. "

 

A truly awesome piece, Era... thanks much for posting it.

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Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like

Ramana.

 

Namaste and love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

 

On

Behalf Of Era

Monday, June 30, 2008 7:38 PM

 

you always are- as the Absolute

 

 

 

 

" Treat the body like a visitor, or

a guest, who has come and will go.

You must know your position as a

host very clearly while the guest is

still here.What is the exact nature

of the host after the guest leaves,

must be realized while the guest is

present. Have you understood?

 

Give me some idea of that position in

which you will find yourself when

the body leaves.

 

Questioner: There is no identity

 

Ramana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction.

 

Q: Yes, in meditation.

 

M: What is the significance of

the guest, the sign?

 

Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a

host.

 

M: The sense of presence, the " I amness " is the sign of the guest.

Are your answers out of deep conviction?

 

Q: yes.

 

M: Then there is no need to come back tomorrow.

 

Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it.

 

M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist?

 

Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction.

 

M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When

one is very sleepy- just at the point of

going into deep sleep- at that point one

wants nothing else except to go to sleep

 

Similarly at the point when the breath

is leaving, there is also a moment of

ecstasy. At that moment, when the life

force and consciousness leave, there

is the moment of ecstasy, that last

moment of knowing. One who has truly

apprehended this is a jnani for whom

there is no question of birth or death.

 

Q: Would you tell us more about that

moment of death?

 

M: Nothing more can be said about it.

It's the culmination or

termination of the self experience,

" I am. " After the termination of

" I am " there is no experience of

knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness

is the quality of the material stuff.

 

What did you know prior to your birth? Similarly,

after death this instrument is missing

whithout the body there is no

experiencing. Eternity has no birth

and no death, but a temporary state

has a beginning and an end.

 

Even when the consciousness goes,

you prevail- you always are- as the

Absolute. As the consciousness you

are everything; whatever is, is you

All this knowledge has downed on me

I'm not that knowledge.

 

The knowledge " I am " and all its manifestations

are understood. In understanding, I am not that. "

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, " Harsha " wrote:

>

> Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like Ramana.

>

>

>

> Namaste and love to all

>

> Harsha

 

Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually sounds a

lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a Jnani

though.

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Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we have had

people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to Ramana)

under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of

Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness.

 

Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a different energy.

It is a unique signature.

 

Namaste and love to all

 

Yours in Bhagavan

Harsha

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Tim G.

Monday, June 30, 2008 8:11 PM

 

Re: you always are- as the Absolute

 

, " Harsha " wrote:

>

> Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like Ramana.

>

>

>

> Namaste and love to all

>

> Harsha

 

Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually sounds a

lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a Jnani

though.

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, " Harsha " wrote:

>

> Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we

have had

> people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to

Ramana)

> under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of

> Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness.

 

 

 

Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here.

 

And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless.

 

I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either

 

I am sorry.

 

I'll delete the post.

 

 

 

 

> Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a different

> energy.

 

Yes

 

 

> It is a unique signature.

>

> Namaste and love to all

>

> Yours in Bhagavan

> Harsha

 

 

Era

 

 

>

>

> >

> > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like

> > Ramana.

> >

> >

> >

> > Namaste and love to all

> >

> > Harsha

>

> Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually sounds a

> lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a Jnani

> though.

>

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Dear Era,

 

You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-).

 

Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in the

source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all.

 

Namaste and love to all

 

Yours in Bhagavan

Harsha

 

 

On Behalf Of Era

Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM

 

Re: you always are- as the Absolute

 

, " Harsha " wrote:

>

> Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we

have had

> people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to

Ramana)

> under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of

> Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness.

 

 

 

Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here.

 

And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless.

 

I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either

 

I am sorry.

 

I'll delete the post.

 

 

 

 

> Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a different

> energy.

 

Yes

 

 

> It is a unique signature.

>

> Namaste and love to all

>

> Yours in Bhagavan

> Harsha

 

 

Era

 

 

>

>

> >

> > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like

> > Ramana.

> >

> >

> >

> > Namaste and love to all

> >

> > Harsha

>

> Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually sounds a

> lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a Jnani

> though.

>

 

 

 

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, " Harsha " wrote:

>

> Dear Era,

>

> You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-).

>

> Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in

the

> source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all.

