Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 SURRENDER* Without any conditions, Irreversibly, Absolutely, Offer our poor petty mind, And arrogant ego, To that Great Power that knows the way Our own Divine Source! And happily merge in Her bliss. To attain flourishing immortal life In which Death is no more, The non-dual Truth, The state of Great Silence, There is no other means Than making the ultimate sacrifice Of total, complete, self surrender! Thus, to be absorbed Through surrender of the self to the Self, Is to attain the Supreme Truth. Whatever happens let it happen, Whatever does not happen, Let it not happen, A sadakh with this attitude Will be well established in the Self. *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 many thanks to this wonderful gift of yours in Ramana michael this is real a torchlight through the darkness.... - alan jacobs Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:02 PM POEM SURRENDER*Without any conditions,Irreversibly,Absolutely,Offer our poor petty mind,And arrogant ego,To that Great Power that knows the wayOur own Divine Source!And happily merge in Her bliss.To attain flourishing immortal lifeIn which Death is no more,The non-dual Truth,The state of Great Silence,There is no other meansThan making the ultimate sacrificeOf total, complete, self surrender!Thus, to be absorbedThrough surrender of the self to the Self,Is to attain the Supreme Truth.Whatever happens let it happen,Whatever does not happen,Let it not happen,A sadakh with this attitudeWill be well established in the Self.*A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar'sPadamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1535 - Release 04/07/2008 17.03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Thanks Alan for sharing this beautiful poem. Simple but powerful. I was thinking about Surrender and this poem was like an answer! Thanks Palani--- On Sat, 7/5/08, alan jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: alan jacobs <alanadamsjacobs POEM Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 3:32 PM SURRENDER*Without any conditions,Irreversibly,Absolutely,Offer our poor petty mind,And arrogant ego,To that Great Power that knows the wayOur own Divine Source!And happily merge in Her bliss.To attain flourishing immortal lifeIn which Death is no more,The non-dual Truth,The state of Great Silence,There is no other meansThan making the ultimate sacrificeOf total, complete, self surrender!Thus, to be absorbedThrough surrender of the self to the Self,Is to attain the Supreme Truth.Whatever happens let it happen,Whatever does not happen,Let it not happen,A sadakh with this attitudeWill be well established in the Self.*A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar'sPadamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 , " alan jacobs " <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > SURRENDER* > ...Than making the ultimate sacrifice > Of total, complete, self surrender! > Thus, to be absorbed > Through surrender of the self to the Self, > Is to attain the Supreme Truth... I liked the poem but have sincere questions: 1. Is there more than one self (capitalized or not), one self that surrenders to another self? 2. Isn't this promoting the idea of dualism? 3. Attaining Truth or whatever----isn't this the false notion of gaining something in time which is not already in the infinite present? 4. Isn't this an instruction for a supposed individual, which may reinforce the concept of an individual who can do something? Like telling a character in a dream how to act and thinking it matters? Thanks in advance for all answers to these questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 > > SURRENDER* > > ...Than making the ultimate sacrifice > > Of total, complete, self surrender! > > Thus, to be absorbed > > Through surrender of the self to the Self, > > Is to attain the Supreme Truth... > > R: I liked the poem but have sincere questions: > > 1. Is there more than one self (capitalized or not), one self that > surrenders to another self? > > 2. Isn't this promoting the idea of dualism? > > 3. Attaining Truth or whatever----isn't this the false notion of > gaining something in time which is not already in the infinite > present? > > 4. Isn't this an instruction for a supposed individual, which may > reinforce the concept of an individual who can do something? Like > telling a character in a dream how to act and thinking it matters? > > Thanks in advance for all answers to these questions. I equate the self (small s) with ego, with the mind-made self and Self with Sri Ramana's term Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Dear Era, Yes, the self with a small s , is the ego and with a big S is the Real Self of Pure Absolute Consciousness, a syou rightly say at the end of your posting. Q.1 & 2 From a certain standpoint the ego , or' false sense of me' imagines it is separate from the Great Self , and surrenders- so the relationship, as is with much Bhakti, is dualistic eg the lover seeking the beloved. etc. Q.3. You are right, but the ego in its ignorance believes it is separate and performs surrender and other sadhanas such as self enquiry etc. in order to attain Mukti. 4. Ramana's suggestion to surrender the ego to the Self is necessary for Liberation along with Self Enquiry. The Real Self is always there, but the vasanas obscure the Pure Self of Absolute Consciousnes, and while this obscuration is there, he or she lives from a stepped down or reflected Consciousness. This Ramana calls chidabhasa, and prevents Realisation of the Self. So inn a sense it is an instruction or suggestion, to the ego which imagines he or she is a separate individual, identified with the mind and body. Thus Surrender and Srelf Enquiry are Raman's suggestions to remove this illusion. I hope this clarifies the poem. Best wishes and regards, Alan --- On Sat, 5/7/08, Era <mi_nok wrote: Era <mi_nok Re: POEM Saturday, 5 July, 2008, 6:54 PM > > SURRENDER* > > ...Than making the ultimate sacrifice > > Of total, complete, self surrender! > > Thus, to be absorbed > > Through surrender of the self to the Self, > > Is to attain the Supreme Truth... > > R: I liked the poem but have sincere questions: > > 1. Is there more than one self (capitalized or not), one self that > surrenders to another self? > > 2. Isn't this promoting the idea of dualism? > > 3. Attaining Truth or whatever---- isn't this the false notion of > gaining something in time which is not already in the infinite > present? > > 4. Isn't this an instruction for a supposed individual, which may > reinforce the concept of an individual who can do something? Like > telling a character in a dream how to act and thinking it matters? > > Thanks in advance for all answers to these questions. I equate the self (small s) with ego, with the mind-made self and Self with Sri Ramana's term Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Dear Richard, I have received the same questions from Era, so my reply to him is also the answer to your questions. Best wishes and regards, Alan --- On Sat, 5/7/08, Richard <richarkar wrote: Richard <richarkar Re: POEM Saturday, 5 July, 2008, 6:38 PM , " alan jacobs " <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote: > > SURRENDER* > ...Than making the ultimate sacrifice > Of total, complete, self surrender! > Thus, to be absorbed > Through surrender of the self to the Self, > Is to attain the Supreme Truth... I liked the poem but have sincere questions: 1. Is there more than one self (capitalized or not), one self that surrenders to another self? 2. Isn't this promoting the idea of dualism? 3. Attaining Truth or whatever---- isn't this the false notion of gaining something in time which is not already in the infinite present? 4. Isn't this an instruction for a supposed individual, which may reinforce the concept of an individual who can do something? Like telling a character in a dream how to act and thinking it matters? Thanks in advance for all answers to these questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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