Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > " Treat the body like a visitor, or > a guest, who has come and will go. > You must know your position as a > host very clearly while the guest is > still here.What is the exact nature > of the host after the guest leaves, > must be realized while the guest is > present. Have you understood? > > Give me some idea of that position in > which you will find yourself when > the body leaves. > > Questioner: There is no identity > > Ramana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction. > > Q: Yes, in meditation. > > M: What is the significance of > the guest, the sign? > > Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a > host. > > M: The sense of presence, the " I amness " is the sign of the guest. > Are your answers out of deep conviction? > > Q: yes. > > M: Then there is no need to come back tomorrow. > > Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it. > > M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist? > > Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction. > > M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When > one is very sleepy- just at the point of > going into deep sleep- at that point one > wants nothing else except to go to sleep > > Similarly at the point when the breath > is leaving, there is also a moment of > ecstasy. At that moment, when the life > force and consciousness leave, there > is the moment of ecstasy, that last > moment of knowing. One who has truly > apprehended this is a jnani for whom > there is no question of birth or death. > > Q: Would you tell us more about that > moment of death? > > M: Nothing more can be said about it. > It's the culmination or > termination of the self experience, > " I am. " After the termination of > " I am " there is no experience of > knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness > is the quality of the material stuff. > > What did you know prior to your birth? Similarly, > after death this instrument is missing > whithout the body there is no > experiencing. Eternity has no birth > and no death, but a temporary state > has a beginning and an end. > > Even when the consciousness goes, > you prevail- you always are- as the > Absolute. As the consciousness you > are everything; whatever is, is you > All this knowledge has downed on me > I'm not that knowledge. > > The knowledge " I am " and all its manifestations > are understood. In understanding, I am not that. " A truly awesome piece, Era... thanks much for posting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like Ramana. Namaste and love to all Harsha On Behalf Of Era Monday, June 30, 2008 7:38 PM you always are- as the Absolute " Treat the body like a visitor, or a guest, who has come and will go. You must know your position as a host very clearly while the guest is still here.What is the exact nature of the host after the guest leaves, must be realized while the guest is present. Have you understood? Give me some idea of that position in which you will find yourself when the body leaves. Questioner: There is no identity Ramana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction. Q: Yes, in meditation. M: What is the significance of the guest, the sign? Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a host. M: The sense of presence, the " I amness " is the sign of the guest. Are your answers out of deep conviction? Q: yes. M: Then there is no need to come back tomorrow. Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it. M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist? Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction. M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When one is very sleepy- just at the point of going into deep sleep- at that point one wants nothing else except to go to sleep Similarly at the point when the breath is leaving, there is also a moment of ecstasy. At that moment, when the life force and consciousness leave, there is the moment of ecstasy, that last moment of knowing. One who has truly apprehended this is a jnani for whom there is no question of birth or death. Q: Would you tell us more about that moment of death? M: Nothing more can be said about it. It's the culmination or termination of the self experience, " I am. " After the termination of " I am " there is no experience of knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness is the quality of the material stuff. What did you know prior to your birth? Similarly, after death this instrument is missing whithout the body there is no experiencing. Eternity has no birth and no death, but a temporary state has a beginning and an end. Even when the consciousness goes, you prevail- you always are- as the Absolute. As the consciousness you are everything; whatever is, is you All this knowledge has downed on me I'm not that knowledge. The knowledge " I am " and all its manifestations are understood. In understanding, I am not that. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 , " Harsha " wrote: > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like Ramana. > > > > Namaste and love to all > > Harsha Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually sounds a lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a Jnani though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we have had people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to Ramana) under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness. Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a different energy. It is a unique signature. Namaste and love to all Yours in Bhagavan Harsha On Behalf Of Tim G. Monday, June 30, 2008 8:11 PM Re: you always are- as the Absolute , " Harsha " wrote: > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like Ramana. > > > > Namaste and love to all > > Harsha Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually sounds a lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a Jnani though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 , " Harsha " wrote: > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we have had > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to Ramana) > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness. Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here. And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless. I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either I am sorry. I'll delete the post. > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a different > energy. Yes > It is a unique signature. > > Namaste and love to all > > Yours in Bhagavan > Harsha Era > > > > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like > > Ramana. > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > Harsha > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually sounds a > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a Jnani > though. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Dear Era, You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-). Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in the source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all. Namaste and love to all Yours in Bhagavan Harsha On Behalf Of Era Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM Re: you always are- as the Absolute , " Harsha " wrote: > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we have had > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to Ramana) > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness. Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here. And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless. I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either I am sorry. I'll delete the post. > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a different > energy. Yes > It is a unique signature. > > Namaste and love to all > > Yours in Bhagavan > Harsha Era > > > > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like > > Ramana. > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > Harsha > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually sounds a > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a Jnani > though. > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear Era, > > You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-). > > Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in the > source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all. > precisely. ( " do not look at my face, take what's in my hand... " as a sufi saying goes.) btw, this sounds like a well intending and informed imitator, nome for instance... reaspectfully, yosy > Namaste and love to all > > Yours in Bhagavan > Harsha > _()_ yosy > > > On Behalf Of Era > Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM > > Re: you always are- as the Absolute > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we > have had > > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to > Ramana) > > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of > > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness. > > > > Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here. > > And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless. > > I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either > > I am sorry. > > I'll delete the post. > > > > > > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a different > > energy. > > Yes > > > > It is a unique signature. > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > Yours in Bhagavan > > Harsha > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like > > > Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > Harsha > > > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually sounds a > > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a Jnani > > though. > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Dear Era and Tim tku so much for this posting please let me know where from is this posting? in Ramana michael - Tim G. Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:53 AM Re: you always are- as the Absolute , "Era" <mi_nok wrote:>> > "Treat the body like a visitor, or> a guest, who has come and will go.> You must know your position as a> host very clearly while the guest is> still here.What is the exact nature> of the host after the guest leaves,> must be realized while the guest is> present. Have you understood?> > Give me some idea of that position in> which you will find yourself when> the body leaves.> > Questioner: There is no identity> > Ramana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction.> > Q: Yes, in meditation.> > M: What is the significance of> the guest, the sign?> > Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a> host.> > M: The sense of presence, the "I amness" is the sign of the guest.> Are your answers out of deep conviction?> > Q: yes.> > M: Then there is no need to come back tomorrow.> > Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it.> > M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist?> > Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction.> > M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When> one is very sleepy- just at the point of> going into deep sleep- at that point one> wants nothing else except to go to sleep> > Similarly at the point when the breath> is leaving, there is also a moment of> ecstasy. At that moment, when the life> force and consciousness leave, there> is the moment of ecstasy, that last> moment of knowing. One who has truly> apprehended this is a jnani for whom> there is no question of birth or death.> > Q: Would you tell us more about that> moment of death?