>

 

 

 

:) precisely. ( " do not look at my face,

take what's in my hand... " as a sufi

saying goes.)

btw, this sounds like a well intending

and informed imitator, nome for instance...

 

 

reaspectfully,

yosy

 

 

> Namaste and love to all

>

> Yours in Bhagavan

> Harsha

>

 

 

 

_()_

yosy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

 

> On Behalf Of Era

> Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM

>

> Re: you always are- as the

Absolute

>

> , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote:

> >

> > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we

> have had

> > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to

> Ramana)

> > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of

> > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness.

>

>

>

> Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here.

>

> And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless.

>

> I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either

>

> I am sorry.

>

> I'll delete the post.

>

>

>

>

> > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a

different

> > energy.

>

> Yes

>

>

> > It is a unique signature.

> >

> > Namaste and love to all

> >

> > Yours in Bhagavan

> > Harsha

>

>

> Era

>

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like

> > > Ramana.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste and love to all

> > >

> > > Harsha

> >

> > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually

sounds a

> > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a

Jnani

> > though.

> >

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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Dear Era and Tim

 

tku so much for this posting

please let me know where from is this posting?

 

in Ramana

 

michael

 

 

 

-

Tim G.

Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:53 AM

Re: you always are- as the Absolute

 

 

, "Era" <mi_nok wrote:>> > "Treat the body like a visitor, or> a guest, who has come and will go.> You must know your position as a> host very clearly while the guest is> still here.What is the exact nature> of the host after the guest leaves,> must be realized while the guest is> present. Have you understood?> > Give me some idea of that position in> which you will find yourself when> the body leaves.> > Questioner: There is no identity> > Ramana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction.> > Q: Yes, in meditation.> > M: What is the significance of> the guest, the sign?> > Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a> host.> > M: The sense of presence, the "I amness" is the sign of the guest.> Are your answers out of deep conviction?> > Q: yes.> > M: Then there is no need to come back tomorrow.> > Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it.> > M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist?> > Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction.> > M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When> one is very sleepy- just at the point of> going into deep sleep- at that point one> wants nothing else except to go to sleep> > Similarly at the point when the breath> is leaving, there is also a moment of> ecstasy. At that moment, when the life> force and consciousness leave, there> is the moment of ecstasy, that last> moment of knowing. One who has truly> apprehended this is a jnani for whom> there is no question of birth or death.> > Q: Would you tell us more about that> moment of death?> > M: Nothing more can be said about it.> It's the culmination or> termination of the self experience,> "I am." After the termination of> "I am" there is no experience of> knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness> is the quality of the material stuff.> > What did you know prior to your birth? Similarly,> after death this instrument is missing> whithout the body there is no> experiencing. Eternity has no birth> and no death, but a temporary state> has a beginning and an end.> > Even when the consciousness goes,> you prevail- you always are- as the> Absolute. As the consciousness you> are everything; whatever is, is you> All this knowledge has downed on me> I'm not that knowledge.> > The knowledge "I am" and all its manifestations> are understood. In understanding, I am not that."A truly awesome piece, Era... thanks much for posting it.

 

 

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Hi Michael,

 

, " Michael Bindel "

<michael.bindel wrote:

>

> Dear Era and Tim

>

> tku so much for this posting

> please let me know where from is this posting?

>

> in Ramana

>

> michael

 

For whatever it's worth, I'm pretty familiar with Nisargadatta Maharaj

(having read " I Am That " perhaps over fifty times over the years, as

well as some of his other writings), and I can say pretty confidently:

If it *isn't* Sri Ramana, then it's Nisargadatta.

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Dear Yosey,

 

One comment:

 

I was with Nome for a number of years before I came to Tiruvannalai.

And Nome is not imitating anything, from everything that I saw, heard

and felt, Nome is genuine and authentic.

 

That he has no need to express outside of the 'framework' of Ramana

and Advaita Vedanta and Sanakra and the Upanisads says nothing about

authenticity. Maybe it does say something about ego, and he has no

need to assert any ego (and perhaps no ego to assert).

 

Om Arunachala,

Richard

 

, " yosyx " <yosyflug wrote:

>

> , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Era,

> >

> > You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-).

> >

> > Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in

> the

> > source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all.

> >

>

>

>

> :) precisely. ( " do not look at my face,

> take what's in my hand... " as a sufi

> saying goes.)

