Guest guest Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 GITA STUDY 22 From III.42 " Mighty, they say are the senses, mightier than these the mind, mightier than that the intellect, but mightier still is He. " COMMENT:Here Bhagavan points to the order of powers relating to the senses, mind, intellect and He (the Self or God). The senses can be controlled by mind, and the mind by intellectual discrimination and dispassion, but the power of the Self or God can control all. Pleas make further comments or questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > GITA STUDY 22 > From III.42 > > " Mighty, they say are the senses, mightier than these the mind, mightier than that the intellect, but mightier still is He. " > Dear Alan and Friends, Reading this verse, immediately the question I had is: if that is the case, why in the world we always keep falling prey to our senses? being the weakest of all? why not be continually established in Him (the Self) since it is the most powerfull of them all!?? With further thinking, again, if we see these verses as tools, I think what is proposed here is a hierarchy of priority where to focus our efforts. Attention and control of senses, mind and intellect, although good for preparation will never give the same results as directing our FULL ATTENTION to the Self. This need to be the underlying theme of any sadhana (being sense control, breath control, mind control, etc...), even at the early stages of any type of control. Directing attention to Him (Self) we are sure that whatever practice we are doing it will be succesfull in the end, since we are relying on the most powerfull ally we have. The same idea could apply when we are dealing with the tree of thoughts, instead of focusing our attention on the peripheral leaves, we go for the roots, the I-Thought. Thanks Alan, Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Ultimately all distinctions between God and self fail. ~A , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > GITA STUDY 22 > > From III.42 > > " Mighty, they say are the senses, mightier than these the mind, mightier than that the intellect, but mightier still is He. " > > COMMENT:Here Bhagavan points to the order of powers relating to the senses, mind, intellect and He (the Self or God). The senses can be controlled by mind, and the mind by intellectual discrimination and dispassion, but the power of the Self or God can control all. > > Pleas make further comments or questions. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Anabebe, You are quite right in the ultimate sense, but we use the terms together sometimes to distinguish between the immanent Self and transcedental God (Iswara) who still plays a powerful part. I like your wild geese metaphor. All regards and best wishes, Alan --- On Wed, 17/9/08, anabebe57 <kailashana wrote: anabebe57 <kailashana Re: GITA STUDY 22 Date: Wednesday, 17 September, 2008, 3:34 AM Ultimately all distinctions between God and self fail. ~A, Alan Jacobs<alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> GITA STUDY 22> > From III.42> > "Mighty, they say are the senses, mightier than these the mind,mightier than that the intellect, but mightier still is He."> > COMMENT:Here Bhagavan points to the order of powers relating to thesenses, mind, intellect and He (the Self or God). The senses can becontrolled by mind, and the mind by intellectual discrimination anddispassion, but the power of the Self or God can control all.> > Pleas make further comments or questions.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Dear Mouna, Once again thank you for this amplification of this verse's meaning, most apposite. Love, Alan --- On Wed, 17/9/08, upadesa <maunna wrote: upadesa <maunna Re: GITA STUDY 22 Date: Wednesday, 17 September, 2008, 1:28 AM , Alan Jacobs<alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> GITA STUDY 22 > From III.42> > "Mighty, they say are the senses, mightier than these the mind,mightier than that the intellect, but mightier still is He."> Dear Alan and Friends,Reading this verse, immediately the question I had is: if that is thecase, why in the world we always keep falling prey to our senses?being the weakest of all? why not be continually established in Him(the Self) since it is the most powerfull of them all!??With further thinking, again, if we see these verses as tools, I thinkwhat is proposed here is a hierarchy of priority where to focus ourefforts. Attention and control of senses, mind and intellect, althoughgood for preparation will never give the same results as directing ourFULL ATTENTION to the Self. This need to be the underlying theme ofany sadhana (being sense control, breath control, mind control,etc...), even at the early stages of any type of control. Directingattention to Him (Self) we are sure that whatever practice we aredoing it will be succesfull in the end, since we are relying on themost powerfull ally we have.The same idea could apply when we are dealing with the tree ofthoughts, instead of focusing our attention on the peripheral leaves,we go for the roots, the I-Thought.Thanks Alan,Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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