> > M: Nothing more can be said about it.> It's the culmination or> termination of the self experience,> "I am." After the termination of> "I am" there is no experience of> knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness> is the quality of the material stuff.> > What did you know prior to your birth? Similarly,> after death this instrument is missing> whithout the body there is no> experiencing. Eternity has no birth> and no death, but a temporary state> has a beginning and an end.> > Even when the consciousness goes,> you prevail- you always are- as the> Absolute. As the consciousness you> are everything; whatever is, is you> All this knowledge has downed on me> I'm not that knowledge.> > The knowledge "I am" and all its manifestations> are understood. In understanding, I am not that."A truly awesome piece, Era... thanks much for posting it. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1526 - Release 30/06/2008 8.43 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Hi Michael, , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Era and Tim > > tku so much for this posting > please let me know where from is this posting? > > in Ramana > > michael For whatever it's worth, I'm pretty familiar with Nisargadatta Maharaj (having read " I Am That " perhaps over fifty times over the years, as well as some of his other writings), and I can say pretty confidently: If it *isn't* Sri Ramana, then it's Nisargadatta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Dear Yosey, One comment: I was with Nome for a number of years before I came to Tiruvannalai. And Nome is not imitating anything, from everything that I saw, heard and felt, Nome is genuine and authentic. That he has no need to express outside of the 'framework' of Ramana and Advaita Vedanta and Sanakra and the Upanisads says nothing about authenticity. Maybe it does say something about ego, and he has no need to assert any ego (and perhaps no ego to assert). Om Arunachala, Richard , " yosyx " <yosyflug wrote: > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > Dear Era, > > > > You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-). > > > > Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in > the > > source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all. > > > > > > precisely. ( " do not look at my face, > take what's in my hand... " as a sufi > saying goes.) > btw, this sounds like a well intending > and informed imitator, nome for instance... > > > reaspectfully, > yosy > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > Yours in Bhagavan > > Harsha > > > > > > _()_ > yosy > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Era > > Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM > > > > Re: you always are- as the > Absolute > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we > > have had > > > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to > > Ramana) > > > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of > > > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness. > > > > > > > > Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here. > > > > And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless. > > > > I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either > > > > I am sorry. > > > > I'll delete the post. > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a > different > > > energy. > > > > Yes > > > > > > > It is a unique signature. > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan > > > Harsha > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like > > > > Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually > sounds a > > > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a > Jnani > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > Dear Yosey, > > One comment: > > I was with Nome for a number of years before I came to Tiruvannalai. > And Nome is not imitating anything, from everything that I saw, heard > and felt, Nome is genuine and authentic. i am sure he is... but nevertheless, my friend, any 'teacher' following the footsteps laid so clearly by the inimitable sri ramana and presenting his teachings, is an imitation. nnb > > That he has no need to express outside of the 'framework' of Ramana > and Advaita Vedanta and Sanakra and the Upanisads says nothing about > authenticity. Maybe it does say something about ego, and he has no > need to assert any ego (and perhaps no ego to assert). > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > > , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote: > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Era, > > > > > > You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-). > > > > > > Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in > > the > > > source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all. > > > > > > > > > > > precisely. ( " do not look at my face, > > take what's in my hand... " as a sufi > > saying goes.) > > btw, this sounds like a well intending > > and informed imitator, nome for instance... > > > > > > reaspectfully, > > yosy > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > _()_ > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Era > > > Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM > > > > > > Re: you always are- as the > > Absolute > > > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we > > > have had > > > > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to > > > Ramana) > > > > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of > > > > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here. > > > > > > And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless. > > > > > > I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either > > > > > > I am sorry. > > > > > > I'll delete the