> btw, this sounds like a well intending

> and informed imitator, nome for instance...

>

>

> reaspectfully,

> yosy

>

>

> > Namaste and love to all

> >

> > Yours in Bhagavan

> > Harsha

> >

>

>

>

> _()_

> yosy

>

>

> >

>

> > On Behalf Of Era

> > Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM

> >

> > Re: you always are- as the

> Absolute

> >

> > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we

> > have had

> > > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to

> > Ramana)

> > > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of

> > > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here.

> >

> > And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless.

> >

> > I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either

> >

> > I am sorry.

> >

> > I'll delete the post.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a

> different

> > > energy.

> >

> > Yes

> >

> >

> > > It is a unique signature.

> > >

> > > Namaste and love to all

> > >

> > > Yours in Bhagavan

> > > Harsha

> >

> >

> > Era

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like

> > > > Ramana.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste and love to all

> > > >

> > > > Harsha

> > >

> > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually

> sounds a

> > > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a

> Jnani

> > > though.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >

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, " Richard Clarke " <richard

wrote:

>

> Dear Yosey,

>

> One comment:

>

> I was with Nome for a number of years before I came to Tiruvannalai.

> And Nome is not imitating anything, from everything that I saw,

heard

> and felt, Nome is genuine and authentic.

 

 

 

 

:) i am sure he is... but nevertheless, my

friend, any 'teacher' following the footsteps

laid so clearly by the inimitable sri ramana

and presenting his teachings, is an imitation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

nnb

>

> That he has no need to express outside of the 'framework' of Ramana

> and Advaita Vedanta and Sanakra and the Upanisads says nothing about

> authenticity. Maybe it does say something about ego, and he has no

> need to assert any ego (and perhaps no ego to assert).

>

> Om Arunachala,

> Richard

>

> , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote:

> >

> > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Era,

> > >

> > > You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict

here. :-).

> > >

> > > Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested

in

> > the

> > > source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > :) precisely. ( " do not look at my face,

> > take what's in my hand... " as a sufi

> > saying goes.)

> > btw, this sounds like a well intending

> > and informed imitator, nome for instance...

> >

> >

> > reaspectfully,

> > yosy

> >

> >

> > > Namaste and love to all

> > >

> > > Yours in Bhagavan

> > > Harsha

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > _()_

> > yosy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > > On Behalf Of Era

> > > Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM

> > >

> > > Re: you always are- as

the

> > Absolute

> > >

> > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before

also, we

> > > have had

> > > > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds

similar to

> > > Ramana)

> > > > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the

sage of

> > > > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it

here.

> > >

> > > And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless.

> > >

> > > I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M

either

> > >

> > > I am sorry.

> > >

> > > I'll delete the post.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a

> > different

> > > > energy.

> > >

> > > Yes

> > >

> > >

> > > > It is a unique signature.

> > > >

> > > > Namaste and love to all

> > > >

> > > > Yours in Bhagavan

> > > > Harsha

> > >

> > >

> > > Era

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound

like

> > > > > Ramana.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste and love to all

> > > > >

> > > > > Harsha

> > > >

> > > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually

> > sounds a

> > > > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a

> > Jnani

> > > > though.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---

> > >

> > >

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Dear Yosey.

 

I wonder what qualifies you to speak in such ways about someone you

have never been to see?

 

Om Arunachala,

Richard

 

, " yosyx " <yosyflug wrote:

>

> , " Richard Clarke " <richard@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Yosey,

> >

> > One comment:

> >

> > I was with Nome for a number of years before I came to Tiruvannalai.

> > And Nome is not imitating anything, from everything that I saw,

> heard

> > and felt, Nome is genuine and authentic.

>

>

>

>

> :) i am sure he is... but nevertheless, my

> friend, any 'teacher' following the footsteps

> laid so clearly by the inimitable sri ramana

> and presenting his teachings, is an imitation.

nnb

> >

> > That he has no need to express outside of the 'framework' of Ramana

> > and Advaita Vedanta and Sanakra and the Upanisads says nothing about

> > authenticity. Maybe it does say something about ego, and he has no

> > need to assert any ego (and perhaps no ego to assert).

