Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 The birds have vanished into the sky, By Li Po (701 - 762) English version by Sam Hamill The birds have vanished into the sky, and now the last cloud drains away. We sit together, the mountain and me, until only the mountain remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 On Mon, July 21, 2008 18:46, alan jacobs wrote: > The birds have vanished into the sky, http://ferryfee.com/Bluesky/Shores/The_birds_have_vanished_into_the_sky.html Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Dear Alan, Thanks for illustrating the poem so well. Harsha was keen that we cooperate like this occaisionally. All best wishes and warm regards, Alan --- On Tue, 22/7/08, alan <alan wrote: alan <alan Re: POEM Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:47 AM On Mon, July 21, 2008 18:46, alan jacobs wrote: > The birds have vanished into the sky, http://ferryfee. com/Bluesky/ Shores/The_ birds_have_ vanished_ into_the_ sky.html Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 SURRENDER* Without any conditions, Irreversibly, Absolutely, Offer our poor petty mind, And arrogant ego, To that Great Power that knows the way Our own Divine Source! And happily merge in Her bliss. To attain flourishing immortal life In which Death is no more, The non-dual Truth, The state of Great Silence, There is no other means Than making the ultimate sacrifice Of total, complete, self surrender! Thus, to be absorbed Through surrender of the self to the Self, Is to attain the Supreme Truth. Whatever happens let it happen, Whatever does not happen, Let it not happen, A sadakh with this attitude Will be well established in the Self. *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 SURRENDER* Without any conditions, Irreversibly, Absolutely, Offer our poor petty mind, And arrogant ego, To that Great Power that knows the way Our own Divine Source! And happily merge in Her bliss. To attain flourishing immortal life In which Death is no more, The non-dual Truth, The state of Great Silence, There is no other means Than making the ultimate sacrifice Of total, complete, self surrender! Thus, to be absorbed Through surrender of the self to the Self, Is to attain the Supreme Truth. Whatever happens let it happen, Whatever does not happen, Let it not happen, A sadakh with this attitude Will be well established in the Self. *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 Beautiful! Thanks you Alan. Love and Namaste Harsha On Behalf Of Alan Jacobs Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:55 AM Re: POEM SURRENDER* Without any conditions, Irreversibly, Absolutely, Offer our poor petty mind, And arrogant ego, To that Great Power that knows the way Our own Divine Source! And happily merge in Her bliss. To attain flourishing immortal life In which Death is no more, The non-dual Truth, The state of Great Silence, There is no other means Than making the ultimate sacrifice Of total, complete, self surrender! Thus, to be absorbed Through surrender of the self to the Self, Is to attain the Supreme Truth. Whatever happens let it happen, Whatever does not happen, Let it not happen, A sadakh with this attitude Will be well established in the Self. *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 Dear Harsha, I am very glad you like it. I have joined Stumble and it is fascinating. Love, Alan --- On Sat, 4/10/08, Harsha wrote: Harsha RE: POEM Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 5:15 PM Beautiful! Thanks you Alan.Love and NamasteHarsha []On Behalf Of Alan JacobsSaturday, October 04, 2008 10:55 AMRe: POEMSURRENDER*Without any conditions,Irreversibly,Absolutely,Offer our poor petty mind,And arrogant ego,To that Great Power that knows the wayOur own Divine Source!And happily merge in Her bliss.To attain flourishing immortal lifeIn which Death is no more,The non-dual Truth,The state of Great Silence,There is no other meansThan making the ultimate sacrificeOf total, complete, self surrender!Thus, to be absorbedThrough surrender of the self to the Self,Is to attain the Supreme Truth.Whatever happens let it happen,Whatever does not happen,Let it not happen,A sadakh with this attitudeWill be well established in the Self.*A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar'sPadamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion.------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 Thanks Alan. If anyone else is a member there or has joined, please give the thumbs up to the Luthar.com site and you can review and rate as many articles as you like. Give the recent change in domain names, I need help in the site gaining more visibility through reviews. Here is the their url again. http://www.stumbleupon.com/ Also, if any of you are member of other social networking sites like facebook or myspace, please give a positive plug to Luthar.com. Further, I encourage everyone to to the Luthar.com blog. That way, every time a post is written you will be notified. There are going to be 2-4 posts a week starting this week. Love and Namaste to all Yours in Bhagavan Harsha On Behalf Of Alan Jacobs Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:39 