post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a > > different > > > > energy. > > > > > > Yes > > > > > > > > > > It is a unique signature. > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound like > > > > > Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually > > sounds a > > > > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a > > Jnani > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Dear Yosey. I wonder what qualifies you to speak in such ways about someone you have never been to see? Om Arunachala, Richard , " yosyx " <yosyflug wrote: > > , " Richard Clarke " <richard@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Yosey, > > > > One comment: > > > > I was with Nome for a number of years before I came to Tiruvannalai. > > And Nome is not imitating anything, from everything that I saw, > heard > > and felt, Nome is genuine and authentic. > > > > > i am sure he is... but nevertheless, my > friend, any 'teacher' following the footsteps > laid so clearly by the inimitable sri ramana > and presenting his teachings, is an imitation. nnb > > > > That he has no need to express outside of the 'framework' of Ramana > > and Advaita Vedanta and Sanakra and the Upanisads says nothing about > > authenticity. Maybe it does say something about ego, and he has no > > need to assert any ego (and perhaps no ego to assert). > > > > Om Arunachala, > > Richard > > > > , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote: > > > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Era, > > > > > > > > You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict > here. :-). > > > > > > > > Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested > in > > > the > > > > source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precisely. ( " do not look at my face, > > > take what's in my hand... " as a sufi > > > saying goes.) > > > btw, this sounds like a well intending > > > and informed imitator, nome for instance... > > > > > > > > > reaspectfully, > > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _()_ > > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Era > > > > Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM > > > > > > > > Re: you always are- as > the > > > Absolute > > > > > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before > also, we > > > > have had > > > > > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds > similar to > > > > Ramana) > > > > > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the > sage of > > > > > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it > here. > > > > > > > > And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless. > > > > > > > > I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M > either > > > > > > > > I am sorry. > > > > > > > > I'll delete the post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a > > > different > > > > > energy. > > > > > > > > Yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a unique signature. > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound > like > > > > > > Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually > > > sounds a > > > > > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a > > > Jnani > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Dear Era, You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-). Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in the source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all. Namaste and love to all Yours in Bhagavan Harsha Dear Harsha, I had that 'quote' ..(now that I think back in 2003 I was reading satramana Nome..it could be form there..) filed under "REINCARNATION", this is returning subject for me.. I like to communicate my understanding of it to my friends, but I can't . According to my understanding Sri Ramana was not teaching this Indian notion..and when he mentioned it he was accommodating mixed levels of listeners.. I would appreciate all input on this subject thank you, Era , "Harsha" wrote: > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before also, we> have had > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds similar to> Ramana) > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the sage of > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness. Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it here. And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless. I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M either I am sorry. I'll delete the post. > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a different > energy. Yes > It is a unique signature. > > Namaste and love to all > > Yours in Bhagavan > Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Dear Era, If you put the quote from your passage ""Treat the body like a visitor" into Google it will provide a number of references attributing it to Nisargadatta. I agree with Harsha, this does not sound like Sri Ramana. best wishes, Peter On Behalf Of Era01 July 2008 20:45 Subject: Re: you always are- as the Absolute Dear Era,You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-).Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in thesource. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all.Namaste and love to allYours in BhagavanHarsha Dear Harsha, I had that 'quote' ..(now that I think back in 2003 I was reading satramana Nome..it could be form there..) filed under "REINCARNATION", this is returning subject for me.. I like to communicate my understanding of it to my friends, but I can't . According to my understanding Sri Ramana was not teaching this Indian notion..and when he mentioned it he was accommodating mixed levels of listeners.. I would appreciate all input on this subject thank you, Era .