> >

> > Om Arunachala,

> > Richard

> >

> > , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Era,

> > > >

> > > > You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict

> here. :-).

> > > >

> > > > Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested

> in

> > > the

> > > > source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > :) precisely. ( " do not look at my face,

> > > take what's in my hand... " as a sufi

> > > saying goes.)

> > > btw, this sounds like a well intending

> > > and informed imitator, nome for instance...

> > >

> > >

> > > reaspectfully,

> > > yosy

> > >

> > >

> > > > Namaste and love to all

> > > >

> > > > Yours in Bhagavan

> > > > Harsha

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _()_

> > > yosy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > On Behalf Of Era

> > > > Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: you always are- as

> the

> > > Absolute

> > > >

> > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before

> also, we

> > > > have had

> > > > > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds

> similar to

> > > > Ramana)

> > > > > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the

> sage of

> > > > > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it

> here.

> > > >

> > > > And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless.

> > > >

> > > > I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M

> either

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry.

> > > >

> > > > I'll delete the post.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a

> > > different

> > > > > energy.

> > > >

> > > > Yes

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > It is a unique signature.

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste and love to all

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours in Bhagavan

> > > > > Harsha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Era

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound

> like

> > > > > > Ramana.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste and love to all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Harsha

> > > > >

> > > > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually

> > > sounds a

> > > > > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a

> > > Jnani

> > > > > though.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Era,

 

You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-).

 

Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in the

source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all.

 

Namaste and love to all

 

Yours in Bhagavan

Harsha

Dear Harsha, I had that 'quote' ..(now that I think back in 2003 I was reading satramana Nome..it could be form there..) filed under "REINCARNATION", this is returning subject for me.. I like to communicate my understanding of it to my friends, but I can't . According to my understanding Sri Ramana was not teaching this Indian notion..and when he mentioned it he was accommodating mixed levels of listeners.. I would appreciate all input on this subject thank you, Era

, "Harsha" wrote:

>

> Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we> have had

> people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to> Ramana)

> under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of

> Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness.

 

 

 

Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here.

 

And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless.

 

I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either

 

I am sorry.

 

I'll delete the post.

 

 

> Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a different

> energy.

Yes

 

 

> It is a unique signature.

>

> Namaste and love to all

>

> Yours in Bhagavan

> Harsha

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Dear Era,

 

If you put the quote from your passage ""Treat the body like a visitor" into Google it will provide a number of references attributing it to Nisargadatta.

 

I agree with Harsha, this does not sound like Sri Ramana.

 

best wishes,

 

Peter

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Era01 July 2008 20:45 Subject: Re: you always are- as the Absolute

 

 

Dear Era,You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-).Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in thesource. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all.Namaste and love to allYours in BhagavanHarsha Dear Harsha, I had that 'quote' ..(now that I think back in 2003 I was reading satramana Nome..it could be form there..) filed under "REINCARNATION", this is returning subject for me.. I like to communicate my understanding of it to my friends, but I can't . According to my understanding Sri Ramana was not teaching this Indian notion..and when he mentioned it he was accommodating mixed levels of listeners.. I would appreciate all input on this subject thank you, Era

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, " Richard Clarke " <richard

wrote:

>

> Dear Yosey.

>

> I wonder what qualifies you to speak in such ways about someone you

> have never been to see?

>

> Om Arunachala,

> Richard

 

 

 

 

:) richard dear... alow me to quote one

of my beloved teachers, lao tse, who says

in the " tao te ching " :

 

" how do i know that this is so?

because it is! "

 

 

respectfully,

yosy

 

 

 

 

 

>

> , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote:

> >

> > , " Richard Clarke "

<richard@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Yosey,

> > >

> > > One comment:

> > >

> > > I was with Nome for a number of years before I came to

Tiruvannalai.

> > > And Nome is not imitating anything, from everything that I saw,

> > heard

> > > and felt, Nome is genuine and authentic.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > :) i am sure he is... but nevertheless, my

> > friend, any 'teacher' following the footsteps

> > laid so clearly by the inimitable sri ramana

> > and presenting his teachings, is an imitation.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > nnb

> > >

> > > That he has no need to express outside of the 'framework' of

Ramana

> > > and Advaita Vedanta and Sanakra and the Upanisads says nothing

about

> > > authenticity. Maybe it does say something about ego, and he has

no

> > > need to assert any ego (and perhaps no ego to assert).

