Guest guest Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Teaching nonduality—sharing the ultimate medicineNondual awareness—what is also called "buddhamind,suchness,just this," "original wisdom" and many other names—is the most precious space that a person can realize. To rest and live in this space is the ultimate medicine because here there is no sense of lack or deficiency. No matter how things are; no matter what sensations are arising in the body, no matter what is being thought, or where we are in terms of health or material resources, nothing more is needed . We live from a space that can't be enhanced or improved because "here" no one needs anything.Nondual awareness is the most precious resource available to every human being and for humanity at large; especially as we negotiate our way through this critical phase of human history. There's no question that the most efficient way to demand less from our delicate environment is to discover the space of authentic self-sufficiency, and live more thoroughly from a place where we're nourished and fulfilled by awareness itself.Every day, some people awake in a selfless recognition of their fundamental nature — a sphere of awareness through which life moves—without this being shown to them by a teacher. There are innumerable cases of spontaneous realization throughout human history. But in the majority of cases people come to this recognition through a connection with an Advaita master, Zen practice, the instructions of a Dzogchen lama, working with Western non-aligned teachers, nondual therapists, or timeless texts that directly point to awareness itself. But don't I need to be realized before sharing nondual awareness? Some people feel that it's impossible to learn how to cultivate and transmit nondual awareness. They hold that it arises without any causes. At one level this is true. Nothing can bring "this" into being, because "nothing" is being created. "This" is always, already here. Still, the wisdom of the "pristine self-sufficient purity of this moment" has also been consciously transmitted, at least from the time when the Buddha held up a flower and the great Kashyapa received a direct transmission of a contentless wisdom revealing the nature of consciousness itself. Nondual awareness has been consciously revealed in the minds of hundreds of thousands of people through self inquiry, koans, clear seeing or vipashyana, and pointing out events. These methods first entered the West 50 years or so ago. Today, half a century later, a significant number of Westerners are maturing as authentic agents for nondual transmission. While the mind-to-mind transmission of pure awareness goes beyond all agency and contrivance, it's possible to see how transmission happens, and use a broad palette of tools and sensitivities to awaken this in others. If someone has a clear recognition of the centerless space of nondual awareness and are naturally gifted to share at this level, it's definitely possible to refine the capacity for nondual transmission and extend the reach of the field in which this happens. Many forms of nondual inquiry There are many forms of nondual inquiry. Indian Mahayana, Zen, Advaita and Dzogchen all have their preferred methods. Some approaches are confrontational, others are gentle. Some are incremental, others are sudden. Some methods lend themselves to group entrainment, others are more suited to a one-on-one, dokusan-type of exchange. Some approaches build on a foundation of contemplative serenity, others cut through intellectualization in swift, robust dialogues.from Jerry Katz NDS mentioning http://www.nondualtraining.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 If this is done on a non commercial basis, without a fee, I would consider it genuine. sundar , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > Teaching nonduality—sharing the ultimate medicine > > > Nondual awareness—what is also called " buddhamind, " > " suchness, " " just this, " " original wisdom " and > many other names—is the most precious space that a person can > realize. To rest and live in this space is the ultimate medicine because > here there is no sense of lack or deficiency. No matter how things are; > no matter what sensations are arising in the body, no matter what is > being thought, or where we are in terms of health or material resources, > nothing more is needed . We live from a space that can't be > enhanced or improved because " here " no one needs anything. > > > Nondual awareness is the most precious resource available to every human > being and for humanity at large; especially as we negotiate our way > through this critical phase of human history. There's no question > that the most efficient way to demand less from our delicate environment > is to discover the space of authentic self-sufficiency, and live more > thoroughly from a place where we're nourished and fulfilled by > awareness itself. > > > Every day, some people awake in a selfless recognition of their > fundamental nature — a sphere of awareness through which life > moves—without this being shown to them by a teacher. There are > innumerable cases of spontaneous realization throughout human history. > But in the majority of cases people come to this recognition through a > connection with an Advaita master, Zen practice, the instructions of a > Dzogchen lama, working with Western non-aligned teachers, nondual > therapists, or timeless texts that directly point to awareness itself. > > > But don't I need to be realized before sharing nondual awareness? > > > Some people feel that it's impossible to learn how to cultivate and > transmit nondual awareness. They hold that it arises without any causes. > At one level this is true. Nothing can bring " this " into