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > Dear Yosey. > > I wonder what qualifies you to speak in such ways about someone you > have never been to see? > > Om Arunachala, > Richard richard dear... alow me to quote one of my beloved teachers, lao tse, who says in the " tao te ching " : " how do i know that this is so? because it is! " respectfully, yosy > > , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote: > > > > , " Richard Clarke " <richard@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Yosey, > > > > > > One comment: > > > > > > I was with Nome for a number of years before I came to Tiruvannalai. > > > And Nome is not imitating anything, from everything that I saw, > > heard > > > and felt, Nome is genuine and authentic. > > > > > > > > > > i am sure he is... but nevertheless, my > > friend, any 'teacher' following the footsteps > > laid so clearly by the inimitable sri ramana > > and presenting his teachings, is an imitation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nnb > > > > > > That he has no need to express outside of the 'framework' of Ramana > > > and Advaita Vedanta and Sanakra and the Upanisads says nothing about > > > authenticity. Maybe it does say something about ego, and he has no > > > need to assert any ego (and perhaps no ego to assert). > > > > > > Om Arunachala, > > > Richard > > > > > > , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote: > > > > > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Era, > > > > > > > > > > You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict > > here. :-). > > > > > > > > > > Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested > > in > > > > the > > > > > source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precisely. ( " do not look at my face, > > > > take what's in my hand... " as a sufi > > > > saying goes.) > > > > btw, this sounds like a well intending > > > > and informed imitator, nome for instance... > > > > > > > > > > > > reaspectfully, > > > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _()_ > > > > yosy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Era > > > > > Monday, June 30, 2008 9:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: you always are- as > > the > > > > Absolute > > > > > > > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana has a completely different voice. Sometimes before > > also, we > > > > > have had > > > > > > people post Nisargadatta (or someone whose name sounds > > similar to > > > > > Ramana) > > > > > > under the impression that they are quoting Sri Ramana, the > > sage of > > > > > > Arunachala. I don't know why. Possibly carelessness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. I agree. I saved this at Jan/30 2003 the way I posted it > > here. > > > > > > > > > > And DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE, it is careless. > > > > > > > > > > I googled it now and it doesn't come up for Nisargadatta M > > either > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry. > > > > > > > > > > I'll delete the post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana's words and the manner of communicating carry a > > > > different > > > > > > energy. > > > > > > > > > > Yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a unique signature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era, can you give a source for this? This does not sound > > like > > > > > > > Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny you noticed that, Harsha... I was thinking it actually > > > > sounds a > > > > > > lot more like Nisargadatta! Whoever it is, I believe to be a > > > > Jnani > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 > > Dear Era, > > If you put the quote from your passage ""Treat the body like a > visitor" into > Google it will provide a number of references attributing it to > Nisargadatta. > > I agree with Harsha, this does not sound like Sri Ramana. > > best wishes, > > Peter > ahh YES. Thank you PeteHere is one:The Non-Dualistic Teachings of Sri NisargadattaThe following is taken, with noparticular order or temporal organization, from published and private sources of answers given by Nisargadatta to questions posed to him by visitors, during his final years.)Compiled by Al Drucker, PrashantiNilayam, June ¡87 Page 31 "...Whatever is, is you. But, when you fully understand the knowledge 'I am' and all its manifestations, then you will understand that, in truth, you are not that. You are the unlimited, which is not susceptible to the senses. By limiting yourself to the body you have closed yourself to the unlimited potential which you really are. Treat the body like a visitor or a guest, which has come and which will go. You must know your position as a host very clearly while it is still here, and while it is here you must also know what your position will be after it leaves. In spirituality there is no question of doing... only observing and understanding. But, if you try to understand spirituality through various concepts, like birth and rebirth, you will get caught up in them in a vicious cycle. And once you are caught up in them you are bound to have them. Out of concepts the forms are created. Right now, think of that last moment when the body will go - at that time with what identity are you going to quit? When you become aware of your true nature, then at the end of your life you will not be prepared to give even one paisa to extend your life. You will have lost all love for this manifested world and you will not want even this consciousness for five minutes more. The vital breath leaves the body, the 'I amness' recedes and goes to the Absolute. That is the greatest moment, the moment of immortality. The 'I amness' was there, the movement was there, and now it is extinguished. Being alive is never as an individual, but simply being part of the spontaneous manifestation. Now that