> > >

> > > Om Arunachala,

> > > Richard

> > >

> > > , " yosyx " <yosyflug@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Era,

> > > > >

> > > > > You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict

> > here. :-).

> > > > >

> > > > > Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are

interested

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's

all.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > :) precisely. ( " do not look at my face,

> > > > take what's in my hand... " as a sufi

> > > > saying goes.)

> > > > btw, this sounds like a well intending

> > > > and informed imitator, nome for instance...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > reaspectfully,

> > > > yosy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Namaste and love to all

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours in Bhagavan

> > > > > Harsha

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _()_

> > > > yosy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > On Behalf Of Era

> > > > > Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: you always are-

as

> > the

> > > > Absolute

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before

> > also, we

> > > > > have had

> > > > > > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds

> > similar to

> > > > > Ramana)

> > > > > > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana,

the

> > sage of

> > > > > > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted

it

> > here.

> > > > >

> > > > > And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless.

> > > > >

> > > > > I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta

M

> > either

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'll delete the post.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry

a

> > > > different

> > > > > > energy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > It is a unique signature.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste and love to all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan

> > > > > > Harsha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Era

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not

sound

> > like

> > > > > > > Ramana.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste and love to all

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Harsha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it

actually

> > > > sounds a

> > > > > > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to

be a

> > > > Jnani

> > > > > > though.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ---

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> Dear Era,

>

> If you put the quote from your passage ""Treat the body like a

> visitor" into

> Google it will provide a number of references attributing it to

> Nisargadatta.

>

> I agree with Harsha, this does not sound like Sri Ramana.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Peter

>

 

ahh YES. Thank you PeteHere is one:The Non-Dualistic Teachings of Sri NisargadattaThe following is taken, with noparticular order or temporal organization, from published and private sources of answers given by Nisargadatta to questions posed to him by visitors, during his final years.)Compiled by Al Drucker, PrashantiNilayam, June ¡87 Page 31

"...Whatever is, is you. But, when you fully understand the knowledge 'I

am' and all its manifestations, then you will understand that, in

truth, you are not that.

 

You are the unlimited, which is not susceptible to the senses. By

limiting yourself to the body you have closed yourself to the unlimited

potential which you really are. Treat the body like a visitor or a

guest, which has come and which will go. You must know your position as

a host very clearly while it is still here, and while it is here you

must also know what your position will be after it leaves.

 

In spirituality there is no question of doing... only observing and

understanding. But, if you try to understand spirituality through

various concepts, like birth and rebirth, you will get caught up in

them in a vicious cycle. And once you are caught up in them you are

bound to have them. Out of concepts the forms are created.

 

Right now, think of that last moment when the body will go - at that

time with what identity are you going to quit? When you become aware of

your true nature, then at the end of your life you will not be prepared

to give even one paisa to extend your life. You will have lost all love

for this manifested world and you will not want even this consciousness

for five minutes more.

 

The vital breath leaves the body, the 'I amness' recedes and goes to

the Absolute. That is the greatest moment, the moment of immortality.

The 'I amness' was there, the movement was there, and now it is

extinguished. Being alive is never as an individual, but simply being

part of the spontaneous manifestation. Now that has subsided in death.

The ignorant one will struggle and get frightened at the moment of

death; most reluctantly he will give up the consciousness to a concept

he has come to call time. But the jnani gives up the beingness to his

own true nature; for him it is the happiest of moments.

 

Hear It Again and Again

 

You are not a kindergarten student of spirituality, so you must cease to think and speak as if you are a phenomenal object. You are the animating consciousness that provides sentience to the sentient being. But you are this consciousness only in manifestation. In truth you are that which is prior to consciousness

itself. You are the pure Awareness. You do not need to be liberated.

Liberation is a preposterous idea, for were you an object as you still

think you are, then as an object you could never be liberated.

OM TAT SAT"

 

> _____

>

>

> Dear Era,

>

> You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-).

>

> Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in the

> source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all.

>

> Namaste and love to all

>

> Yours in Bhagavan

> Harsha

>

> Dear Harsha, I had that 'quote' ..(now that I think back in 2003 I was

> reading satramana Nome..it could be form there..) filed under

> "REINCARNATION", this is returning subject for me.. I like to communicate

> my understanding of it to my friends, but I can't .