being, > because " nothing " is being created. " This " is always, > already here. Still, the wisdom of the " pristine self-sufficient > purity of this moment " has also been consciously transmitted, at > least from the time when the Buddha held up a flower and the great > Kashyapa received a direct transmission of a contentless wisdom > revealing the nature of consciousness itself. > > > Nondual awareness has been consciously revealed in the minds of hundreds > of thousands of people through self inquiry, koans, clear seeing or > vipashyana, and pointing out events. These methods first entered the > West 50 years or so ago. Today, half a century later, a significant > number of Westerners are maturing as authentic agents for nondual > transmission. > > > While the mind-to-mind transmission of pure awareness goes beyond all > agency and contrivance, it's possible to see how transmission > happens, and use a broad palette of tools and sensitivities to awaken > this in others. If someone has a clear recognition of the centerless > space of nondual awareness and are naturally gifted to share at this > level, it's definitely possible to refine the capacity for nondual > transmission and extend the reach of the field in which this happens. > > > Many forms of nondual inquiry > > > There are many forms of nondual inquiry. Indian Mahayana, Zen, Advaita > and Dzogchen all have their preferred methods. Some approaches are > confrontational, others are gentle. Some are incremental, others are > sudden. Some methods lend themselves to group entrainment, others are > more suited to a one-on-one, dokusan-type of exchange. Some approaches > build on a foundation of contemplative serenity, others cut through > intellectualization in swift, robust dialogues. > > > > from Jerry Katz NDS mentioning http://www.nondualtraining.com > <http://www.nondualtraining.com/> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 dear Sundar, et al > > If this is done on a non commercial basis, without a fee, I would > consider it genuine. > sundar Why wouldn't the course be genuine ? it is not to choose an other Advaitin Guru than Bhagawan, in witch case money would play a role, but to learn how to spread the the Advaitin message. I am curious if anyone thinks that there is a mind to mind transmission of ND possible, is it happening between us, or not. Era > > Teaching nonduality—sharing the ultimate medicine > > > > > > Nondual awareness—what is also called " buddhamind, " > > " suchness, " " just this, " " original wisdom " and > > many other names—is the most precious space that a person can > > realize. To rest and live in this space is the ultimate medicine > > because > > here there is no sense of lack or deficiency. No matter how things > > are; > > no matter what sensations are arising in the body, no matter what > > is > > being thought, or where we are in terms of health or material > > resources, > > nothing more is needed . We live from a space that can't be > > enhanced or improved because " here " no one needs anything. > > > > > > Nondual awareness is the most precious resource available to every > > human > > being and for humanity at large; especially as we negotiate our > > way > > through this critical phase of human history. There's no question > > that the most efficient way to demand less from our delicate > > environment > > is to discover the space of authentic self-sufficiency, and live > > more > > thoroughly from a place where we're nourished and fulfilled by > > awareness itself. > > > > > > Every day, some people awake in a selfless recognition of their > > fundamental nature — a sphere of awareness through which life > > moves—without this being shown to them by a teacher. There are > > innumerable cases of spontaneous realization throughout human > > history. > > But in the majority of cases people come to this recognition > > through a > > connection with an Advaita master, Zen practice, the instructions > > of a > > Dzogchen lama, working with Western non-aligned teachers, nondual > > therapists, or timeless texts that directly point to awareness > > itself. > > > > > > But don't I need to be realized before sharing nondual awareness? > > > > > > Some people feel that it's impossible to learn how to cultivate > > and > > transmit nondual awareness. They hold that it arises without any > > causes. > > At one level this is true. Nothing can bring " this " into being, > > because " nothing " is being created. " This " is always, > > already here. Still, the wisdom of the " pristine self-sufficient > > purity of this moment " has also been consciously transmitted, at > > least from the time when the Buddha held up a flower and the great > > Kashyapa received a direct transmission of a contentless wisdom > > revealing the nature of consciousness itself. > > > > > > Nondual awareness has been consciously revealed in the minds of > > hundreds > > of thousands of people through self inquiry, koans, clear seeing > > or > > vipashyana, and pointing out events. These methods first entered > > the > > West 50 years or so ago. Today, half a century later, a > > significant > > number of Westerners are maturing as authentic agents for nondual > > transmission. > > > > > > While the mind-to-mind transmission of pure awareness goes beyond > > all > > agency and contrivance, it's possible to see how transmission > > happens, and use a broad palette of tools and sensitivities to > > awaken > > this in others. If someone has a clear recognition of the > > centerless > > space of nondual awareness and are naturally gifted to share at > > this > > level, it's definitely possible to refine the capacity for nondual > > transmission and extend the reach of the field in which this > > happens. > > > > > > Many forms of nondual