has subsided in death. The ignorant one will struggle and get frightened at the moment of death; most reluctantly he will give up the consciousness to a concept he has come to call time. But the jnani gives up the beingness to his own true nature; for him it is the happiest of moments. Hear It Again and Again You are not a kindergarten student of spirituality, so you must cease to think and speak as if you are a phenomenal object. You are the animating consciousness that provides sentience to the sentient being. But you are this consciousness only in manifestation. In truth you are that which is prior to consciousness itself. You are the pure Awareness. You do not need to be liberated. Liberation is a preposterous idea, for were you an object as you still think you are, then as an object you could never be liberated. OM TAT SAT" > _____ > > > Dear Era, > > You don't have to delete the post. We are not that strict here. :-). > > Since this is a Ramana group, naturally members are interested in the > source. Sri Ramana has a different way of speaking, that's all. > > Namaste and love to all > > Yours in Bhagavan > Harsha > > Dear Harsha, I had that 'quote' ..(now that I think back in 2003 I was > reading satramana Nome..it could be form there..) filed under > "REINCARNATION", this is returning subject for me.. I like to communicate > my understanding of it to my friends, but I can't . > > According to my understanding Sri Ramana was not teaching this Indian > notion..and when he mentioned it he was accommodating mixed levels of > listeners.. > > I would appreciate all input on this subject > > thank you, Era > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > Dear Yosey. > > I wonder what qualifies you to speak in such ways about someone you > have never been to see? > > Om Arunachala, > Richard Hi Richard, I'm not Yosey but would like to comment on the logic of your question. I have never been to see China but could gather great knowledge about that country, it's present and past history, geography, human rights,testimonies from those who have been there, etc. And be an expert on China without going there. Also, many people, and this is particularly true of seversl guru types, put on a false sweet face to those who visit them. They may have pleasant words which mask a greedy and lustful heart. Seeing is not believing, in this case. BTW notice how I have deleted all unnecessary previous posts which were attached to your post. It's easy to do and if everyone did it the site would look cleaner and be easier to read. Best wishes, Another Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Hello richard, thanks for your comment. the analogy is a good one, but it breaks down for spiritual teachers I think. what matters is the seeker's internal experience when with the teacher. One can read or hear of another's experience, but this is not the seeker's own. From what I see what matters is being able to listen with an open heart and absorb what the teacher has to offer. This cannot be gotten from accounts from others. When there the seeker certainly can listen and what what is true within ones self. the seeker knows what is true and can discern the truth when heard. One way to so this is to ask these questions: Is it what the ancient teachers taught? Is that what teachers teach today? It is reasonable? Is it my experience? If all are true, then it is very likely what is heard is true. Also I would say that if the teacher offers 'more' or 'better' etc. then the teaching is not very deep. What is to be found through spiritual practice is not anything objective, no matter whether gross or subtle. Anything objective comes and goes. We look for what we already are. This never comes or goes. Om Arunachala, Richard , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > , " Richard Clarke " <richard@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Yosey. > > > > I wonder what qualifies you to speak in such ways about someone you > > have never been to see? > > > > Om Arunachala, > > Richard > > Hi Richard, > > I'm not Yosey but would like to comment on the logic of your > question. I have never been to see China but could gather great > knowledge about that country, it's present and past history, > geography, human rights,testimonies from those who have been there, > etc. And be an expert on China without going there. > > Also, many people, and this is particularly true of seversl guru > types, put on a false sweet face to those who visit them. They may > have pleasant words which mask a greedy and lustful heart. Seeing is > not believing, in this case. > > > Best wishes, > Another Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 (Continuing the discussion on judging " teachers " ) Dear All, We have to remember that even in Bhagavan times there were some people that had a lot of judgemental thoughts towards him (even some of those became famous afterwards). If we would have asked these people, they would have said (allow me to guess): " I know because I saw him, the guy is a fake! " Even in the event that someone will be in front of a genuine jnani, that does not mean that she/he will recognize what is going on anyway. Jnanis never critizised other teachers, be Bhagavan, Nisargadatta, or you name it. " Destructive " criticism (or finger pointing) with names, EVEN IF ITS RIGHT, cannot come other than from the sense of egoic separateness. Recently Alan (Jacobs) posted what I consider an excellent teaching tool, speaking about Robert Adams, he said: .... " Robert Adams, however, a real Jnani in my view, as I felt the palpable presence of love and silence as well as truth in his presence, said he never criticised other Teachers as they all had their place, in a way they were stepping stones for beginners, who might move on. I have heard it said that Nisagadatta once said " we need bad gurus to keep the bad people away from good gurus " ... Following this thought, I may endorse myself saying that I am speaking by experience, since I was, for 22 years under the guidance of someone that by many accounts (including my own at the time I left that institution) was critizised for corruption, money/greedy problems, sex abuse, power/ego trips, etc.. Looking back at that time in my life I am extremely grateful to have gone through that experience, I can even recognize why the whole thing was happening (and still is for many people) and also forgive and forget someone that in fact, was only the instrument in the hands of the Lord, as we all are. Wishing you all the best, Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna ............................ The world is divided in two, the people who think they are right. Popular saying ............................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Dear Mouna THANK YOU michael - upadesa Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:54 PM Re: you always are- as the Absolute (Continuing the discussion on judging "teachers")Dear All,We have to remember that even in Bhagavan times there were some peoplethat had a lot of judgemental thoughts towards him (even some of thosebecame famous afterwards). If we would have asked these people, theywould have said (allow me to guess): "I know because I saw him, theguy is a fake!" Even in the event that someone will be in front of agenuine jnani, that does not mean that she/he will recognize what isgoing on anyway.Jnanis never critizised other teachers, be Bhagavan, Nisargadatta, oryou name it. "Destructive" criticism (or finger pointing) with names,EVEN IF ITS RIGHT, cannot come other than from the sense of egoicseparateness. Recently Alan (Jacobs) posted what I consider anexcellent teaching tool, speaking about Robert Adams, he said:..."Robert Adams, however, a real Jnani in my view, as I felt thepalpable presence of love and silence as well as truth in hispresence, said he never criticised other Teachers as they all hadtheir place, in a way they were stepping stones for beginners, whomight move on. I have heard it said that Nisagadatta once said "weneed bad gurus to keep the bad people away from good gurus"...Following this thought, I may endorse myself saying that I am speakingby experience, since I was, for 22 years under the guidance of someonethat by many accounts (including my own at the time I left thatinstitution) was critizised for corruption, money/greedy problems, sexabuse, power/ego trips, etc.. Looking back at that time in my life Iam extremely grateful to have gone through that experience, I can evenrecognize why the whole thing was happening (and still is for manypeople) and also forgive and forget someone that in fact, was only theinstrument in the hands of the Lord, as we all are.Wishing you all the best,Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna...........................The world is divided in two, the people who think they are right.Popular saying........................... Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.4/1532 - Release 03/07/2008 8.32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Those who stand by while evil is committed are also guilty. They are guilty of allowing the continuance of evil. All the discriminative qualities mentioned, including instinctively knowing a guru's intentions, if these were accurate no one would ever be taken advantage of. Yet it happens all the time with gurus and con men. Appearing trustworthy is their stock in trade. The Lord working through the evil doer? The power of the Lord is in everyone but some use it in a twisted, impure manner. Or were Pol Pot, Hitler, Idi Amin, and Sadam Hussein doing the Lord's work as they killed millions of men, women, and children merely for ethnic reasons? The Lord is also working through those who denounce evil and bring it to light, in order to prevent others from the harm of being sexually or financially taken advantage of by those whom they put their faith and trust in. Many preditor gurus have devestated lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Hi Richard, , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > Those who stand by while evil is committed are also guilty. They > are > guilty of allowing the continuance of evil. From here, the biggest evil is ignorance of the Self. This evil is the root cause of all the others. > All the discriminative qualities mentioned, including instinctively > knowing a guru's intentions, if these were accurate no one would ever > be taken advantage of. Yet it happens all the time with gurus and con > men. Appearing trustworthy is their stock in trade. > > The Lord working through the evil doer? The power of the Lord is in > everyone but some use it in a twisted, impure manner. Or were Pol Pot, > Hitler, Idi Amin, and Sadam Hussein doing the Lord's work as they > killed millions of men, women, and children merely for ethnic reasons? > > The Lord is also working through those who denounce evil and bring it > to light, in order to prevent others from the harm of being sexually or > financially taken advantage of by those whom they put their faith and > trust in. Many preditor gurus have devestated lives. Yes, the lord may be working through those who denounce evil and bring it to light, but in my view the only way man can save himself ultimately is through knowledge of the Self. Thus, any other sort of work is always and only patch-work. The only real cure is to know the Self, and pass that knowledge down to other men and women, as Sri Ramana Maharshi did. Best Regards, Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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