>

> According to my understanding Sri Ramana was not teaching this Indian

> notion..and when he mentioned it he was accommodating mixed levels of

> listeners..

>

> I would appreciate all input on this subject

>

> thank you, Era

>

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wrote:

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> Dear Yosey.

>

> I wonder what qualifies you to speak in such ways about someone you

> have never been to see?

>

> Om Arunachala,

> Richard

 

Hi Richard,

 

I'm not Yosey but would like to comment on the logic of your

question. I have never been to see China but could gather great

knowledge about that country, it's present and past history,

geography, human rights,testimonies from those who have been there,

etc. And be an expert on China without going there.

 

Also, many people, and this is particularly true of seversl guru

types, put on a false sweet face to those who visit them. They may

have pleasant words which mask a greedy and lustful heart. Seeing is

not believing, in this case.

 

BTW notice how I have deleted all unnecessary previous posts which

were attached to your post. It's easy to do and if everyone did it

the site would look cleaner and be easier to read.

 

Best wishes,

Another Richard

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Hello richard,

 

thanks for your comment.

 

the analogy is a good one, but it breaks down for spiritual teachers I

think. what matters is the seeker's internal experience when with the

teacher. One can read or hear of another's experience, but this is not

the seeker's own. From what I see what matters is being able to

listen with an open heart and absorb what the teacher has to offer.

 

This cannot be gotten from accounts from others.

 

When there the seeker certainly can listen and what what is true

within ones self. the seeker knows what is true and can discern the

truth when heard. One way to so this is to ask these questions: Is it

what the ancient teachers taught? Is that what teachers teach today?

It is reasonable? Is it my experience? If all are true, then it is

very likely what is heard is true.

 

Also I would say that if the teacher offers 'more' or 'better' etc.

then the teaching is not very deep. What is to be found through

spiritual practice is not anything objective, no matter whether gross

or subtle. Anything objective comes and goes. We look for what we

already are. This never comes or goes.

 

Om Arunachala,

Richard

 

, " Richard " <richarkar wrote:

>

> , " Richard Clarke " <richard@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Yosey.

> >

> > I wonder what qualifies you to speak in such ways about someone you

> > have never been to see?

> >

> > Om Arunachala,

> > Richard

>

> Hi Richard,

>

> I'm not Yosey but would like to comment on the logic of your

> question. I have never been to see China but could gather great

> knowledge about that country, it's present and past history,

> geography, human rights,testimonies from those who have been there,

> etc. And be an expert on China without going there.

>

> Also, many people, and this is particularly true of seversl guru

> types, put on a false sweet face to those who visit them. They may

> have pleasant words which mask a greedy and lustful heart. Seeing is

> not believing, in this case.

>

>

> Best wishes,

> Another Richard

>

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(Continuing the discussion on judging " teachers " )

 

Dear All,

 

We have to remember that even in Bhagavan times there were some people

that had a lot of judgemental thoughts towards him (even some of those

became famous afterwards). If we would have asked these people, they

would have said (allow me to guess): " I know because I saw him, the

guy is a fake! " Even in the event that someone will be in front of a

genuine jnani, that does not mean that she/he will recognize what is

going on anyway.

Jnanis never critizised other teachers, be Bhagavan, Nisargadatta, or

you name it. " Destructive " criticism (or finger pointing) with names,

EVEN IF ITS RIGHT, cannot come other than from the sense of egoic

separateness. Recently Alan (Jacobs) posted what I consider an

excellent teaching tool, speaking about Robert Adams, he said:

 

.... " Robert Adams, however, a real Jnani in my view, as I felt the

palpable presence of love and silence as well as truth in his

presence, said he never criticised other Teachers as they all had

their place, in a way they were stepping stones for beginners, who

might move on. I have heard it said that Nisagadatta once said " we

need bad gurus to keep the bad people away from good gurus " ...

 

Following this thought, I may endorse myself saying that I am speaking

by experience, since I was, for 22 years under the guidance of someone

that by many accounts (including my own at the time I left that

institution) was critizised for corruption, money/greedy problems, sex

abuse, power/ego trips, etc.. Looking back at that time in my life I

am extremely grateful to have gone through that experience, I can even

recognize why the whole thing was happening (and still is for many

people) and also forgive and forget someone that in fact, was only the

instrument in the hands of the Lord, as we all are.