PM RE: POEM Dear Harsha, I am very glad you like it. I have joined Stumble and it is fascinating. Love, Alan --- On Sat, 4/10/08, Harsha wrote: Harsha RE: POEM Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 5:15 PM Beautiful! Thanks you Alan. Love and Namaste Harsha @ . com [] On Behalf Of Alan Jacobs Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:55 AM @ . com Re: POEM SURRENDER* Without any conditions, Irreversibly, Absolutely, Offer our poor petty mind, And arrogant ego, To that Great Power that knows the way Our own Divine Source! And happily merge in Her bliss. To attain flourishing immortal life In which Death is no more, The non-dual Truth, The state of Great Silence, There is no other means Than making the ultimate sacrifice Of total, complete, self surrender! Thus, to be absorbed Through surrender of the self to the Self, Is to attain the Supreme Truth. Whatever happens let it happen, Whatever does not happen, Let it not happen, A sadakh with this attitude Will be well established in the Self. *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Yes, beautiful poem. Thank you, Soul , " Harsha " wrote: > > Beautiful! Thanks you Alan. > > Love and Namaste > Harsha > > > > On Behalf Of Alan Jacobs > Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:55 AM > > Re: POEM > > > > > SURRENDER* > > Without any conditions, > Irreversibly, > Absolutely, > Offer our poor petty mind, > And arrogant ego, > To that Great Power that knows the way > Our own Divine Source! > And happily merge in Her bliss. > > To attain flourishing immortal life > In which Death is no more, > The non-dual Truth, > The state of Great Silence, > There is no other means > Than making the ultimate sacrifice > Of total, complete, self surrender! > Thus, to be absorbed > Through surrender of the self to the Self, > Is to attain the Supreme Truth. > > Whatever happens let it happen, > Whatever does not happen, > Let it not happen, > A sadakh with this attitude > Will be well established in the Self. > > *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's > Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. > > > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Dear Alan, Possibly, we should put some of your versifications on the site as well. They capture so well the spirit of freedom. Love, Harsha On Behalf Of Soul Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:55 AM Re: POEM Yes, beautiful poem. Thank you, Soul , " Harsha " wrote: > > Beautiful! Thanks you Alan. > > Love and Namaste > Harsha > > > > On Behalf Of Alan Jacobs > Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:55 AM > > Re: POEM > > > > > SURRENDER* > > Without any conditions, > Irreversibly, > Absolutely, > Offer our poor petty mind, > And arrogant ego, > To that Great Power that knows the way > Our own Divine Source! > And happily merge in Her bliss. > > To attain flourishing immortal life > In which Death is no more, > The non-dual Truth, > The state of Great Silence, > There is no other means > Than making the ultimate sacrifice > Of total, complete, self surrender! > Thus, to be absorbed > Through surrender of the self to the Self, > Is to attain the Supreme Truth. > > Whatever happens let it happen, > Whatever does not happen, > Let it not happen, > A sadakh with this attitude > Will be well established in the Self. > > *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's > Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. > > > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Hello Everyone, How is it possible to communicate the non-dual truth without the use of language? Is this experience of non-duality sui generis? If it is and absolute truth occurs 'outside' of a structural language signification, what is it's function when an attempt is made to signify the unsignifiable? Words like 'non-duality' and 'absolute truth' refer not to one single individual or group experience but rely for their meaning by reference to other words like 'relative truth' and 'binary opposition'. Thanks James From: alanadamsjacobsDate: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:55:18 +0000Re: POEM SURRENDER*Without any conditions,Irreversibly,Absolutely,Offer our poor petty mind,And arrogant ego,To that Great Power that knows the wayOur own Divine Source!And happily merge in Her bliss.To attain flourishing immortal lifeIn which Death is no more,The non-dual Truth,The state of Great Silence,There is no other meansThan making the ultimate sacrificeOf total, complete, self surrender!Thus, to be absorbedThrough surrender of the self to the Self,Is to attain the Supreme Truth.Whatever happens let it happen,Whatever does not happen,Let it not happen,A sadakh with this attitudeWill be well established in the Self.*A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar'sPadamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Dear james, You asked 1. How is it possible to communicate the non-dual truth without the use of language? Great Jnanis, like Ramana Maharshi were able to transmit the non-dual truth to mature sadhaks by the power of their silent gaze. This capacity is rare even amongst Jnanis and those who possess such a power are often called Supreme Gurus. Such a one was Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. 