inquiry > > > > > > There are many forms of nondual inquiry. Indian Mahayana, Zen, > > Advaita > > and Dzogchen all have their preferred methods. Some approaches are > > confrontational, others are gentle. Some are incremental, others > > are > > sudden. Some methods lend themselves to group entrainment, others > > are > > more suited to a one-on-one, dokusan-type of exchange. Some > > approaches > > build on a foundation of contemplative serenity, others cut > > through > > intellectualization in swift, robust dialogues. > > > > > > > > from Jerry Katz NDS mentioning http://www.nondualtraining.com > > <http://www.nondualtraining.com/> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 My dear Era, While I have great respect for you, your search, and your postings generally, with this one I share some misgivings along with Sundar. I feel that Self Realisation can only be attained by learning from a Jnani and following his suggestions on sadhana to the best of one's capability. In our case, we acknowledge that Bhagavan is a Supreme Guru who could even teach through silence. To attain Self Realisation we need to expell the vasanas or egotism which occlude our knowledge of the immanent Self, source of our Being. In this posting a host of non-dual teachings are mentioned, but hardly apply unless Grace brings one to a Living Realised Master. Of course Non-Dual Awareness is important and we practice this in our sadhana of Self Enquiry, and Surrender , non-attachment etc. etc. But in my view mind to mind transmission needs a Guru who is a Self Realised Jnani. Now in this Group we help each other by clarifying understanding where there are doubts, adding pertinent postings which may appeal, and keep the flame alive.Also we assist each others understanding and Sadhana, as well as support one another the very best we can. I do not feel, however, this is transmission on the level of the Sage giving Darshan or Diksha to the devoted pupil. All very best wishes and warmnest regards, Alan--- On Sat, 6/9/08, Era <mi_nok wrote: Era <mi_nok Re: Is there Mind to Mind transmission ? Date: Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 10:47 PM dear Sundar, et al>> If this is done on a non commercial basis, without a fee, I would> consider it genuine.> sundarWhy wouldn't the course be genuine ? it is not to choose an otherAdvaitin Guru than Bhagawan, in witch case money would play a role,but to learn how to spread the the Advaitin message.I am curious if anyone thinks that there is a mind to mindtransmission of ND possible, is it happening between us, or not.Era> > Teaching nonduality—sharing the ultimate medicine> > > > > > Nondual awareness—what is also called "buddhamind, "> > "suchness,just this,original wisdom" and> > many other names—is the most precious space that a person can> > realize. To rest and live in this space is the ultimate medicine > > because> > here there is no sense of lack or deficiency. No matter how things> > are;> > no matter what sensations are arising in the body, no matter what> > is> > being thought, or where we are in terms of health or material > > resources,> > nothing more is needed . We live from a space that can't be> > enhanced or improved because "here" no one needs anything.> > > > > > Nondual awareness is the most precious resource available to every> > human> > being and for humanity at large; especially as we negotiate our > > way> > through this critical phase of human history. There's no question> > that the most efficient way to demand less from our delicate > > environment> > is to discover the space of authentic self-sufficiency, and live > > more> > thoroughly from a place where we're nourished and fulfilled by> > awareness itself.> > > > > > Every day, some people awake in a selfless recognition of their> > fundamental nature — a sphere of awareness through which life> > moves—without this being shown to them by a teacher. There are> > innumerable cases of spontaneous realization throughout human > > history.> > But in the majority of cases people come to this recognition > > through a> > connection with an Advaita master, Zen practice, the instructions> > of a> > Dzogchen lama, working with Western non-aligned teachers, nondual> > therapists, or timeless texts that directly point to awareness > > itself.> > > > > > But don't I need to be realized before sharing nondual awareness?> > > > > > Some people feel that it's impossible to learn how to cultivate > > and> > transmit nondual awareness. They hold that it arises without any > > causes.> > At one level this is true. Nothing can bring "this" into being,> > because "nothing" is being created. "This" is always,> > already here. Still, the wisdom of the "pristine self-sufficient> > purity of this moment" has also been consciously transmitted, at> > least from the time when the Buddha held up a flower and the great> > Kashyapa received a direct transmission of a contentless wisdom> > revealing the nature of consciousness itself.> > > > > > Nondual awareness has been consciously revealed in the minds of > > hundreds> > of thousands of people through self inquiry, koans, clear seeing > > or> > vipashyana, and pointing out events. These methods first entered> > the> > West 50 years or so ago. Today, half a century later, a > > significant> > number of Westerners are maturing as authentic agents for nondual> > transmission.> > > > > > While the mind-to-mind transmission of pure awareness goes beyond> > all> > agency and contrivance, it's possible to see how transmission> > happens, and use a broad palette of tools and sensitivities to > > awaken> > this in others. If someone has a clear recognition of the > > centerless> > space of nondual awareness and are naturally gifted to share at > > this> > level, it's definitely possible to refine the capacity for nondual> > transmission and extend the reach of the field in which this > > happens.