 

Wishing you all the best,

Yours in Bhagavan,

 

Mouna

 

............................

The world is divided in two,

the people who think they are right.

Popular saying

............................

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Dear Mouna

 

THANK YOU

 

 

michael

 

 

 

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upadesa

Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:54 PM

Re: you always are- as the Absolute

 

 

(Continuing the discussion on judging "teachers")Dear All,We have to remember that even in Bhagavan times there were some peoplethat had a lot of judgemental thoughts towards him (even some of thosebecame famous afterwards). If we would have asked these people, theywould have said (allow me to guess): "I know because I saw him, theguy is a fake!" Even in the event that someone will be in front of agenuine jnani, that does not mean that she/he will recognize what isgoing on anyway.Jnanis never critizised other teachers, be Bhagavan, Nisargadatta, oryou name it. "Destructive" criticism (or finger pointing) with names,EVEN IF ITS RIGHT, cannot come other than from the sense of egoicseparateness. Recently Alan (Jacobs) posted what I consider anexcellent teaching tool, speaking about Robert Adams, he said:..."Robert Adams, however, a real Jnani in my view, as I felt thepalpable presence of love and silence as well as truth in hispresence, said he never criticised other Teachers as they all hadtheir place, in a way they were stepping stones for beginners, whomight move on. I have heard it said that Nisagadatta once said "weneed bad gurus to keep the bad people away from good gurus"...Following this thought, I may endorse myself saying that I am speakingby experience, since I was, for 22 years under the guidance of someonethat by many accounts (including my own at the time I left thatinstitution) was critizised for corruption, money/greedy problems, sexabuse, power/ego trips, etc.. Looking back at that time in my life Iam extremely grateful to have gone through that experience, I can evenrecognize why the whole thing was happening (and still is for manypeople) and also forgive and forget someone that in fact, was only theinstrument in the hands of the Lord, as we all are.Wishing you all the best,Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna...........................The world is divided in two, the people who think they are right.Popular saying...........................

 

 

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Those who stand by while evil is committed are also guilty. They are

guilty of allowing the continuance of evil.

 

All the discriminative qualities mentioned, including instinctively

knowing a guru's intentions, if these were accurate no one would ever

be taken advantage of. Yet it happens all the time with gurus and con

men. Appearing trustworthy is their stock in trade.

 

The Lord working through the evil doer? The power of the Lord is in

everyone but some use it in a twisted, impure manner. Or were Pol Pot,

Hitler, Idi Amin, and Sadam Hussein doing the Lord's work as they

killed millions of men, women, and children merely for ethnic reasons?

 

The Lord is also working through those who denounce evil and bring it

to light, in order to prevent others from the harm of being sexually or

financially taken advantage of by those whom they put their faith and

trust in. Many preditor gurus have devestated lives.

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Hi Richard,

 

, " Richard " <richarkar

wrote:

>

> Those who stand by while evil is committed are also guilty. They

> are

> guilty of allowing the continuance of evil.

 

From here, the biggest evil is ignorance of the Self. This evil is

the root cause of all the others.

 

> All the discriminative qualities mentioned, including instinctively

> knowing a guru's intentions, if these were accurate no one would

ever

> be taken advantage of. Yet it happens all the time with gurus and

con

> men. Appearing trustworthy is their stock in trade.

>

> The Lord working through the evil doer? The power of the Lord is in

> everyone but some use it in a twisted, impure manner. Or were Pol

Pot,

> Hitler, Idi Amin, and Sadam Hussein doing the Lord's work as they

> killed millions of men, women, and children merely for ethnic

reasons?

>

> The Lord is also working through those who denounce evil and bring

it

> to light, in order to prevent others from the harm of being

sexually or

> financially taken advantage of by those whom they put their faith

and

> trust in. Many preditor gurus have devestated lives.

 

Yes, the lord may be working through those who denounce evil and

bring it to light, but in my view the only way man can save himself

ultimately is through knowledge of the Self. Thus, any other sort of

work is always and only patch-work. The only real cure is to know

the Self, and pass that knowledge down to other men and women, as Sri

Ramana Maharshi did.

 

Best Regards,

 

Tim

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