2. Is this experience of non-duality sui generis? If it is and absolute truth occurs 'outside' of a structural language signification, what is it's function when an attempt is made to signify the unsignifiable? As contact with a Supreme Guru is very rare, great sages endeavour to teach the Non Dual Truth verbally. It is only an approximation of Truth, but a very great deal better than nothing! 3. Words like 'non-duality' and 'absolute truth' refer not to one single individual or group experience but rely for their meaning by reference to other words like 'relative truth' and 'binary opposition'. Yes. All regards and best wishes, Alan SURRENDER* Without any conditions, Irreversibly, Absolutely, Offer our poor petty mind, And arrogant ego, To that Great Power that knows the way Our own Divine Source! And happily merge in Her bliss. To attain flourishing immortal life In which Death is no more, The non-dual Truth, The state of Great Silence, There is no other means Than making the ultimate sacrifice Of total, complete, self surrender! Thus, to be absorbed Through surrender of the self to the Self, Is to attain the Supreme Truth. Whatever happens let it happen, Whatever does not happen, Let it not happen, A sadakh with this attitude Will be well established in the Self. *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Dear Alan, Thankyou very much for your response. As you can tell, I am a respectful skeptic but a skeptic who comes from a place of love. I would like to ask you how you think the process of the 'silent gaze' transmits non-dual truths. I understand that it is perhaps impossible to describe in words, but I would like to know your response to that impossibility and how you and other devotees suspend your rationality. Ofcourse I understand that the concept of 'rationality' has come under some scrutiny since the linguistic turn and post modern theory, and that it is no longer considered a unique product of western philosophy; but even so, your response to this would be gratefully received. James From: alana damsjacobsMon, 6 Oct 2008 13:18:35 +0000RE: POEM Dear james,You asked1. How is it possible to communicate the non-dual truth without the use of language? Great Jnanis, like Ramana Maharshi were able to transmit the non-dual truth to mature sadhaks by the power of their silent gaze. This capacity is rare even amongst Jnanis and those who possess such a power are often called Supreme Gurus. Such a one was Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.2. Is this experience of non-duality sui generis? If it is and absolute truth occurs 'outside' of a structural language signification, what is it's function when an attempt is made to signify the unsignifiable? As contact with a Supreme Guru is very rare, great sages endeavour to teach the Non Dual Truth verbally. It is only an approximation of Truth, but a very great deal better than nothing!3. Words like 'non-duality' and 'absolute truth' refer not to one single individual or group experience but rely for their meaning by reference to other words like 'relative truth' and 'binary opposition'. Yes.All regards and best wishes,Alan SURRENDER*Without any conditions,Irreversibly,Absolutely,Offer our poor petty mind,And arrogant ego,To that Great Power that knows the wayOur own Divine Source!And happily merge in Her bliss.To attain flourishing immortal lifeIn which Death is no more,The non-dual Truth,The state of Great Silence,There is no other meansThan making the ultimate sacrificeOf total, complete, self surrender!Thus, to be absorbedThrough surrender of the self to the Self,Is to attain the Supreme Truth.Whatever happens let it happen,Whatever does not happen,Let it not happen,A sadakh with this attitudeWill be well established in the Self.*A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar'sPadamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion.Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now Win £3000 to spend on whatever you want at Uni! Click here to WIN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote: > > I would like to ask you how you think the process of the 'silent gaze' transmits non-dual truths. I understand that it is perhaps impossible to describe in words, but I would like to know your response to that impossibility and how you and other devotees suspend your rationality. Ofcourse I understand that the concept of 'rationality' has come under some scrutiny since the linguistic turn and post modern theory, and that it is no longer considered a unique product of western philosophy; but even so, your response to this would be gratefully received. > Dear James, I know that the question was directed to Alan, and I hope that either you or him don't mind if I throw a short thought in response. The same as when we silently gaze into the eyes of the beloved (the immediate perception of the other as " us " ) give us the " resonance " of the same chord within and we proclaim " I'm in love " since our emotional faculties have been evoqued, the Jnani (who is the embodiment of the non-dual Reality), faced with a prepared mind, will also resonate the " chord " of the Self within. In Fact, it is the Self resonating with itself, but by this same " act " , dissolving the apparent difference. Bhagavan Ramana always emphasized that the Guru has these two aspects, the inner and the outer, and they " dissolve " (for lack of a better word) when this " resonance " happens. Words may or may not be necessary for this to happen. Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Dear Mouna, Dear James your example: looking in the eyes of the BELOVED ONE, is a wonderful explanation. Of course if you already are able to express and to absorb LOVE and not the "common love" - only. This is IT, where at least this person KNOWS in ITSELF -SELF- the TRUTH. Words are just mixing up everything - if we want to explain IT. STILLNESS is the "means" to UNDERSTAND. This silent transmission is the "highestcontact" possible. If you practically experienced this, than you KNOW without intellectual knowledge and necessity of "proof" that what you "felt, saw, heard..." is AUTHENTIC. No words, no explanation afterwards necessary. Just the readiness to follow this incredible Grace. Which in consequence means SURRENDERING completely... in this moments of Grace there is no Ego anymore and the PEACE TRANQUILLITY HARMONY LOVE you experience is the signpost for your Sadhana. Of course all this terms are just "words" - what remains is TRUTH is IT what "i" feel when looking in the EYES of THE BELOVED ONES and this again IS silent transmission of TRUTH etc in GD michael - upadesa Monday, October 06, 2008 5:41 PM Re: POEM james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote:>> I would like to ask you how you think the process of the 'silentgaze' transmits non-dual truths. I understand that it is perhapsimpossible to describe in words, but I would like to know yourresponse to that impossibility and how you and other devotees suspendyour rationality. Ofcourse I understand that the concept of'rationality' has come under some scrutiny since the linguistic turnand post modern theory, and that it is no longer considered a uniqueproduct of western philosophy; but even so, your response to thiswould be gratefully received. > Dear James,I know that the question was directed to Alan, and I hope that eitheryou or him don't mind if I throw a short thought in response.The same as when we silently gaze into the eyes of the beloved (theimmediate perception of the other as "us") give us the "resonance" ofthe same chord within and we proclaim "I'm in love" since ouremotional faculties have been evoqued, the Jnani (who is theembodiment of the non-dual Reality), faced with a prepared mind, willalso resonate the "chord" of the Self within. In Fact, it is the Selfresonating with itself, but by this same "act", dissolving theapparent difference.Bhagavan Ramana always emphasized that the Guru has these two aspects,the inner and the outer, and they "dissolve" (for lack of a betterword) when this "resonance" happens.Words may or may not be necessary for this to happen.Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1710 - Release 06/10/2008 9.23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Dear James, Because the Jnani is no longer living from stepped down reflected consciousness, because of the obscuration of vasanas etc. as we are; he is living from the full power of Absolute Pure Consciousness which implicitely has the ability to evoke or transmit an experience of the Self in another through his gaze and presence, providing they are open to the transmission. Absolute Pure Consciousness contains many qualities such as intelligence, unconditional love, deep silence etc. No Devotee ever suspends their rationality in this quest. We are taught by Bhagavan to maintain our fullest intellectual discrimination. When you really investigate Advaita Metaphysics you will find it transcends the best Western Philosphy. Probably the closest Western Philosopher to this teaching is Arthur Schopenhauer, rather than logical positivism etc.- a great rationalist who loved the Upanishads! All best wishes and warm regards, Alan --- On Mon, 6/10/08, james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote: james cogdell <cogdelljames RE: POEM Monday, 6 October, 2008, 4:01 PM Dear Alan, Thankyou very much for your response. As you can tell, I am a respectful skeptic but a skeptic who comes from a place of love. I would like to ask you how you think the process of the 'silent gaze' transmits non-dual truths. I understand that it is perhaps impossible to describe in words, but I would like to know your response to that impossibility and how you and other devotees suspend your rationality. Ofcourse I understand that the concept of 'rationality' has come under some scrutiny since the linguistic turn and post modern theory, and that it is no longer considered a unique product of western philosophy; but even so, your response to this would be gratefully received. James alana damsjacobs (AT) (DOT) co.uk Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:18:35 +0000 RE: POEM Dear james, You asked 1. How is it possible to communicate the non-dual truth without the use of language? Great Jnanis, like Ramana Maharshi were able to transmit the non-dual truth to mature sadhaks by the power of their silent gaze. This capacity is rare even amongst Jnanis and those who possess such a power are often called Supreme Gurus. Such a one was Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. 