> > > > > > Many forms of nondual inquiry> > > > > > There are many forms of nondual inquiry. Indian Mahayana, Zen, > > Advaita> > and Dzogchen all have their preferred methods. Some approaches are> > confrontational, others are gentle. Some are incremental, others > > are> > sudden. Some methods lend themselves to group entrainment, others> > are> > more suited to a one-on-one, dokusan-type of exchange. Some > > approaches> > build on a foundation of contemplative serenity, others cut > > through> > intellectualization in swift, robust dialogues.> > > > > > > > from Jerry Katz NDS mentioning http://www.nondualt raining.com> > <http://www.nondualt raining.com/>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 My dear Era, While I have great respect for you, your search, and your postings generally, with this one I share some misgivings along with Sundar. I feel that Self Realisation can only be attained by learning from a Jnani and following his suggestions on sadhana to the best of one's capability. In our case, we acknowledge that Bhagavan is a Supreme Guru who could even teach through silence. To attain Self Realisation we need to expell the vasanas or egotism which occlude our knowledge of the immanent Self, source of our Being. In this posting a host of non-dual teachings are mentioned, but hardly apply unless Grace brings one to a Living Realised Master. Of course Non-Dual Awareness is important and we practice this in our sadhana of Self Enquiry, and Surrender, non-attachment etc. etc. But in my view mind to mind transmission needs a Guru who is a Self Realised Jnani. Era: Of course, I agree with all what you wrote dear Alan. And in the same breath I recognhize Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ranjit Maharaj, Shankara and the now living Eckhard Tolle as Self Realised Jnanis. So in mind there is nothing wrong with sharing their thoughts on NonDuality. SADHANA IS ON AN OTHER PAGE and there is noway around it, it is needed to expell the vasanas and egotism. Learning tools for effective communication is a good thing, the more ppl talk about and introduce ND the better in our over-populated world of the today. Who ever is serious about awakening will do Self-Enquiry, and will Surrender to the Self. But I understand, that in your mind this group IS solely dedicated to Sri Ramana Maharshi. (I doubt, that Harshaji agrees with this) -=-=- Alan cont.: Now in this Group we help each other by clarifying understanding where there are doubts, adding pertinent postings which may appeal, and keep the flame alive.Also we assist each others understanding and Sadhana, as well as support one another the very best we can. I do not feel, however, this is transmission on the level of the Sage giving Darshan or Diksha to the devoted pupil. All very best wishes and warmnest regards, Alan ~om namo sri bhagavate ramanayana~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 My Dear Era, Thanks for your reply and making yourself so clear. Of course there are other Jnanis in the world apart from Bhagavan, who is in our Hearts. Yes, I am dedicated to Ramana. I agree, Harsha allows freedom of expression within reason on this site, so as a Moderator, do I. But courteously I hope , I presented my misgivings. Have a great day, and all blessings on you, Love, Alan --- On Sun, 7/9/08, Era <mi_nok wrote: Era <mi_nok Re: Is there Mind to Mind transmission ? Date: Sunday, 7 September, 2008, 10:43 AM My dear Era,While I have great respect for you, your search, and your postingsgenerally, with this one I share some misgivings along with Sundar.I feel that Self Realisation can only be attained by learning from aJnani and following his suggestions on sadhana to the best of one'scapability. In our case, we acknowledge that Bhagavan is a SupremeGuru who could even teach through silence. To attain Self Realisationwe need to expell the vasanas or egotism which occlude our knowledgeof the immanent Self, source of our Being. In this posting a host ofnon-dual teachings are mentioned, but hardly apply unless Grace bringsone to a Living Realised Master. Of course Non-Dual Awareness isimportant and we practice this in our sadhana of Self Enquiry, andSurrender, non-attachment etc. etc. But in my view mind to mindtransmission needs a Guru who is a Self Realised Jnani.Era: Of course, I agree with all what you wrote dear Alan. And inthe same breath I recognhize Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ranjit Maharaj,Shankara and the now living Eckhard Tolle as Self Realised Jnanis.So in mind there is nothing wrong with sharing their thoughts onNonDuality. SADHANA IS ON AN OTHER PAGE and there is noway around it, it isneeded to expell the vasanas and egotism.Learning tools for effective communication is a good thing, the moreppl talk about and introduce ND the better in our over-populated worldof the today. Who ever is serious about awakening will doSelf-Enquiry, and will Surrender to the Self.But I understand, that in your mind this group IS solely dedicated toSri Ramana Maharshi. (I doubt, that Harshaji agrees with this)-=-=-Alan cont.: Now in this Group we help each other by clarifyingunderstanding where there are doubts, adding pertinent postings whichmay appeal, and keep the flame alive.Also we assist each othersunderstanding and Sadhana, as well as support one another the verybest we can. I do not feel, however, this is transmission on the levelof the Sage giving Darshan or Diksha to the devoted pupil.All very best wishes and warmnest regards,Alan~om namo sri bhagavate ramanayana~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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