2. Is this experience of non-duality sui generis? If it is and absolute truth occurs 'outside' of a structural language signification, what is it's function when an attempt is made to signify the unsignifiable? As contact with a Supreme Guru is very rare, great sages endeavour to teach the Non Dual Truth verbally. It is only an approximation of Truth, but a very great deal better than nothing! 3. Words like 'non-duality' and 'absolute truth' refer not to one single individual or group experience but rely for their meaning by reference to other words like 'relative truth' and 'binary opposition'. Yes. All regards and best wishes, Alan SURRENDER* Without any conditions, Irreversibly, Absolutely, Offer our poor petty mind, And arrogant ego, To that Great Power that knows the way Our own Divine Source! And happily merge in Her bliss. To attain flourishing immortal life In which Death is no more, The non-dual Truth, The state of Great Silence, There is no other means Than making the ultimate sacrifice Of total, complete, self surrender! Thus, to be absorbed Through surrender of the self to the Self, Is to attain the Supreme Truth. Whatever happens let it happen, Whatever does not happen, Let it not happen, A sadakh with this attitude Will be well established in the Self. *A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar's Padamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion. Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now Win £3000 to spend on whatever you want at Uni! Click here to WIN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Dear Alan and eeryone else who has replied to my questions, Thankyou Alan for your last response. Can you direct me to a Jnani? Is that as naiave a question as it sounds?! Also, can you recommend a book for someone at my beginning level? This question is for everyone as well as Alan. Also, I live in central London and wondered if there are any teachers here or groups that could direct me and with whom I can explore this fascinating area. Thanks James From: alanadamsjacobsDate: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:34:31 +0000RE: POEM Dear James,Because the Jnani is no longer living from stepped down reflected consciousness, because of the obscuration of vasanas etc. as we are;he is living from the full power of Absolute Pure Consciousness which implicitely has the ability to evoke or transmit an experience of the Self in another through his gaze and presence, providing they are open to the transmission. Absolute Pure Consciousness contains many qualities such as intelligence, unconditional love, deep silence etc.No Devotee ever suspends their rationality in this quest. We are taught by Bhagavan to maintain our fullest intellectual discrimination. When you really investigate Advaita Metaphysics you will find it transcends the best Western Philosphy. Probably the closest Western Philosopher to this teaching is Arthur Schopenhauer, rather than logical positivism etc.- a great rationalist who loved the Upanishads!All best wishes and warm regards,Alan --- On Mon, 6/10/08, james cogdell <cogdelljames (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:james cogdell <cogdelljames (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>RE: POEM Date: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 4:01 PMDear Alan,Thankyou very much for your response. As you can tell, I am a respectful skeptic but a skeptic who comes from a place of love. I would like to ask you how you think the process of the 'silent gaze' transmits non-dual truths. I understand that it is perhaps impossible to describe in words, but I would like to know your response to that impossibility and how you and other devotees suspend your rationality. Ofcourse I understand that the concept of 'rationality' has come under some scrutiny since the linguistic turn and post modern theory, and that it is no longer considered a unique product of western philosophy; but even so, your response to this would be gratefully received. Jamesalana damsjacobs (AT) (DOT) co.ukMon, 6 Oct 2008 13:18:35 +0000RE: POEMDear james,You asked1. How is it possible to communicate the non-dual truth without the use of language? Great Jnanis, like Ramana Maharshi were able to transmit the non-dual truth to mature sadhaks by the power of their silent gaze. This capacity is rare even amongst Jnanis and those who possess such a power are often called Supreme Gurus. Such a one was Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.2. Is this experience of non-duality sui generis? If it is and absolute truth occurs 'outside' of a structural language signification, what is it's function when an attempt is made to signify the unsignifiable? As contact with a Supreme Guru is very rare, great sages endeavour to teach the Non Dual Truth verbally. It is only an approximation of Truth, but a very great deal better than nothing!3. Words like 'non-duality' and 'absolute truth' refer not to one single individual or group experience but rely for their meaning by reference to other words like 'relative truth' and 'binary opposition'. Yes.All regards and best wishes,Alan SURRENDER*Without any conditions,Irreversibly,Absolutely,Offer our poor petty mind,And arrogant ego,To that Great Power that knows the wayOur own Divine Source!And happily merge in Her bliss.To attain flourishing immortal lifeIn which Death is no more,The non-dual Truth,The state of Great Silence,There is no other meansThan making the ultimate sacrificeOf total, complete, self surrender!Thus, to be absorbedThrough surrender of the self to the Self,Is to attain the Supreme Truth.Whatever happens let it happen,Whatever does not happen,Let it not happen,A sadakh with this attitudeWill be well established in the Self.*A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar'sPadamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion.Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now Win £3000 to spend on whatever you want at Uni! Click here to WIN! Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Talks with Sri Ramana MaharshiTalk 285:*************D.: Why does not Sri Bhagavan go about and preach the Truth to the people at large?M.: How do you know that I am not doing it? Does preaching consist in mounting a platform and haranguing to the people around? Preaching is simple communication of knowledge. It may be done in Silence too. What do you think of a man listening to a harangue for an hour and going away without being impressed by it so as to change his life? Compare him with another who sits in a holy presence and leaves after some time with his outlook on life totally changed. Which is better: To preach loudly without effect or to sit silently sending forth intuitive forces to play on others? Again how does speech arise? There is abstract knowledge (unmanifest). From it there rises the ego which gives rise to thoughts and words successively. Words are therefore the great grandson of the original source. If words can produce an effect, how much more powerful should the preaching through silence be? Judge for yourself.*************On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM, james cogdell <cogdelljames wrote: Dear Alan, Thankyou very much for your response. As you can tell, I am a respectful skeptic but a skeptic who comes from a place of love. I would like to ask you how you think the process of the 'silent gaze' transmits non-dual truths. I understand that it is perhaps impossible to describe in words, but I would like to know your response to that impossibility and how you and other devotees suspend your rationality. Ofcourse I understand that the concept of 'rationality' has come under some scrutiny since the linguistic turn and post modern theory, and that it is no longer considered a unique product of western philosophy; but even so, your response to this would be gratefully received. James From: alana damsjacobsMon, 6 Oct 2008 13:18:35 +0000RE: POEM Dear james,You asked1. How is it possible to communicate the non-dual truth without the use of language? Great Jnanis, like Ramana Maharshi were able to transmit the non-dual truth to mature sadhaks by the power of their silent gaze. This capacity is rare even amongst Jnanis and those who possess such a power are often called Supreme Gurus. Such a one was Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. 2. Is this experience of non-duality sui generis? If it is and absolute truth occurs 'outside' of a structural language signification, what is it's function when an attempt is made to signify the unsignifiable? As contact with a Supreme Guru is very rare, great sages endeavour to teach the Non Dual Truth verbally. It is only an approximation of Truth, but a very great deal better than nothing!3. Words like 'non-duality' and 'absolute truth' refer not to one single individual or group experience but rely for their meaning by reference to other words like 'relative truth' and 'binary opposition'. Yes.All regards and best wishes,Alan SURRENDER*Without any conditions,Irreversibly,Absolutely,Offer our poor petty mind,And arrogant ego,To that Great Power that knows the way Our own Divine Source!And happily merge in Her bliss.To attain flourishing immortal lifeIn which Death is no more,The non-dual Truth,The state of Great Silence,There is no other meansThan making the ultimate sacrifice Of total, complete, self surrender!Thus, to be absorbedThrough surrender of the self to the Self,Is to attain the Supreme Truth.Whatever happens let it happen,Whatever does not happen,Let it not happen, A sadakh with this attitudeWill be well established in the Self.*A free versification of the opening verses in Muruganar'sPadamalai from the Chapter on Surrender, Love and Devotion.Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now Win £3000 to spend on whatever you want at Uni! Click here to WIN! -- Hunting the 'I' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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